When are quotients of homeomorphic spaces homeomorphic?











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Let $X$ and $Y$ be homeomorphic topological spaces, connected by the homeomorphism $f : X rightarrow Y$. Let $sim$ be an equivalence relation on $X$ and $approx$ be an equivalence relation on $Y$.



I would think that there would be some structure that I could place on the equivalence relations $sim$ and $approx$ that would allow me to construct, using the homeomorphism $f$, a homeomorphism $bar{f}$ from $X/sim$ to $Y/approx$. I suspect that that relationship is $a sim b leftrightarrow f(a) approx f(b), forall a, b in X$.



That is, I suspect that "equivalent" quotients of homeomorphic spaces are homeomorphic, but I don't know exactly how to formulate this or prove it.



(This result, by the way, to me, seems to hinge on the existence of a "reverse" universal quotient property: juts as functions $f : X/sim rightarrow Y$ correspond uniquely to a subset of functions $f : X rightarrow Y$, I suspect that functions $f : X rightarrow Y/approx$ correspond uniquely to some subset of functions $f : X rightarrow Y$, but I don't know how this works either.)










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  • There is no such "reverse universal property". For instance you have many maps $S^1to S^1$ that don't factor through the quotient map $mathbb{R}to S^1$
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  • Hmm, interesting. Is there a familiar subset of maps that do factor through in this fashion? I wonder if the question I'm asking here is best answered topologically or categorically.
    – Billy Smith
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  • In the specific case of $mathbb{R}to S^1$ the maps $Xto S^1$ that factor through it are precisely the nullhomotopic maps if $X$ is connected and locally path-connected. I don't know if there's a criterion for general quotient maps, but I don't think there is.
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Let $X$ and $Y$ be homeomorphic topological spaces, connected by the homeomorphism $f : X rightarrow Y$. Let $sim$ be an equivalence relation on $X$ and $approx$ be an equivalence relation on $Y$.



I would think that there would be some structure that I could place on the equivalence relations $sim$ and $approx$ that would allow me to construct, using the homeomorphism $f$, a homeomorphism $bar{f}$ from $X/sim$ to $Y/approx$. I suspect that that relationship is $a sim b leftrightarrow f(a) approx f(b), forall a, b in X$.



That is, I suspect that "equivalent" quotients of homeomorphic spaces are homeomorphic, but I don't know exactly how to formulate this or prove it.



(This result, by the way, to me, seems to hinge on the existence of a "reverse" universal quotient property: juts as functions $f : X/sim rightarrow Y$ correspond uniquely to a subset of functions $f : X rightarrow Y$, I suspect that functions $f : X rightarrow Y/approx$ correspond uniquely to some subset of functions $f : X rightarrow Y$, but I don't know how this works either.)










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  • There is no such "reverse universal property". For instance you have many maps $S^1to S^1$ that don't factor through the quotient map $mathbb{R}to S^1$
    – Max
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  • Hmm, interesting. Is there a familiar subset of maps that do factor through in this fashion? I wonder if the question I'm asking here is best answered topologically or categorically.
    – Billy Smith
    3 hours ago












  • In the specific case of $mathbb{R}to S^1$ the maps $Xto S^1$ that factor through it are precisely the nullhomotopic maps if $X$ is connected and locally path-connected. I don't know if there's a criterion for general quotient maps, but I don't think there is.
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    3 hours ago













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Let $X$ and $Y$ be homeomorphic topological spaces, connected by the homeomorphism $f : X rightarrow Y$. Let $sim$ be an equivalence relation on $X$ and $approx$ be an equivalence relation on $Y$.



I would think that there would be some structure that I could place on the equivalence relations $sim$ and $approx$ that would allow me to construct, using the homeomorphism $f$, a homeomorphism $bar{f}$ from $X/sim$ to $Y/approx$. I suspect that that relationship is $a sim b leftrightarrow f(a) approx f(b), forall a, b in X$.



That is, I suspect that "equivalent" quotients of homeomorphic spaces are homeomorphic, but I don't know exactly how to formulate this or prove it.



(This result, by the way, to me, seems to hinge on the existence of a "reverse" universal quotient property: juts as functions $f : X/sim rightarrow Y$ correspond uniquely to a subset of functions $f : X rightarrow Y$, I suspect that functions $f : X rightarrow Y/approx$ correspond uniquely to some subset of functions $f : X rightarrow Y$, but I don't know how this works either.)










