Solving the system $2{sqrt 2}sin(x) +3cos(y) =3.5$ and $2sin(2x)+5cos(2y)=-0.5$












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$$begin{align}
2{sqrt 2}sin(phantom{2}x) +3cos(phantom{2}y) &= phantom{-}3.5 \
2sin(2x)+5cos(2y)&=-0.5
end{align}$$



I've gotten to the point where I've gotten an equation for $sin x$ and $cos x$ using the double angle formulae, but they're horrible roots of quadratics and I don't believe it to be a good method, how else could I attempt this question?










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    I don't see a good method for this system, I am getting 12 solutions...
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    – David
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    @David. I do not see so many solutions (only two for the $[0,2pi]$ range. Could you tell me what you did ? Thanks.
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    – Claude Leibovici
    Dec 4 '18 at 7:01
















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$$begin{align}
2{sqrt 2}sin(phantom{2}x) +3cos(phantom{2}y) &= phantom{-}3.5 \
2sin(2x)+5cos(2y)&=-0.5
end{align}$$



I've gotten to the point where I've gotten an equation for $sin x$ and $cos x$ using the double angle formulae, but they're horrible roots of quadratics and I don't believe it to be a good method, how else could I attempt this question?










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    I don't see a good method for this system, I am getting 12 solutions...
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    – David
    Dec 4 '18 at 2:15










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    @David. I do not see so many solutions (only two for the $[0,2pi]$ range. Could you tell me what you did ? Thanks.
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    – Claude Leibovici
    Dec 4 '18 at 7:01














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$$begin{align}
2{sqrt 2}sin(phantom{2}x) +3cos(phantom{2}y) &= phantom{-}3.5 \
2sin(2x)+5cos(2y)&=-0.5
end{align}$$



I've gotten to the point where I've gotten an equation for $sin x$ and $cos x$ using the double angle formulae, but they're horrible roots of quadratics and I don't believe it to be a good method, how else could I attempt this question?










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$$begin{align}
2{sqrt 2}sin(phantom{2}x) +3cos(phantom{2}y) &= phantom{-}3.5 \
2sin(2x)+5cos(2y)&=-0.5
end{align}$$



I've gotten to the point where I've gotten an equation for $sin x$ and $cos x$ using the double angle formulae, but they're horrible roots of quadratics and I don't believe it to be a good method, how else could I attempt this question?







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    I don't see a good method for this system, I am getting 12 solutions...
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    – David
    Dec 4 '18 at 2:15










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    @David. I do not see so many solutions (only two for the $[0,2pi]$ range. Could you tell me what you did ? Thanks.
    $endgroup$
    – Claude Leibovici
    Dec 4 '18 at 7:01


















  • $begingroup$
    I don't see a good method for this system, I am getting 12 solutions...
    $endgroup$
    – David
    Dec 4 '18 at 2:15










  • $begingroup$
    @David. I do not see so many solutions (only two for the $[0,2pi]$ range. Could you tell me what you did ? Thanks.
    $endgroup$
    – Claude Leibovici
    Dec 4 '18 at 7:01
















$begingroup$
I don't see a good method for this system, I am getting 12 solutions...
$endgroup$
– David
Dec 4 '18 at 2:15




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I don't see a good method for this system, I am getting 12 solutions...
$endgroup$
– David
Dec 4 '18 at 2:15












$begingroup$
@David. I do not see so many solutions (only two for the $[0,2pi]$ range. Could you tell me what you did ? Thanks.
$endgroup$
– Claude Leibovici
Dec 4 '18 at 7:01




$begingroup$
@David. I do not see so many solutions (only two for the $[0,2pi]$ range. Could you tell me what you did ? Thanks.
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Consider the system
$$begin{align}
aphantom{2}sin x +bphantom{2}cos y &= p tag{1}\
csin 2x + d cos 2y &= q tag{2}
end{align}$$

With $sin 2x=2sin xcos x$ and $cos 2y=2cos^2y-1$, we can write $(2)$ as
$$begin{align}
2csin xcos x= q - d ( 2cos^2 y - 1 ) tag{3}
end{align}$$

Squaring both sides and writing $cos^2 x$ as $1-sin^2 x$ gives
$$4 c^2 sin^2x(1-sin^2 x)= left(;q-d(2cos^2 y-1);right)^2 tag{4}$$



