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  • What type of uniformity? Equally? Normal Distribution?
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  • Equally, so each urn has a 1/N probability
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I have a probability problem that I have simplified down to the following:



Given M balls that are thrown randomly (uniformly) into N urns, what is the expected number of urns that have more than K balls inside?










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  • What type of uniformity? Equally? Normal Distribution?
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  • Equally, so each urn has a 1/N probability
    – Jason
    Nov 22 at 18:38










  • Try the method in math.stackexchange.com/questions/119076/…
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I have a probability problem that I have simplified down to the following:



Given M balls that are thrown randomly (uniformly) into N urns, what is the expected number of urns that have more than K balls inside?










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I have a probability problem that I have simplified down to the following:



Given M balls that are thrown randomly (uniformly) into N urns, what is the expected number of urns that have more than K balls inside?







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  • What type of uniformity? Equally? Normal Distribution?
    – IronEagle
    Nov 22 at 18:29










  • Equally, so each urn has a 1/N probability
    – Jason
    Nov 22 at 18:38










  • Try the method in math.stackexchange.com/questions/119076/…
    – IronEagle
    Nov 22 at 18:49


















  • What type of uniformity? Equally? Normal Distribution?
    – IronEagle
    Nov 22 at 18:29










  • Equally, so each urn has a 1/N probability
    – Jason
    Nov 22 at 18:38










  • Try the method in math.stackexchange.com/questions/119076/…
    – IronEagle
    Nov 22 at 18:49
















What type of uniformity? Equally? Normal Distribution?
– IronEagle
Nov 22 at 18:29




What type of uniformity? Equally? Normal Distribution?
– IronEagle
Nov 22 at 18:29












Equally, so each urn has a 1/N probability
– Jason
Nov 22 at 18:38




Equally, so each urn has a 1/N probability
– Jason
Nov 22 at 18:38












Try the method in math.stackexchange.com/questions/119076/…
– IronEagle
Nov 22 at 18:49




Try the method in math.stackexchange.com/questions/119076/…
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Starting with the combinatorial class of sets with size more than $K$
marked we find



$$deftextsc#1{dosc#1csod}
defdosc#1#2csod{{rm #1{small #2}}}
textsc{SEQ}_{=N}(textsc{SET}_{le K}(mathcal{Z})
+mathcal{U} times textsc{SET}_{gt K}(mathcal{Z}))$$



and build the generating function



$$G(z, u) =
left(u exp(z) + (1-u) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)^N.$$



The expectation is then given by



$$frac{1}{N^M} M! [z^M]
left. frac{partial}{partial u} G(z, u) right|_{u=1}
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
left.
left(u exp(z) +
(1-u) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)^{N-1}
left(exp(z) - sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)
right|_{u=1}
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
exp((N-1)z)
left(exp(z) - sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
left(exp(Nz) - exp((N-1)z) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right).$$



Simplifying,



$$N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!} exp((N-1)z)
\ = N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M!
sum_{q=0}^K [z^{M-q}] frac{1}{q!} exp((N-1)z).$$



Here we may suppose that $Mgt K$ because we get zero by inspection
otherwise. We thus have



$$N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M!
sum_{q=0}^K frac{1}{q!} frac{(N-1)^{M-q}}{(M-q)!}$$



or



$$bbox[5px,border:2px solid #00A000]{
N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}}
sum_{q=0}^K {Mchoose q} (N-1)^{M-q}.}$$



We can verify this formula by enumeration, which is
shown below.




with(combinat);

ENUMX :=
proc(N, M, K)
option remember;
local res, part, psize, mset, adm;

res := 0;

part := firstpart(M);

while type(part, `list`) do
psize := nops(part);
mset := convert(part, `multiset`);

adm :=
nops(select(ent -> ent > K, part));

res := res + adm * binomial(N, psize) *
M!/mul(p!, p in part) *
psize!/mul(p[2]!, p in mset);

part := nextpart(part);
od;

res/N^M;
end;

