Please explain real-world procedures behind this “ATC joke”
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One of the well-known kind of the "ATC jokes" (funny excerpts from real or invented communication between pilots and air traffic controllers) has recently caught my eye.
I can't seem to understand what actual procedures or rules does it refer (or allude) to:
Pilot: "Approach, Federated 303's with at 8000' for vectors ILS, full stop.
Approach: "Unable Federated 303. The ILS is out of service."
Pilot: "We'll take the VOR then."
Approach: "Sir, the VOR's in alarm right now. Standby."
Pilot: "OK, guess it'll have to be the ADF then."
Approach: "303, unable the ADF right now for traffic saturation."
Pilot: "OK, approach. State my intentions."
(src)
Could you please enlighten me on what does the last (highlighted) line is intended to mean and/or convey? I understand it's a word play on "state your intentions", but what exactly is it supposed to mean?
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One of the well-known kind of the "ATC jokes" (funny excerpts from real or invented communication between pilots and air traffic controllers) has recently caught my eye.
I can't seem to understand what actual procedures or rules does it refer (or allude) to:
Pilot: "Approach, Federated 303's with at 8000' for vectors ILS, full stop.
Approach: "Unable Federated 303. The ILS is out of service."
Pilot: "We'll take the VOR then."
Approach: "Sir, the VOR's in alarm right now. Standby."
Pilot: "OK, guess it'll have to be the ADF then."
Approach: "303, unable the ADF right now for traffic saturation."
Pilot: "OK, approach. State my intentions."
(src)
Could you please enlighten me on what does the last (highlighted) line is intended to mean and/or convey? I understand it's a word play on "state your intentions", but what exactly is it supposed to mean?
air-traffic-control humor
asked Dec 1 at 14:22
intelfx
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The lack of request for GPSS approach marks out just how old this joke is.
– Jamiec♦
Dec 2 at 9:29
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One of the well-known kind of the "ATC jokes" (funny excerpts from real or invented communication between pilots and air traffic controllers) has recently caught my eye.
I can't seem to understand what actual procedures or rules does it refer (or allude) to:
Pilot: "Approach, Federated 303's with at 8000' for vectors ILS, full stop.
Approach: "Unable Federated 303. The ILS is out of service."
Pilot: "We'll take the VOR then."
Approach: "Sir, the VOR's in alarm right now. Standby."
Pilot: "OK, guess it'll have to be the ADF then."
Approach: "303, unable the ADF right now for traffic saturation."
Pilot: "OK, approach. State my intentions."
(src)
Could you please enlighten me on what does the last (highlighted) line is intended to mean and/or convey? I understand it's a word play on "state your intentions", but what exactly is it supposed to mean?
air-traffic-control humor
asked Dec 1 at 14:22
intelfx
1187
One of the well-known kind of the "ATC jokes" (funny excerpts from real or invented communication between pilots and air traffic controllers) has recently caught my eye.
I can't seem to understand what actual procedures or rules does it refer (or allude) to:
Pilot: "Approach, Federated 303's with at 8000' for vectors ILS, full stop.
Approach: "Unable Federated 303. The ILS is out of service."
Pilot: "We'll take the VOR then."
Approach: "Sir, the VOR's in alarm right now. Standby."
Pilot: "OK, guess it'll have to be the ADF then."
Approach: "303, unable the ADF right now for traffic saturation."
Pilot: "OK, approach. State my intentions."
(src)
Could you please enlighten me on what does the last (highlighted) line is intended to mean and/or convey? I understand it's a word play on "state your intentions", but what exactly is it supposed to mean?
air-traffic-control humor
air-traffic-control humor
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The lack of request for GPSS approach marks out just how old this joke is.
– Jamiec♦
Dec 2 at 9:29
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The lack of request for GPSS approach marks out just how old this joke is.
– Jamiec♦
Dec 2 at 9:29
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The lack of request for GPSS approach marks out just how old this joke is.
– Jamiec♦
Dec 2 at 9:29
The lack of request for GPSS approach marks out just how old this joke is.
