Proof: $n^2 - 7$ is not divisble by 5
I tried to prove that $n^2 - 7$ is not divisible by $5$ via proof by contradiction. Does this look right?
Suppose $n^2 - 7$ is divisible by $5$. Then:
$n^2 - 7 = 5g$, $g in mathbb{Z}$.
$n^2 = 5g + 7$.
Consider the case where $n$ is even.
$(2x)^2 = 5g + 7$, $x in mathbb{Z}$.
$4x^2 = 5g + 7$.
$4s = 5g + 7$, $s = x^2, s in mathbb{Z}$ as integers are closed under multiplication.
$2s$ is even, and $5g + 7$ is odd if we consider that g is an even number. so we have a contradiction.
Consider the case where $n$ is odd.
$(2x + 1)^2 = 5g + 7$, $x in mathbb{Z}$
$4x^2 + 4x = 5g + 6$
$4x^2 + 4x = 5g + 6$
$4(x^2 + x) = 5g + 6$
$4j = 5g + 6$, $j = x^2 + x, j in mathbb{Z}$ as integers are closed under addition
$2d = 5g + 7$, $d = 2j; d in mathbb{Z}$ as integers are closed under multiplication
$2d$ is even, and $5g + 7$ is odd if we consider that g is an odd number. An even number cannot equal an odd number, so we have a contradiction.
As both cases have a contradiction, the original supposition is false, and $n^2 - 7$ is not divisible by $5$.
is my proof correct because I cannot prove that $5g + 6$ or $5g + 7$ are odd so I assumed that in the even case g is even and in the odd case g is odd
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I tried to prove that $n^2 - 7$ is not divisible by $5$ via proof by contradiction. Does this look right?
Suppose $n^2 - 7$ is divisible by $5$. Then:
$n^2 - 7 = 5g$, $g in mathbb{Z}$.
$n^2 = 5g + 7$.
Consider the case where $n$ is even.
$(2x)^2 = 5g + 7$, $x in mathbb{Z}$.
$4x^2 = 5g + 7$.
$4s = 5g + 7$, $s = x^2, s in mathbb{Z}$ as integers are closed under multiplication.
$2s$ is even, and $5g + 7$ is odd if we consider that g is an even number. so we have a contradiction.
Consider the case where $n$ is odd.
$(2x + 1)^2 = 5g + 7$, $x in mathbb{Z}$
$4x^2 + 4x = 5g + 6$
$4x^2 + 4x = 5g + 6$
$4(x^2 + x) = 5g + 6$
$4j = 5g + 6$, $j = x^2 + x, j in mathbb{Z}$ as integers are closed under addition
$2d = 5g + 7$, $d = 2j; d in mathbb{Z}$ as integers are closed under multiplication
$2d$ is even, and $5g + 7$ is odd if we consider that g is an odd number. An even number cannot equal an odd number, so we have a contradiction.
As both cases have a contradiction, the original supposition is false, and $n^2 - 7$ is not divisible by $5$.
is my proof correct because I cannot prove that $5g + 6$ or $5g + 7$ are odd so I assumed that in the even case g is even and in the odd case g is odd
proof-verification
You started by saying "Suppose $n^2- 2$ is divisible by 4". What about the other cases where $n^2- 2$ is not divisible by 4?
– user247327
Nov 24 at 13:00
sorry i meant Suppose $n^2−7$ is divisible by $5$
– Omaroo Baniessa
Nov 24 at 13:37
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I tried to prove that $n^2 - 7$ is not divisible by $5$ via proof by contradiction. Does this look right?
Suppose $n^2 - 7$ is divisible by $5$. Then:
$n^2 - 7 = 5g$, $g in mathbb{Z}$.
$n^2 = 5g + 7$.
Consider the case where $n$ is even.
$(2x)^2 = 5g + 7$, $x in mathbb{Z}$.
$4x^2 = 5g + 7$.
$4s = 5g + 7$, $s = x^2, s in mathbb{Z}$ as integers are closed under multiplication.
