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As the title says, I am unsure as to whether a creature with a climbing speed would be able to climb across the ceilings using their climb speed and avoid any difficult terrain penalties.



This question came about because of a feature of a Simic Hybrid from the Guildmasters' Guide to Ravnica, which gives a player character a climbing speed.










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  • Are you asking if they can move across a ceiling using their Climb speed (and bypass difficult terrain movement penalties) or are you simply asking if that creature can move across a ceiling? You've also got a few questions in there and, while related, they may do better separately.
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  • The former: whether climbing speed allows a creature to freely navigate upside down, but I'm also interested in whether such a creature can freely "stick" to the ceiling
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As the title says, I am unsure as to whether a creature with a climbing speed would be able to climb across the ceilings using their climb speed and avoid any difficult terrain penalties.



This question came about because of a feature of a Simic Hybrid from the Guildmasters' Guide to Ravnica, which gives a player character a climbing speed.










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  • Are you asking if they can move across a ceiling using their Climb speed (and bypass difficult terrain movement penalties) or are you simply asking if that creature can move across a ceiling? You've also got a few questions in there and, while related, they may do better separately.
    – NautArch
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  • The former: whether climbing speed allows a creature to freely navigate upside down, but I'm also interested in whether such a creature can freely "stick" to the ceiling
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This question came about because of a feature of a Simic Hybrid from the Guildmasters' Guide to Ravnica, which gives a player character a climbing speed.










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As the title says, I am unsure as to whether a creature with a climbing speed would be able to climb across the ceilings using their climb speed and avoid any difficult terrain penalties.



This question came about because of a feature of a Simic Hybrid from the Guildmasters' Guide to Ravnica, which gives a player character a climbing speed.







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  • Are you asking if they can move across a ceiling using their Climb speed (and bypass difficult terrain movement penalties) or are you simply asking if that creature can move across a ceiling? You've also got a few questions in there and, while related, they may do better separately.
    – NautArch
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  • The former: whether climbing speed allows a creature to freely navigate upside down, but I'm also interested in whether such a creature can freely "stick" to the ceiling
    – L0neGamer
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  • Are you asking if they can move across a ceiling using their Climb speed (and bypass difficult terrain movement penalties) or are you simply asking if that creature can move across a ceiling? You've also got a few questions in there and, while related, they may do better separately.
    – NautArch
    2 days ago












  • The former: whether climbing speed allows a creature to freely navigate upside down, but I'm also interested in whether such a creature can freely "stick" to the ceiling
    – L0neGamer
    2 days ago


















Are you asking if they can move across a ceiling using their Climb speed (and bypass difficult terrain movement penalties) or are you simply asking if that creature can move across a ceiling? You've also got a few questions in there and, while related, they may do better separately.
– NautArch
2 days ago






Are you asking if they can move across a ceiling using their Climb speed (and bypass difficult terrain movement penalties) or are you simply asking if that creature can move across a ceiling? You've also got a few questions in there and, while related, they may do better separately.
– NautArch
2 days ago














The former: whether climbing speed allows a creature to freely navigate upside down, but I'm also interested in whether such a creature can freely "stick" to the ceiling
– L0neGamer
2 days ago






The former: whether climbing speed allows a creature to freely navigate upside down, but I'm also interested in whether such a creature can freely "stick" to the ceiling
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A creature with a climb speed can climb across ceilings but not any better than a creature without a climb speed.



Per RAW, creatures with a climb speed only gain a benefit to climbing vertical surfaces as outlined in the MM.




Climb



A creature with a climbing speed can use all or part of its movement
to move on vertical surfaces (emphasis mine). The monster doesn't need to spend extra movement to climb. (MM p. 8)




Creatures with climb speeds do not explicitly gain any benefit to moving across ceilings, though any creature that could reasonably scale a ceiling may still do so. A creature spends 2 feet per 1 foot of its movement scaling a ceiling regardless of whether or not it has a climb speed.



If any character or creature has themselves, the capacity to scale the underside of a horizontal surface (e.g. a ceiling), and if that surface has enough outcroppings or other characteristics that would make such a feat possible, then that creature can do so using the climb rules outlined in the PHB.




