Prove B is a proper subset of A











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I'm revising for an exam and encountered the problem above (sorry about the imgur link, site won't let me add the picture!) I'm just wondering if this is a valid way of solving this problem:



Subset proof:
begin{align}
12b+7 &= 4a+3\
4(3b+1)+3 &= 4a+3
end{align}



Take $a$ to be $(3b+1)$



Therefore, $4a+3=4a+3$



Hence $B subseteq A$



Proper subset proof:
begin{align}
4(0)+3 &= 3\
12(0)+7 &= 7\
12(-1)+7 &= -5
end{align}

Therefore, as the the domain of $m$ is $> 7$ and $< -5$, it cannot produce the element $3$



Hence $B subset A$.



Thanks so much for your help! Sorry if this question seems a bit rushed, I don't have much time so spare, thanks!










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  • The "proof" is a pile of bones with no connective tissue: No quantifiers, no "$implies$" and hence no clear explanation of how the conclusion $Bsubseteq A$ is reached.
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enter image description here



Hey Guys!



I'm revising for an exam and encountered the problem above (sorry about the imgur link, site won't let me add the picture!) I'm just wondering if this is a valid way of solving this problem:



Subset proof:
begin{align}
12b+7 &= 4a+3\
4(3b+1)+3 &= 4a+3
end{align}



Take $a$ to be $(3b+1)$



Therefore, $4a+3=4a+3$



Hence $B subseteq A$



Proper subset proof:
begin{align}
4(0)+3 &= 3\
12(0)+7 &= 7\
12(-1)+7 &= -5
end{align}

Therefore, as the the domain of $m$ is $> 7$ and $< -5$, it cannot produce the element $3$



Hence $B subset A$.



Thanks so much for your help! Sorry if this question seems a bit rushed, I don't have much time so spare, thanks!










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  • The "proof" is a pile of bones with no connective tissue: No quantifiers, no "$implies$" and hence no clear explanation of how the conclusion $Bsubseteq A$ is reached.
    – DanielWainfleet
    2 days ago















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enter image description here



Hey Guys!



I'm revising for an exam and encountered the problem above (sorry about the imgur link, site won't let me add the picture!) I'm just wondering if this is a valid way of solving this problem:



Subset proof:
begin{align}
12b+7 &= 4a+3\
4(3b+1)+3 &= 4a+3
end{align}



Take $a$ to be $(3b+1)$



Therefore, $4a+3=4a+3$



Hence $B subseteq A$



Proper subset proof:
begin{align}
4(0)+3 &= 3\
12(0)+7 &= 7\
12(-1)+7 &= -5
end{align}

Therefore, as the the domain of $m$ is $> 7$ and $< -5$, it cannot produce the element $3$



Hence $B subset A$.



Thanks so much for your help! Sorry if this question seems a bit rushed, I don't have much time so spare, thanks!










share|cite|improve this question















enter image description here



Hey Guys!



I'm revising for an exam and encountered the problem above (sorry about the imgur link, site won't let me add the picture!) I'm just wondering if this is a valid way of solving this problem:



Subset proof:
begin{align}
12b+7 &= 4a+3\
4(3b+1)+3 &= 4a+3
end{align}



Take $a$ to be $(3b+1)$



Therefore, $4a+3=4a+3$



Hence $B subseteq A$



Proper subset proof:
begin{align}
4(0)+3 &= 3\
12(0)+7 &= 7\
12(-1)+7 &= -5
end{align}

Therefore, as the the domain of $m$ is $> 7$ and $< -5$, it cannot produce the element $3$



Hence $B subset A$.



Thanks so much for your help! Sorry if this question seems a bit rushed, I don't have much time so spare, thanks!







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  • The "proof" is a pile of bones with no connective tissue: No quantifiers, no "$implies$" and hence no clear explanation of how the conclusion $Bsubseteq A$ is reached.
    – DanielWainfleet
    2 days ago




















  • The "proof" is a pile of bones with no connective tissue: No quantifiers, no "$implies$" and hence no clear explanation of how the conclusion $Bsubseteq A$ is reached.
    – DanielWainfleet
    2 days ago


















The "proof" is a pile of bones with no connective tissue: No quantifiers, no "$implies$" and hence no clear explanation of how the conclusion $Bsubseteq A$ is reached.
– DanielWainfleet
2 days ago






The "proof" is a pile of bones with no connective tissue: No quantifiers, no "$implies$" and hence no clear explanation of how the conclusion $Bsubseteq A$ is reached.
– DanielWainfleet
2 days ago












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Yes, you have it right. Your proof is correct but it may be polished if you wish.



You just need one counter example for the proper subset part.






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  • Thank you for your attention.
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Presentation wise:



Let $x in B$, we can write



$$x=12b+7=4(3b+1)+3$$



where $b in mathbb{Z}$.



since $3b+1 in mathbb{Z}, x in A$.



To prove that it is a proper subset.



Since $4(0)+3 =3$, we have $3 in A$. However, we claim that $3 notin B$. Suppose not,



$$12b+7=3$$



Then we have $$12b=-4 iff 3b = -1$$ which is a contradiction.