Now, we can use $(1)$ to eliminate $sin x$ from $(4)$. There's no real benefit in continuing symbolically, so I'll give the result of substituting the specific constants $a=2sqrt{2}$, $b=3$, $c=2$, $d=5$, $p=7/2$, $q=-1/2$. Conveniently, we have some factorization:
$$(2cos y - 1) left(3848 cos^3y- 1100cos^2 y + 1286cos y- 2129 right) = 0 tag{5}$$
(Note that this would not be so evident if we had eliminated $cos y$ to get a quartic in $sin x$.) So, one solution arises from




$$cos y = frac12quadtoquad y = pmfrac13pi quadtoquad
begin{cases}
2sqrt{2}sin x &= 2 ;(text{from} (1)) \
2 sin2x &= 2 ;(text{from} (2))
end{cases} quadtoquad x = frac14 pi tag{6}$$




(with appropriate additions or adjustments for the domain of interest). For the remaining roots, we can use numerical methods (or Mathematica's Solve function) on the cubic factor of $(5)$. Two resulting values of $cos y$ are non-real; the third is $cos y = 0.7752ldots$, and we deduce




$$y = pm0.6836ldots qquad x=2.713ldots tag{7}$$







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    For sure, this is an ugly problem and a numerical method should be used.



    What I did was to take $y$ form the first equation
    $$cos(y)=frac{1}{3} left(frac{7}{2}-2 sqrt{2} sin (x)right)implies y=pmcos ^{-1}left(frac{1}{6} left(7-4 sqrt{2} sin (x)right)right)$$ Replace $y$ in the second equation and plot
    $$f(x)=2sin(2x)+5cos(2y)+0.5$$ For the range $0 leq x leq 2pi$, roots look to be close to $x=frac pi 4$ and to $x=pi$. In fact $fleft(frac{pi }{4}right)=0$; so we have one root.



    For the second root, we could expand $f(x)$ as a Taylor series built at $x=pi$ and get
    $$f(x)=frac{82}{9}+left(4+frac{140 sqrt{2}}{9}right) (x-pi )+frac{80}{9} (x-pi
    )^2+Oleft((x-pi )^3right)$$
    Ignoring the higher order terms and solving the quadratic leads to the approximation
    $$x = pi-frac{5 sqrt{2}-3}{10} approx 2.73449$$ while the "exact" solution is $2.71351$.



    For sure, we could be better using on more term in the Taylor expansion to get
    $$f(x)=frac{82}{9}+left(4+frac{140 sqrt{2}}{9}right) (x-pi )+frac{80}{9} (x-pi
    )^2-frac{2left(36+35 sqrt{2}right)}{27} (x-pi )^3+Oleft((x-pi )^4right)$$
    and solve this nasty cubic equation (awful expressions for the three real roots) and the solution of interest is $2.70626$ which is better but at the price of a small nightmare.



    Using Newton method with $x_0=pi$ would give the following iterates
    $$left(
    begin{array}{cc}
    n & x_n \
    0 & 3.14159 \
    1 & 2.79115 \
    2 & 2.71796 \
    3 & 2.71353 \
    4 & 2.71351
    end{array}
    right)$$






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      Consider the system
      $$begin{align}
      aphantom{2}sin x +bphantom{2}cos y &= p tag{1}\
      csin 2x + d cos 2y &= q tag{2}
      end{align}$$

      With $sin 2x=2sin xcos x$ and $cos 2y=2cos^2y-1$, we can write $(2)$ as
      $$begin{align}
      2csin xcos x= q - d ( 2cos^2 y - 1 ) tag{3}
      end{align}$$

      Squaring both sides and writing $cos^2 x$ as $1-sin^2 x$ gives
      $$4 c^2 sin^2x(1-sin^2 x)= left(;q-d(2cos^2 y-1);right)^2 tag{4}$$



      Now, we can use $(1)$ to eliminate $sin x$ from $(4)$. There's no real benefit in continuing symbolically, so I'll give the result of substituting the specific constants $a=2sqrt{2}$, $b=3$, $c=2$, $d=5$, $p=7/2$, $q=-1/2$. Conveniently, we have some factorization:
      $$(2cos y - 1) left(3848 cos^3y- 1100cos^2 y + 1286cos y- 2129 right) = 0 tag{5}$$
      (Note that this would not be so evident if we had eliminated $cos y$ to get a quartic in $sin x$.) So, one solution arises from




      $$cos y = frac12quadtoquad y = pmfrac13pi quadtoquad
      begin{cases}
      2sqrt{2}sin x &= 2 ;(text{from} (1)) \
      2 sin2x &= 2 ;(text{from} (2))
      end{cases} quadtoquad x = frac14 pi tag{6}$$