Climbing, Swimming, and Crawling



When climbing ..., each foot of movement costs 1 extra foot (2 in
difficult terrain, unless the creature has a climbing ... speed. (PHB p. 182)




It should also be noted that having a climbing speed does not necessarily exempt you from having to make Athletics checks under duress or when failing a climb could have consequences. The following rules, per RAW, still apply.




Ability Checks



... The DM calls for an ability check when a character or monster
attempts an action ... that has a chance of failure. (PHB p. 171)




and




Using Each Ability



Strength Checks



Athletics. Your Strength (Athletics) check covers difficult situations you encounter while climbing... Examples include...
climbing a sheer or slippery cliff, avoid hazards while
scaling, cling to a surface while something is trying to knock you
off. (PHB p. 175)







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    FYI: some indirect evidence that moving across a ceiling should require ability checks comes from the Spider climb spell and you might consider referencing that: "The spider can climb difficult surfaces, including upside down on ceilings, without needing to make an ability check."
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    Uh, where are you getting the ability to cross ceilings with climb, again? I don't see it referenced in your answer.
    – Chemus
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    You should probably include some of the information in your comment on "traverse the horizontal surface that had enough outcroppings to make such a feat possible. That's a pretty important consideration to note and how such DM description of a ceiling may be a major factor in this.
    – NautArch
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    This is a good answer, however due to some small changes the question has changed slightly. Once this answer has been updated it'll likely be accepted.
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    I don't think it's reasonable to insert [ceiling] into the last quotation from the PHB: it's too easy to assume that you are quoting verbatim (despite your use of square brackets); and a ceiling is not equivalent to a sheer or slippery cliff - indeed that is the point of this whole question.
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There are a couple parts to the question.



Can you cross the ceiling at all?



Any creature, climb speed or not, can potentially grab onto a ceiling feature and use it to cross a room. If the ceiling is covered in vines, carvings, rafters, or has some other potential handholds, it's up to the DM to determine whether the handholds can support your weight, and what roll (if any) is needed to maintain a grip and move across the surface hand-over-hand.



While most of the climbing rules talk about 'vertical' surfaces, it's pretty clear from our normal understanding of the world that an action like this would still constitute climbing and be subject to all the rules that relate to that, such as increased movement cost and requiring an Athletics roll if the surface is challenging. A climb speed operates as usual in this case, allowing you to ignore the movement cost increase.



(As examples, I would think that crossing from something like playground 'monkey bars' would not require a check, or only a minimal DC, while more difficult surfaces, such as a vine-covered ceiling or going from stalactite to stalactite, would be far more difficult.)



Can you climb across a smooth ceiling that lacks handholds or other similar features?



Probably not, unless the source of your climb speed (or some other rule) specifically says you can.



For example, the spider climb spell says




one willing creature you touch gains the ability to move up, down, and across vertical surfaces and upside down along ceilings




Similarly, the spiders in the Monster Manual share an ability called (again) Spider Climb, which reads:




The spider can climb difficult surfaces, including upside down on ceilings, without needing to make an ability check.




So ultimately, in your case, it depends.



A Simic Hybrid's climb speed is just a climb speed (it doesn't include a spider-climb clause), so it would not allow you to cross a ceiling without something to hold onto. But if there is something to grip and swing from (which is up to the DM), your climb speed could potentially allow you to cross a ceiling without slowing down. You may still have to make ability checks to climb on a difficult surface; a climb speed doesn't remove that requirement.






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A creature with a climb speed can climb across ceilings but not any better than a creature without a climb speed.



Per RAW, creatures with a climb speed only gain a benefit to climbing vertical surfaces as outlined in the MM.




Climb



A creature with a climbing speed can use all or part of its movement
to move on vertical surfaces (emphasis mine). The monster doesn't need to spend extra movement to climb. (MM p. 8)




Creatures with climb speeds do not explicitly gain any benefit to moving across ceilings, though any creature that could reasonably scale a ceiling may still do so. A creature spends 2 feet per 1 foot of its movement scaling a ceiling regardless of whether or not it has a climb speed.



