Area of a triangle inside an ellipse
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$F_1$, $F_2$ are are foci of the ellipse $dfrac{x^2}{9}+dfrac{y^2}{4}=1$.
$P$ is a point on the ellipse such that $|PF_1|:|PF_2|=2:1;$, then how could I figure out of the area of $∆PF_1F_2$?
As we know $c^2=a^2-b^2=9-4=5$,
$$∴c=pm sqrt5$$ So the epicenter of the ellipse respectively $(sqrt5,0); & ;(-sqrt5,0)$.
We've to find the area of $∆PF_1F_2$ which is $=1/2times F_1F_2times$(perpendicular distance from $P$ to any point of the horizontal line $F_1F_2$)
I'm not understanding what & how to do next... find out the area of ∆PF₁F₂
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$F_1$, $F_2$ are are foci of the ellipse $dfrac{x^2}{9}+dfrac{y^2}{4}=1$.
$P$ is a point on the ellipse such that $|PF_1|:|PF_2|=2:1;$, then how could I figure out of the area of $∆PF_1F_2$?
As we know $c^2=a^2-b^2=9-4=5$,
$$∴c=pm sqrt5$$ So the epicenter of the ellipse respectively $(sqrt5,0); & ;(-sqrt5,0)$.
We've to find the area of $∆PF_1F_2$ which is $=1/2times F_1F_2times$(perpendicular distance from $P$ to any point of the horizontal line $F_1F_2$)
I'm not understanding what & how to do next... find out the area of ∆PF₁F₂
calculus triangle conic-sections area
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Hint: $|PF_1|^2 + |PF_2|^2 = 4^2 + 2^2 = 20 = |F_1F_2|^2$
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$F_1$, $F_2$ are are foci of the ellipse $dfrac{x^2}{9}+dfrac{y^2}{4}=1$.
$P$ is a point on the ellipse such that $|PF_1|:|PF_2|=2:1;$, then how could I figure out of the area of $∆PF_1F_2$?
As we know $c^2=a^2-b^2=9-4=5$,
$$∴c=pm sqrt5$$ So the epicenter of the ellipse respectively $(sqrt5,0); & ;(-sqrt5,0)$.
We've to find the area of $∆PF_1F_2$ which is $=1/2times F_1F_2times$(perpendicular distance from $P$ to any point of the horizontal line $F_1F_2$)
I'm not understanding what & how to do next... find out the area of ∆PF₁F₂
calculus triangle conic-sections area
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$F_1$, $F_2$ are are foci of the ellipse $dfrac{x^2}{9}+dfrac{y^2}{4}=1$.
$P$ is a point on the ellipse such that $|PF_1|:|PF_2|=2:1;$, then how could I figure out of the area of $∆PF_1F_2$?
As we know $c^2=a^2-b^2=9-4=5$,
$$∴c=pm sqrt5$$ So the epicenter of the ellipse respectively $(sqrt5,0); & ;(-sqrt5,0)$.
We've to find the area of $∆PF_1F_2$ which is $=1/2times F_1F_2times$(perpendicular distance from $P$ to any point of the horizontal line $F_1F_2$)
I'm not understanding what & how to do next... find out the area of ∆PF₁F₂
calculus triangle conic-sections area
calculus triangle conic-sections area
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Hint: $|PF_1|^2 + |PF_2|^2 = 4^2 + 2^2 = 20 = |F_1F_2|^2$
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Hint: $|PF_1|^2 + |PF_2|^2 = 4^2 + 2^2 = 20 = |F_1F_2|^2$
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Hint: $|PF_1|^2 + |PF_2|^2 = 4^2 + 2^2 = 20 = |F_1F_2|^2$
– achille hui
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Hint: $|PF_1|^2 + |PF_2|^2 = 4^2 + 2^2 = 20 = |F_1F_2|^2$
– achille hui
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Referring to the graph:
$hspace{2cm}$
Note that $|PF_1|+|PF_2|=|AF_1|+|AF_2|=2a=6$. Using the given condition $|PF_1|=2|PF_2|$, we find $|PF_1|=4, |PF_2|=2$. You can use Heron's formula to find the area of $Delta PF_1F_2$:
$$ a=|PF_1|=4, b=|PF_2|=2, c=|F_1F_2|=2sqrt{5}, p=frac{a+b+c}{2}=3+sqrt{5}; \
S=sqrt{p(p-a)(p-b)(p-c)}=sqrt{(3+sqrt{5})(sqrt{5}-1)(sqrt{5}+1)(3-sqrt{5})}=4.$$
I don't know how should I give you thanks...your answer helps me very much.... ❤❤❤
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You are welcome. Note that achille hui hinted to the Pythagoras theorem, implying the triange was right. Good luck.