      (with appropriate additions or adjustments for the domain of interest). For the remaining roots, we can use numerical methods (or Mathematica's Solve function) on the cubic factor of $(5)$. Two resulting values of $cos y$ are non-real; the third is $cos y = 0.7752ldots$, and we deduce




      $$y = pm0.6836ldots qquad x=2.713ldots tag{7}$$







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        Consider the system
        $$begin{align}
        aphantom{2}sin x +bphantom{2}cos y &= p tag{1}\
        csin 2x + d cos 2y &= q tag{2}
        end{align}$$

        With $sin 2x=2sin xcos x$ and $cos 2y=2cos^2y-1$, we can write $(2)$ as
        $$begin{align}
        2csin xcos x= q - d ( 2cos^2 y - 1 ) tag{3}
        end{align}$$

        Squaring both sides and writing $cos^2 x$ as $1-sin^2 x$ gives
        $$4 c^2 sin^2x(1-sin^2 x)= left(;q-d(2cos^2 y-1);right)^2 tag{4}$$



        Now, we can use $(1)$ to eliminate $sin x$ from $(4)$. There's no real benefit in continuing symbolically, so I'll give the result of substituting the specific constants $a=2sqrt{2}$, $b=3$, $c=2$, $d=5$, $p=7/2$, $q=-1/2$. Conveniently, we have some factorization:
        $$(2cos y - 1) left(3848 cos^3y- 1100cos^2 y + 1286cos y- 2129 right) = 0 tag{5}$$
        (Note that this would not be so evident if we had eliminated $cos y$ to get a quartic in $sin x$.) So, one solution arises from




        $$cos y = frac12quadtoquad y = pmfrac13pi quadtoquad
        begin{cases}
        2sqrt{2}sin x &= 2 ;(text{from} (1)) \
        2 sin2x &= 2 ;(text{from} (2))
        end{cases} quadtoquad x = frac14 pi tag{6}$$




        (with appropriate additions or adjustments for the domain of interest). For the remaining roots, we can use numerical methods (or Mathematica's Solve function) on the cubic factor of $(5)$. Two resulting values of $cos y$ are non-real; the third is $cos y = 0.7752ldots$, and we deduce




        $$y = pm0.6836ldots qquad x=2.713ldots tag{7}$$







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          Consider the system
          $$begin{align}
          aphantom{2}sin x +bphantom{2}cos y &= p tag{1}\
          csin 2x + d cos 2y &= q tag{2}
          end{align}$$

          With $sin 2x=2sin xcos x$ and $cos 2y=2cos^2y-1$, we can write $(2)$ as
          $$begin{align}
          2csin xcos x= q - d ( 2cos^2 y - 1 ) tag{3}
          end{align}$$

          Squaring both sides and writing $cos^2 x$ as $1-sin^2 x$ gives
          $$4 c^2 sin^2x(1-sin^2 x)= left(;q-d(2cos^2 y-1);right)^2 tag{4}$$



          Now, we can use $(1)$ to eliminate $sin x$ from $(4)$. There's no real benefit in continuing symbolically, so I'll give the result of substituting the specific constants $a=2sqrt{2}$, $b=3$, $c=2$, $d=5$, $p=7/2$, $q=-1/2$. Conveniently, we have some factorization:
          $$(2cos y - 1) left(3848 cos^3y- 1100cos^2 y + 1286cos y- 2129 right) = 0 tag{5}$$
          (Note that this would not be so evident if we had eliminated $cos y$ to get a quartic in $sin x$.) So, one solution arises from




          $$cos y = frac12quadtoquad y = pmfrac13pi quadtoquad
          begin{cases}
          2sqrt{2}sin x &= 2 ;(text{from} (1)) \
          2 sin2x &= 2 ;(text{from} (2))
          end{cases} quadtoquad x = frac14 pi tag{6}$$




          (with appropriate additions or adjustments for the domain of interest). For the remaining roots, we can use numerical methods (or Mathematica's Solve function) on the cubic factor of $(5)$. Two resulting values of $cos y$ are non-real; the third is $cos y = 0.7752ldots$, and we deduce




          $$y = pm0.6836ldots qquad x=2.713ldots tag{7}$$







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          Consider the system
          $$begin{align}
          aphantom{2}sin x +bphantom{2}cos y &= p tag{1}\
          csin 2x + d cos 2y &= q tag{2}
          end{align}$$

          With $sin 2x=2sin xcos x$ and $cos 2y=2cos^2y-1$, we can write $(2)$ as
          $$begin{align}
          2csin xcos x= q - d ( 2cos^2 y - 1 ) tag{3}
          end{align}$$

          Squaring both sides and writing $cos^2 x$ as $1-sin^2 x$ gives
          $$4 c^2 sin^2x(1-sin^2 x)= left(;q-d(2cos^2 y-1);right)^2 tag{4}$$