If any character or creature has themselves, the capacity to scale the underside of a horizontal surface (e.g. a ceiling), and if that surface has enough outcroppings or other characteristics that would make such a feat possible, then that creature can do so using the climb rules outlined in the PHB.




Climbing, Swimming, and Crawling



When climbing ..., each foot of movement costs 1 extra foot (2 in
difficult terrain, unless the creature has a climbing ... speed. (PHB p. 182)




It should also be noted that having a climbing speed does not necessarily exempt you from having to make Athletics checks under duress or when failing a climb could have consequences. The following rules, per RAW, still apply.




Ability Checks



... The DM calls for an ability check when a character or monster
attempts an action ... that has a chance of failure. (PHB p. 171)




and




Using Each Ability



Strength Checks



Athletics. Your Strength (Athletics) check covers difficult situations you encounter while climbing... Examples include...
climbing a sheer or slippery cliff, avoid hazards while
scaling, cling to a surface while something is trying to knock you
off. (PHB p. 175)







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    FYI: some indirect evidence that moving across a ceiling should require ability checks comes from the Spider climb spell and you might consider referencing that: "The spider can climb difficult surfaces, including upside down on ceilings, without needing to make an ability check."
    – Rubiksmoose
    2 days ago








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    Uh, where are you getting the ability to cross ceilings with climb, again? I don't see it referenced in your answer.
    – Chemus
    2 days ago






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    You should probably include some of the information in your comment on "traverse the horizontal surface that had enough outcroppings to make such a feat possible. That's a pretty important consideration to note and how such DM description of a ceiling may be a major factor in this.
    – NautArch
    2 days ago






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    This is a good answer, however due to some small changes the question has changed slightly. Once this answer has been updated it'll likely be accepted.
    – L0neGamer
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    I don't think it's reasonable to insert [ceiling] into the last quotation from the PHB: it's too easy to assume that you are quoting verbatim (despite your use of square brackets); and a ceiling is not equivalent to a sheer or slippery cliff - indeed that is the point of this whole question.
    – Clearly Toughpick
    yesterday















up vote
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A creature with a climb speed can climb across ceilings but not any better than a creature without a climb speed.



Per RAW, creatures with a climb speed only gain a benefit to climbing vertical surfaces as outlined in the MM.




Climb



A creature with a climbing speed can use all or part of its movement
to move on vertical surfaces (emphasis mine). The monster doesn't need to spend extra movement to climb. (MM p. 8)




Creatures with climb speeds do not explicitly gain any benefit to moving across ceilings, though any creature that could reasonably scale a ceiling may still do so. A creature spends 2 feet per 1 foot of its movement scaling a ceiling regardless of whether or not it has a climb speed.



If any character or creature has themselves, the capacity to scale the underside of a horizontal surface (e.g. a ceiling), and if that surface has enough outcroppings or other characteristics that would make such a feat possible, then that creature can do so using the climb rules outlined in the PHB.




Climbing, Swimming, and Crawling



When climbing ..., each foot of movement costs 1 extra foot (2 in
difficult terrain, unless the creature has a climbing ... speed. (PHB p. 182)




It should also be noted that having a climbing speed does not necessarily exempt you from having to make Athletics checks under duress or when failing a climb could have consequences. The following rules, per RAW, still apply.




Ability Checks



... The DM calls for an ability check when a character or monster
attempts an action ... that has a chance of failure. (PHB p. 171)




and




Using Each Ability



Strength Checks



Athletics. Your Strength (Athletics) check covers difficult situations you encounter while climbing... Examples include...
climbing a sheer or slippery cliff, avoid hazards while
scaling, cling to a surface while something is trying to knock you
off. (PHB p. 175)







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  • 3




    FYI: some indirect evidence that moving across a ceiling should require ability checks comes from the Spider climb spell and you might consider referencing that: "The spider can climb difficult surfaces, including upside down on ceilings, without needing to make an ability check."
    – Rubiksmoose
    2 days ago