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Let $X$ and $Y$ be homeomorphic topological spaces, connected by the homeomorphism $f : X rightarrow Y$. Let $sim$ be an equivalence relation on $X$ and $approx$ be an equivalence relation on $Y$.



I would think that there would be some structure that I could place on the equivalence relations $sim$ and $approx$ that would allow me to construct, using the homeomorphism $f$, a homeomorphism $bar{f}$ from $X/sim$ to $Y/approx$. I suspect that that relationship is $a sim b leftrightarrow f(a) approx f(b), forall a, b in X$.



That is, I suspect that "equivalent" quotients of homeomorphic spaces are homeomorphic, but I don't know exactly how to formulate this or prove it.



(This result, by the way, to me, seems to hinge on the existence of a "reverse" universal quotient property: juts as functions $f : X/sim rightarrow Y$ correspond uniquely to a subset of functions $f : X rightarrow Y$, I suspect that functions $f : X rightarrow Y/approx$ correspond uniquely to some subset of functions $f : X rightarrow Y$, but I don't know how this works either.)







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  • There is no such "reverse universal property". For instance you have many maps $S^1to S^1$ that don't factor through the quotient map $mathbb{R}to S^1$
    – Max
    5 hours ago










  • Hmm, interesting. Is there a familiar subset of maps that do factor through in this fashion? I wonder if the question I'm asking here is best answered topologically or categorically.
    – Billy Smith
    3 hours ago












  • In the specific case of $mathbb{R}to S^1$ the maps $Xto S^1$ that factor through it are precisely the nullhomotopic maps if $X$ is connected and locally path-connected. I don't know if there's a criterion for general quotient maps, but I don't think there is.
    – Max
    3 hours ago


















  • There is no such "reverse universal property". For instance you have many maps $S^1to S^1$ that don't factor through the quotient map $mathbb{R}to S^1$
    – Max
    5 hours ago










  • Hmm, interesting. Is there a familiar subset of maps that do factor through in this fashion? I wonder if the question I'm asking here is best answered topologically or categorically.
    – Billy Smith
    3 hours ago












  • In the specific case of $mathbb{R}to S^1$ the maps $Xto S^1$ that factor through it are precisely the nullhomotopic maps if $X$ is connected and locally path-connected. I don't know if there's a criterion for general quotient maps, but I don't think there is.
    – Max
    3 hours ago
















There is no such "reverse universal property". For instance you have many maps $S^1to S^1$ that don't factor through the quotient map $mathbb{R}to S^1$
– Max
5 hours ago




There is no such "reverse universal property". For instance you have many maps $S^1to S^1$ that don't factor through the quotient map $mathbb{R}to S^1$
– Max
5 hours ago












Hmm, interesting. Is there a familiar subset of maps that do factor through in this fashion? I wonder if the question I'm asking here is best answered topologically or categorically.
– Billy Smith
3 hours ago






Hmm, interesting. Is there a familiar subset of maps that do factor through in this fashion? I wonder if the question I'm asking here is best answered topologically or categorically.
– Billy Smith
3 hours ago














In the specific case of $mathbb{R}to S^1$ the maps $Xto S^1$ that factor through it are precisely the nullhomotopic maps if $X$ is connected and locally path-connected. I don't know if there's a criterion for general quotient maps, but I don't think there is.
– Max
3 hours ago




In the specific case of $mathbb{R}to S^1$ the maps $Xto S^1$ that factor through it are precisely the nullhomotopic maps if $X$ is connected and locally path-connected. I don't know if there's a criterion for general quotient maps, but I don't think there is.
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Your suspicion is correct. If $X$ and $Y$ are topological spaces with equivalence relations $sim$ and $approx$ and $f:Xto Y$ is a homeomorphism such that $xsim y$ if and only if $f(x)approx f(y)$, then $f$ passes to the quotient as $X/_sim cong Y/_approx$.



Proof goes roughly like this: define $widetilde{f}([x]_sim)doteq [f(x)]_approx$. We have that $widetilde{f}$ is well-defined and injective because of the condition relating $sim$ and $approx$, while surjectivity follows from the surjectivity of $f$. Continuity of $widetilde{f}$ and $widetilde{f}^{-1}$ follow from the universal property of the quotient topologies applied to the relations $widetilde{f}circpi_{sim}=pi_{approx}circ f$ and $widetilde{f}^{-1}circ pi_{approx}=pi_simcirc f^{-1}$ with the continuity of $f$ and $f^{-1}$.