          Now, we can use $(1)$ to eliminate $sin x$ from $(4)$. There's no real benefit in continuing symbolically, so I'll give the result of substituting the specific constants $a=2sqrt{2}$, $b=3$, $c=2$, $d=5$, $p=7/2$, $q=-1/2$. Conveniently, we have some factorization:
          $$(2cos y - 1) left(3848 cos^3y- 1100cos^2 y + 1286cos y- 2129 right) = 0 tag{5}$$
          (Note that this would not be so evident if we had eliminated $cos y$ to get a quartic in $sin x$.) So, one solution arises from




          $$cos y = frac12quadtoquad y = pmfrac13pi quadtoquad
          begin{cases}
          2sqrt{2}sin x &= 2 ;(text{from} (1)) \
          2 sin2x &= 2 ;(text{from} (2))
          end{cases} quadtoquad x = frac14 pi tag{6}$$




          (with appropriate additions or adjustments for the domain of interest). For the remaining roots, we can use numerical methods (or Mathematica's Solve function) on the cubic factor of $(5)$. Two resulting values of $cos y$ are non-real; the third is $cos y = 0.7752ldots$, and we deduce




          $$y = pm0.6836ldots qquad x=2.713ldots tag{7}$$








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              For sure, this is an ugly problem and a numerical method should be used.



              What I did was to take $y$ form the first equation
              $$cos(y)=frac{1}{3} left(frac{7}{2}-2 sqrt{2} sin (x)right)implies y=pmcos ^{-1}left(frac{1}{6} left(7-4 sqrt{2} sin (x)right)right)$$ Replace $y$ in the second equation and plot
              $$f(x)=2sin(2x)+5cos(2y)+0.5$$ For the range $0 leq x leq 2pi$, roots look to be close to $x=frac pi 4$ and to $x=pi$. In fact $fleft(frac{pi }{4}right)=0$; so we have one root.



              For the second root, we could expand $f(x)$ as a Taylor series built at $x=pi$ and get
              $$f(x)=frac{82}{9}+left(4+frac{140 sqrt{2}}{9}right) (x-pi )+frac{80}{9} (x-pi
              )^2+Oleft((x-pi )^3right)$$
              Ignoring the higher order terms and solving the quadratic leads to the approximation
              $$x = pi-frac{5 sqrt{2}-3}{10} approx 2.73449$$ while the "exact" solution is $2.71351$.



              For sure, we could be better using on more term in the Taylor expansion to get
              $$f(x)=frac{82}{9}+left(4+frac{140 sqrt{2}}{9}right) (x-pi )+frac{80}{9} (x-pi
              )^2-frac{2left(36+35 sqrt{2}right)}{27} (x-pi )^3+Oleft((x-pi )^4right)$$
              and solve this nasty cubic equation (awful expressions for the three real roots) and the solution of interest is $2.70626$ which is better but at the price of a small nightmare.



              Using Newton method with $x_0=pi$ would give the following iterates
              $$left(
              begin{array}{cc}
              n & x_n \
              0 & 3.14159 \
              1 & 2.79115 \
              2 & 2.71796 \
              3 & 2.71353 \
              4 & 2.71351
              end{array}
              right)$$






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                For sure, this is an ugly problem and a numerical method should be used.



                What I did was to take $y$ form the first equation
                $$cos(y)=frac{1}{3} left(frac{7}{2}-2 sqrt{2} sin (x)right)implies y=pmcos ^{-1}left(frac{1}{6} left(7-4 sqrt{2} sin (x)right)right)$$ Replace $y$ in the second equation and plot
                $$f(x)=2sin(2x)+5cos(2y)+0.5$$ For the range $0 leq x leq 2pi$, roots look to be close to $x=frac pi 4$ and to $x=pi$. In fact $fleft(frac{pi }{4}right)=0$; so we have one root.



                For the second root, we could expand $f(x)$ as a Taylor series built at $x=pi$ and get
                $$f(x)=frac{82}{9}+left(4+frac{140 sqrt{2}}{9}right) (x-pi )+frac{80}{9} (x-pi
                )^2+Oleft((x-pi )^3right)$$
                Ignoring the higher order terms and solving the quadratic leads to the approximation
                $$x = pi-frac{5 sqrt{2}-3}{10} approx 2.73449$$ while the "exact" solution is $2.71351$.



