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If p is the probability that a man aged x will die in a year then the
probability that out of n men $A_1, A_2 ,A_3 ...A_n$, each aged x,
$A_1$ will die in an year and be the first to die is: ?



a) $1- (1- p)^{n-1}$



b)$(1-p)^n$



c) $dfrac 1n [1- (1-p)^n]$



d) $dfrac 1n (1-p)^n$




Attempt:



Order of dying matters.



Choose $r$ out of $n-1$ and arrange them (i.e. their deaths) in $r!$ ways.



So $P(E) = ptimes{^{n-1}C_0} (1- p)^{n-1}+ p times ptimes {^{n-1}C_1} (1-p)^{n-1} + ptimes p^2 times 2!times {^{n-1}C_2} (1- p)^{n-2}+...$



$implies P(E) = p sum_{r=0}^{n-1} {^{n-1}}C_r (1-p)^{n-1-r}p^r times r!$



But this doesn't match any of the options.



Could someone please tell me where I have gone wrong?



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  • My prime focus is the mistake that I have made in solving which that question doesn't cover. therefore, please don't mark it as a duplicate.
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  • @Abcd: If you look my answer below, you will notice your mistake is on $mathbb{P}[A_1 text{dies first} mid N=r]$.
    – Daniel
    Nov 22 at 16:17










  • @Daniel Didnt understand what you mean.
    – Abcd
    Nov 22 at 16:19










  • @Abcd: the actual value of $mathbb{P}[A_1 text{dies first} mid N=r]$ is $frac{1}{r+1}$, and you considered it being $r!$. The probability of $A_1$ being the first among $A_1, A_{i_1}, ldots, A_{i_r}$ is $frac{r!}{(r+1)!}$.
    – Daniel
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  • @Daniel $r!$ is for arrangement death of $A_2 , A3 ,etc$ not for $A_1$
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If p is the probability that a man aged x will die in a year then the
probability that out of n men $A_1, A_2 ,A_3 ...A_n$, each aged x,
$A_1$ will die in an year and be the first to die is: ?



a) $1- (1- p)^{n-1}$



b)$(1-p)^n$



c) $dfrac 1n [1- (1-p)^n]$



d) $dfrac 1n (1-p)^n$




Attempt:



Order of dying matters.



Choose $r$ out of $n-1$ and arrange them (i.e. their deaths) in $r!$ ways.



So $P(E) = ptimes{^{n-1}C_0} (1- p)^{n-1}+ p times ptimes {^{n-1}C_1} (1-p)^{n-1} + ptimes p^2 times 2!times {^{n-1}C_2} (1- p)^{n-2}+...$



$implies P(E) = p sum_{r=0}^{n-1} {^{n-1}}C_r (1-p)^{n-1-r}p^r times r!$



But this doesn't match any of the options.



Could someone please tell me where I have gone wrong?



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  • My prime focus is the mistake that I have made in solving which that question doesn't cover. therefore, please don't mark it as a duplicate.
    – Abcd
    Nov 22 at 16:15










  • @Abcd: If you look my answer below, you will notice your mistake is on $mathbb{P}[A_1 text{dies first} mid N=r]$.
    – Daniel
    Nov 22 at 16:17










  • @Daniel Didnt understand what you mean.
    – Abcd
    Nov 22 at 16:19










  • @Abcd: the actual value of $mathbb{P}[A_1 text{dies first} mid N=r]$ is $frac{1}{r+1}$, and you considered it being $r!$. The probability of $A_1$ being the first among $A_1, A_{i_1}, ldots, A_{i_r}$ is $frac{r!}{(r+1)!}$.
    – Daniel
    Nov 22 at 16:23












  • @Daniel $r!$ is for arrangement death of $A_2 , A3 ,etc$ not for $A_1$
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    Nov 22 at 16:27















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If p is the probability that a man aged x will die in a year then the
probability that out of n men $A_1, A_2 ,A_3 ...A_n$, each aged x,
$A_1$ will die in an year and be the first to die is: ?



a) $1- (1- p)^{n-1}$



b)$(1-p)^n$



c) $dfrac 1n [1- (1-p)^n]$



d) $dfrac 1n (1-p)^n$




Attempt:



Order of dying matters.



