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We're asked to find the following limit by using Taylor expansions $$lim_{xto{}0}frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}$$



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Expressing $e^{3x}$, $sin(x)$, $cos(x)$, $ln(1-2x)$ and $cos(5x)$ in their respective taylor expansions yielded the following monstrous fraction, https://imgur.com/a/xGyfIyL (Picture size too big to be uploaded here for some reason, plus fraction too large to be expressed in the space given :/) But anyways, I can't seem to factorize this thing and evaluate the limit as $xto{}0$, any help would be appreciated.










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  • A hint is that only the leading terms are going to matter. Can you see what happens to the constant, $x$, and $x^2$ terms in the numerator and denominator?
    – user113102
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  • As @gimusi notes, you do not need the explicit Taylor series for the fraction. You can answer the question with some algebra on the leading terms for numerator and denominator.
    – Ethan Bolker
    yesterday










  • The main point is to guess the correct order for the expansion. In the doubt we could decide to start with the first order to obtain $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x-x-1-2x+o(x)}{-1+1+o(x)}$$ which is an indeterminate form $frac 0 0$. When this happen it means that the order used is not sufficient. Then we can try with the order $2$ which indeed works fine. Of course also all the orders greater than $2$ work fine. But the second order suffices, how we can easily guess looking at the denominator.
    – gimusi
    yesterday












  • I see now how I can go about evaluating the limit itself although I still find the concept a little bit vague, as in considering a specific order for the expansion and then applying it for all the functions while leaving the rest of the series behind, it'll probably start making more sense in a few more examples. Thanks for the help :)
    – kareem bokai
    yesterday










  • @kareembokai Yes of course you need only to practice to get confident with the method. The main rule is that all the function must be expanded to the same order. Note also that we can get an uncorrect evaluation when the order is too low than the minimum requested but not when the order is higher (but it requires more effort and work). Then you need to practice a lot with that in order to becomemore and more confident.
    – gimusi
    yesterday















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We're asked to find the following limit by using Taylor expansions $$lim_{xto{}0}frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}$$



My Attempt:



Expressing $e^{3x}$, $sin(x)$, $cos(x)$, $ln(1-2x)$ and $cos(5x)$ in their respective taylor expansions yielded the following monstrous fraction, https://imgur.com/a/xGyfIyL (Picture size too big to be uploaded here for some reason, plus fraction too large to be expressed in the space given :/) But anyways, I can't seem to factorize this thing and evaluate the limit as $xto{}0$, any help would be appreciated.










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  • A hint is that only the leading terms are going to matter. Can you see what happens to the constant, $x$, and $x^2$ terms in the numerator and denominator?
    – user113102
    yesterday










  • As @gimusi notes, you do not need the explicit Taylor series for the fraction. You can answer the question with some algebra on the leading terms for numerator and denominator.
    – Ethan Bolker
    yesterday










  • The main point is to guess the correct order for the expansion. In the doubt we could decide to start with the first order to obtain $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x-x-1-2x+o(x)}{-1+1+o(x)}$$ which is an indeterminate form $frac 0 0$. When this happen it means that the order used is not sufficient. Then we can try with the order $2$ which indeed works fine. Of course also all the orders greater than $2$ work fine. But the second order suffices, how we can easily guess looking at the denominator.
    – gimusi
    yesterday












  • I see now how I can go about evaluating the limit itself although I still find the concept a little bit vague, as in considering a specific order for the expansion and then applying it for all the functions while leaving the rest of the series behind, it'll probably start making more sense in a few more examples. Thanks for the help :)
    – kareem bokai
    yesterday










  • @kareembokai Yes of course you need only to practice to get confident with the method. The main rule is that all the function must be expanded to the same order. Note also that we can get an uncorrect evaluation when the order is too low than the minimum requested but not when the order is higher (but it requires more effort and work). Then you need to practice a lot with that in order to becomemore and more confident.
    – gimusi
    yesterday













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We're asked to find the following limit by using Taylor expansions $$lim_{xto{}0}frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}$$



My Attempt:



Expressing $e^{3x}$, $sin(x)$, $cos(x)$, $ln(1-2x)$ and $cos(5x)$ in their respective taylor expansions yielded the following monstrous fraction, https://imgur.com/a/xGyfIyL (Picture size too big to be uploaded here for some reason, plus fraction too large to be expressed in the space given :/) But anyways, I can't seem to factorize this thing and evaluate the limit as $xto{}0$, any help would be appreciated.