                For sure, we could be better using on more term in the Taylor expansion to get
                $$f(x)=frac{82}{9}+left(4+frac{140 sqrt{2}}{9}right) (x-pi )+frac{80}{9} (x-pi
                )^2-frac{2left(36+35 sqrt{2}right)}{27} (x-pi )^3+Oleft((x-pi )^4right)$$
                and solve this nasty cubic equation (awful expressions for the three real roots) and the solution of interest is $2.70626$ which is better but at the price of a small nightmare.



                Using Newton method with $x_0=pi$ would give the following iterates
                $$left(
                begin{array}{cc}
                n & x_n \
                0 & 3.14159 \
                1 & 2.79115 \
                2 & 2.71796 \
                3 & 2.71353 \
                4 & 2.71351
                end{array}
                right)$$






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                  $begingroup$

                  For sure, this is an ugly problem and a numerical method should be used.



                  What I did was to take $y$ form the first equation
                  $$cos(y)=frac{1}{3} left(frac{7}{2}-2 sqrt{2} sin (x)right)implies y=pmcos ^{-1}left(frac{1}{6} left(7-4 sqrt{2} sin (x)right)right)$$ Replace $y$ in the second equation and plot
                  $$f(x)=2sin(2x)+5cos(2y)+0.5$$ For the range $0 leq x leq 2pi$, roots look to be close to $x=frac pi 4$ and to $x=pi$. In fact $fleft(frac{pi }{4}right)=0$; so we have one root.



                  For the second root, we could expand $f(x)$ as a Taylor series built at $x=pi$ and get
                  $$f(x)=frac{82}{9}+left(4+frac{140 sqrt{2}}{9}right) (x-pi )+frac{80}{9} (x-pi
                  )^2+Oleft((x-pi )^3right)$$
                  Ignoring the higher order terms and solving the quadratic leads to the approximation
                  $$x = pi-frac{5 sqrt{2}-3}{10} approx 2.73449$$ while the "exact" solution is $2.71351$.



                  For sure, we could be better using on more term in the Taylor expansion to get
                  $$f(x)=frac{82}{9}+left(4+frac{140 sqrt{2}}{9}right) (x-pi )+frac{80}{9} (x-pi
                  )^2-frac{2left(36+35 sqrt{2}right)}{27} (x-pi )^3+Oleft((x-pi )^4right)$$
                  and solve this nasty cubic equation (awful expressions for the three real roots) and the solution of interest is $2.70626$ which is better but at the price of a small nightmare.



                  Using Newton method with $x_0=pi$ would give the following iterates
                  $$left(
                  begin{array}{cc}
                  n & x_n \
                  0 & 3.14159 \
                  1 & 2.79115 \
                  2 & 2.71796 \
                  3 & 2.71353 \
                  4 & 2.71351
                  end{array}
                  right)$$






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                  For sure, this is an ugly problem and a numerical method should be used.



                  What I did was to take $y$ form the first equation
                  $$cos(y)=frac{1}{3} left(frac{7}{2}-2 sqrt{2} sin (x)right)implies y=pmcos ^{-1}left(frac{1}{6} left(7-4 sqrt{2} sin (x)right)right)$$ Replace $y$ in the second equation and plot
                  $$f(x)=2sin(2x)+5cos(2y)+0.5$$ For the range $0 leq x leq 2pi$, roots look to be close to $x=frac pi 4$ and to $x=pi$. In fact $fleft(frac{pi }{4}right)=0$; so we have one root.



                  For the second root, we could expand $f(x)$ as a Taylor series built at $x=pi$ and get
                  $$f(x)=frac{82}{9}+left(4+frac{140 sqrt{2}}{9}right) (x-pi )+frac{80}{9} (x-pi
                  )^2+Oleft((x-pi )^3right)$$
                  Ignoring the higher order terms and solving the quadratic leads to the approximation
                  $$x = pi-frac{5 sqrt{2}-3}{10} approx 2.73449$$ while the "exact" solution is $2.71351$.



                  For sure, we could be better using on more term in the Taylor expansion to get
                  $$f(x)=frac{82}{9}+left(4+frac{140 sqrt{2}}{9}right) (x-pi )+frac{80}{9} (x-pi
                  )^2-frac{2left(36+35 sqrt{2}right)}{27} (x-pi )^3+Oleft((x-pi )^4right)$$
                  and solve this nasty cubic equation (awful expressions for the three real roots) and the solution of interest is $2.70626$ which is better but at the price of a small nightmare.



                  Using Newton method with $x_0=pi$ would give the following iterates
                  $$left(
                  begin{array}{cc}
                  n & x_n \
                  0 & 3.14159 \
                  1 & 2.79115 \
                  2 & 2.71796 \
                  3 & 2.71353 \
                  4 & 2.71351
                  end{array}
                  right)$$







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