  • 1




    Uh, where are you getting the ability to cross ceilings with climb, again? I don't see it referenced in your answer.
    – Chemus
    2 days ago






  • 4




    You should probably include some of the information in your comment on "traverse the horizontal surface that had enough outcroppings to make such a feat possible. That's a pretty important consideration to note and how such DM description of a ceiling may be a major factor in this.
    – NautArch
    2 days ago






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    This is a good answer, however due to some small changes the question has changed slightly. Once this answer has been updated it'll likely be accepted.
    – L0neGamer
    2 days ago








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    I don't think it's reasonable to insert [ceiling] into the last quotation from the PHB: it's too easy to assume that you are quoting verbatim (despite your use of square brackets); and a ceiling is not equivalent to a sheer or slippery cliff - indeed that is the point of this whole question.
    – Clearly Toughpick
    yesterday













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A creature with a climb speed can climb across ceilings but not any better than a creature without a climb speed.



Per RAW, creatures with a climb speed only gain a benefit to climbing vertical surfaces as outlined in the MM.




Climb



A creature with a climbing speed can use all or part of its movement
to move on vertical surfaces (emphasis mine). The monster doesn't need to spend extra movement to climb. (MM p. 8)




Creatures with climb speeds do not explicitly gain any benefit to moving across ceilings, though any creature that could reasonably scale a ceiling may still do so. A creature spends 2 feet per 1 foot of its movement scaling a ceiling regardless of whether or not it has a climb speed.



If any character or creature has themselves, the capacity to scale the underside of a horizontal surface (e.g. a ceiling), and if that surface has enough outcroppings or other characteristics that would make such a feat possible, then that creature can do so using the climb rules outlined in the PHB.




Climbing, Swimming, and Crawling



When climbing ..., each foot of movement costs 1 extra foot (2 in
difficult terrain, unless the creature has a climbing ... speed. (PHB p. 182)




It should also be noted that having a climbing speed does not necessarily exempt you from having to make Athletics checks under duress or when failing a climb could have consequences. The following rules, per RAW, still apply.




Ability Checks



... The DM calls for an ability check when a character or monster
attempts an action ... that has a chance of failure. (PHB p. 171)




and




Using Each Ability



Strength Checks



Athletics. Your Strength (Athletics) check covers difficult situations you encounter while climbing... Examples include...
climbing a sheer or slippery cliff, avoid hazards while
scaling, cling to a surface while something is trying to knock you
off. (PHB p. 175)







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A creature with a climb speed can climb across ceilings but not any better than a creature without a climb speed.



Per RAW, creatures with a climb speed only gain a benefit to climbing vertical surfaces as outlined in the MM.




Climb



A creature with a climbing speed can use all or part of its movement
to move on vertical surfaces (emphasis mine). The monster doesn't need to spend extra movement to climb. (MM p. 8)




Creatures with climb speeds do not explicitly gain any benefit to moving across ceilings, though any creature that could reasonably scale a ceiling may still do so. A creature spends 2 feet per 1 foot of its movement scaling a ceiling regardless of whether or not it has a climb speed.



If any character or creature has themselves, the capacity to scale the underside of a horizontal surface (e.g. a ceiling), and if that surface has enough outcroppings or other characteristics that would make such a feat possible, then that creature can do so using the climb rules outlined in the PHB.




Climbing, Swimming, and Crawling



When climbing ..., each foot of movement costs 1 extra foot (2 in
difficult terrain, unless the creature has a climbing ... speed. (PHB p. 182)




It should also be noted that having a climbing speed does not necessarily exempt you from having to make Athletics checks under duress or when failing a climb could have consequences. The following rules, per RAW, still apply.