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We're asked to find the following limit by using Taylor expansions $$lim_{xto{}0}frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}$$



My Attempt:



Expressing $e^{3x}$, $sin(x)$, $cos(x)$, $ln(1-2x)$ and $cos(5x)$ in their respective taylor expansions yielded the following monstrous fraction, https://imgur.com/a/xGyfIyL (Picture size too big to be uploaded here for some reason, plus fraction too large to be expressed in the space given :/) But anyways, I can't seem to factorize this thing and evaluate the limit as $xto{}0$, any help would be appreciated.







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  • A hint is that only the leading terms are going to matter. Can you see what happens to the constant, $x$, and $x^2$ terms in the numerator and denominator?
    – user113102
    yesterday










  • As @gimusi notes, you do not need the explicit Taylor series for the fraction. You can answer the question with some algebra on the leading terms for numerator and denominator.
    – Ethan Bolker
    yesterday










  • The main point is to guess the correct order for the expansion. In the doubt we could decide to start with the first order to obtain $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x-x-1-2x+o(x)}{-1+1+o(x)}$$ which is an indeterminate form $frac 0 0$. When this happen it means that the order used is not sufficient. Then we can try with the order $2$ which indeed works fine. Of course also all the orders greater than $2$ work fine. But the second order suffices, how we can easily guess looking at the denominator.
    – gimusi
    yesterday












  • I see now how I can go about evaluating the limit itself although I still find the concept a little bit vague, as in considering a specific order for the expansion and then applying it for all the functions while leaving the rest of the series behind, it'll probably start making more sense in a few more examples. Thanks for the help :)
    – kareem bokai
    yesterday










  • @kareembokai Yes of course you need only to practice to get confident with the method. The main rule is that all the function must be expanded to the same order. Note also that we can get an uncorrect evaluation when the order is too low than the minimum requested but not when the order is higher (but it requires more effort and work). Then you need to practice a lot with that in order to becomemore and more confident.
    – gimusi
    yesterday


















  • A hint is that only the leading terms are going to matter. Can you see what happens to the constant, $x$, and $x^2$ terms in the numerator and denominator?
    – user113102
    yesterday










  • As @gimusi notes, you do not need the explicit Taylor series for the fraction. You can answer the question with some algebra on the leading terms for numerator and denominator.
    – Ethan Bolker
    yesterday










  • The main point is to guess the correct order for the expansion. In the doubt we could decide to start with the first order to obtain $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x-x-1-2x+o(x)}{-1+1+o(x)}$$ which is an indeterminate form $frac 0 0$. When this happen it means that the order used is not sufficient. Then we can try with the order $2$ which indeed works fine. Of course also all the orders greater than $2$ work fine. But the second order suffices, how we can easily guess looking at the denominator.
    – gimusi
    yesterday












  • I see now how I can go about evaluating the limit itself although I still find the concept a little bit vague, as in considering a specific order for the expansion and then applying it for all the functions while leaving the rest of the series behind, it'll probably start making more sense in a few more examples. Thanks for the help :)
    – kareem bokai
    yesterday










  • @kareembokai Yes of course you need only to practice to get confident with the method. The main rule is that all the function must be expanded to the same order. Note also that we can get an uncorrect evaluation when the order is too low than the minimum requested but not when the order is higher (but it requires more effort and work). Then you need to practice a lot with that in order to becomemore and more confident.
    – gimusi
    yesterday
















A hint is that only the leading terms are going to matter. Can you see what happens to the constant, $x$, and $x^2$ terms in the numerator and denominator?
– user113102
yesterday




A hint is that only the leading terms are going to matter. Can you see what happens to the constant, $x$, and $x^2$ terms in the numerator and denominator?
– user113102
yesterday












As @gimusi notes, you do not need the explicit Taylor series for the fraction. You can answer the question with some algebra on the leading terms for numerator and denominator.
– Ethan Bolker
yesterday




As @gimusi notes, you do not need the explicit Taylor series for the fraction. You can answer the question with some algebra on the leading terms for numerator and denominator.
– Ethan Bolker
yesterday












The main point is to guess the correct order for the expansion. In the doubt we could decide to start with the first order to obtain $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x-x-1-2x+o(x)}{-1+1+o(x)}$$ which is an indeterminate form $frac 0 0$. When this happen it means that the order used is not sufficient. Then we can try with the order $2$ which indeed works fine. Of course also all the orders greater than $2$ work fine. But the second order suffices, how we can easily guess looking at the denominator.
– gimusi
yesterday