X := (N, M, K)
-> N - 1/N^(M-1)
*add(binomial(M,q)*(N-1)^(M-q), q=0..K);





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  • could please expand the starting points about sets considered, thanks
    – G Cab
    Nov 22 at 22:13










  • This is from page 100, II.2. "Admissible labelled constructions" of Analytic Combinatorics by Flajolet & Sedgewick, table is on page 104. Distributing balls into $N$ urns is the same as partitioning the $M$ balls into $N$ sets, possibly empty.
    – Marko Riedel
    Nov 23 at 15:24




















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Extending the method given by user Henry in 119076, the probability that each urn has more than $K$ balls inside is



$1-sum_{i=0}^{K}frac{M^{i}(N-1)^{M-i}}{N^{M}}$



which means that the number of bins that have more than K balls inside would be $N$ times the probability for a single urn, or



$N(1-sum_{i=0}^{K}frac{M^{i}(N-1)^{M-i}}{N^{M}})$



Basically, you calculate the probability that an urn has of having 0, 1, 2, ... K balls inside, and subtract that probability from 1.






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  • Thank you for the help. I believe the inside of the sum should be a term from the binomial distribution. What you have seems to work for the first 2 values of i but not afterwards.
    – Jason
    Nov 22 at 21:19











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Starting with the combinatorial class of sets with size more than $K$
marked we find



$$deftextsc#1{dosc#1csod}
defdosc#1#2csod{{rm #1{small #2}}}
textsc{SEQ}_{=N}(textsc{SET}_{le K}(mathcal{Z})
+mathcal{U} times textsc{SET}_{gt K}(mathcal{Z}))$$



and build the generating function



$$G(z, u) =
left(u exp(z) + (1-u) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)^N.$$



The expectation is then given by



$$frac{1}{N^M} M! [z^M]
left. frac{partial}{partial u} G(z, u) right|_{u=1}
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
left.
left(u exp(z) +
(1-u) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)^{N-1}
left(exp(z) - sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)
right|_{u=1}
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
exp((N-1)z)
left(exp(z) - sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
left(exp(Nz) - exp((N-1)z) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right).$$



Simplifying,



$$N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!} exp((N-1)z)
\ = N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M!
sum_{q=0}^K [z^{M-q}] frac{1}{q!} exp((N-1)z).$$



Here we may suppose that $Mgt K$ because we get zero by inspection
otherwise. We thus have



$$N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M!
sum_{q=0}^K frac{1}{q!} frac{(N-1)^{M-q}}{(M-q)!}$$



or



$$bbox[5px,border:2px solid #00A000]{
N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}}
sum_{q=0}^K {Mchoose q} (N-1)^{M-q}.}$$



We can verify this formula by enumeration, which is
shown below.




with(combinat);

ENUMX :=
proc(N, M, K)
option remember;
local res, part, psize, mset, adm;

res := 0;

part := firstpart(M);

while type(part, `list`) do
psize := nops(part);
mset := convert(part, `multiset`);

adm :=
nops(select(ent -> ent > K, part));

res := res + adm * binomial(N, psize) *
M!/mul(p!, p in part) *
psize!/mul(p[2]!, p in mset);

part := nextpart(part);
od;

res/N^M;
end;

X := (N, M, K)
-> N - 1/N^(M-1)
*add(binomial(M,q)*(N-1)^(M-q), q=0..K);





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  • could please expand the starting points about sets considered, thanks
    – G Cab
    Nov 22 at 22:13










  • This is from page 100, II.2. "Admissible labelled constructions" of Analytic Combinatorics by Flajolet & Sedgewick, table is on page 104. Distributing balls into $N$ urns is the same as partitioning the $M$ balls into $N$ sets, possibly empty.
    – Marko Riedel
    Nov 23 at 15:24

