$2s$ is even, and $5g + 7$ is odd if we consider that g is an even number. so we have a contradiction.
Consider the case where $n$ is odd.
$(2x + 1)^2 = 5g + 7$, $x in mathbb{Z}$
$4x^2 + 4x = 5g + 6$
$4x^2 + 4x = 5g + 6$
$4(x^2 + x) = 5g + 6$
$4j = 5g + 6$, $j = x^2 + x, j in mathbb{Z}$ as integers are closed under addition
$2d = 5g + 7$, $d = 2j; d in mathbb{Z}$ as integers are closed under multiplication
$2d$ is even, and $5g + 7$ is odd if we consider that g is an odd number. An even number cannot equal an odd number, so we have a contradiction.
As both cases have a contradiction, the original supposition is false, and $n^2 - 7$ is not divisible by $5$.
is my proof correct because I cannot prove that $5g + 6$ or $5g + 7$ are odd so I assumed that in the even case g is even and in the odd case g is odd
proof-verification
I tried to prove that $n^2 - 7$ is not divisible by $5$ via proof by contradiction. Does this look right?
Suppose $n^2 - 7$ is divisible by $5$. Then:
$n^2 - 7 = 5g$, $g in mathbb{Z}$.
$n^2 = 5g + 7$.
Consider the case where $n$ is even.
$(2x)^2 = 5g + 7$, $x in mathbb{Z}$.
$4x^2 = 5g + 7$.
$4s = 5g + 7$, $s = x^2, s in mathbb{Z}$ as integers are closed under multiplication.
$2s$ is even, and $5g + 7$ is odd if we consider that g is an even number. so we have a contradiction.
Consider the case where $n$ is odd.
$(2x + 1)^2 = 5g + 7$, $x in mathbb{Z}$
$4x^2 + 4x = 5g + 6$
$4x^2 + 4x = 5g + 6$
$4(x^2 + x) = 5g + 6$
$4j = 5g + 6$, $j = x^2 + x, j in mathbb{Z}$ as integers are closed under addition
$2d = 5g + 7$, $d = 2j; d in mathbb{Z}$ as integers are closed under multiplication
$2d$ is even, and $5g + 7$ is odd if we consider that g is an odd number. An even number cannot equal an odd number, so we have a contradiction.
As both cases have a contradiction, the original supposition is false, and $n^2 - 7$ is not divisible by $5$.
is my proof correct because I cannot prove that $5g + 6$ or $5g + 7$ are odd so I assumed that in the even case g is even and in the odd case g is odd
proof-verification
proof-verification
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You started by saying "Suppose $n^2- 2$ is divisible by 4". What about the other cases where $n^2- 2$ is not divisible by 4?
– user247327
Nov 24 at 13:00
sorry i meant Suppose $n^2−7$ is divisible by $5$
– Omaroo Baniessa
Nov 24 at 13:37
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You started by saying "Suppose $n^2- 2$ is divisible by 4". What about the other cases where $n^2- 2$ is not divisible by 4?
– user247327
Nov 24 at 13:00
sorry i meant Suppose $n^2−7$ is divisible by $5$
– Omaroo Baniessa
Nov 24 at 13:37
You started by saying "Suppose $n^2- 2$ is divisible by 4". What about the other cases where $n^2- 2$ is not divisible by 4?
– user247327
Nov 24 at 13:00
You started by saying "Suppose $n^2- 2$ is divisible by 4". What about the other cases where $n^2- 2$ is not divisible by 4?
