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Suppose that $A$ and $B$ are nonempty subsets of $mathbb{R}$, and that $f : A rightarrow B$ is a function satisfying $forall: a_1, a_2 in A,:a_1 leq a_2 implies f(a_1) leq f(a_2)$.



(Such a function is said to be weakly increasing.) Furthermore, suppose that $f$ is surjective



(i) Prove that if $M$ is a largest element of $A$, then $f(M)$ is a largest element of $B$.



(ii) Why is the assumption that $f$ is surjective necessary? Give an example of nonempty subsets $A$ and $B$
of $mathbb{R}$, a weakly increasing function $f : A rightarrow B$, and a largest element $M$ of $A$ such that $f(M)$ is not a
largest element of $B$.










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Suppose that $A$ and $B$ are nonempty subsets of $mathbb{R}$, and that $f : A rightarrow B$ is a function satisfying $forall: a_1, a_2 in A,:a_1 leq a_2 implies f(a_1) leq f(a_2)$.



(Such a function is said to be weakly increasing.) Furthermore, suppose that $f$ is surjective



(i) Prove that if $M$ is a largest element of $A$, then $f(M)$ is a largest element of $B$.



(ii) Why is the assumption that $f$ is surjective necessary? Give an example of nonempty subsets $A$ and $B$
of $mathbb{R}$, a weakly increasing function $f : A rightarrow B$, and a largest element $M$ of $A$ such that $f(M)$ is not a
largest element of $B$.










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Suppose that $A$ and $B$ are nonempty subsets of $mathbb{R}$, and that $f : A rightarrow B$ is a function satisfying $forall: a_1, a_2 in A,:a_1 leq a_2 implies f(a_1) leq f(a_2)$.



(Such a function is said to be weakly increasing.) Furthermore, suppose that $f$ is surjective



(i) Prove that if $M$ is a largest element of $A$, then $f(M)$ is a largest element of $B$.



(ii) Why is the assumption that $f$ is surjective necessary? Give an example of nonempty subsets $A$ and $B$
of $mathbb{R}$, a weakly increasing function $f : A rightarrow B$, and a largest element $M$ of $A$ such that $f(M)$ is not a
largest element of $B$.










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Suppose that $A$ and $B$ are nonempty subsets of $mathbb{R}$, and that $f : A rightarrow B$ is a function satisfying $forall: a_1, a_2 in A,:a_1 leq a_2 implies f(a_1) leq f(a_2)$.



(Such a function is said to be weakly increasing.) Furthermore, suppose that $f$ is surjective



(i) Prove that if $M$ is a largest element of $A$, then $f(M)$ is a largest element of $B$.



(ii) Why is the assumption that $f$ is surjective necessary? Give an example of nonempty subsets $A$ and $B$
of $mathbb{R}$, a weakly increasing function $f : A rightarrow B$, and a largest element $M$ of $A$ such that $f(M)$ is not a
largest element of $B$.







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For some basic information about writing mathematics at this site see, e.g., basic help on mathjax notation, mathjax tutorial and quick reference, main meta site math tutorial and equation editing how-to.
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Counter-example in (ii):
Let $A={0}$ and $B={0,1}$. Define $f:Arightarrow B$ by $f(0)=0$. Clearly, $A,B$ are non-empty subsets of $mathbb{R}$ and $f$ is "weaking increasing". Moreover $0$ is the largest element of $A$. However, $f(0)=0$ is not the largest element of $B$.



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To prove (i). Let $yin B$. Since $f$ is surjective, there exists $xin A$ such that $f(x)=y$. Now $xleq M$, so $y=f(x)leq f(M)$. This shows that $f(M)$ is the largest element in $B$.






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    Counter-example in (ii):
    Let $A={0}$ and $B={0,1}$. Define $f:Arightarrow B$ by $f(0)=0$. Clearly, $A,B$ are non-empty subsets of $mathbb{R}$ and $f$ is "weaking increasing". Moreover $0$ is the largest element of $A$. However, $f(0)=0$ is not the largest element of $B$.



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    To prove (i). Let $yin B$. Since $f$ is surjective, there exists $xin A$ such that $f(x)=y$. Now $xleq M$, so $y=f(x)leq f(M)$. This shows that $f(M)$ is the largest element in $B$.






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      Counter-example in (ii):
      Let $A={0}$ and $B={0,1}$. Define $f:Arightarrow B$ by $f(0)=0$. Clearly, $A,B$ are non-empty subsets of $mathbb{R}$ and $f$ is "weaking increasing". Moreover $0$ is the largest element of $A$. However, $f(0)=0$ is not the largest element of $B$.



      //////////////////////////////////



      To prove (i). Let $yin B$. Since $f$ is surjective, there exists $xin A$ such that $f(x)=y$. Now $xleq M$, so $y=f(x)leq f(M)$. This shows that $f(M)$ is the largest element in $B$.






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        Counter-example in (ii):
        Let $A={0}$ and $B={0,1}$. Define $f:Arightarrow B$ by $f(0)=0$. Clearly, $A,B$ are non-empty subsets of $mathbb{R}$ and $f$ is "weaking increasing". Moreover $0$ is the largest element of $A$. However, $f(0)=0$ is not the largest element of $B$.



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        To prove (i). Let $yin B$. Since $f$ is surjective, there exists $xin A$ such that $f(x)=y$. Now $xleq M$, so $y=f(x)leq f(M)$. This shows that $f(M)$ is the largest element in $B$.






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        Counter-example in (ii):
        Let $A={0}$ and $B={0,1}$. Define $f:Arightarrow B$ by $f(0)=0$. Clearly, $A,B$ are non-empty subsets of $mathbb{R}$ and $f$ is "weaking increasing". Moreover $0$ is the largest element of $A$. However, $f(0)=0$ is not the largest element of $B$.



        //////////////////////////////////



        To prove (i). Let $yin B$. Since $f$ is surjective, there exists $xin A$ such that $f(x)=y$. Now $xleq M$, so $y=f(x)leq f(M)$. This shows that $f(M)$ is the largest element in $B$.







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