– Jamiec♦
Dec 2 at 9:29
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As you commented, it's a play on "state [say] your intentions". However, the pilot has said his intentions several times and ATC rejected them each time, so he's turning it around by asking ATC to tell him what intentions won't be rejected.
The "intentions" in this case are the type of Instrument Approach Procedure (IAP) he wants to use. Typically there are several for each runway, for use by aircraft with different levels of equipment; ILS, VOR and ADF (actually NDB) are common options in order of decreasing desirability.
Depending on the weather, there may be two additional IAPs available at any airport which aren't usually charted: visual and contact. There's a possible second-level joke here in that ATC isn't allowed to offer a contact approach, but the pilot is allowed to request it--so if the pilot is asking ATC to tell him his intentions, then in the logic of the joke, ATC could tell him he's requesting that. OTOH, if the weather were such that a visual approach were available, ATC probably would have assigned it to him already without any requests.
answered Dec 1 at 14:55
Stephen Sprunk
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"VOR's in alarm" is that a permanent problem.
– user2617804
Dec 2 at 1:30
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@user2617804 I believe it means the VOR system is broken, and some monitoring system has detected that it is broken (raised an alarm saying it's broken). (Not a pilot or ATC)
– immibis
Dec 2 at 3:02
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It's an ironic word play on the common ATC request "state your intentions" when a follow-on action is at the pilot's discretion and ATC needs to know what the plan is.
Most large airport runways have several types of instrument approaches, the most precise being ILS, and down from there. It means they've gone down a list of approach options from most precise to least precise (ILS, VOR, ADF) and there aren't any more, so the pilot is saying what amounts to "I'm out of options, so tell me what to do next".
Although the specific phrases being used there are kind of non-sensical, as if written by a non-pilot, it conveys the gist of it for the purposes of the gag.
edited Dec 1 at 20:43
intelfx
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answered Dec 1 at 14:30
John K
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I understand it's a word play on "state your intentions", but what exactly is it supposed to mean? That the pilot asks/expects the ATC to tell them what to do because they've run out of options to consider?
– intelfx
Dec 1 at 14:31
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As you commented, it's a play on "state [say] your intentions". However, the pilot has said his intentions several times and ATC rejected them each time, so he's turning it around by asking ATC to tell him what intentions won't be rejected.
The "intentions" in this case are the type of Instrument Approach Procedure (IAP) he wants to use. Typically there are several for each runway, for use by aircraft with different levels of equipment; ILS, VOR and ADF (actually NDB) are common options in order of decreasing desirability.
Depending on the weather, there may be two additional IAPs available at any airport which aren't usually charted: visual and contact. There's a possible second-level joke here in that ATC isn't allowed to offer a contact approach, but the pilot is allowed to request it--so if the pilot is asking ATC to tell him his intentions, then in the logic of the joke, ATC could tell him he's requesting that. OTOH, if the weather were such that a visual approach were available, ATC probably would have assigned it to him already without any requests.
answered Dec 1 at 14:55
Stephen Sprunk
1,368112
"VOR's in alarm" is that a permanent problem.
– user2617804
Dec 2 at 1:30
1
@user2617804 I believe it means the VOR system is broken, and some monitoring system has detected that it is broken (raised an alarm saying it's broken). (Not a pilot or ATC)
– immibis
Dec 2 at 3:02
add a comment |
up vote
9
down vote
accepted
As you commented, it's a play on "state [say] your intentions". However, the pilot has said his intentions several times and ATC rejected them each time, so he's turning it around by asking ATC to tell him what intentions won't be rejected.
The "intentions" in this case are the type of Instrument Approach Procedure (IAP) he wants to use. Typically there are several for each runway, for use by aircraft with different levels of equipment; ILS, VOR and ADF (actually NDB) are common options in order of decreasing desirability.
Depending on the weather, there may be two additional IAPs available at any airport which aren't usually charted: visual and contact. There's a possible second-level joke here in that ATC isn't allowed to offer a contact approach, but the pilot is allowed to request it--so if the pilot is asking ATC to tell him his intentions, then in the logic of the joke, ATC could tell him he's requesting that. OTOH, if the weather were such that a visual approach were available, ATC probably would have assigned it to him already without any requests.
answered Dec 1 at 14:55
Stephen Sprunk
1,368112
"VOR's in alarm" is that a permanent problem.
