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If $Hvec{x}=vec{y}$ can we find $H$ by inverting $vec{x}$? No idea how to invert $vec{x}$ though or if this equation is even solvable.










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    – Saucy O'Path
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  • Given you are in a flight (unknown) can you say it will take you from your current location (known) to Tokyo? Your question can be considered equivalent to this one in some sense.
    – P Vanchinathan
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  • Given you are in a flight (unknown) can you say it will take you from your current location (known) to Tokyo? Your question can be considered equivalent to this one in some sense.
    – P Vanchinathan
    Nov 21 at 13:07








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No.${}{}{}{}{}{}$
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Given you are in a flight (unknown) can you say it will take you from your current location (known) to Tokyo? Your question can be considered equivalent to this one in some sense.
– P Vanchinathan
Nov 21 at 13:07




Given you are in a flight (unknown) can you say it will take you from your current location (known) to Tokyo? Your question can be considered equivalent to this one in some sense.
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Let $H_{ij}$ denote the elements of the $mtimes n$-matrix $H$. Then you are asking to solutions of the following linear system of equations:



$$sum_{k=1}^n H_{1k}x_k = y_1$$
$$sum_{k=1}^n H_{2k}x_k = y_2$$



and so on, with the final equation being



$$sum_{k=1}^n H_{mk}x_k = y_m$$



Obviously, we have $ntimes m$ unknown elements (the entries of the matrix $H$) and only $m$ equations. This is, in general, not solveable uniquely.






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    For every vector $vec{x}$ exist a non zero vector $vec{z}$ such that $vec x cdotvec z=0$. Then we can build a new matrix $K$ with as many rows as number of $vec y$ coordinates and each row of $K$ coincides with $vec z$. Then
    $$
    Kvec x=0\
    (H+K)vec x=vec y\
    H+Kneq H
    $$

    then your statement is false because for every $vec x, vec y$ there aren't a single $H$ (there're infinitely many of them).



    For example
    $$
    H=left(begin{array}{cc}
    1 & 1\
    0 & 1
    end{array}right)\
    vec x=left(begin{array}{c}
    1\
    2
    end{array}right)\
    vec y=left(begin{array}{c}
    3\
    2
    end{array}right)\
    vec z=left(begin{array}{c}
    2\
    -1
    end{array}right)\
    K=left(begin{array}{cc}
    2 & -1\
    2 & -1
    end{array}right)\
    H+K=left(begin{array}{cc}
    3 & 0\
    2 & 0
    end{array}right)\
    (H+K)vec x=left(begin{array}{c}
    3\
    2
    end{array}right)=vec y
    $$






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      Let $H_{ij}$ denote the elements of the $mtimes n$-matrix $H$. Then you are asking to solutions of the following linear system of equations:



      $$sum_{k=1}^n H_{1k}x_k = y_1$$
      $$sum_{k=1}^n H_{2k}x_k = y_2$$



      and so on, with the final equation being



      $$sum_{k=1}^n H_{mk}x_k = y_m$$



      Obviously, we have $ntimes m$ unknown elements (the entries of the matrix $H$) and only $m$ equations. This is, in general, not solveable uniquely.






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        Let $H_{ij}$ denote the elements of the $mtimes n$-matrix $H$. Then you are asking to solutions of the following linear system of equations:



        $$sum_{k=1}^n H_{1k}x_k = y_1$$
        $$sum_{k=1}^n H_{2k}x_k = y_2$$



        and so on, with the final equation being



        $$sum_{k=1}^n H_{mk}x_k = y_m$$



        Obviously, we have $ntimes m$ unknown elements (the entries of the matrix $H$) and only $m$ equations. This is, in general, not solveable uniquely.






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          Let $H_{ij}$ denote the elements of the $mtimes n$-matrix $H$. Then you are asking to solutions of the following linear system of equations:



          $$sum_{k=1}^n H_{1k}x_k = y_1$$
          $$sum_{k=1}^n H_{2k}x_k = y_2$$



          and so on, with the final equation being



          $$sum_{k=1}^n H_{mk}x_k = y_m$$



          Obviously, we have $ntimes m$ unknown elements (the entries of the matrix $H$) and only $m$ equations. This is, in general, not solveable uniquely.






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          Let $H_{ij}$ denote the elements of the $mtimes n$-matrix $H$. Then you are asking to solutions of the following linear system of equations:



          $$sum_{k=1}^n H_{1k}x_k = y_1$$
          $$sum_{k=1}^n H_{2k}x_k = y_2$$



          and so on, with the final equation being



          $$sum_{k=1}^n H_{mk}x_k = y_m$$



          Obviously, we have $ntimes m$ unknown elements (the entries of the matrix $H$) and only $m$ equations. This is, in general, not solveable uniquely.