The main point is to guess the correct order for the expansion. In the doubt we could decide to start with the first order to obtain $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x-x-1-2x+o(x)}{-1+1+o(x)}$$ which is an indeterminate form $frac 0 0$. When this happen it means that the order used is not sufficient. Then we can try with the order $2$ which indeed works fine. Of course also all the orders greater than $2$ work fine. But the second order suffices, how we can easily guess looking at the denominator.
– gimusi
yesterday














I see now how I can go about evaluating the limit itself although I still find the concept a little bit vague, as in considering a specific order for the expansion and then applying it for all the functions while leaving the rest of the series behind, it'll probably start making more sense in a few more examples. Thanks for the help :)
– kareem bokai
yesterday




I see now how I can go about evaluating the limit itself although I still find the concept a little bit vague, as in considering a specific order for the expansion and then applying it for all the functions while leaving the rest of the series behind, it'll probably start making more sense in a few more examples. Thanks for the help :)
– kareem bokai
yesterday












@kareembokai Yes of course you need only to practice to get confident with the method. The main rule is that all the function must be expanded to the same order. Note also that we can get an uncorrect evaluation when the order is too low than the minimum requested but not when the order is higher (but it requires more effort and work). Then you need to practice a lot with that in order to becomemore and more confident.
– gimusi
yesterday




@kareembokai Yes of course you need only to practice to get confident with the method. The main rule is that all the function must be expanded to the same order. Note also that we can get an uncorrect evaluation when the order is too low than the minimum requested but not when the order is higher (but it requires more effort and work). Then you need to practice a lot with that in order to becomemore and more confident.
– gimusi
yesterday










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By Taylor's expansion, term by term, we have that




  • $e^{3x}=1+3x+frac92x^2+o(x^2)$

  • $sin x =x+o(x^2)$

  • $cos x = 1-frac12 x^2+o(x^2)$

  • $log(1-2x)=-2x-2x^2+o(x^2)$

  • $cos (5x) = 1-frac{25}2 x^2+o(x^2)$


and then



$$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x+frac92x^2-x-1+frac12x^2-2x-2x^2+o(x^2)}{-1+1-frac{25}2x^2+o(x^2)}$$



Can you conclude from here?





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The main point with Taylor's expansion is to guess the correct order to use for the expansion and there is not general a rule to be sure about the order to use.



In the doubt, we could decide to start with the first order to obtain $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x-x-1-2x+o(x)}{-1+1+o(x)}$$ which is an indeterminate form $frac 0 0$.



When this happen it means that the order used is not sufficient. Then we can try with the order $2$ which indeed works fine. Of course also all the orders greater than $2$ work fine. But the second order suffices, how we can easily guess, in that case, looking at the denominator which is in the form $cx^2+o(x^2)$.






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  • I do see that you've ended up with the leading terms, however I still don't see how you managed to get rid of all the other terms so quickly
    – kareem bokai
    yesterday










  • @kareembokai I add something on that!
    – gimusi
    yesterday










  • @kareembokai Let me know whether now it is clear or not. In case do not hesitate to ask for any clarification.
    – gimusi
    yesterday










  • In general it's better to start with the term that appears simpler, in this case the denominator, which is easily seen to have order $2$.
    – egreg
    yesterday










  • @egreg Yes I agree in that case is quite simple, is some other cases for a student new in the topic it can be not so straightforward to see, but after a while and some tons of limits it becomes a simple task for usual limits.
    – gimusi
    yesterday


















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There is nothing monstrous in that computation. If you want a compact resolution, compute separately the coefficients in increasing order (numerator/denominator).




  • constant terms: $1-1=0 / -1+1=0$;


  • linear terms: $3-1-2=0 / 0$;


  • quadratic terms: $dfrac92+dfrac12-2=dfrac{6}{2} / -dfrac{25}2$.



As the first nonzero coefficients are of the same order, the limit is finite and is the ratio



$$-frac{6}{25}.$$





The trick is to obtain a fraction like



$$frac{ax^n+text{higher order terms}}{bx^m+text{higher order terms}}=x^{n-m}frac{a+text{higher order terms}}{b+text{higher order terms}}$$ which tends to $0,dfrac ab$ or $pminfty$ depending on the sign of $n-m$.