– user247327
Nov 24 at 13:00
sorry i meant Suppose $n^2−7$ is divisible by $5$
– Omaroo Baniessa
Nov 24 at 13:37
sorry i meant Suppose $n^2−7$ is divisible by $5$
– Omaroo Baniessa
Nov 24 at 13:37
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It seems rather overcomplicated. Instead, simply note that the question is equivalent to solving $n^2 - 2 = 0$ in $mathbb{Z}/5mathbb{Z}$. But there are only five values in $mathbb{Z}/5mathbb{Z}$, and we can just try them all to see if they're solutions:
begin{align*}
0^2 - 2 &= -2 neq 0\
1^2 - 2 &= -1 neq 0\
2^2 - 2 &= 2 neq 0\
(-1)^2-2 &= -1 neq 0\
(-2)^2-2 &= 2 neq 0.
end{align*}
None of them are solutions, so there are no solutions to the original problem.
sorry i meant Suppose n2−7 is divisible by 5
– Omaroo Baniessa
Nov 24 at 18:35
I know, and the above precisely proves that there is no $n$ with that property.
– user3482749
Nov 24 at 18:37
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Suppose $n^2-7$ is divisible by $5$ i.e. $n^2equiv 7 mod 5implies n^2equiv 2mod 5$. We can check $:forall ninmathbb{Z}quad n^2equivbegin{cases}0 &mod5\1 &mod5\4 &mod5end{cases} $. So $n^2-7$ is not divisible by $5$.
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Here is an alternate approach. $n^2-7$ is divisible by 5 only if the last digit of $n^2-7$ is either 0 or 5. This means the last digit of $n^2$ is either 7 or 2. Now can you complete the proof?
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Your proof is incorrect. Note $,n^2 = 5g+7 ,Rightarrowbmod 2!: nequiv g+1,$ so $n$ and $g$ have opposite parity. But your proof only considers the cases when they have equal parity.
Instead note $bmod 5!: nequiv 0,pm1,pm2,Rightarrow,n^2equiv 0,1,4 notequiv 7$
Alternatively $,n^2equiv 7equiv 2,Rightarrow, n^4equiv 2^2notequiv 1,$ contra little Fermat.
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Want to show $n^2-7 neq 0 (mod 5)$ which is the same as show $n^2-2 neq 0 (mod5)$. Here $0^2=0 (mod5), 1^2=1 (mod5), 2^2=4 (mod5), 3^2=4 (mod5), 4^2=1 (mod5)$.
Then, that means $n^2=1, 4 (mod5)$. SO if it is $1$, then $n^2-2=-1(mod5)$ and if $n^2=4$, $n^2-1=3(mod5)$. In all cases, $n^2-2neq 0(mod5)$.
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If possible let $ n^2-7$ is divisible by $5$, then we have
$n^2-7=5k, k in mathbb{Z}, ........(1)$.
Now let $ k in mathbb{Z}^{+}$, then for $N ( neq 7) in mathbb{N}$, we have $k=n=N$ ( without loss of generality)
Then from $(1)$, we get
$ N^2-7=5N \ Rightarrow N^2-5N-7=0 \ Rightarrow N=7, -2$
But as $N neq 7$, we must have $ N=-2 in mathbb{N}$=set of natural number, which is impossible.
Thus $n^2-7$ is not divisible by $5$.
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It seems rather overcomplicated. Instead, simply note that the question is equivalent to solving $n^2 - 2 = 0$ in $mathbb{Z}/5mathbb{Z}$. But there are only five values in $mathbb{Z}/5mathbb{Z}$, and we can just try them all to see if they're solutions:
begin{align*}
0^2 - 2 &= -2 neq 0\
1^2 - 2 &= -1 neq 0\
2^2 - 2 &= 2 neq 0\
(-1)^2-2 &= -1 neq 0\
(-2)^2-2 &= 2 neq 0.
end{align*}
None of them are solutions, so there are no solutions to the original problem.
sorry i meant Suppose n2−7 is divisible by 5
– Omaroo Baniessa
Nov 24 at 18:35
I know, and the above precisely proves that there is no $n$ with that property.