Choose $r$ out of $n-1$ and arrange them (i.e. their deaths) in $r!$ ways.



So $P(E) = ptimes{^{n-1}C_0} (1- p)^{n-1}+ p times ptimes {^{n-1}C_1} (1-p)^{n-1} + ptimes p^2 times 2!times {^{n-1}C_2} (1- p)^{n-2}+...$



$implies P(E) = p sum_{r=0}^{n-1} {^{n-1}}C_r (1-p)^{n-1-r}p^r times r!$



But this doesn't match any of the options.



Could someone please tell me where I have gone wrong?



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If p is the probability that a man aged x will die in a year then the
probability that out of n men $A_1, A_2 ,A_3 ...A_n$, each aged x,
$A_1$ will die in an year and be the first to die is: ?



a) $1- (1- p)^{n-1}$



b)$(1-p)^n$



c) $dfrac 1n [1- (1-p)^n]$



d) $dfrac 1n (1-p)^n$




Attempt:



Order of dying matters.



Choose $r$ out of $n-1$ and arrange them (i.e. their deaths) in $r!$ ways.



So $P(E) = ptimes{^{n-1}C_0} (1- p)^{n-1}+ p times ptimes {^{n-1}C_1} (1-p)^{n-1} + ptimes p^2 times 2!times {^{n-1}C_2} (1- p)^{n-2}+...$



$implies P(E) = p sum_{r=0}^{n-1} {^{n-1}}C_r (1-p)^{n-1-r}p^r times r!$



But this doesn't match any of the options.



Could someone please tell me where I have gone wrong?



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  • My prime focus is the mistake that I have made in solving which that question doesn't cover. therefore, please don't mark it as a duplicate.
    – Abcd
    Nov 22 at 16:15










  • @Abcd: If you look my answer below, you will notice your mistake is on $mathbb{P}[A_1 text{dies first} mid N=r]$.
    – Daniel
    Nov 22 at 16:17










  • @Daniel Didnt understand what you mean.
    – Abcd
    Nov 22 at 16:19










  • @Abcd: the actual value of $mathbb{P}[A_1 text{dies first} mid N=r]$ is $frac{1}{r+1}$, and you considered it being $r!$. The probability of $A_1$ being the first among $A_1, A_{i_1}, ldots, A_{i_r}$ is $frac{r!}{(r+1)!}$.
    – Daniel
    Nov 22 at 16:23












  • @Daniel $r!$ is for arrangement death of $A_2 , A3 ,etc$ not for $A_1$
    – Abcd
    Nov 22 at 16:27




















  • My prime focus is the mistake that I have made in solving which that question doesn't cover. therefore, please don't mark it as a duplicate.
    – Abcd
    Nov 22 at 16:15










  • @Abcd: If you look my answer below, you will notice your mistake is on $mathbb{P}[A_1 text{dies first} mid N=r]$.
    – Daniel
    Nov 22 at 16:17










  • @Daniel Didnt understand what you mean.
    – Abcd
    Nov 22 at 16:19










  • @Abcd: the actual value of $mathbb{P}[A_1 text{dies first} mid N=r]$ is $frac{1}{r+1}$, and you considered it being $r!$. The probability of $A_1$ being the first among $A_1, A_{i_1}, ldots, A_{i_r}$ is $frac{r!}{(r+1)!}$.
    – Daniel
    Nov 22 at 16:23












  • @Daniel $r!$ is for arrangement death of $A_2 , A3 ,etc$ not for $A_1$
    – Abcd
    Nov 22 at 16:27


