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              For every vector $vec{x}$ exist a non zero vector $vec{z}$ such that $vec x cdotvec z=0$. Then we can build a new matrix $K$ with as many rows as number of $vec y$ coordinates and each row of $K$ coincides with $vec z$. Then
              $$
              Kvec x=0\
              (H+K)vec x=vec y\
              H+Kneq H
              $$

              then your statement is false because for every $vec x, vec y$ there aren't a single $H$ (there're infinitely many of them).



              For example
              $$
              H=left(begin{array}{cc}
              1 & 1\
              0 & 1
              end{array}right)\
              vec x=left(begin{array}{c}
              1\
              2
              end{array}right)\
              vec y=left(begin{array}{c}
              3\
              2
              end{array}right)\
              vec z=left(begin{array}{c}
              2\
              -1
              end{array}right)\
              K=left(begin{array}{cc}
              2 & -1\
              2 & -1
              end{array}right)\
              H+K=left(begin{array}{cc}
              3 & 0\
              2 & 0
              end{array}right)\
              (H+K)vec x=left(begin{array}{c}
              3\
              2
              end{array}right)=vec y
              $$






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                For every vector $vec{x}$ exist a non zero vector $vec{z}$ such that $vec x cdotvec z=0$. Then we can build a new matrix $K$ with as many rows as number of $vec y$ coordinates and each row of $K$ coincides with $vec z$. Then
                $$
                Kvec x=0\
                (H+K)vec x=vec y\
                H+Kneq H
                $$

                then your statement is false because for every $vec x, vec y$ there aren't a single $H$ (there're infinitely many of them).



                For example
                $$
                H=left(begin{array}{cc}
                1 & 1\
                0 & 1
                end{array}right)\
                vec x=left(begin{array}{c}
                1\
                2
                end{array}right)\
                vec y=left(begin{array}{c}
                3\
                2
                end{array}right)\
                vec z=left(begin{array}{c}
                2\
                -1
                end{array}right)\
                K=left(begin{array}{cc}
                2 & -1\
                2 & -1
                end{array}right)\
                H+K=left(begin{array}{cc}
                3 & 0\
                2 & 0
                end{array}right)\
                (H+K)vec x=left(begin{array}{c}
                3\
                2
                end{array}right)=vec y
                $$






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                  For every vector $vec{x}$ exist a non zero vector $vec{z}$ such that $vec x cdotvec z=0$. Then we can build a new matrix $K$ with as many rows as number of $vec y$ coordinates and each row of $K$ coincides with $vec z$. Then
                  $$
                  Kvec x=0\
                  (H+K)vec x=vec y\
                  H+Kneq H
                  $$

                  then your statement is false because for every $vec x, vec y$ there aren't a single $H$ (there're infinitely many of them).



                  For example
                  $$
                  H=left(begin{array}{cc}
                  1 & 1\
                  0 & 1
                  end{array}right)\
                  vec x=left(begin{array}{c}
                  1\
                  2
                  end{array}right)\
                  vec y=left(begin{array}{c}
                  3\
                  2
                  end{array}right)\
                  vec z=left(begin{array}{c}
                  2\
                  -1
                  end{array}right)\
                  K=left(begin{array}{cc}
                  2 & -1\
                  2 & -1
                  end{array}right)\
                  H+K=left(begin{array}{cc}
                  3 & 0\
                  2 & 0
                  end{array}right)\
                  (H+K)vec x=left(begin{array}{c}
                  3\
                  2
                  end{array}right)=vec y
                  $$






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                  For every vector $vec{x}$ exist a non zero vector $vec{z}$ such that $vec x cdotvec z=0$. Then we can build a new matrix $K$ with as many rows as number of $vec y$ coordinates and each row of $K$ coincides with $vec z$. Then
                  $$
                  Kvec x=0\
                  (H+K)vec x=vec y\
                  H+Kneq H
                  $$

                  then your statement is false because for every $vec x, vec y$ there aren't a single $H$ (there're infinitely many of them).



                  For example
                  $$
                  H=left(begin{array}{cc}
                  1 & 1\
                  0 & 1
                  end{array}right)\
                  vec x=left(begin{array}{c}
                  1\
                  2
                  end{array}right)\
                  vec y=left(begin{array}{c}
                  3\
                  2
                  end{array}right)\
                  vec z=left(begin{array}{c}
                  2\
                  -1
                  end{array}right)\
                  K=left(begin{array}{cc}
                  2 & -1\
                  2 & -1
                  end{array}right)\
                  H+K=left(begin{array}{cc}
                  3 & 0\
                  2 & 0
                  end{array}right)\
                  (H+K)vec x=left(begin{array}{c}
                  3\
                  2
                  end{array}right)=vec y
                  $$







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