Number of urns with more than K balls inside
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I have a probability problem that I have simplified down to the following:
Given M balls that are thrown randomly (uniformly) into N urns, what is the expected number of urns that have more than K balls inside?
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I have a probability problem that I have simplified down to the following:
Given M balls that are thrown randomly (uniformly) into N urns, what is the expected number of urns that have more than K balls inside?
probability balls-in-bins
What type of uniformity? Equally? Normal Distribution?
– IronEagle
Nov 22 at 18:29
Equally, so each urn has a 1/N probability
– Jason
Nov 22 at 18:38
Try the method in math.stackexchange.com/questions/119076/…
– IronEagle
Nov 22 at 18:49
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I have a probability problem that I have simplified down to the following:
Given M balls that are thrown randomly (uniformly) into N urns, what is the expected number of urns that have more than K balls inside?
probability balls-in-bins
I have a probability problem that I have simplified down to the following:
Given M balls that are thrown randomly (uniformly) into N urns, what is the expected number of urns that have more than K balls inside?
probability balls-in-bins
probability balls-in-bins
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What type of uniformity? Equally? Normal Distribution?
– IronEagle
Nov 22 at 18:29
Equally, so each urn has a 1/N probability
– Jason
Nov 22 at 18:38
Try the method in math.stackexchange.com/questions/119076/…
– IronEagle
Nov 22 at 18:49
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What type of uniformity? Equally? Normal Distribution?
– IronEagle
Nov 22 at 18:29
Equally, so each urn has a 1/N probability
– Jason
Nov 22 at 18:38
Try the method in math.stackexchange.com/questions/119076/…
– IronEagle
Nov 22 at 18:49
What type of uniformity? Equally? Normal Distribution?
– IronEagle
Nov 22 at 18:29
What type of uniformity? Equally? Normal Distribution?
– IronEagle
Nov 22 at 18:29
Equally, so each urn has a 1/N probability
– Jason
Nov 22 at 18:38
Equally, so each urn has a 1/N probability
– Jason
Nov 22 at 18:38
Try the method in math.stackexchange.com/questions/119076/…
– IronEagle
Nov 22 at 18:49
Try the method in math.stackexchange.com/questions/119076/…
– IronEagle
Nov 22 at 18:49
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Starting with the combinatorial class of sets with size more than $K$
marked we find
$$deftextsc#1{dosc#1csod}
defdosc#1#2csod{{rm #1{small #2}}}
textsc{SEQ}_{=N}(textsc{SET}_{le K}(mathcal{Z})
+mathcal{U} times textsc{SET}_{gt K}(mathcal{Z}))$$
and build the generating function
$$G(z, u) =
left(u exp(z) + (1-u) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)^N.$$
The expectation is then given by
$$frac{1}{N^M} M! [z^M]
left. frac{partial}{partial u} G(z, u) right|_{u=1}
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
left.
left(u exp(z) +
(1-u) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)^{N-1}
left(exp(z) - sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)
right|_{u=1}
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
exp((N-1)z)
left(exp(z) - sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
left(exp(Nz) - exp((N-1)z) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right).$$
Simplifying,
$$N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!} exp((N-1)z)
\ = N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M!
sum_{q=0}^K [z^{M-q}] frac{1}{q!} exp((N-1)z).$$
Here we may suppose that $Mgt K$ because we get zero by inspection
otherwise. We thus have
$$N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M!
sum_{q=0}^K frac{1}{q!} frac{(N-1)^{M-q}}{(M-q)!}$$
or
$$bbox[5px,border:2px solid #00A000]{
N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}}
sum_{q=0}^K {Mchoose q} (N-1)^{M-q}.}$$
We can verify this formula by enumeration, which is
shown below.