My prime focus is the mistake that I have made in solving which that question doesn't cover. therefore, please don't mark it as a duplicate.
– Abcd
Nov 22 at 16:15




My prime focus is the mistake that I have made in solving which that question doesn't cover. therefore, please don't mark it as a duplicate.
– Abcd
Nov 22 at 16:15












@Abcd: If you look my answer below, you will notice your mistake is on $mathbb{P}[A_1 text{dies first} mid N=r]$.
– Daniel
Nov 22 at 16:17




@Abcd: If you look my answer below, you will notice your mistake is on $mathbb{P}[A_1 text{dies first} mid N=r]$.
– Daniel
Nov 22 at 16:17












@Daniel Didnt understand what you mean.
– Abcd
Nov 22 at 16:19




@Daniel Didnt understand what you mean.
– Abcd
Nov 22 at 16:19












@Abcd: the actual value of $mathbb{P}[A_1 text{dies first} mid N=r]$ is $frac{1}{r+1}$, and you considered it being $r!$. The probability of $A_1$ being the first among $A_1, A_{i_1}, ldots, A_{i_r}$ is $frac{r!}{(r+1)!}$.
– Daniel
Nov 22 at 16:23






@Abcd: the actual value of $mathbb{P}[A_1 text{dies first} mid N=r]$ is $frac{1}{r+1}$, and you considered it being $r!$. The probability of $A_1$ being the first among $A_1, A_{i_1}, ldots, A_{i_r}$ is $frac{r!}{(r+1)!}$.
– Daniel
Nov 22 at 16:23














@Daniel $r!$ is for arrangement death of $A_2 , A3 ,etc$ not for $A_1$
– Abcd
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@Daniel $r!$ is for arrangement death of $A_2 , A3 ,etc$ not for $A_1$
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Your expression is almost correct. Let $N$ be the number of deaths out of $A_2, ldots, A_n$. We know that $A_1$ must die. After that, we decompose the event with respect to $N$ (notice we are assuming all deaths are independent) and use that given $N = r$, the probability that the first to die is $A_1$ is $frac{1}{r+1}$ (here assuming that any order of deaths is equally likely). Thus:
begin{align*}
mathbb{P}[text{given event}]
&= mathbb{P}[A_1 text{dies}] cdot sum_{r=0}^{n-1} mathbb{P}[N=r] cdot mathbb{P}[A_1 text{dies first} mid N=r]\
&= p cdot sum_{r=0}^{n-1} binom{n-1}{r} p^r (1-p)^{n-1-r} cdot frac{1}{r+1}
end{align*}

To simplify the expression above, we notice that
$$
binom{n-1}{r}frac{1}{r+1} = frac1n binom{n}{r+1}.
$$

From the above, we can write
begin{align*}
mathbb{P}[text{given event}]
&= frac{1}{n} cdot sum_{r=0}^{n-1} binom{n}{r+1} p^{r+1} (1-p)^{n-1-r} \
&= frac1n [(p + (1-p))^n - (1-p)^n] = frac1n [1 - (1-p)^n].
end{align*}






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    They probability for a person aged $x$ to not die is $1-p$. Hence, the probability that none of them is $(1-p)^n$. Therefore, the probability that at least one of them will die is $1-(1-p)^n$. SInce every one of them has the same probability to be that first person (as all are identical), it being $A_1$ has probability ${1 over n}[1-(1-p)^n]$.



    Hence, option $(c)$ is correct.