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    Nice way to simplify even if it requires a few of experience to be handle in that way.
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From your picture, it seems an expansion at order $2$ will do. All functions should be expanded at the same order, using, say Taylor-Young's formula. Thus





  • $mathrm e^{3x}=1+3x+frac92x^2+o(x^2)$,


  • $sin x =x+o(x^2)$,


  • $cos x=1-frac12 x^2+o(x^2)$,


  • $ln(1-2x)=-2x-frac42 x^2+o(x^2)$
    Thus the numerator is
    $$N(x)=1+3x+frac92x^2-x-1+frac12 x^2-2x-2 x^2+o(x^2)=3 x^2+o(x^2).$$
    Can you proceed?






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    We need only quote the numerator and denominator up to $x^2$ terms: $$lim_{xto 0}frac{1+3x+color{blue}{9x^2/2}-x-1+color{blue}{x^2/2}-2xcolor{blue}{-2x^2}+O(x^3)}{-1+1color{blue}{-25x^2/2}+O(x^3)}.$$You'll find only $x^2$ terms survive in each.






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      By Taylor's expansion, term by term, we have that




      • $e^{3x}=1+3x+frac92x^2+o(x^2)$

      • $sin x =x+o(x^2)$

      • $cos x = 1-frac12 x^2+o(x^2)$

      • $log(1-2x)=-2x-2x^2+o(x^2)$

      • $cos (5x) = 1-frac{25}2 x^2+o(x^2)$


      and then



      $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x+frac92x^2-x-1+frac12x^2-2x-2x^2+o(x^2)}{-1+1-frac{25}2x^2+o(x^2)}$$



      Can you conclude from here?





      Edit for a remark



      The main point with Taylor's expansion is to guess the correct order to use for the expansion and there is not general a rule to be sure about the order to use.



      In the doubt, we could decide to start with the first order to obtain $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x-x-1-2x+o(x)}{-1+1+o(x)}$$ which is an indeterminate form $frac 0 0$.



      When this happen it means that the order used is not sufficient. Then we can try with the order $2$ which indeed works fine. Of course also all the orders greater than $2$ work fine. But the second order suffices, how we can easily guess, in that case, looking at the denominator which is in the form $cx^2+o(x^2)$.






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      • I do see that you've ended up with the leading terms, however I still don't see how you managed to get rid of all the other terms so quickly
        – kareem bokai
        yesterday










      • @kareembokai I add something on that!
        – gimusi
        yesterday










      • @kareembokai Let me know whether now it is clear or not. In case do not hesitate to ask for any clarification.
        – gimusi
        yesterday










      • In general it's better to start with the term that appears simpler, in this case the denominator, which is easily seen to have order $2$.
        – egreg
        yesterday










      • @egreg Yes I agree in that case is quite simple, is some other cases for a student new in the topic it can be not so straightforward to see, but after a while and some tons of limits it becomes a simple task for usual limits.
        – gimusi
        yesterday















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      HINT



      By Taylor's expansion, term by term, we have that




      • $e^{3x}=1+3x+frac92x^2+o(x^2)$

      • $sin x =x+o(x^2)$

      • $cos x = 1-frac12 x^2+o(x^2)$

      • $log(1-2x)=-2x-2x^2+o(x^2)$

      • $cos (5x) = 1-frac{25}2 x^2+o(x^2)$


      and then



      $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x+frac92x^2-x-1+frac12x^2-2x-2x^2+o(x^2)}{-1+1-frac{25}2x^2+o(x^2)}$$



      Can you conclude from here?





      Edit for a remark



      The main point with Taylor's expansion is to guess the correct order to use for the expansion and there is not general a rule to be sure about the order to use.



      In the doubt, we could decide to start with the first order to obtain $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x-x-1-2x+o(x)}{-1+1+o(x)}$$ which is an indeterminate form $frac 0 0$.



      When this happen it means that the order used is not sufficient. Then we can try with the order $2$ which indeed works fine. Of course also all the orders greater than $2$ work fine. But the second order suffices, how we can easily guess, in that case, looking at the denominator which is in the form $cx^2+o(x^2)$.