with(combinat);
ENUMX :=
proc(N, M, K)
option remember;
local res, part, psize, mset, adm;
res := 0;
part := firstpart(M);
while type(part, `list`) do
psize := nops(part);
mset := convert(part, `multiset`);
adm :=
nops(select(ent -> ent > K, part));
res := res + adm * binomial(N, psize) *
M!/mul(p!, p in part) *
psize!/mul(p[2]!, p in mset);
part := nextpart(part);
od;
res/N^M;
end;
X := (N, M, K)
-> N - 1/N^(M-1)
*add(binomial(M,q)*(N-1)^(M-q), q=0..K);
could please expand the starting points about sets considered, thanks
– G Cab
Nov 22 at 22:13
This is from page 100, II.2. "Admissible labelled constructions" of Analytic Combinatorics by Flajolet & Sedgewick, table is on page 104. Distributing balls into $N$ urns is the same as partitioning the $M$ balls into $N$ sets, possibly empty.
– Marko Riedel
Nov 23 at 15:24
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1
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Extending the method given by user Henry in 119076, the probability that each urn has more than $K$ balls inside is
$1-sum_{i=0}^{K}frac{M^{i}(N-1)^{M-i}}{N^{M}}$
which means that the number of bins that have more than K balls inside would be $N$ times the probability for a single urn, or
$N(1-sum_{i=0}^{K}frac{M^{i}(N-1)^{M-i}}{N^{M}})$
Basically, you calculate the probability that an urn has of having 0, 1, 2, ... K balls inside, and subtract that probability from 1.
Thank you for the help. I believe the inside of the sum should be a term from the binomial distribution. What you have seems to work for the first 2 values of i but not afterwards.
– Jason
Nov 22 at 21:19
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Starting with the combinatorial class of sets with size more than $K$
marked we find
$$deftextsc#1{dosc#1csod}
defdosc#1#2csod{{rm #1{small #2}}}
textsc{SEQ}_{=N}(textsc{SET}_{le K}(mathcal{Z})
+mathcal{U} times textsc{SET}_{gt K}(mathcal{Z}))$$
and build the generating function
$$G(z, u) =
left(u exp(z) + (1-u) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)^N.$$
The expectation is then given by
$$frac{1}{N^M} M! [z^M]
left. frac{partial}{partial u} G(z, u) right|_{u=1}
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
left.
left(u exp(z) +
(1-u) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)^{N-1}
left(exp(z) - sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)
right|_{u=1}
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
exp((N-1)z)
left(exp(z) - sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
left(exp(Nz) - exp((N-1)z) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right).$$
Simplifying,
$$N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!} exp((N-1)z)
\ = N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M!
sum_{q=0}^K [z^{M-q}] frac{1}{q!} exp((N-1)z).$$
Here we may suppose that $Mgt K$ because we get zero by inspection
otherwise. We thus have
$$N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M!
sum_{q=0}^K frac{1}{q!} frac{(N-1)^{M-q}}{(M-q)!}$$
or
$$bbox[5px,border:2px solid #00A000]{
N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}}
sum_{q=0}^K {Mchoose q} (N-1)^{M-q}.}$$
We can verify this formula by enumeration, which is
shown below.
with(combinat);
ENUMX :=
proc(N, M, K)
option remember;
local res, part, psize, mset, adm;
res := 0;
part := firstpart(M);
while type(part, `list`) do
psize := nops(part);
mset := convert(part, `multiset`);
adm :=
nops(select(ent -> ent > K, part));
res := res + adm * binomial(N, psize) *
M!/mul(p!, p in part) *
psize!/mul(p[2]!, p in mset);
part := nextpart(part);
od;
res/N^M;
end;
X := (N, M, K)
-> N - 1/N^(M-1)
*add(binomial(M,q)*(N-1)^(M-q), q=0..K);
could please expand the starting points about sets considered, thanks
– G Cab
Nov 22 at 22:13
This is from page 100, II.2. "Admissible labelled constructions" of Analytic Combinatorics by Flajolet & Sedgewick, table is on page 104. Distributing balls into $N$ urns is the same as partitioning the $M$ balls into $N$ sets, possibly empty.