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    • OK, but what's my mistake?
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      Your reasoning gives the same answer than mine. However, I got a bit confused here. We have $1 - (1-p)^n$ is the probability of someone dying (we have no control over who is dead and who is not). The question especifically states that $A_1$ must die. How is this reasoning ensuring it?
      – Daniel
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    • And have you accounted for the fact that A1 has to be the first to die
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    • @Daniel The logic is that since all of the $n$ persons are identical and no one has any special properties, means that all have same probability to be that person.
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      Nov 22 at 16:17






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      @SinTan1729: I see the reasoning, and yet there is something misterious about it.
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    Your expression is almost correct. Let $N$ be the number of deaths out of $A_2, ldots, A_n$. We know that $A_1$ must die. After that, we decompose the event with respect to $N$ (notice we are assuming all deaths are independent) and use that given $N = r$, the probability that the first to die is $A_1$ is $frac{1}{r+1}$ (here assuming that any order of deaths is equally likely). Thus:
    begin{align*}
    mathbb{P}[text{given event}]
    &= mathbb{P}[A_1 text{dies}] cdot sum_{r=0}^{n-1} mathbb{P}[N=r] cdot mathbb{P}[A_1 text{dies first} mid N=r]\
    &= p cdot sum_{r=0}^{n-1} binom{n-1}{r} p^r (1-p)^{n-1-r} cdot frac{1}{r+1}
    end{align*}

    To simplify the expression above, we notice that
    $$
    binom{n-1}{r}frac{1}{r+1} = frac1n binom{n}{r+1}.
    $$

    From the above, we can write
    begin{align*}
    mathbb{P}[text{given event}]
    &= frac{1}{n} cdot sum_{r=0}^{n-1} binom{n}{r+1} p^{r+1} (1-p)^{n-1-r} \
    &= frac1n [(p + (1-p))^n - (1-p)^n] = frac1n [1 - (1-p)^n].
    end{align*}






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      Your expression is almost correct. Let $N$ be the number of deaths out of $A_2, ldots, A_n$. We know that $A_1$ must die. After that, we decompose the event with respect to $N$ (notice we are assuming all deaths are independent) and use that given $N = r$, the probability that the first to die is $A_1$ is $frac{1}{r+1}$ (here assuming that any order of deaths is equally likely). Thus:
      begin{align*}
      mathbb{P}[text{given event}]
      &= mathbb{P}[A_1 text{dies}] cdot sum_{r=0}^{n-1} mathbb{P}[N=r] cdot mathbb{P}[A_1 text{dies first} mid N=r]\
      &= p cdot sum_{r=0}^{n-1} binom{n-1}{r} p^r (1-p)^{n-1-r} cdot frac{1}{r+1}
      end{align*}

      To simplify the expression above, we notice that
      $$
      binom{n-1}{r}frac{1}{r+1} = frac1n binom{n}{r+1}.
      $$

      From the above, we can write
      begin{align*}
      mathbb{P}[text{given event}]
      &= frac{1}{n} cdot sum_{r=0}^{n-1} binom{n}{r+1} p^{r+1} (1-p)^{n-1-r} \
      &= frac1n [(p + (1-p))^n - (1-p)^n] = frac1n [1 - (1-p)^n].
      end{align*}






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        Your expression is almost correct. Let $N$ be the number of deaths out of $A_2, ldots, A_n$. We know that $A_1$ must die. After that, we decompose the event with respect to $N$ (notice we are assuming all deaths are independent) and use that given $N = r$, the probability that the first to die is $A_1$ is $frac{1}{r+1}$ (here assuming that any order of deaths is equally likely). Thus:
        begin{align*}
        mathbb{P}[text{given event}]
        &= mathbb{P}[A_1 text{dies}] cdot sum_{r=0}^{n-1} mathbb{P}[N=r] cdot mathbb{P}[A_1 text{dies first} mid N=r]\
        &= p cdot sum_{r=0}^{n-1} binom{n-1}{r} p^r (1-p)^{n-1-r} cdot frac{1}{r+1}
        end{align*}

        To simplify the expression above, we notice that
        $$
        binom{n-1}{r}frac{1}{r+1} = frac1n binom{n}{r+1}.
        $$

        From the above, we can write
        begin{align*}
        mathbb{P}[text{given event}]
        &= frac{1}{n} cdot sum_{r=0}^{n-1} binom{n}{r+1} p^{r+1} (1-p)^{n-1-r} \
        &= frac1n [(p + (1-p))^n - (1-p)^n] = frac1n [1 - (1-p)^n].
        end{align*}