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      • I do see that you've ended up with the leading terms, however I still don't see how you managed to get rid of all the other terms so quickly
        – kareem bokai
        yesterday










      • @kareembokai I add something on that!
        – gimusi
        yesterday










      • @kareembokai Let me know whether now it is clear or not. In case do not hesitate to ask for any clarification.
        – gimusi
        yesterday










      • In general it's better to start with the term that appears simpler, in this case the denominator, which is easily seen to have order $2$.
        – egreg
        yesterday










      • @egreg Yes I agree in that case is quite simple, is some other cases for a student new in the topic it can be not so straightforward to see, but after a while and some tons of limits it becomes a simple task for usual limits.
        – gimusi
        yesterday













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      HINT



      By Taylor's expansion, term by term, we have that




      • $e^{3x}=1+3x+frac92x^2+o(x^2)$

      • $sin x =x+o(x^2)$

      • $cos x = 1-frac12 x^2+o(x^2)$

      • $log(1-2x)=-2x-2x^2+o(x^2)$

      • $cos (5x) = 1-frac{25}2 x^2+o(x^2)$


      and then



      $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x+frac92x^2-x-1+frac12x^2-2x-2x^2+o(x^2)}{-1+1-frac{25}2x^2+o(x^2)}$$



      Can you conclude from here?





      Edit for a remark



      The main point with Taylor's expansion is to guess the correct order to use for the expansion and there is not general a rule to be sure about the order to use.



      In the doubt, we could decide to start with the first order to obtain $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x-x-1-2x+o(x)}{-1+1+o(x)}$$ which is an indeterminate form $frac 0 0$.



      When this happen it means that the order used is not sufficient. Then we can try with the order $2$ which indeed works fine. Of course also all the orders greater than $2$ work fine. But the second order suffices, how we can easily guess, in that case, looking at the denominator which is in the form $cx^2+o(x^2)$.






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      HINT



      By Taylor's expansion, term by term, we have that




      • $e^{3x}=1+3x+frac92x^2+o(x^2)$

      • $sin x =x+o(x^2)$

      • $cos x = 1-frac12 x^2+o(x^2)$

      • $log(1-2x)=-2x-2x^2+o(x^2)$

      • $cos (5x) = 1-frac{25}2 x^2+o(x^2)$


      and then



      $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x+frac92x^2-x-1+frac12x^2-2x-2x^2+o(x^2)}{-1+1-frac{25}2x^2+o(x^2)}$$



      Can you conclude from here?





      Edit for a remark



      The main point with Taylor's expansion is to guess the correct order to use for the expansion and there is not general a rule to be sure about the order to use.



      In the doubt, we could decide to start with the first order to obtain $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x-x-1-2x+o(x)}{-1+1+o(x)}$$ which is an indeterminate form $frac 0 0$.



      When this happen it means that the order used is not sufficient. Then we can try with the order $2$ which indeed works fine. Of course also all the orders greater than $2$ work fine. But the second order suffices, how we can easily guess, in that case, looking at the denominator which is in the form $cx^2+o(x^2)$.







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      • I do see that you've ended up with the leading terms, however I still don't see how you managed to get rid of all the other terms so quickly
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      • @kareembokai I add something on that!
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      • @kareembokai Let me know whether now it is clear or not. In case do not hesitate to ask for any clarification.
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      • In general it's better to start with the term that appears simpler, in this case the denominator, which is easily seen to have order $2$.
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      • @egreg Yes I agree in that case is quite simple, is some other cases for a student new in the topic it can be not so straightforward to see, but after a while and some tons of limits it becomes a simple task for usual limits.
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      • I do see that you've ended up with the leading terms, however I still don't see how you managed to get rid of all the other terms so quickly
        – kareem bokai
        yesterday










      • @kareembokai I add something on that!
        – gimusi
        yesterday










      • @kareembokai Let me know whether now it is clear or not. In case do not hesitate to ask for any clarification.
        – gimusi
        yesterday










      • In general it's better to start with the term that appears simpler, in this case the denominator, which is easily seen to have order $2$.
        – egreg
        yesterday










      • @egreg Yes I agree in that case is quite simple, is some other cases for a student new in the topic it can be not so straightforward to see, but after a while and some tons of limits it becomes a simple task for usual limits.
        – gimusi
        yesterday
















      I do see that you've ended up with the leading terms, however I still don't see how you managed to get rid of all the other terms so quickly
      – kareem bokai
      yesterday




      I do see that you've ended up with the leading terms, however I still don't see how you managed to get rid of all the other terms so quickly
      – kareem bokai
      yesterday