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2
down vote













Starting with the combinatorial class of sets with size more than $K$
marked we find



$$deftextsc#1{dosc#1csod}
defdosc#1#2csod{{rm #1{small #2}}}
textsc{SEQ}_{=N}(textsc{SET}_{le K}(mathcal{Z})
+mathcal{U} times textsc{SET}_{gt K}(mathcal{Z}))$$



and build the generating function



$$G(z, u) =
left(u exp(z) + (1-u) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)^N.$$



The expectation is then given by



$$frac{1}{N^M} M! [z^M]
left. frac{partial}{partial u} G(z, u) right|_{u=1}
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
left.
left(u exp(z) +
(1-u) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)^{N-1}
left(exp(z) - sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)
right|_{u=1}
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
exp((N-1)z)
left(exp(z) - sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
left(exp(Nz) - exp((N-1)z) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right).$$



Simplifying,



$$N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!} exp((N-1)z)
\ = N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M!
sum_{q=0}^K [z^{M-q}] frac{1}{q!} exp((N-1)z).$$



Here we may suppose that $Mgt K$ because we get zero by inspection
otherwise. We thus have



$$N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M!
sum_{q=0}^K frac{1}{q!} frac{(N-1)^{M-q}}{(M-q)!}$$



or



$$bbox[5px,border:2px solid #00A000]{
N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}}
sum_{q=0}^K {Mchoose q} (N-1)^{M-q}.}$$



We can verify this formula by enumeration, which is
shown below.




with(combinat);

ENUMX :=
proc(N, M, K)
option remember;
local res, part, psize, mset, adm;

res := 0;

part := firstpart(M);

while type(part, `list`) do
psize := nops(part);
mset := convert(part, `multiset`);

adm :=
nops(select(ent -> ent > K, part));

res := res + adm * binomial(N, psize) *
M!/mul(p!, p in part) *
psize!/mul(p[2]!, p in mset);

part := nextpart(part);
od;

res/N^M;
end;

X := (N, M, K)
-> N - 1/N^(M-1)
*add(binomial(M,q)*(N-1)^(M-q), q=0..K);





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  • could please expand the starting points about sets considered, thanks
    – G Cab
    Nov 22 at 22:13










  • This is from page 100, II.2. "Admissible labelled constructions" of Analytic Combinatorics by Flajolet & Sedgewick, table is on page 104. Distributing balls into $N$ urns is the same as partitioning the $M$ balls into $N$ sets, possibly empty.
    – Marko Riedel
    Nov 23 at 15:24















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Starting with the combinatorial class of sets with size more than $K$
marked we find



$$deftextsc#1{dosc#1csod}
defdosc#1#2csod{{rm #1{small #2}}}
textsc{SEQ}_{=N}(textsc{SET}_{le K}(mathcal{Z})
+mathcal{U} times textsc{SET}_{gt K}(mathcal{Z}))$$



and build the generating function



$$G(z, u) =
left(u exp(z) + (1-u) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)^N.$$



The expectation is then given by



$$frac{1}{N^M} M! [z^M]
left. frac{partial}{partial u} G(z, u) right|_{u=1}
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
left.
left(u exp(z) +
(1-u) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)^{N-1}
left(exp(z) - sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)
right|_{u=1}
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
exp((N-1)z)
left(exp(z) - sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
left(exp(Nz) - exp((N-1)z) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right).$$



Simplifying,



$$N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!} exp((N-1)z)
\ = N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M!
sum_{q=0}^K [z^{M-q}] frac{1}{q!} exp((N-1)z).$$



Here we may suppose that $Mgt K$ because we get zero by inspection
otherwise. We thus have



$$N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M!
sum_{q=0}^K frac{1}{q!} frac{(N-1)^{M-q}}{(M-q)!}$$



or



$$bbox[5px,border:2px solid #00A000]{
N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}}
sum_{q=0}^K {Mchoose q} (N-1)^{M-q}.}$$



We can verify this formula by enumeration, which is
shown below.




with(combinat);