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        Your expression is almost correct. Let $N$ be the number of deaths out of $A_2, ldots, A_n$. We know that $A_1$ must die. After that, we decompose the event with respect to $N$ (notice we are assuming all deaths are independent) and use that given $N = r$, the probability that the first to die is $A_1$ is $frac{1}{r+1}$ (here assuming that any order of deaths is equally likely). Thus:
        begin{align*}
        mathbb{P}[text{given event}]
        &= mathbb{P}[A_1 text{dies}] cdot sum_{r=0}^{n-1} mathbb{P}[N=r] cdot mathbb{P}[A_1 text{dies first} mid N=r]\
        &= p cdot sum_{r=0}^{n-1} binom{n-1}{r} p^r (1-p)^{n-1-r} cdot frac{1}{r+1}
        end{align*}

        To simplify the expression above, we notice that
        $$
        binom{n-1}{r}frac{1}{r+1} = frac1n binom{n}{r+1}.
        $$

        From the above, we can write
        begin{align*}
        mathbb{P}[text{given event}]
        &= frac{1}{n} cdot sum_{r=0}^{n-1} binom{n}{r+1} p^{r+1} (1-p)^{n-1-r} \
        &= frac1n [(p + (1-p))^n - (1-p)^n] = frac1n [1 - (1-p)^n].
        end{align*}







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            They probability for a person aged $x$ to not die is $1-p$. Hence, the probability that none of them is $(1-p)^n$. Therefore, the probability that at least one of them will die is $1-(1-p)^n$. SInce every one of them has the same probability to be that first person (as all are identical), it being $A_1$ has probability ${1 over n}[1-(1-p)^n]$.



            Hence, option $(c)$ is correct.






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            • OK, but what's my mistake?
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              Nov 22 at 16:14






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              Your reasoning gives the same answer than mine. However, I got a bit confused here. We have $1 - (1-p)^n$ is the probability of someone dying (we have no control over who is dead and who is not). The question especifically states that $A_1$ must die. How is this reasoning ensuring it?
              – Daniel
              Nov 22 at 16:15










            • And have you accounted for the fact that A1 has to be the first to die
              – Abcd
              Nov 22 at 16:16










            • @Daniel The logic is that since all of the $n$ persons are identical and no one has any special properties, means that all have same probability to be that person.
              – SinTan1729
              Nov 22 at 16:17






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              @SinTan1729: I see the reasoning, and yet there is something misterious about it.
              – Daniel
              Nov 22 at 16:19















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            They probability for a person aged $x$ to not die is $1-p$. Hence, the probability that none of them is $(1-p)^n$. Therefore, the probability that at least one of them will die is $1-(1-p)^n$. SInce every one of them has the same probability to be that first person (as all are identical), it being $A_1$ has probability ${1 over n}[1-(1-p)^n]$.



            Hence, option $(c)$ is correct.






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            • OK, but what's my mistake?
              – Abcd
              Nov 22 at 16:14






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              Your reasoning gives the same answer than mine. However, I got a bit confused here. We have $1 - (1-p)^n$ is the probability of someone dying (we have no control over who is dead and who is not). The question especifically states that $A_1$ must die. How is this reasoning ensuring it?
              – Daniel
              Nov 22 at 16:15










            • And have you accounted for the fact that A1 has to be the first to die
              – Abcd
              Nov 22 at 16:16










            • @Daniel The logic is that since all of the $n$ persons are identical and no one has any special properties, means that all have same probability to be that person.
              – SinTan1729
              Nov 22 at 16:17






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              @SinTan1729: I see the reasoning, and yet there is something misterious about it.
              – Daniel
              Nov 22 at 16:19













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            They probability for a person aged $x$ to not die is $1-p$. Hence, the probability that none of them is $(1-p)^n$. Therefore, the probability that at least one of them will die is $1-(1-p)^n$. SInce every one of them has the same probability to be that first person (as all are identical), it being $A_1$ has probability ${1 over n}[1-(1-p)^n]$.