      @kareembokai I add something on that!
      – gimusi
      yesterday




      @kareembokai I add something on that!
      – gimusi
      yesterday












      @kareembokai Let me know whether now it is clear or not. In case do not hesitate to ask for any clarification.
      – gimusi
      yesterday




      @kareembokai Let me know whether now it is clear or not. In case do not hesitate to ask for any clarification.
      – gimusi
      yesterday












      In general it's better to start with the term that appears simpler, in this case the denominator, which is easily seen to have order $2$.
      – egreg
      yesterday




      In general it's better to start with the term that appears simpler, in this case the denominator, which is easily seen to have order $2$.
      – egreg
      yesterday












      @egreg Yes I agree in that case is quite simple, is some other cases for a student new in the topic it can be not so straightforward to see, but after a while and some tons of limits it becomes a simple task for usual limits.
      – gimusi
      yesterday




      @egreg Yes I agree in that case is quite simple, is some other cases for a student new in the topic it can be not so straightforward to see, but after a while and some tons of limits it becomes a simple task for usual limits.
      – gimusi
      yesterday










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      There is nothing monstrous in that computation. If you want a compact resolution, compute separately the coefficients in increasing order (numerator/denominator).




      • constant terms: $1-1=0 / -1+1=0$;


      • linear terms: $3-1-2=0 / 0$;


      • quadratic terms: $dfrac92+dfrac12-2=dfrac{6}{2} / -dfrac{25}2$.



      As the first nonzero coefficients are of the same order, the limit is finite and is the ratio



      $$-frac{6}{25}.$$





      The trick is to obtain a fraction like



      $$frac{ax^n+text{higher order terms}}{bx^m+text{higher order terms}}=x^{n-m}frac{a+text{higher order terms}}{b+text{higher order terms}}$$ which tends to $0,dfrac ab$ or $pminfty$ depending on the sign of $n-m$.






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        Nice way to simplify even if it requires a few of experience to be handle in that way.
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      There is nothing monstrous in that computation. If you want a compact resolution, compute separately the coefficients in increasing order (numerator/denominator).




      • constant terms: $1-1=0 / -1+1=0$;


      • linear terms: $3-1-2=0 / 0$;


      • quadratic terms: $dfrac92+dfrac12-2=dfrac{6}{2} / -dfrac{25}2$.



      As the first nonzero coefficients are of the same order, the limit is finite and is the ratio



      $$-frac{6}{25}.$$





      The trick is to obtain a fraction like



      $$frac{ax^n+text{higher order terms}}{bx^m+text{higher order terms}}=x^{n-m}frac{a+text{higher order terms}}{b+text{higher order terms}}$$ which tends to $0,dfrac ab$ or $pminfty$ depending on the sign of $n-m$.






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        Nice way to simplify even if it requires a few of experience to be handle in that way.
        – gimusi
        yesterday













      up vote
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      up vote
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      There is nothing monstrous in that computation. If you want a compact resolution, compute separately the coefficients in increasing order (numerator/denominator).




      • constant terms: $1-1=0 / -1+1=0$;


      • linear terms: $3-1-2=0 / 0$;


      • quadratic terms: $dfrac92+dfrac12-2=dfrac{6}{2} / -dfrac{25}2$.



      As the first nonzero coefficients are of the same order, the limit is finite and is the ratio



      $$-frac{6}{25}.$$





      The trick is to obtain a fraction like



      $$frac{ax^n+text{higher order terms}}{bx^m+text{higher order terms}}=x^{n-m}frac{a+text{higher order terms}}{b+text{higher order terms}}$$ which tends to $0,dfrac ab$ or $pminfty$ depending on the sign of $n-m$.






      share|cite|improve this answer














      There is nothing monstrous in that computation. If you want a compact resolution, compute separately the coefficients in increasing order (numerator/denominator).




      • constant terms: $1-1=0 / -1+1=0$;


      • linear terms: $3-1-2=0 / 0$;


      • quadratic terms: $dfrac92+dfrac12-2=dfrac{6}{2} / -dfrac{25}2$.



      As the first nonzero coefficients are of the same order, the limit is finite and is the ratio



      $$-frac{6}{25}.$$





      The trick is to obtain a fraction like



      $$frac{ax^n+text{higher order terms}}{bx^m+text{higher order terms}}=x^{n-m}frac{a+text{higher order terms}}{b+text{higher order terms}}$$ which tends to $0,dfrac ab$ or $pminfty$ depending on the sign of $n-m$.