Remark:



I have no idea what is domain of $m$.






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    Yes, indeed. $checkmark$.



    You have shown that for every $nin B$ that $nin A$ but that the converse does not hold. Thus you have a proof that $ Bsubsetneq A$, as required.



    Smooth out the presentation and you will be done.






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      Yes, you have it right. Your proof is correct but it may be polished if you wish.



      You just need one counter example for the proper subset part.






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      • Awesome, thanks!
        – Jordan Solomons
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      • Thank you for your attention.
        – Mohammad Riazi-Kermani
        2 days ago















      up vote
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      accepted










      Yes, you have it right. Your proof is correct but it may be polished if you wish.



      You just need one counter example for the proper subset part.






      share|cite|improve this answer





















      • Awesome, thanks!
        – Jordan Solomons
        2 days ago










      • Thank you for your attention.
        – Mohammad Riazi-Kermani
        2 days ago













      up vote
      1
      down vote



      accepted







      up vote
      1
      down vote



      accepted






      Yes, you have it right. Your proof is correct but it may be polished if you wish.



      You just need one counter example for the proper subset part.






      share|cite|improve this answer












      Yes, you have it right. Your proof is correct but it may be polished if you wish.



      You just need one counter example for the proper subset part.







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      • Awesome, thanks!
        – Jordan Solomons
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      • Thank you for your attention.
        – Mohammad Riazi-Kermani
        2 days ago


















      • Awesome, thanks!
        – Jordan Solomons
        2 days ago










      • Thank you for your attention.
        – Mohammad Riazi-Kermani
        2 days ago
















      Awesome, thanks!
      – Jordan Solomons
      2 days ago




      Awesome, thanks!
      – Jordan Solomons
      2 days ago












      Thank you for your attention.
      – Mohammad Riazi-Kermani
      2 days ago




      Thank you for your attention.
      – Mohammad Riazi-Kermani
      2 days ago










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      Presentation wise:



      Let $x in B$, we can write



      $$x=12b+7=4(3b+1)+3$$



      where $b in mathbb{Z}$.



      since $3b+1 in mathbb{Z}, x in A$.



      To prove that it is a proper subset.



      Since $4(0)+3 =3$, we have $3 in A$. However, we claim that $3 notin B$. Suppose not,



      $$12b+7=3$$



      Then we have $$12b=-4 iff 3b = -1$$ which is a contradiction.



      Remark:



      I have no idea what is domain of $m$.






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        Presentation wise:



        Let $x in B$, we can write



        $$x=12b+7=4(3b+1)+3$$



        where $b in mathbb{Z}$.



        since $3b+1 in mathbb{Z}, x in A$.



        To prove that it is a proper subset.



        Since $4(0)+3 =3$, we have $3 in A$. However, we claim that $3 notin B$. Suppose not,



        $$12b+7=3$$



        Then we have $$12b=-4 iff 3b = -1$$ which is a contradiction.



        Remark:



        I have no idea what is domain of $m$.






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          Presentation wise:



          Let $x in B$, we can write



          $$x=12b+7=4(3b+1)+3$$



          where $b in mathbb{Z}$.



          since $3b+1 in mathbb{Z}, x in A$.



          To prove that it is a proper subset.



          Since $4(0)+3 =3$, we have $3 in A$. However, we claim that $3 notin B$. Suppose not,



          $$12b+7=3$$



          Then we have $$12b=-4 iff 3b = -1$$ which is a contradiction.



          Remark:



          I have no idea what is domain of $m$.






          share|cite|improve this answer












          Presentation wise:



          Let $x in B$, we can write



          $$x=12b+7=4(3b+1)+3$$



          where $b in mathbb{Z}$.



          since $3b+1 in mathbb{Z}, x in A$.



          To prove that it is a proper subset.



          Since $4(0)+3 =3$, we have $3 in A$. However, we claim that $3 notin B$. Suppose not,



          $$12b+7=3$$



          Then we have $$12b=-4 iff 3b = -1$$ which is a contradiction.



          Remark:



          I have no idea what is domain of $m$.







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              Yes, indeed. $checkmark$.



              You have shown that for every $nin B$ that $nin A$ but that the converse does not hold. Thus you have a proof that $ Bsubsetneq A$, as required.



              Smooth out the presentation and you will be done.






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                Yes, indeed. $checkmark$.



                You have shown that for every $nin B$ that $nin A$ but that the converse does not hold. Thus you have a proof that $ Bsubsetneq A$, as required.



                Smooth out the presentation and you will be done.






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                  Yes, indeed. $checkmark$.



                  You have shown that for every $nin B$ that $nin A$ but that the converse does not hold. Thus you have a proof that $ Bsubsetneq A$, as required.



                  Smooth out the presentation and you will be done.






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                  Yes, indeed. $checkmark$.



                  You have shown that for every $nin B$ that $nin A$ but that the converse does not hold. Thus you have a proof that $ Bsubsetneq A$, as required.



                  Smooth out the presentation and you will be done.







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