– user3482749
Nov 24 at 18:37
add a comment |
It seems rather overcomplicated. Instead, simply note that the question is equivalent to solving $n^2 - 2 = 0$ in $mathbb{Z}/5mathbb{Z}$. But there are only five values in $mathbb{Z}/5mathbb{Z}$, and we can just try them all to see if they're solutions:
begin{align*}
0^2 - 2 &= -2 neq 0\
1^2 - 2 &= -1 neq 0\
2^2 - 2 &= 2 neq 0\
(-1)^2-2 &= -1 neq 0\
(-2)^2-2 &= 2 neq 0.
end{align*}
None of them are solutions, so there are no solutions to the original problem.
sorry i meant Suppose n2−7 is divisible by 5
– Omaroo Baniessa
Nov 24 at 18:35
I know, and the above precisely proves that there is no $n$ with that property.
– user3482749
Nov 24 at 18:37
add a comment |
It seems rather overcomplicated. Instead, simply note that the question is equivalent to solving $n^2 - 2 = 0$ in $mathbb{Z}/5mathbb{Z}$. But there are only five values in $mathbb{Z}/5mathbb{Z}$, and we can just try them all to see if they're solutions:
begin{align*}
0^2 - 2 &= -2 neq 0\
1^2 - 2 &= -1 neq 0\
2^2 - 2 &= 2 neq 0\
(-1)^2-2 &= -1 neq 0\
(-2)^2-2 &= 2 neq 0.
end{align*}
None of them are solutions, so there are no solutions to the original problem.
It seems rather overcomplicated. Instead, simply note that the question is equivalent to solving $n^2 - 2 = 0$ in $mathbb{Z}/5mathbb{Z}$. But there are only five values in $mathbb{Z}/5mathbb{Z}$, and we can just try them all to see if they're solutions:
begin{align*}
0^2 - 2 &= -2 neq 0\
1^2 - 2 &= -1 neq 0\
2^2 - 2 &= 2 neq 0\
(-1)^2-2 &= -1 neq 0\
(-2)^2-2 &= 2 neq 0.
end{align*}
None of them are solutions, so there are no solutions to the original problem.
answered Nov 24 at 13:03
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sorry i meant Suppose n2−7 is divisible by 5
– Omaroo Baniessa
Nov 24 at 18:35
I know, and the above precisely proves that there is no $n$ with that property.
– user3482749
Nov 24 at 18:37
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sorry i meant Suppose n2−7 is divisible by 5
– Omaroo Baniessa
Nov 24 at 18:35
I know, and the above precisely proves that there is no $n$ with that property.
– user3482749
Nov 24 at 18:37
sorry i meant Suppose n2−7 is divisible by 5
– Omaroo Baniessa
Nov 24 at 18:35
sorry i meant Suppose n2−7 is divisible by 5
– Omaroo Baniessa
Nov 24 at 18:35
I know, and the above precisely proves that there is no $n$ with that property.
– user3482749
Nov 24 at 18:37
I know, and the above precisely proves that there is no $n$ with that property.
– user3482749
Nov 24 at 18:37
add a comment |
Suppose $n^2-7$ is divisible by $5$ i.e. $n^2equiv 7 mod 5implies n^2equiv 2mod 5$. We can check $:forall ninmathbb{Z}quad n^2equivbegin{cases}0 &mod5\1 &mod5\4 &mod5end{cases} $. So $n^2-7$ is not divisible by $5$.
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Suppose $n^2-7$ is divisible by $5$ i.e. $n^2equiv 7 mod 5implies n^2equiv 2mod 5$. We can check $:forall ninmathbb{Z}quad n^2equivbegin{cases}0 &mod5\1 &mod5\4 &mod5end{cases} $. So $n^2-7$ is not divisible by $5$.
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Suppose $n^2-7$ is divisible by $5$ i.e. $n^2equiv 7 mod 5implies n^2equiv 2mod 5$. We can check $:forall ninmathbb{Z}quad n^2equivbegin{cases}0 &mod5\1 &mod5\4 &mod5end{cases} $. So $n^2-7$ is not divisible by $5$.
Suppose $n^2-7$ is divisible by $5$ i.e. $n^2equiv 7 mod 5implies n^2equiv 2mod 5$. We can check $:forall ninmathbb{Z}quad n^2equivbegin{cases}0 &mod5\1 &mod5\4 &mod5end{cases} $. So $n^2-7$ is not divisible by $5$.
answered Nov 24 at 13:07
Yadati Kiran
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Here is an alternate approach. $n^2-7$ is divisible by 5 only if the last digit of $n^2-7$ is either 0 or 5. This means the last digit of $n^2$ is either 7 or 2. Now can you complete the proof?