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    I think you are correct. Here is a sketch of the argument:



    $phi:=pi_Ycirc f$ is a continuous surjection: $Xto Y/approx$ and it induces a bijection: $X^*=left { phi^{-1}([y]): [y]in Y/approx right }overset{overlinephi}{rightarrow} Y/approx , $ which is a homeomorphism if and only if $phi$ is a quotient map.



    As $phi $ is indeed a quotient map, the induced map is a homeomorphism. So, $X/sim$ and $Y/approx$ will be homoeomorphic if and only if $X^*$ and $X/sim$ are.



    This means that the map $[x]mapsto f^{-1}circ pi^{-1}_Y([y])$ must be a homeomorphism. That is, $f([x])mapsto pi^{-1}_Y([y])$ must be a homeomorphism.



    But the above map is well-defined if and only if $xsim x'Rightarrow f(x)approx f(x'),$ and in this case, it is obviously continuous, and it should be easy to check that it is bijective with continuous inverse.






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      Your suspicion is correct. If $X$ and $Y$ are topological spaces with equivalence relations $sim$ and $approx$ and $f:Xto Y$ is a homeomorphism such that $xsim y$ if and only if $f(x)approx f(y)$, then $f$ passes to the quotient as $X/_sim cong Y/_approx$.



      Proof goes roughly like this: define $widetilde{f}([x]_sim)doteq [f(x)]_approx$. We have that $widetilde{f}$ is well-defined and injective because of the condition relating $sim$ and $approx$, while surjectivity follows from the surjectivity of $f$. Continuity of $widetilde{f}$ and $widetilde{f}^{-1}$ follow from the universal property of the quotient topologies applied to the relations $widetilde{f}circpi_{sim}=pi_{approx}circ f$ and $widetilde{f}^{-1}circ pi_{approx}=pi_simcirc f^{-1}$ with the continuity of $f$ and $f^{-1}$.






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        Your suspicion is correct. If $X$ and $Y$ are topological spaces with equivalence relations $sim$ and $approx$ and $f:Xto Y$ is a homeomorphism such that $xsim y$ if and only if $f(x)approx f(y)$, then $f$ passes to the quotient as $X/_sim cong Y/_approx$.



        Proof goes roughly like this: define $widetilde{f}([x]_sim)doteq [f(x)]_approx$. We have that $widetilde{f}$ is well-defined and injective because of the condition relating $sim$ and $approx$, while surjectivity follows from the surjectivity of $f$. Continuity of $widetilde{f}$ and $widetilde{f}^{-1}$ follow from the universal property of the quotient topologies applied to the relations $widetilde{f}circpi_{sim}=pi_{approx}circ f$ and $widetilde{f}^{-1}circ pi_{approx}=pi_simcirc f^{-1}$ with the continuity of $f$ and $f^{-1}$.






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          Your suspicion is correct. If $X$ and $Y$ are topological spaces with equivalence relations $sim$ and $approx$ and $f:Xto Y$ is a homeomorphism such that $xsim y$ if and only if $f(x)approx f(y)$, then $f$ passes to the quotient as $X/_sim cong Y/_approx$.



          Proof goes roughly like this: define $widetilde{f}([x]_sim)doteq [f(x)]_approx$. We have that $widetilde{f}$ is well-defined and injective because of the condition relating $sim$ and $approx$, while surjectivity follows from the surjectivity of $f$. Continuity of $widetilde{f}$ and $widetilde{f}^{-1}$ follow from the universal property of the quotient topologies applied to the relations $widetilde{f}circpi_{sim}=pi_{approx}circ f$ and $widetilde{f}^{-1}circ pi_{approx}=pi_simcirc f^{-1}$ with the continuity of $f$ and $f^{-1}$.






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          Your suspicion is correct. If $X$ and $Y$ are topological spaces with equivalence relations $sim$ and $approx$ and $f:Xto Y$ is a homeomorphism such that $xsim y$ if and only if $f(x)approx f(y)$, then $f$ passes to the quotient as $X/_sim cong Y/_approx$.