ENUMX :=
proc(N, M, K)
option remember;
local res, part, psize, mset, adm;

res := 0;

part := firstpart(M);

while type(part, `list`) do
psize := nops(part);
mset := convert(part, `multiset`);

adm :=
nops(select(ent -> ent > K, part));

res := res + adm * binomial(N, psize) *
M!/mul(p!, p in part) *
psize!/mul(p[2]!, p in mset);

part := nextpart(part);
od;

res/N^M;
end;

X := (N, M, K)
-> N - 1/N^(M-1)
*add(binomial(M,q)*(N-1)^(M-q), q=0..K);





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Starting with the combinatorial class of sets with size more than $K$
marked we find



$$deftextsc#1{dosc#1csod}
defdosc#1#2csod{{rm #1{small #2}}}
textsc{SEQ}_{=N}(textsc{SET}_{le K}(mathcal{Z})
+mathcal{U} times textsc{SET}_{gt K}(mathcal{Z}))$$



and build the generating function



$$G(z, u) =
left(u exp(z) + (1-u) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)^N.$$



The expectation is then given by



$$frac{1}{N^M} M! [z^M]
left. frac{partial}{partial u} G(z, u) right|_{u=1}
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
left.
left(u exp(z) +
(1-u) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)^{N-1}
left(exp(z) - sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)
right|_{u=1}
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
exp((N-1)z)
left(exp(z) - sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right)
\ = frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
left(exp(Nz) - exp((N-1)z) sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!}right).$$



Simplifying,



$$N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M! [z^M]
sum_{q=0}^K frac{z^q}{q!} exp((N-1)z)
\ = N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M!
sum_{q=0}^K [z^{M-q}] frac{1}{q!} exp((N-1)z).$$



Here we may suppose that $Mgt K$ because we get zero by inspection
otherwise. We thus have



$$N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}} M!
sum_{q=0}^K frac{1}{q!} frac{(N-1)^{M-q}}{(M-q)!}$$



or



$$bbox[5px,border:2px solid #00A000]{
N - frac{1}{N^{M-1}}
sum_{q=0}^K {Mchoose q} (N-1)^{M-q}.}$$



We can verify this formula by enumeration, which is
shown below.




with(combinat);

ENUMX :=
proc(N, M, K)
option remember;
local res, part, psize, mset, adm;

res := 0;

part := firstpart(M);

while type(part, `list`) do
psize := nops(part);
mset := convert(part, `multiset`);

adm :=
nops(select(ent -> ent > K, part));

res := res + adm * binomial(N, psize) *
M!/mul(p!, p in part) *
psize!/mul(p[2]!, p in mset);

part := nextpart(part);
od;

res/N^M;
end;

X := (N, M, K)
-> N - 1/N^(M-1)
*add(binomial(M,q)*(N-1)^(M-q), q=0..K);






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  • could please expand the starting points about sets considered, thanks
    – G Cab
    Nov 22 at 22:13










  • This is from page 100, II.2. "Admissible labelled constructions" of Analytic Combinatorics by Flajolet & Sedgewick, table is on page 104. Distributing balls into $N$ urns is the same as partitioning the $M$ balls into $N$ sets, possibly empty.
    – Marko Riedel
    Nov 23 at 15:24




















  • could please expand the starting points about sets considered, thanks
    – G Cab
    Nov 22 at 22:13










  • This is from page 100, II.2. "Admissible labelled constructions" of Analytic Combinatorics by Flajolet & Sedgewick, table is on page 104. Distributing balls into $N$ urns is the same as partitioning the $M$ balls into $N$ sets, possibly empty.
    – Marko Riedel
    Nov 23 at 15:24


















could please expand the starting points about sets considered, thanks
– G Cab
Nov 22 at 22:13




could please expand the starting points about sets considered, thanks
– G Cab
Nov 22 at 22:13