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Here is an alternate approach. $n^2-7$ is divisible by 5 only if the last digit of $n^2-7$ is either 0 or 5. This means the last digit of $n^2$ is either 7 or 2. Now can you complete the proof?
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Here is an alternate approach. $n^2-7$ is divisible by 5 only if the last digit of $n^2-7$ is either 0 or 5. This means the last digit of $n^2$ is either 7 or 2. Now can you complete the proof?
Here is an alternate approach. $n^2-7$ is divisible by 5 only if the last digit of $n^2-7$ is either 0 or 5. This means the last digit of $n^2$ is either 7 or 2. Now can you complete the proof?
answered Nov 24 at 13:06
Thomas Shelby
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Your proof is incorrect. Note $,n^2 = 5g+7 ,Rightarrowbmod 2!: nequiv g+1,$ so $n$ and $g$ have opposite parity. But your proof only considers the cases when they have equal parity.
Instead note $bmod 5!: nequiv 0,pm1,pm2,Rightarrow,n^2equiv 0,1,4 notequiv 7$
Alternatively $,n^2equiv 7equiv 2,Rightarrow, n^4equiv 2^2notequiv 1,$ contra little Fermat.
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Your proof is incorrect. Note $,n^2 = 5g+7 ,Rightarrowbmod 2!: nequiv g+1,$ so $n$ and $g$ have opposite parity. But your proof only considers the cases when they have equal parity.
Instead note $bmod 5!: nequiv 0,pm1,pm2,Rightarrow,n^2equiv 0,1,4 notequiv 7$
Alternatively $,n^2equiv 7equiv 2,Rightarrow, n^4equiv 2^2notequiv 1,$ contra little Fermat.
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Your proof is incorrect. Note $,n^2 = 5g+7 ,Rightarrowbmod 2!: nequiv g+1,$ so $n$ and $g$ have opposite parity. But your proof only considers the cases when they have equal parity.
Instead note $bmod 5!: nequiv 0,pm1,pm2,Rightarrow,n^2equiv 0,1,4 notequiv 7$
Alternatively $,n^2equiv 7equiv 2,Rightarrow, n^4equiv 2^2notequiv 1,$ contra little Fermat.
Your proof is incorrect. Note $,n^2 = 5g+7 ,Rightarrowbmod 2!: nequiv g+1,$ so $n$ and $g$ have opposite parity. But your proof only considers the cases when they have equal parity.
Instead note $bmod 5!: nequiv 0,pm1,pm2,Rightarrow,n^2equiv 0,1,4 notequiv 7$
Alternatively $,n^2equiv 7equiv 2,Rightarrow, n^4equiv 2^2notequiv 1,$ contra little Fermat.
answered Nov 24 at 14:28
Bill Dubuque
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Want to show $n^2-7 neq 0 (mod 5)$ which is the same as show $n^2-2 neq 0 (mod5)$. Here $0^2=0 (mod5), 1^2=1 (mod5), 2^2=4 (mod5), 3^2=4 (mod5), 4^2=1 (mod5)$.
Then, that means $n^2=1, 4 (mod5)$. SO if it is $1$, then $n^2-2=-1(mod5)$ and if $n^2=4$, $n^2-1=3(mod5)$. In all cases, $n^2-2neq 0(mod5)$.
add a comment |
Want to show $n^2-7 neq 0 (mod 5)$ which is the same as show $n^2-2 neq 0 (mod5)$. Here $0^2=0 (mod5), 1^2=1 (mod5), 2^2=4 (mod5), 3^2=4 (mod5), 4^2=1 (mod5)$.