– user2617804
Dec 2 at 1:30
1
@user2617804 I believe it means the VOR system is broken, and some monitoring system has detected that it is broken (raised an alarm saying it's broken). (Not a pilot or ATC)
– immibis
Dec 2 at 3:02
add a comment |
up vote
9
down vote
accepted
up vote
9
down vote
accepted
As you commented, it's a play on "state [say] your intentions". However, the pilot has said his intentions several times and ATC rejected them each time, so he's turning it around by asking ATC to tell him what intentions won't be rejected.
The "intentions" in this case are the type of Instrument Approach Procedure (IAP) he wants to use. Typically there are several for each runway, for use by aircraft with different levels of equipment; ILS, VOR and ADF (actually NDB) are common options in order of decreasing desirability.
Depending on the weather, there may be two additional IAPs available at any airport which aren't usually charted: visual and contact. There's a possible second-level joke here in that ATC isn't allowed to offer a contact approach, but the pilot is allowed to request it--so if the pilot is asking ATC to tell him his intentions, then in the logic of the joke, ATC could tell him he's requesting that. OTOH, if the weather were such that a visual approach were available, ATC probably would have assigned it to him already without any requests.
answered Dec 1 at 14:55
Stephen Sprunk
1,368112
As you commented, it's a play on "state [say] your intentions". However, the pilot has said his intentions several times and ATC rejected them each time, so he's turning it around by asking ATC to tell him what intentions won't be rejected.
The "intentions" in this case are the type of Instrument Approach Procedure (IAP) he wants to use. Typically there are several for each runway, for use by aircraft with different levels of equipment; ILS, VOR and ADF (actually NDB) are common options in order of decreasing desirability.
Depending on the weather, there may be two additional IAPs available at any airport which aren't usually charted: visual and contact. There's a possible second-level joke here in that ATC isn't allowed to offer a contact approach, but the pilot is allowed to request it--so if the pilot is asking ATC to tell him his intentions, then in the logic of the joke, ATC could tell him he's requesting that. OTOH, if the weather were such that a visual approach were available, ATC probably would have assigned it to him already without any requests.
answered Dec 1 at 14:55
Stephen Sprunk
1,368112
answered Dec 1 at 14:55
Stephen Sprunk
1,368112
answered Dec 1 at 14:55
Stephen Sprunk
1,368112
answered Dec 1 at 14:55
Stephen Sprunk
1,368112
1,368112
"VOR's in alarm" is that a permanent problem.
– user2617804
Dec 2 at 1:30
1
@user2617804 I believe it means the VOR system is broken, and some monitoring system has detected that it is broken (raised an alarm saying it's broken). (Not a pilot or ATC)
– immibis
Dec 2 at 3:02
add a comment |
"VOR's in alarm" is that a permanent problem.
– user2617804
Dec 2 at 1:30
1
@user2617804 I believe it means the VOR system is broken, and some monitoring system has detected that it is broken (raised an alarm saying it's broken). (Not a pilot or ATC)
– immibis
Dec 2 at 3:02
"VOR's in alarm" is that a permanent problem.
– user2617804
Dec 2 at 1:30
"VOR's in alarm" is that a permanent problem.
– user2617804
Dec 2 at 1:30
1
1
@user2617804 I believe it means the VOR system is broken, and some monitoring system has detected that it is broken (raised an alarm saying it's broken). (Not a pilot or ATC)
– immibis
Dec 2 at 3:02
@user2617804 I believe it means the VOR system is broken, and some monitoring system has detected that it is broken (raised an alarm saying it's broken). (Not a pilot or ATC)
– immibis
Dec 2 at 3:02
add a comment |
up vote
3
down vote
It's an ironic word play on the common ATC request "state your intentions" when a follow-on action is at the pilot's discretion and ATC needs to know what the plan is.
Most large airport runways have several types of instrument approaches, the most precise being ILS, and down from there. It means they've gone down a list of approach options from most precise to least precise (ILS, VOR, ADF) and there aren't any more, so the pilot is saying what amounts to "I'm out of options, so tell me what to do next".