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With the use of the definition of ellipse $$|PF_1|+|PF_2|=2a=6$$ and the given ratio $$|PF_1|:|PF_2|=2:1,$$ we get $$|PF_1|=4, ; |PF_2|=2$$
Since $F_1F_2=2sqrt 5=sqrt{20}=sqrt{4^2+2^2},$ we have a right triangle $triangle PF_1F_2$ with hypotenuse $F_1F_2.$ The area is $$mathcal{A}=frac 12 cdot |PF_1|cdot |PF_2|=4$$
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Hint:
WLOG $P(3cos t,2sin t)$
$$|PF_1|^2=(3cos t-sqrt5)^2+(2sin t-0)^2=?$$
$$|PF_2|^2=(3cos t+sqrt5)^2+(2sin t-0)^2=?$$
$$dfrac{|PF_1|^2}{|PF_2|^2}=2^2$$
Use $sin^2t=1-cos^2t$ to form a Quadratic Equation in $cos t$
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Referring to the graph:
$hspace{2cm}$
Note that $|PF_1|+|PF_2|=|AF_1|+|AF_2|=2a=6$. Using the given condition $|PF_1|=2|PF_2|$, we find $|PF_1|=4, |PF_2|=2$. You can use Heron's formula to find the area of $Delta PF_1F_2$:
$$ a=|PF_1|=4, b=|PF_2|=2, c=|F_1F_2|=2sqrt{5}, p=frac{a+b+c}{2}=3+sqrt{5}; \
S=sqrt{p(p-a)(p-b)(p-c)}=sqrt{(3+sqrt{5})(sqrt{5}-1)(sqrt{5}+1)(3-sqrt{5})}=4.$$
I don't know how should I give you thanks...your answer helps me very much.... ❤❤❤
– RA FI
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You are welcome. Note that achille hui hinted to the Pythagoras theorem, implying the triange was right. Good luck.
– farruhota
yesterday
How could you find out the graph?any mobile apps?
– RA FI
yesterday
I used desmos for raw graph and edited it.
– farruhota
yesterday
You can also use graphing calculator.By the way how do u edit this? can I do this in mobile?
– RA FI
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Referring to the graph:
$hspace{2cm}$
Note that $|PF_1|+|PF_2|=|AF_1|+|AF_2|=2a=6$. Using the given condition $|PF_1|=2|PF_2|$, we find $|PF_1|=4, |PF_2|=2$. You can use Heron's formula to find the area of $Delta PF_1F_2$:
$$ a=|PF_1|=4, b=|PF_2|=2, c=|F_1F_2|=2sqrt{5}, p=frac{a+b+c}{2}=3+sqrt{5}; \
S=sqrt{p(p-a)(p-b)(p-c)}=sqrt{(3+sqrt{5})(sqrt{5}-1)(sqrt{5}+1)(3-sqrt{5})}=4.$$
I don't know how should I give you thanks...your answer helps me very much.... ❤❤❤
– RA FI
yesterday
You are welcome. Note that achille hui hinted to the Pythagoras theorem, implying the triange was right. Good luck.
– farruhota
yesterday
How could you find out the graph?any mobile apps?
– RA FI
yesterday
I used desmos for raw graph and edited it.
– farruhota
yesterday
You can also use graphing calculator.By the way how do u edit this? can I do this in mobile?
– RA FI
yesterday
|
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Referring to the graph:
$hspace{2cm}$
Note that $|PF_1|+|PF_2|=|AF_1|+|AF_2|=2a=6$. Using the given condition $|PF_1|=2|PF_2|$, we find $|PF_1|=4, |PF_2|=2$. You can use Heron's formula to find the area of $Delta PF_1F_2$:
$$ a=|PF_1|=4, b=|PF_2|=2, c=|F_1F_2|=2sqrt{5}, p=frac{a+b+c}{2}=3+sqrt{5}; \
S=sqrt{p(p-a)(p-b)(p-c)}=sqrt{(3+sqrt{5})(sqrt{5}-1)(sqrt{5}+1)(3-sqrt{5})}=4.$$
Referring to the graph:
$hspace{2cm}$
Note that $|PF_1|+|PF_2|=|AF_1|+|AF_2|=2a=6$. Using the given condition $|PF_1|=2|PF_2|$, we find $|PF_1|=4, |PF_2|=2$. You can use Heron's formula to find the area of $Delta PF_1F_2$:
$$ a=|PF_1|=4, b=|PF_2|=2, c=|F_1F_2|=2sqrt{5}, p=frac{a+b+c}{2}=3+sqrt{5}; \
S=sqrt{p(p-a)(p-b)(p-c)}=sqrt{(3+sqrt{5})(sqrt{5}-1)(sqrt{5}+1)(3-sqrt{5})}=4.$$
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I don't know how should I give you thanks...your answer helps me very much.... ❤❤❤
– RA FI
yesterday
You are welcome. Note that achille hui hinted to the Pythagoras theorem, implying the triange was right. Good luck.