– Marko Riedel
Nov 23 at 15:24
add a comment |
up vote
2
down vote
Starting with the combinatorial class of sets with size more than $K$
marked we find
$$deftextsc#1{dosc#1csod}
defdosc#1#2csod{{rm #1{small #2}}}
textsc{SEQ}_{=N}(textsc{SET}_{le K}(mathcal{Z})
+mathcal{U} times textsc{SET}_{gt K}(mathcal{Z}))$$
and build the generating function
$$G(z, u) =
left(u exp(z) + (1-u) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)^N.$$
The expectation is then given by
$$frac{1}{N^M} M! [z^M]
left. frac{partial}{partial u} G(z, u) right|_{u=1}
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
left.
left(u exp(z) +
(1-u) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)^{N-1}
left(exp(z) - sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)
right|_{u=1}
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
exp((N-1)z)
left(exp(z) - sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
left(exp(Nz) - exp((N-1)z) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right).$$
Simplifying,
$$N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!} exp((N-1)z)
\ = N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M!
sum_{q=0}^K [z^{M-q}] frac{1}{q!} exp((N-1)z).$$
Here we may suppose that $Mgt K$ because we get zero by inspection
otherwise. We thus have
$$N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M!
sum_{q=0}^K frac{1}{q!} frac{(N-1)^{M-q}}{(M-q)!}$$
or
$$bbox[5px,border:2px solid #00A000]{
N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}}
sum_{q=0}^K {Mchoose q} (N-1)^{M-q}.}$$
We can verify this formula by enumeration, which is
shown below.
with(combinat);
ENUMX :=
proc(N, M, K)
option remember;
local res, part, psize, mset, adm;
res := 0;
part := firstpart(M);
while type(part, `list`) do
psize := nops(part);
mset := convert(part, `multiset`);
adm :=
nops(select(ent -> ent > K, part));
res := res + adm * binomial(N, psize) *
M!/mul(p!, p in part) *
psize!/mul(p[2]!, p in mset);
part := nextpart(part);
od;
res/N^M;
end;
X := (N, M, K)
-> N - 1/N^(M-1)
*add(binomial(M,q)*(N-1)^(M-q), q=0..K);
could please expand the starting points about sets considered, thanks
– G Cab
Nov 22 at 22:13
This is from page 100, II.2. "Admissible labelled constructions" of Analytic Combinatorics by Flajolet & Sedgewick, table is on page 104. Distributing balls into $N$ urns is the same as partitioning the $M$ balls into $N$ sets, possibly empty.
– Marko Riedel
Nov 23 at 15:24
add a comment |
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
Starting with the combinatorial class of sets with size more than $K$
marked we find
$$deftextsc#1{dosc#1csod}
defdosc#1#2csod{{rm #1{small #2}}}
textsc{SEQ}_{=N}(textsc{SET}_{le K}(mathcal{Z})
+mathcal{U} times textsc{SET}_{gt K}(mathcal{Z}))$$
and build the generating function
$$G(z, u) =
left(u exp(z) + (1-u) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)^N.$$
The expectation is then given by
$$frac{1}{N^M} M! [z^M]
left. frac{partial}{partial u} G(z, u) right|_{u=1}
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
left.
left(u exp(z) +
(1-u) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)^{N-1}
left(exp(z) - sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)
right|_{u=1}
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
exp((N-1)z)
left(exp(z) - sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
left(exp(Nz) - exp((N-1)z) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right).$$
Simplifying,
$$N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!} exp((N-1)z)
\ = N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M!
sum_{q=0}^K [z^{M-q}] frac{1}{q!} exp((N-1)z).$$
Here we may suppose that $Mgt K$ because we get zero by inspection
otherwise. We thus have
$$N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M!
sum_{q=0}^K frac{1}{q!} frac{(N-1)^{M-q}}{(M-q)!}$$
or
$$bbox[5px,border:2px solid #00A000]{
N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}}
sum_{q=0}^K {Mchoose q} (N-1)^{M-q}.}$$
We can verify this formula by enumeration, which is
shown below.