This is from page 100, II.2. "Admissible labelled constructions" of Analytic Combinatorics by Flajolet & Sedgewick, table is on page 104. Distributing balls into $N$ urns is the same as partitioning the $M$ balls into $N$ sets, possibly empty.
– Marko Riedel
Nov 23 at 15:24






This is from page 100, II.2. "Admissible labelled constructions" of Analytic Combinatorics by Flajolet & Sedgewick, table is on page 104. Distributing balls into $N$ urns is the same as partitioning the $M$ balls into $N$ sets, possibly empty.
– Marko Riedel
Nov 23 at 15:24












up vote
1
down vote













Extending the method given by user Henry in 119076, the probability that each urn has more than $K$ balls inside is



$1-sum_{i=0}^{K}frac{M^{i}(N-1)^{M-i}}{N^{M}}$



which means that the number of bins that have more than K balls inside would be $N$ times the probability for a single urn, or



$N(1-sum_{i=0}^{K}frac{M^{i}(N-1)^{M-i}}{N^{M}})$



Basically, you calculate the probability that an urn has of having 0, 1, 2, ... K balls inside, and subtract that probability from 1.






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  • Thank you for the help. I believe the inside of the sum should be a term from the binomial distribution. What you have seems to work for the first 2 values of i but not afterwards.
    – Jason
    Nov 22 at 21:19















up vote
1
down vote













Extending the method given by user Henry in 119076, the probability that each urn has more than $K$ balls inside is



$1-sum_{i=0}^{K}frac{M^{i}(N-1)^{M-i}}{N^{M}}$



which means that the number of bins that have more than K balls inside would be $N$ times the probability for a single urn, or



$N(1-sum_{i=0}^{K}frac{M^{i}(N-1)^{M-i}}{N^{M}})$



Basically, you calculate the probability that an urn has of having 0, 1, 2, ... K balls inside, and subtract that probability from 1.






share|cite|improve this answer





















  • Thank you for the help. I believe the inside of the sum should be a term from the binomial distribution. What you have seems to work for the first 2 values of i but not afterwards.
    – Jason
    Nov 22 at 21:19













up vote
1
down vote










up vote
1
down vote









Extending the method given by user Henry in 119076, the probability that each urn has more than $K$ balls inside is



$1-sum_{i=0}^{K}frac{M^{i}(N-1)^{M-i}}{N^{M}}$



which means that the number of bins that have more than K balls inside would be $N$ times the probability for a single urn, or



$N(1-sum_{i=0}^{K}frac{M^{i}(N-1)^{M-i}}{N^{M}})$



Basically, you calculate the probability that an urn has of having 0, 1, 2, ... K balls inside, and subtract that probability from 1.






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Extending the method given by user Henry in 119076, the probability that each urn has more than $K$ balls inside is



$1-sum_{i=0}^{K}frac{M^{i}(N-1)^{M-i}}{N^{M}}$



which means that the number of bins that have more than K balls inside would be $N$ times the probability for a single urn, or



$N(1-sum_{i=0}^{K}frac{M^{i}(N-1)^{M-i}}{N^{M}})$



Basically, you calculate the probability that an urn has of having 0, 1, 2, ... K balls inside, and subtract that probability from 1.







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  • Thank you for the help. I believe the inside of the sum should be a term from the binomial distribution. What you have seems to work for the first 2 values of i but not afterwards.
    – Jason
    Nov 22 at 21:19


















  • Thank you for the help. I believe the inside of the sum should be a term from the binomial distribution. What you have seems to work for the first 2 values of i but not afterwards.
    – Jason
    Nov 22 at 21:19
















Thank you for the help. I believe the inside of the sum should be a term from the binomial distribution. What you have seems to work for the first 2 values of i but not afterwards.
– Jason
Nov 22 at 21:19




Thank you for the help. I believe the inside of the sum should be a term from the binomial distribution. What you have seems to work for the first 2 values of i but not afterwards.
– Jason
Nov 22 at 21:19


















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