– farruhota
yesterday
How could you find out the graph?any mobile apps?
– RA FI
yesterday
I used desmos for raw graph and edited it.
– farruhota
yesterday
You can also use graphing calculator.By the way how do u edit this? can I do this in mobile?
– RA FI
yesterday
|
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I don't know how should I give you thanks...your answer helps me very much.... ❤❤❤
– RA FI
yesterday
You are welcome. Note that achille hui hinted to the Pythagoras theorem, implying the triange was right. Good luck.
– farruhota
yesterday
How could you find out the graph?any mobile apps?
– RA FI
yesterday
I used desmos for raw graph and edited it.
– farruhota
yesterday
You can also use graphing calculator.By the way how do u edit this? can I do this in mobile?
– RA FI
yesterday
I don't know how should I give you thanks...your answer helps me very much.... ❤❤❤
– RA FI
yesterday
I don't know how should I give you thanks...your answer helps me very much.... ❤❤❤
– RA FI
yesterday
You are welcome. Note that achille hui hinted to the Pythagoras theorem, implying the triange was right. Good luck.
– farruhota
yesterday
You are welcome. Note that achille hui hinted to the Pythagoras theorem, implying the triange was right. Good luck.
– farruhota
yesterday
How could you find out the graph?any mobile apps?
– RA FI
yesterday
How could you find out the graph?any mobile apps?
– RA FI
yesterday
I used desmos for raw graph and edited it.
– farruhota
yesterday
I used desmos for raw graph and edited it.
– farruhota
yesterday
You can also use graphing calculator.By the way how do u edit this? can I do this in mobile?
– RA FI
yesterday
You can also use graphing calculator.By the way how do u edit this? can I do this in mobile?
– RA FI
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With the use of the definition of ellipse $$|PF_1|+|PF_2|=2a=6$$ and the given ratio $$|PF_1|:|PF_2|=2:1,$$ we get $$|PF_1|=4, ; |PF_2|=2$$
Since $F_1F_2=2sqrt 5=sqrt{20}=sqrt{4^2+2^2},$ we have a right triangle $triangle PF_1F_2$ with hypotenuse $F_1F_2.$ The area is $$mathcal{A}=frac 12 cdot |PF_1|cdot |PF_2|=4$$
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Oh you've done with very simple method. thanks 😍❤
– RA FI
yesterday
The school exercises often consider special (even trivial) cases :) Oh, I am reading comments and answers only now and I see there are traces indicating the same...
– user376343
yesterday
Are u talking about the emojis?😅😂
– RA FI
yesterday
My phone keyboard has this emojis.Are you using from computer?
– RA FI
yesterday
Thanks, I didn't think this could be used within MSE 🦊
– user376343
yesterday
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With the use of the definition of ellipse $$|PF_1|+|PF_2|=2a=6$$ and the given ratio $$|PF_1|:|PF_2|=2:1,$$ we get $$|PF_1|=4, ; |PF_2|=2$$
Since $F_1F_2=2sqrt 5=sqrt{20}=sqrt{4^2+2^2},$ we have a right triangle $triangle PF_1F_2$ with hypotenuse $F_1F_2.$ The area is $$mathcal{A}=frac 12 cdot |PF_1|cdot |PF_2|=4$$
1
Oh you've done with very simple method. thanks 😍❤
– RA FI
yesterday
The school exercises often consider special (even trivial) cases :) Oh, I am reading comments and answers only now and I see there are traces indicating the same...
– user376343
yesterday
Are u talking about the emojis?😅😂
– RA FI
yesterday
My phone keyboard has this emojis.Are you using from computer?