with(combinat);
ENUMX :=
proc(N, M, K)
option remember;
local res, part, psize, mset, adm;
res := 0;
part := firstpart(M);
while type(part, `list`) do
psize := nops(part);
mset := convert(part, `multiset`);
adm :=
nops(select(ent -> ent > K, part));
res := res + adm * binomial(N, psize) *
M!/mul(p!, p in part) *
psize!/mul(p[2]!, p in mset);
part := nextpart(part);
od;
res/N^M;
end;
X := (N, M, K)
-> N - 1/N^(M-1)
*add(binomial(M,q)*(N-1)^(M-q), q=0..K);
Starting with the combinatorial class of sets with size more than $K$
marked we find
$$deftextsc#1{dosc#1csod}
defdosc#1#2csod{{rm #1{small #2}}}
textsc{SEQ}_{=N}(textsc{SET}_{le K}(mathcal{Z})
+mathcal{U} times textsc{SET}_{gt K}(mathcal{Z}))$$
and build the generating function
$$G(z, u) =
left(u exp(z) + (1-u) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)^N.$$
The expectation is then given by
$$frac{1}{N^M} M! [z^M]
left. frac{partial}{partial u} G(z, u) right|_{u=1}
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
left.
left(u exp(z) +
(1-u) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)^{N-1}
left(exp(z) - sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)
right|_{u=1}
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
exp((N-1)z)
left(exp(z) - sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
left(exp(Nz) - exp((N-1)z) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right).$$
Simplifying,
$$N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!} exp((N-1)z)
\ = N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M!
sum_{q=0}^K [z^{M-q}] frac{1}{q!} exp((N-1)z).$$
Here we may suppose that $Mgt K$ because we get zero by inspection
otherwise. We thus have
$$N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M!
sum_{q=0}^K frac{1}{q!} frac{(N-1)^{M-q}}{(M-q)!}$$
or
$$bbox[5px,border:2px solid #00A000]{
N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}}
sum_{q=0}^K {Mchoose q} (N-1)^{M-q}.}$$
We can verify this formula by enumeration, which is
shown below.
with(combinat);
ENUMX :=
proc(N, M, K)
option remember;
local res, part, psize, mset, adm;
res := 0;
part := firstpart(M);
while type(part, `list`) do
psize := nops(part);
mset := convert(part, `multiset`);
adm :=
nops(select(ent -> ent > K, part));
res := res + adm * binomial(N, psize) *
M!/mul(p!, p in part) *
psize!/mul(p[2]!, p in mset);
part := nextpart(part);
od;
res/N^M;
end;
X := (N, M, K)
-> N - 1/N^(M-1)
*add(binomial(M,q)*(N-1)^(M-q), q=0..K);
edited Nov 22 at 20:59
answered Nov 22 at 20:22
Marko Riedel
38.6k339106
38.6k339106
could please expand the starting points about sets considered, thanks
– G Cab
Nov 22 at 22:13
This is from page 100, II.2. "Admissible labelled constructions" of Analytic Combinatorics by Flajolet & Sedgewick, table is on page 104. Distributing balls into $N$ urns is the same as partitioning the $M$ balls into $N$ sets, possibly empty.
– Marko Riedel
Nov 23 at 15:24
add a comment |
could please expand the starting points about sets considered, thanks
– G Cab
Nov 22 at 22:13
This is from page 100, II.2. "Admissible labelled constructions" of Analytic Combinatorics by Flajolet & Sedgewick, table is on page 104. Distributing balls into $N$ urns is the same as partitioning the $M$ balls into $N$ sets, possibly empty.
– Marko Riedel
Nov 23 at 15:24
could please expand the starting points about sets considered, thanks
– G Cab
Nov 22 at 22:13
could please expand the starting points about sets considered, thanks
– G Cab
Nov 22 at 22:13
This is from page 100, II.2. "Admissible labelled constructions" of Analytic Combinatorics by Flajolet & Sedgewick, table is on page 104. Distributing balls into $N$ urns is the same as partitioning the $M$ balls into $N$ sets, possibly empty.