          Proof goes roughly like this: define $widetilde{f}([x]_sim)doteq [f(x)]_approx$. We have that $widetilde{f}$ is well-defined and injective because of the condition relating $sim$ and $approx$, while surjectivity follows from the surjectivity of $f$. Continuity of $widetilde{f}$ and $widetilde{f}^{-1}$ follow from the universal property of the quotient topologies applied to the relations $widetilde{f}circpi_{sim}=pi_{approx}circ f$ and $widetilde{f}^{-1}circ pi_{approx}=pi_simcirc f^{-1}$ with the continuity of $f$ and $f^{-1}$.







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              I think you are correct. Here is a sketch of the argument:



              $phi:=pi_Ycirc f$ is a continuous surjection: $Xto Y/approx$ and it induces a bijection: $X^*=left { phi^{-1}([y]): [y]in Y/approx right }overset{overlinephi}{rightarrow} Y/approx , $ which is a homeomorphism if and only if $phi$ is a quotient map.



              As $phi $ is indeed a quotient map, the induced map is a homeomorphism. So, $X/sim$ and $Y/approx$ will be homoeomorphic if and only if $X^*$ and $X/sim$ are.



              This means that the map $[x]mapsto f^{-1}circ pi^{-1}_Y([y])$ must be a homeomorphism. That is, $f([x])mapsto pi^{-1}_Y([y])$ must be a homeomorphism.



              But the above map is well-defined if and only if $xsim x'Rightarrow f(x)approx f(x'),$ and in this case, it is obviously continuous, and it should be easy to check that it is bijective with continuous inverse.






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                I think you are correct. Here is a sketch of the argument:



                $phi:=pi_Ycirc f$ is a continuous surjection: $Xto Y/approx$ and it induces a bijection: $X^*=left { phi^{-1}([y]): [y]in Y/approx right }overset{overlinephi}{rightarrow} Y/approx , $ which is a homeomorphism if and only if $phi$ is a quotient map.



                As $phi $ is indeed a quotient map, the induced map is a homeomorphism. So, $X/sim$ and $Y/approx$ will be homoeomorphic if and only if $X^*$ and $X/sim$ are.



                This means that the map $[x]mapsto f^{-1}circ pi^{-1}_Y([y])$ must be a homeomorphism. That is, $f([x])mapsto pi^{-1}_Y([y])$ must be a homeomorphism.



                But the above map is well-defined if and only if $xsim x'Rightarrow f(x)approx f(x'),$ and in this case, it is obviously continuous, and it should be easy to check that it is bijective with continuous inverse.






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                  I think you are correct. Here is a sketch of the argument:



                  $phi:=pi_Ycirc f$ is a continuous surjection: $Xto Y/approx$ and it induces a bijection: $X^*=left { phi^{-1}([y]): [y]in Y/approx right }overset{overlinephi}{rightarrow} Y/approx , $ which is a homeomorphism if and only if $phi$ is a quotient map.



                  As $phi $ is indeed a quotient map, the induced map is a homeomorphism. So, $X/sim$ and $Y/approx$ will be homoeomorphic if and only if $X^*$ and $X/sim$ are.



                  This means that the map $[x]mapsto f^{-1}circ pi^{-1}_Y([y])$ must be a homeomorphism. That is, $f([x])mapsto pi^{-1}_Y([y])$ must be a homeomorphism.



                  But the above map is well-defined if and only if $xsim x'Rightarrow f(x)approx f(x'),$ and in this case, it is obviously continuous, and it should be easy to check that it is bijective with continuous inverse.






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                  I think you are correct. Here is a sketch of the argument:



                  $phi:=pi_Ycirc f$ is a continuous surjection: $Xto Y/approx$ and it induces a bijection: $X^*=left { phi^{-1}([y]): [y]in Y/approx right }overset{overlinephi}{rightarrow} Y/approx , $ which is a homeomorphism if and only if $phi$ is a quotient map.



                  As $phi $ is indeed a quotient map, the induced map is a homeomorphism. So, $X/sim$ and $Y/approx$ will be homoeomorphic if and only if $X^*$ and $X/sim$ are.



                  This means that the map $[x]mapsto f^{-1}circ pi^{-1}_Y([y])$ must be a homeomorphism. That is, $f([x])mapsto pi^{-1}_Y([y])$ must be a homeomorphism.



                  But the above map is well-defined if and only if $xsim x'Rightarrow f(x)approx f(x'),$ and in this case, it is obviously continuous, and it should be easy to check that it is bijective with continuous inverse.







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