– RA FI
yesterday
Thanks, I didn't think this could be used within MSE 🦊
– user376343
yesterday
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With the use of the definition of ellipse $$|PF_1|+|PF_2|=2a=6$$ and the given ratio $$|PF_1|:|PF_2|=2:1,$$ we get $$|PF_1|=4, ; |PF_2|=2$$
Since $F_1F_2=2sqrt 5=sqrt{20}=sqrt{4^2+2^2},$ we have a right triangle $triangle PF_1F_2$ with hypotenuse $F_1F_2.$ The area is $$mathcal{A}=frac 12 cdot |PF_1|cdot |PF_2|=4$$
With the use of the definition of ellipse $$|PF_1|+|PF_2|=2a=6$$ and the given ratio $$|PF_1|:|PF_2|=2:1,$$ we get $$|PF_1|=4, ; |PF_2|=2$$
Since $F_1F_2=2sqrt 5=sqrt{20}=sqrt{4^2+2^2},$ we have a right triangle $triangle PF_1F_2$ with hypotenuse $F_1F_2.$ The area is $$mathcal{A}=frac 12 cdot |PF_1|cdot |PF_2|=4$$
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Oh you've done with very simple method. thanks 😍❤
– RA FI
yesterday
The school exercises often consider special (even trivial) cases :) Oh, I am reading comments and answers only now and I see there are traces indicating the same...
– user376343
yesterday
Are u talking about the emojis?😅😂
– RA FI
yesterday
My phone keyboard has this emojis.Are you using from computer?
– RA FI
yesterday
Thanks, I didn't think this could be used within MSE 🦊
– user376343
yesterday
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Oh you've done with very simple method. thanks 😍❤
– RA FI
yesterday
The school exercises often consider special (even trivial) cases :) Oh, I am reading comments and answers only now and I see there are traces indicating the same...
– user376343
yesterday
Are u talking about the emojis?😅😂
– RA FI
yesterday
My phone keyboard has this emojis.Are you using from computer?
– RA FI
yesterday
Thanks, I didn't think this could be used within MSE 🦊
– user376343
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Oh you've done with very simple method. thanks 😍❤
– RA FI
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Oh you've done with very simple method. thanks 😍❤
– RA FI
yesterday
The school exercises often consider special (even trivial) cases :) Oh, I am reading comments and answers only now and I see there are traces indicating the same...
– user376343
yesterday
The school exercises often consider special (even trivial) cases :) Oh, I am reading comments and answers only now and I see there are traces indicating the same...
– user376343
yesterday
Are u talking about the emojis?😅😂
– RA FI
yesterday
Are u talking about the emojis?😅😂
– RA FI
yesterday
My phone keyboard has this emojis.Are you using from computer?
– RA FI
yesterday
My phone keyboard has this emojis.Are you using from computer?
– RA FI
yesterday
Thanks, I didn't think this could be used within MSE 🦊
– user376343
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Thanks, I didn't think this could be used within MSE 🦊
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Hint:
WLOG $P(3cos t,2sin t)$
$$|PF_1|^2=(3cos t-sqrt5)^2+(2sin t-0)^2=?$$
$$|PF_2|^2=(3cos t+sqrt5)^2+(2sin t-0)^2=?$$
$$dfrac{|PF_1|^2}{|PF_2|^2}=2^2$$
Use $sin^2t=1-cos^2t$ to form a Quadratic Equation in $cos t$
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Hint:
WLOG $P(3cos t,2sin t)$
$$|PF_1|^2=(3cos t-sqrt5)^2+(2sin t-0)^2=?$$
$$|PF_2|^2=(3cos t+sqrt5)^2+(2sin t-0)^2=?$$
$$dfrac{|PF_1|^2}{|PF_2|^2}=2^2$$
Use $sin^2t=1-cos^2t$ to form a Quadratic Equation in $cos t$
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Hint:
WLOG $P(3cos t,2sin t)$
$$|PF_1|^2=(3cos t-sqrt5)^2+(2sin t-0)^2=?$$
$$|PF_2|^2=(3cos t+sqrt5)^2+(2sin t-0)^2=?$$
$$dfrac{|PF_1|^2}{|PF_2|^2}=2^2$$
Use $sin^2t=1-cos^2t$ to form a Quadratic Equation in $cos t$
Hint:
WLOG $P(3cos t,2sin t)$
$$|PF_1|^2=(3cos t-sqrt5)^2+(2sin t-0)^2=?$$
$$|PF_2|^2=(3cos t+sqrt5)^2+(2sin t-0)^2=?$$
$$dfrac{|PF_1|^2}{|PF_2|^2}=2^2$$
Use $sin^2t=1-cos^2t$ to form a Quadratic Equation in $cos t$
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Hint: $|PF_1|^2 + |PF_2|^2 = 4^2 + 2^2 = 20 = |F_1F_2|^2$
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