– Marko Riedel
Nov 23 at 15:24
This is from page 100, II.2. "Admissible labelled constructions" of Analytic Combinatorics by Flajolet & Sedgewick, table is on page 104. Distributing balls into $N$ urns is the same as partitioning the $M$ balls into $N$ sets, possibly empty.
– Marko Riedel
Nov 23 at 15:24
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
Extending the method given by user Henry in 119076, the probability that each urn has more than $K$ balls inside is
$1-sum_{i=0}^{K}frac{M^{i}(N-1)^{M-i}}{N^{M}}$
which means that the number of bins that have more than K balls inside would be $N$ times the probability for a single urn, or
$N(1-sum_{i=0}^{K}frac{M^{i}(N-1)^{M-i}}{N^{M}})$
Basically, you calculate the probability that an urn has of having 0, 1, 2, ... K balls inside, and subtract that probability from 1.
Thank you for the help. I believe the inside of the sum should be a term from the binomial distribution. What you have seems to work for the first 2 values of i but not afterwards.
– Jason
Nov 22 at 21:19
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
Extending the method given by user Henry in 119076, the probability that each urn has more than $K$ balls inside is
$1-sum_{i=0}^{K}frac{M^{i}(N-1)^{M-i}}{N^{M}}$
which means that the number of bins that have more than K balls inside would be $N$ times the probability for a single urn, or
$N(1-sum_{i=0}^{K}frac{M^{i}(N-1)^{M-i}}{N^{M}})$
Basically, you calculate the probability that an urn has of having 0, 1, 2, ... K balls inside, and subtract that probability from 1.
Thank you for the help. I believe the inside of the sum should be a term from the binomial distribution. What you have seems to work for the first 2 values of i but not afterwards.
– Jason
Nov 22 at 21:19
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
Extending the method given by user Henry in 119076, the probability that each urn has more than $K$ balls inside is
$1-sum_{i=0}^{K}frac{M^{i}(N-1)^{M-i}}{N^{M}}$
which means that the number of bins that have more than K balls inside would be $N$ times the probability for a single urn, or
$N(1-sum_{i=0}^{K}frac{M^{i}(N-1)^{M-i}}{N^{M}})$
Basically, you calculate the probability that an urn has of having 0, 1, 2, ... K balls inside, and subtract that probability from 1.
Extending the method given by user Henry in 119076, the probability that each urn has more than $K$ balls inside is
$1-sum_{i=0}^{K}frac{M^{i}(N-1)^{M-i}}{N^{M}}$
which means that the number of bins that have more than K balls inside would be $N$ times the probability for a single urn, or
$N(1-sum_{i=0}^{K}frac{M^{i}(N-1)^{M-i}}{N^{M}})$
Basically, you calculate the probability that an urn has of having 0, 1, 2, ... K balls inside, and subtract that probability from 1.
answered Nov 22 at 19:09
IronEagle
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Thank you for the help. I believe the inside of the sum should be a term from the binomial distribution. What you have seems to work for the first 2 values of i but not afterwards.
– Jason
Nov 22 at 21:19
add a comment |
Thank you for the help. I believe the inside of the sum should be a term from the binomial distribution. What you have seems to work for the first 2 values of i but not afterwards.
– Jason
Nov 22 at 21:19
Thank you for the help. I believe the inside of the sum should be a term from the binomial distribution. What you have seems to work for the first 2 values of i but not afterwards.
– Jason
Nov 22 at 21:19
Thank you for the help. I believe the inside of the sum should be a term from the binomial distribution. What you have seems to work for the first 2 values of i but not afterwards.
– Jason
Nov 22 at 21:19
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What type of uniformity? Equally? Normal Distribution?
– IronEagle
Nov 22 at 18:29
Equally, so each urn has a 1/N probability
– Jason
Nov 22 at 18:38
Try the method in math.stackexchange.com/questions/119076/…
– IronEagle
Nov 22 at 18:49