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        Nice way to simplify even if it requires a few of experience to be handle in that way.
        – gimusi
        yesterday














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        Nice way to simplify even if it requires a few of experience to be handle in that way.
        – gimusi
        yesterday








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      Nice way to simplify even if it requires a few of experience to be handle in that way.
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      yesterday




      Nice way to simplify even if it requires a few of experience to be handle in that way.
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      From your picture, it seems an expansion at order $2$ will do. All functions should be expanded at the same order, using, say Taylor-Young's formula. Thus





      • $mathrm e^{3x}=1+3x+frac92x^2+o(x^2)$,


      • $sin x =x+o(x^2)$,


      • $cos x=1-frac12 x^2+o(x^2)$,


      • $ln(1-2x)=-2x-frac42 x^2+o(x^2)$
        Thus the numerator is
        $$N(x)=1+3x+frac92x^2-x-1+frac12 x^2-2x-2 x^2+o(x^2)=3 x^2+o(x^2).$$
        Can you proceed?






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        From your picture, it seems an expansion at order $2$ will do. All functions should be expanded at the same order, using, say Taylor-Young's formula. Thus





        • $mathrm e^{3x}=1+3x+frac92x^2+o(x^2)$,


        • $sin x =x+o(x^2)$,


        • $cos x=1-frac12 x^2+o(x^2)$,


        • $ln(1-2x)=-2x-frac42 x^2+o(x^2)$
          Thus the numerator is
          $$N(x)=1+3x+frac92x^2-x-1+frac12 x^2-2x-2 x^2+o(x^2)=3 x^2+o(x^2).$$
          Can you proceed?






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          up vote
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          From your picture, it seems an expansion at order $2$ will do. All functions should be expanded at the same order, using, say Taylor-Young's formula. Thus





          • $mathrm e^{3x}=1+3x+frac92x^2+o(x^2)$,


          • $sin x =x+o(x^2)$,


          • $cos x=1-frac12 x^2+o(x^2)$,


          • $ln(1-2x)=-2x-frac42 x^2+o(x^2)$
            Thus the numerator is
            $$N(x)=1+3x+frac92x^2-x-1+frac12 x^2-2x-2 x^2+o(x^2)=3 x^2+o(x^2).$$
            Can you proceed?






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          From your picture, it seems an expansion at order $2$ will do. All functions should be expanded at the same order, using, say Taylor-Young's formula. Thus





          • $mathrm e^{3x}=1+3x+frac92x^2+o(x^2)$,


          • $sin x =x+o(x^2)$,


          • $cos x=1-frac12 x^2+o(x^2)$,


          • $ln(1-2x)=-2x-frac42 x^2+o(x^2)$
            Thus the numerator is
            $$N(x)=1+3x+frac92x^2-x-1+frac12 x^2-2x-2 x^2+o(x^2)=3 x^2+o(x^2).$$
            Can you proceed?







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              We need only quote the numerator and denominator up to $x^2$ terms: $$lim_{xto 0}frac{1+3x+color{blue}{9x^2/2}-x-1+color{blue}{x^2/2}-2xcolor{blue}{-2x^2}+O(x^3)}{-1+1color{blue}{-25x^2/2}+O(x^3)}.$$You'll find only $x^2$ terms survive in each.






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                We need only quote the numerator and denominator up to $x^2$ terms: $$lim_{xto 0}frac{1+3x+color{blue}{9x^2/2}-x-1+color{blue}{x^2/2}-2xcolor{blue}{-2x^2}+O(x^3)}{-1+1color{blue}{-25x^2/2}+O(x^3)}.$$You'll find only $x^2$ terms survive in each.






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                  We need only quote the numerator and denominator up to $x^2$ terms: $$lim_{xto 0}frac{1+3x+color{blue}{9x^2/2}-x-1+color{blue}{x^2/2}-2xcolor{blue}{-2x^2}+O(x^3)}{-1+1color{blue}{-25x^2/2}+O(x^3)}.$$You'll find only $x^2$ terms survive in each.






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                  We need only quote the numerator and denominator up to $x^2$ terms: $$lim_{xto 0}frac{1+3x+color{blue}{9x^2/2}-x-1+color{blue}{x^2/2}-2xcolor{blue}{-2x^2}+O(x^3)}{-1+1color{blue}{-25x^2/2}+O(x^3)}.$$You'll find only $x^2$ terms survive in each.







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