Then, that means $n^2=1, 4 (mod5)$. SO if it is $1$, then $n^2-2=-1(mod5)$ and if $n^2=4$, $n^2-1=3(mod5)$. In all cases, $n^2-2neq 0(mod5)$.
add a comment |
Want to show $n^2-7 neq 0 (mod 5)$ which is the same as show $n^2-2 neq 0 (mod5)$. Here $0^2=0 (mod5), 1^2=1 (mod5), 2^2=4 (mod5), 3^2=4 (mod5), 4^2=1 (mod5)$.
Then, that means $n^2=1, 4 (mod5)$. SO if it is $1$, then $n^2-2=-1(mod5)$ and if $n^2=4$, $n^2-1=3(mod5)$. In all cases, $n^2-2neq 0(mod5)$.
Want to show $n^2-7 neq 0 (mod 5)$ which is the same as show $n^2-2 neq 0 (mod5)$. Here $0^2=0 (mod5), 1^2=1 (mod5), 2^2=4 (mod5), 3^2=4 (mod5), 4^2=1 (mod5)$.
Then, that means $n^2=1, 4 (mod5)$. SO if it is $1$, then $n^2-2=-1(mod5)$ and if $n^2=4$, $n^2-1=3(mod5)$. In all cases, $n^2-2neq 0(mod5)$.
answered Nov 24 at 13:07
mathnoob
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If possible let $ n^2-7$ is divisible by $5$, then we have
$n^2-7=5k, k in mathbb{Z}, ........(1)$.
Now let $ k in mathbb{Z}^{+}$, then for $N ( neq 7) in mathbb{N}$, we have $k=n=N$ ( without loss of generality)
Then from $(1)$, we get
$ N^2-7=5N \ Rightarrow N^2-5N-7=0 \ Rightarrow N=7, -2$
But as $N neq 7$, we must have $ N=-2 in mathbb{N}$=set of natural number, which is impossible.
Thus $n^2-7$ is not divisible by $5$.
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If possible let $ n^2-7$ is divisible by $5$, then we have
$n^2-7=5k, k in mathbb{Z}, ........(1)$.
Now let $ k in mathbb{Z}^{+}$, then for $N ( neq 7) in mathbb{N}$, we have $k=n=N$ ( without loss of generality)
Then from $(1)$, we get
$ N^2-7=5N \ Rightarrow N^2-5N-7=0 \ Rightarrow N=7, -2$
But as $N neq 7$, we must have $ N=-2 in mathbb{N}$=set of natural number, which is impossible.
Thus $n^2-7$ is not divisible by $5$.
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If possible let $ n^2-7$ is divisible by $5$, then we have
$n^2-7=5k, k in mathbb{Z}, ........(1)$.
Now let $ k in mathbb{Z}^{+}$, then for $N ( neq 7) in mathbb{N}$, we have $k=n=N$ ( without loss of generality)
Then from $(1)$, we get
$ N^2-7=5N \ Rightarrow N^2-5N-7=0 \ Rightarrow N=7, -2$
But as $N neq 7$, we must have $ N=-2 in mathbb{N}$=set of natural number, which is impossible.
Thus $n^2-7$ is not divisible by $5$.
If possible let $ n^2-7$ is divisible by $5$, then we have
$n^2-7=5k, k in mathbb{Z}, ........(1)$.
Now let $ k in mathbb{Z}^{+}$, then for $N ( neq 7) in mathbb{N}$, we have $k=n=N$ ( without loss of generality)
Then from $(1)$, we get
$ N^2-7=5N \ Rightarrow N^2-5N-7=0 \ Rightarrow N=7, -2$
But as $N neq 7$, we must have $ N=-2 in mathbb{N}$=set of natural number, which is impossible.
Thus $n^2-7$ is not divisible by $5$.
answered Nov 24 at 14:17
M. A. SARKAR
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You started by saying "Suppose $n^2- 2$ is divisible by 4". What about the other cases where $n^2- 2$ is not divisible by 4?
– user247327
Nov 24 at 13:00
sorry i meant Suppose $n^2−7$ is divisible by $5$
– Omaroo Baniessa
Nov 24 at 13:37