Although the specific phrases being used there are kind of non-sensical, as if written by a non-pilot, it conveys the gist of it for the purposes of the gag.
edited Dec 1 at 20:43
intelfx
1187
answered Dec 1 at 14:30
John K
12.9k11440
I understand it's a word play on "state your intentions", but what exactly is it supposed to mean? That the pilot asks/expects the ATC to tell them what to do because they've run out of options to consider?
– intelfx
Dec 1 at 14:31
add a comment |
up vote
3
down vote
It's an ironic word play on the common ATC request "state your intentions" when a follow-on action is at the pilot's discretion and ATC needs to know what the plan is.
Most large airport runways have several types of instrument approaches, the most precise being ILS, and down from there. It means they've gone down a list of approach options from most precise to least precise (ILS, VOR, ADF) and there aren't any more, so the pilot is saying what amounts to "I'm out of options, so tell me what to do next".
Although the specific phrases being used there are kind of non-sensical, as if written by a non-pilot, it conveys the gist of it for the purposes of the gag.
edited Dec 1 at 20:43
intelfx
1187
answered Dec 1 at 14:30
John K
12.9k11440
I understand it's a word play on "state your intentions", but what exactly is it supposed to mean? That the pilot asks/expects the ATC to tell them what to do because they've run out of options to consider?
– intelfx
Dec 1 at 14:31
add a comment |
up vote
3
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up vote
3
down vote
It's an ironic word play on the common ATC request "state your intentions" when a follow-on action is at the pilot's discretion and ATC needs to know what the plan is.
Most large airport runways have several types of instrument approaches, the most precise being ILS, and down from there. It means they've gone down a list of approach options from most precise to least precise (ILS, VOR, ADF) and there aren't any more, so the pilot is saying what amounts to "I'm out of options, so tell me what to do next".
Although the specific phrases being used there are kind of non-sensical, as if written by a non-pilot, it conveys the gist of it for the purposes of the gag.
edited Dec 1 at 20:43
intelfx
1187
answered Dec 1 at 14:30
John K
12.9k11440
It's an ironic word play on the common ATC request "state your intentions" when a follow-on action is at the pilot's discretion and ATC needs to know what the plan is.
Most large airport runways have several types of instrument approaches, the most precise being ILS, and down from there. It means they've gone down a list of approach options from most precise to least precise (ILS, VOR, ADF) and there aren't any more, so the pilot is saying what amounts to "I'm out of options, so tell me what to do next".
Although the specific phrases being used there are kind of non-sensical, as if written by a non-pilot, it conveys the gist of it for the purposes of the gag.
edited Dec 1 at 20:43
intelfx
1187
answered Dec 1 at 14:30
John K
12.9k11440
edited Dec 1 at 20:43
intelfx
1187
edited Dec 1 at 20:43
intelfx
1187
edited Dec 1 at 20:43
intelfx
1187
1187
answered Dec 1 at 14:30
John K
12.9k11440
answered Dec 1 at 14:30
John K
12.9k11440
answered Dec 1 at 14:30
John K
12.9k11440
12.9k11440
I understand it's a word play on "state your intentions", but what exactly is it supposed to mean? That the pilot asks/expects the ATC to tell them what to do because they've run out of options to consider?
– intelfx
Dec 1 at 14:31
add a comment |
I understand it's a word play on "state your intentions", but what exactly is it supposed to mean? That the pilot asks/expects the ATC to tell them what to do because they've run out of options to consider?
– intelfx
Dec 1 at 14:31
I understand it's a word play on "state your intentions", but what exactly is it supposed to mean? That the pilot asks/expects the ATC to tell them what to do because they've run out of options to consider?
– intelfx
Dec 1 at 14:31
I understand it's a word play on "state your intentions", but what exactly is it supposed to mean? That the pilot asks/expects the ATC to tell them what to do because they've run out of options to consider?
– intelfx
Dec 1 at 14:31
add a comment |
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The lack of request for GPSS approach marks out just how old this joke is.
– Jamiec♦
Dec 2 at 9:29