Geometric Series, reason behind we take take $r>1$ for a variable e.g “$a$ or $b$” involved! [closed]











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My math book explains the concept of geometric series as:
$ar + ar^2 + ar^3 + ldots$ (upto the $n$th term)



and the formula to find the sum upto $n$ terms is:



Case $1$: (when $r<1$)



$S_n = a_1 dfrac{1-r^n}{1-r}$ (note: $a_1$ is the first term of the series)



Case $2$: (when $r>1$)



$S_n = a_1 dfrac{r^n-1}{r-1}$





Now the question is: when any variable is involved in the series meaning if $r=a$ (or any other variable) we always suppose $r>1$, why is that?



For example consider the question below:



Q) Sum upto $n$ terms the following series:
$1 + (a + b) + (a^2 + ab + b^2) + (a^3 + a^2b + ab^2 + b^3) + ldots$



In the above question we take $a>1$. How is that possible?










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My math book explains the concept of geometric series as:
$ar + ar^2 + ar^3 + ldots$ (upto the $n$th term)



and the formula to find the sum upto $n$ terms is:



Case $1$: (when $r<1$)



$S_n = a_1 dfrac{1-r^n}{1-r}$ (note: $a_1$ is the first term of the series)



Case $2$: (when $r>1$)



$S_n = a_1 dfrac{r^n-1}{r-1}$





Now the question is: when any variable is involved in the series meaning if $r=a$ (or any other variable) we always suppose $r>1$, why is that?



For example consider the question below:



Q) Sum upto $n$ terms the following series:
$1 + (a + b) + (a^2 + ab + b^2) + (a^3 + a^2b + ab^2 + b^3) + ldots$



In the above question we take $a>1$. How is that possible?










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My math book explains the concept of geometric series as:
$ar + ar^2 + ar^3 + ldots$ (upto the $n$th term)



and the formula to find the sum upto $n$ terms is:



Case $1$: (when $r<1$)



$S_n = a_1 dfrac{1-r^n}{1-r}$ (note: $a_1$ is the first term of the series)



Case $2$: (when $r>1$)



$S_n = a_1 dfrac{r^n-1}{r-1}$





Now the question is: when any variable is involved in the series meaning if $r=a$ (or any other variable) we always suppose $r>1$, why is that?



For example consider the question below:



Q) Sum upto $n$ terms the following series:
$1 + (a + b) + (a^2 + ab + b^2) + (a^3 + a^2b + ab^2 + b^3) + ldots$



In the above question we take $a>1$. How is that possible?










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My math book explains the concept of geometric series as:
$ar + ar^2 + ar^3 + ldots$ (upto the $n$th term)



and the formula to find the sum upto $n$ terms is:



Case $1$: (when $r<1$)



$S_n = a_1 dfrac{1-r^n}{1-r}$ (note: $a_1$ is the first term of the series)



Case $2$: (when $r>1$)



$S_n = a_1 dfrac{r^n-1}{r-1}$





Now the question is: when any variable is involved in the series meaning if $r=a$ (or any other variable) we always suppose $r>1$, why is that?



For example consider the question below:



Q) Sum upto $n$ terms the following series:
$1 + (a + b) + (a^2 + ab + b^2) + (a^3 + a^2b + ab^2 + b^3) + ldots$



In the above question we take $a>1$. How is that possible?







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  • I don't know why the book would distinguish between those two cases, because the two formulas are equivalent.
    – eternalGoldenBraid
    Nov 22 at 13:38


















  • Hi and welcome to math.SE. Please use MathJax formatting to improve readability and increase your chances to get meaningful answers.
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    Nov 22 at 13:29










  • I don't know why the book would distinguish between those two cases, because the two formulas are equivalent.
    – eternalGoldenBraid
    Nov 22 at 13:38
















Hi and welcome to math.SE. Please use MathJax formatting to improve readability and increase your chances to get meaningful answers.
– francescop21
Nov 22 at 13:29




Hi and welcome to math.SE. Please use MathJax formatting to improve readability and increase your chances to get meaningful answers.
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I don't know why the book would distinguish between those two cases, because the two formulas are equivalent.
– eternalGoldenBraid
Nov 22 at 13:38




I don't know why the book would distinguish between those two cases, because the two formulas are equivalent.
– eternalGoldenBraid
Nov 22 at 13:38










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There should be the term $a$ regardless. You can only assume $r>1$ if the sequence is increasing, and likewise only assume $r<1$ if it is decreasing.






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    In my experience, it is only relevant to consider $r neq 1$, which would be the sum of an arithmetic sequence (and indeed, the denominator of the final formula is undefined for this value). And indeed, your case 1 and case 2 are formally identical.



    Now for your specific exemple, it seems to me that $r=a+b$, and the condition $a>1$ along with $b>0$ is sufficient to ensure $rneq 1$ and apply the result directly.






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      There should be the term $a$ regardless. You can only assume $r>1$ if the sequence is increasing, and likewise only assume $r<1$ if it is decreasing.






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        There should be the term $a$ regardless. You can only assume $r>1$ if the sequence is increasing, and likewise only assume $r<1$ if it is decreasing.






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          There should be the term $a$ regardless. You can only assume $r>1$ if the sequence is increasing, and likewise only assume $r<1$ if it is decreasing.






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          There should be the term $a$ regardless. You can only assume $r>1$ if the sequence is increasing, and likewise only assume $r<1$ if it is decreasing.







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              In my experience, it is only relevant to consider $r neq 1$, which would be the sum of an arithmetic sequence (and indeed, the denominator of the final formula is undefined for this value). And indeed, your case 1 and case 2 are formally identical.



              Now for your specific exemple, it seems to me that $r=a+b$, and the condition $a>1$ along with $b>0$ is sufficient to ensure $rneq 1$ and apply the result directly.






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                In my experience, it is only relevant to consider $r neq 1$, which would be the sum of an arithmetic sequence (and indeed, the denominator of the final formula is undefined for this value). And indeed, your case 1 and case 2 are formally identical.



                Now for your specific exemple, it seems to me that $r=a+b$, and the condition $a>1$ along with $b>0$ is sufficient to ensure $rneq 1$ and apply the result directly.






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                  In my experience, it is only relevant to consider $r neq 1$, which would be the sum of an arithmetic sequence (and indeed, the denominator of the final formula is undefined for this value). And indeed, your case 1 and case 2 are formally identical.



                  Now for your specific exemple, it seems to me that $r=a+b$, and the condition $a>1$ along with $b>0$ is sufficient to ensure $rneq 1$ and apply the result directly.






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                  In my experience, it is only relevant to consider $r neq 1$, which would be the sum of an arithmetic sequence (and indeed, the denominator of the final formula is undefined for this value). And indeed, your case 1 and case 2 are formally identical.



                  Now for your specific exemple, it seems to me that $r=a+b$, and the condition $a>1$ along with $b>0$ is sufficient to ensure $rneq 1$ and apply the result directly.







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                  answered Nov 22 at 13:39









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