            Hence, option $(c)$ is correct.






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            They probability for a person aged $x$ to not die is $1-p$. Hence, the probability that none of them is $(1-p)^n$. Therefore, the probability that at least one of them will die is $1-(1-p)^n$. SInce every one of them has the same probability to be that first person (as all are identical), it being $A_1$ has probability ${1 over n}[1-(1-p)^n]$.



            Hence, option $(c)$ is correct.







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            • OK, but what's my mistake?
              – Abcd
              Nov 22 at 16:14






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              Your reasoning gives the same answer than mine. However, I got a bit confused here. We have $1 - (1-p)^n$ is the probability of someone dying (we have no control over who is dead and who is not). The question especifically states that $A_1$ must die. How is this reasoning ensuring it?
              – Daniel
              Nov 22 at 16:15










            • And have you accounted for the fact that A1 has to be the first to die
              – Abcd
              Nov 22 at 16:16










            • @Daniel The logic is that since all of the $n$ persons are identical and no one has any special properties, means that all have same probability to be that person.
              – SinTan1729
              Nov 22 at 16:17






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              @SinTan1729: I see the reasoning, and yet there is something misterious about it.
              – Daniel
              Nov 22 at 16:19


















            • OK, but what's my mistake?
              – Abcd
              Nov 22 at 16:14






            • 1




              Your reasoning gives the same answer than mine. However, I got a bit confused here. We have $1 - (1-p)^n$ is the probability of someone dying (we have no control over who is dead and who is not). The question especifically states that $A_1$ must die. How is this reasoning ensuring it?
              – Daniel
              Nov 22 at 16:15










            • And have you accounted for the fact that A1 has to be the first to die
              – Abcd
              Nov 22 at 16:16










            • @Daniel The logic is that since all of the $n$ persons are identical and no one has any special properties, means that all have same probability to be that person.
              – SinTan1729
              Nov 22 at 16:17






            • 1




              @SinTan1729: I see the reasoning, and yet there is something misterious about it.
              – Daniel
              Nov 22 at 16:19
















            OK, but what's my mistake?
            – Abcd
            Nov 22 at 16:14




            OK, but what's my mistake?
            – Abcd
            Nov 22 at 16:14




            1




            1




            Your reasoning gives the same answer than mine. However, I got a bit confused here. We have $1 - (1-p)^n$ is the probability of someone dying (we have no control over who is dead and who is not). The question especifically states that $A_1$ must die. How is this reasoning ensuring it?
            – Daniel
            Nov 22 at 16:15




            Your reasoning gives the same answer than mine. However, I got a bit confused here. We have $1 - (1-p)^n$ is the probability of someone dying (we have no control over who is dead and who is not). The question especifically states that $A_1$ must die. How is this reasoning ensuring it?
            – Daniel
            Nov 22 at 16:15












            And have you accounted for the fact that A1 has to be the first to die
            – Abcd
            Nov 22 at 16:16




            And have you accounted for the fact that A1 has to be the first to die
            – Abcd
            Nov 22 at 16:16












            @Daniel The logic is that since all of the $n$ persons are identical and no one has any special properties, means that all have same probability to be that person.
            – SinTan1729
            Nov 22 at 16:17




            @Daniel The logic is that since all of the $n$ persons are identical and no one has any special properties, means that all have same probability to be that person.
            – SinTan1729
            Nov 22 at 16:17




            1




            1




            @SinTan1729: I see the reasoning, and yet there is something misterious about it.
            – Daniel
            Nov 22 at 16:19




            @SinTan1729: I see the reasoning, and yet there is something misterious about it.
            – Daniel
            Nov 22 at 16:19



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