Ability Checks



... The DM calls for an ability check when a character or monster
attempts an action ... that has a chance of failure. (PHB p. 171)




and




Using Each Ability



Strength Checks



Athletics. Your Strength (Athletics) check covers difficult situations you encounter while climbing... Examples include...
climbing a sheer or slippery cliff, avoid hazards while
scaling, cling to a surface while something is trying to knock you
off. (PHB p. 175)








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    FYI: some indirect evidence that moving across a ceiling should require ability checks comes from the Spider climb spell and you might consider referencing that: "The spider can climb difficult surfaces, including upside down on ceilings, without needing to make an ability check."
    – Rubiksmoose
    2 days ago








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    Uh, where are you getting the ability to cross ceilings with climb, again? I don't see it referenced in your answer.
    – Chemus
    2 days ago






  • 4




    You should probably include some of the information in your comment on "traverse the horizontal surface that had enough outcroppings to make such a feat possible. That's a pretty important consideration to note and how such DM description of a ceiling may be a major factor in this.
    – NautArch
    2 days ago






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    This is a good answer, however due to some small changes the question has changed slightly. Once this answer has been updated it'll likely be accepted.
    – L0neGamer
    2 days ago








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    I don't think it's reasonable to insert [ceiling] into the last quotation from the PHB: it's too easy to assume that you are quoting verbatim (despite your use of square brackets); and a ceiling is not equivalent to a sheer or slippery cliff - indeed that is the point of this whole question.
    – Clearly Toughpick
    yesterday














  • 3




    FYI: some indirect evidence that moving across a ceiling should require ability checks comes from the Spider climb spell and you might consider referencing that: "The spider can climb difficult surfaces, including upside down on ceilings, without needing to make an ability check."
    – Rubiksmoose
    2 days ago








  • 1




    Uh, where are you getting the ability to cross ceilings with climb, again? I don't see it referenced in your answer.
    – Chemus
    2 days ago






  • 4




    You should probably include some of the information in your comment on "traverse the horizontal surface that had enough outcroppings to make such a feat possible. That's a pretty important consideration to note and how such DM description of a ceiling may be a major factor in this.
    – NautArch
    2 days ago






  • 4




    This is a good answer, however due to some small changes the question has changed slightly. Once this answer has been updated it'll likely be accepted.
    – L0neGamer
    2 days ago








  • 3




    I don't think it's reasonable to insert [ceiling] into the last quotation from the PHB: it's too easy to assume that you are quoting verbatim (despite your use of square brackets); and a ceiling is not equivalent to a sheer or slippery cliff - indeed that is the point of this whole question.
    – Clearly Toughpick
    yesterday








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FYI: some indirect evidence that moving across a ceiling should require ability checks comes from the Spider climb spell and you might consider referencing that: "The spider can climb difficult surfaces, including upside down on ceilings, without needing to make an ability check."
– Rubiksmoose
2 days ago






FYI: some indirect evidence that moving across a ceiling should require ability checks comes from the Spider climb spell and you might consider referencing that: "The spider can climb difficult surfaces, including upside down on ceilings, without needing to make an ability check."
– Rubiksmoose
2 days ago






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Uh, where are you getting the ability to cross ceilings with climb, again? I don't see it referenced in your answer.
– Chemus
2 days ago




Uh, where are you getting the ability to cross ceilings with climb, again? I don't see it referenced in your answer.
– Chemus
2 days ago




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You should probably include some of the information in your comment on "traverse the horizontal surface that had enough outcroppings to make such a feat possible. That's a pretty important consideration to note and how such DM description of a ceiling may be a major factor in this.
– NautArch
2 days ago




You should probably include some of the information in your comment on "traverse the horizontal surface that had enough outcroppings to make such a feat possible. That's a pretty important consideration to note and how such DM description of a ceiling may be a major factor in this.
– NautArch
2 days ago




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This is a good answer, however due to some small changes the question has changed slightly. Once this answer has been updated it'll likely be accepted.
– L0neGamer
2 days ago






This is a good answer, however due to some small changes the question has changed slightly. Once this answer has been updated it'll likely be accepted.
– L0neGamer
2 days ago






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I don't think it's reasonable to insert [ceiling] into the last quotation from the PHB: it's too easy to assume that you are quoting verbatim (despite your use of square brackets); and a ceiling is not equivalent to a sheer or slippery cliff - indeed that is the point of this whole question.
– Clearly Toughpick
yesterday




I don't think it's reasonable to insert [ceiling] into the last quotation from the PHB: it's too easy to assume that you are quoting verbatim (despite your use of square brackets); and a ceiling is not equivalent to a sheer or slippery cliff - indeed that is the point of this whole question.
– Clearly Toughpick
yesterday












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There are a couple parts to the question.



Can you cross the ceiling at all?



Any creature, climb speed or not, can potentially grab onto a ceiling feature and use it to cross a room. If the ceiling is covered in vines, carvings, rafters, or has some other potential handholds, it's up to the DM to determine whether the handholds can support your weight, and what roll (if any) is needed to maintain a grip and move across the surface hand-over-hand.



While most of the climbing rules talk about 'vertical' surfaces, it's pretty clear from our normal understanding of the world that an action like this would still constitute climbing and be subject to all the rules that relate to that, such as increased movement cost and requiring an Athletics roll if the surface is challenging. A climb speed operates as usual in this case, allowing you to ignore the movement cost increase.



(As examples, I would think that crossing from something like playground 'monkey bars' would not require a check, or only a minimal DC, while more difficult surfaces, such as a vine-covered ceiling or going from stalactite to stalactite, would be far more difficult.)



Can you climb across a smooth ceiling that lacks handholds or other similar features?



Probably not, unless the source of your climb speed (or some other rule) specifically says you can.



For example, the spider climb spell says




one willing creature you touch gains the ability to move up, down, and across vertical surfaces and upside down along ceilings




Similarly, the spiders in the Monster Manual share an ability called (again) Spider Climb, which reads:




The spider can climb difficult surfaces, including upside down on ceilings, without needing to make an ability check.




So ultimately, in your case, it depends.



A Simic Hybrid's climb speed is just a climb speed (it doesn't include a spider-climb clause), so it would not allow you to cross a ceiling without something to hold onto. But if there is something to grip and swing from (which is up to the DM), your climb speed could potentially allow you to cross a ceiling without slowing down. You may still have to make ability checks to climb on a difficult surface; a climb speed doesn't remove that requirement.






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There are a couple parts to the question.



Can you cross the ceiling at all?



Any creature, climb speed or not, can potentially grab onto a ceiling feature and use it to cross a room. If the ceiling is covered in vines, carvings, rafters, or has some other potential handholds, it's up to the DM to determine whether the handholds can support your weight, and what roll (if any) is needed to maintain a grip and move across the surface hand-over-hand.



While most of the climbing rules talk about 'vertical' surfaces, it's pretty clear from our normal understanding of the world that an action like this would still constitute climbing and be subject to all the rules that relate to that, such as increased movement cost and requiring an Athletics roll if the surface is challenging. A climb speed operates as usual in this case, allowing you to ignore the movement cost increase.



(As examples, I would think that crossing from something like playground 'monkey bars' would not require a check, or only a minimal DC, while more difficult surfaces, such as a vine-covered ceiling or going from stalactite to stalactite, would be far more difficult.)



Can you climb across a smooth ceiling that lacks handholds or other similar features?



Probably not, unless the source of your climb speed (or some other rule) specifically says you can.



For example, the spider climb spell says




one willing creature you touch gains the ability to move up, down, and across vertical surfaces and upside down along ceilings




Similarly, the spiders in the Monster Manual share an ability called (again) Spider Climb, which reads:




The spider can climb difficult surfaces, including upside down on ceilings, without needing to make an ability check.




So ultimately, in your case, it depends.



A Simic Hybrid's climb speed is just a climb speed (it doesn't include a spider-climb clause), so it would not allow you to cross a ceiling without something to hold onto. But if there is something to grip and swing from (which is up to the DM), your climb speed could potentially allow you to cross a ceiling without slowing down. You may still have to make ability checks to climb on a difficult surface; a climb speed doesn't remove that requirement.






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  • OP clarified and simplified their question. May want to revisit.
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  • I did few tweaks but I think it's mostly still applicable.
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There are a couple parts to the question.



Can you cross the ceiling at all?



Any creature, climb speed or not, can potentially grab onto a ceiling feature and use it to cross a room. If the ceiling is covered in vines, carvings, rafters, or has some other potential handholds, it's up to the DM to determine whether the handholds can support your weight, and what roll (if any) is needed to maintain a grip and move across the surface hand-over-hand.



While most of the climbing rules talk about 'vertical' surfaces, it's pretty clear from our normal understanding of the world that an action like this would still constitute climbing and be subject to all the rules that relate to that, such as increased movement cost and requiring an Athletics roll if the surface is challenging. A climb speed operates as usual in this case, allowing you to ignore the movement cost increase.



(As examples, I would think that crossing from something like playground 'monkey bars' would not require a check, or only a minimal DC, while more difficult surfaces, such as a vine-covered ceiling or going from stalactite to stalactite, would be far more difficult.)



Can you climb across a smooth ceiling that lacks handholds or other similar features?



Probably not, unless the source of your climb speed (or some other rule) specifically says you can.



For example, the spider climb spell says




one willing creature you touch gains the ability to move up, down, and across vertical surfaces and upside down along ceilings




Similarly, the spiders in the Monster Manual share an ability called (again) Spider Climb, which reads:




The spider can climb difficult surfaces, including upside down on ceilings, without needing to make an ability check.




So ultimately, in your case, it depends.



A Simic Hybrid's climb speed is just a climb speed (it doesn't include a spider-climb clause), so it would not allow you to cross a ceiling without something to hold onto. But if there is something to grip and swing from (which is up to the DM), your climb speed could potentially allow you to cross a ceiling without slowing down. You may still have to make ability checks to climb on a difficult surface; a climb speed doesn't remove that requirement.






share|improve this answer














There are a couple parts to the question.



Can you cross the ceiling at all?



Any creature, climb speed or not, can potentially grab onto a ceiling feature and use it to cross a room. If the ceiling is covered in vines, carvings, rafters, or has some other potential handholds, it's up to the DM to determine whether the handholds can support your weight, and what roll (if any) is needed to maintain a grip and move across the surface hand-over-hand.



While most of the climbing rules talk about 'vertical' surfaces, it's pretty clear from our normal understanding of the world that an action like this would still constitute climbing and be subject to all the rules that relate to that, such as increased movement cost and requiring an Athletics roll if the surface is challenging. A climb speed operates as usual in this case, allowing you to ignore the movement cost increase.



(As examples, I would think that crossing from something like playground 'monkey bars' would not require a check, or only a minimal DC, while more difficult surfaces, such as a vine-covered ceiling or going from stalactite to stalactite, would be far more difficult.)



Can you climb across a smooth ceiling that lacks handholds or other similar features?



Probably not, unless the source of your climb speed (or some other rule) specifically says you can.



For example, the spider climb spell says




one willing creature you touch gains the ability to move up, down, and across vertical surfaces and upside down along ceilings




Similarly, the spiders in the Monster Manual share an ability called (again) Spider Climb, which reads:




The spider can climb difficult surfaces, including upside down on ceilings, without needing to make an ability check.




So ultimately, in your case, it depends.



A Simic Hybrid's climb speed is just a climb speed (it doesn't include a spider-climb clause), so it would not allow you to cross a ceiling without something to hold onto. But if there is something to grip and swing from (which is up to the DM), your climb speed could potentially allow you to cross a ceiling without slowing down. You may still have to make ability checks to climb on a difficult surface; a climb speed doesn't remove that requirement.







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  • OP clarified and simplified their question. May want to revisit.
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  • I did few tweaks but I think it's mostly still applicable.
    – Darth Pseudonym
    yesterday


















  • OP clarified and simplified their question. May want to revisit.
    – NautArch
    2 days ago










  • I did few tweaks but I think it's mostly still applicable.
    – Darth Pseudonym
    yesterday
















OP clarified and simplified their question. May want to revisit.
– NautArch
2 days ago




OP clarified and simplified their question. May want to revisit.
– NautArch
2 days ago












I did few tweaks but I think it's mostly still applicable.
– Darth Pseudonym
yesterday




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yesterday










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