What kind of “space force” would be needed to protect space assets in the near future?
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Even at present day, space assets are very valuable:
Our space assets, day by day, are growing by leaps and bounds. It's
the value of that satellite to the economy. - Neil deGrasse Tyson
Historically, the US Space Command has been around since 1985, and has played several important roles and undergone restructuring over the years leading up to the 2018 reestablishment. Now, it's especially easy to conjecture that conflict in space will be a distinct possibility. Here is Neil deGrasse Tyson again on a 1967 space treaty:
Now that I'm old and tired, it's just: 'Why should we promise to not
kill each other in space when we are not successful at doing that here
on Earth.'
As Tyson articulates later, space weaponization is unlikely to start with weapons aimed at earth, for it would be far to difficult too implement. He argues, that conflict will likely start by targeting enemy space assets.
With the motivation mapped out, what then are the hardships of the endeavor of safeguarding space assets? Here is another Earthling's take:
If you give an Audi to the wrong person, and he/she uses it to hurt
people, you've just made that Audi a weapon. So, what does it take to
destroy something in space? It takes a satellite, a sensor and a
maneuver capability. I've just described 90% of the US, Russian and
Chinese on-orbit constellations. - General John Hyten USAF Commander
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In the emerging theatre of operations that is space, what kind of space force would a state in the world I'm building strive for to protect its space assets, given Hyten's cautionary words that there are many points of attack?
Quality Metric: Solutions that are cost-efficient are preferable to budget-intense solutions. Also solutions that rely on highly speculative technology are weighted-down, and solutions that use better-documented emerging technologies are weighted-up.
Assumptions:
- conflict hasn't started yet but will be inevitable
- lead time to build the space force is unknown, at most 10 years
- assume present to near-future technology (near as in a few decades from now)
- Budget is flexible, but quality metric prefers efficiency
- assume we advise a hegemony-esque state that is faces rising powers and rivals having an increasing presence in space but not quite as powerful as the hegemony (maybe that position doesn't sound too bad, but factoring in assymetric warfare threats, the hegemony is also assumed to be alarmed)
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Even at present day, space assets are very valuable:
Our space assets, day by day, are growing by leaps and bounds. It's
the value of that satellite to the economy. - Neil deGrasse Tyson
Historically, the US Space Command has been around since 1985, and has played several important roles and undergone restructuring over the years leading up to the 2018 reestablishment. Now, it's especially easy to conjecture that conflict in space will be a distinct possibility. Here is Neil deGrasse Tyson again on a 1967 space treaty:
Now that I'm old and tired, it's just: 'Why should we promise to not
kill each other in space when we are not successful at doing that here
on Earth.'
As Tyson articulates later, space weaponization is unlikely to start with weapons aimed at earth, for it would be far to difficult too implement. He argues, that conflict will likely start by targeting enemy space assets.
With the motivation mapped out, what then are the hardships of the endeavor of safeguarding space assets? Here is another Earthling's take:
If you give an Audi to the wrong person, and he/she uses it to hurt
people, you've just made that Audi a weapon. So, what does it take to
destroy something in space? It takes a satellite, a sensor and a
maneuver capability. I've just described 90% of the US, Russian and
Chinese on-orbit constellations. - General John Hyten USAF Commander
Question
In the emerging theatre of operations that is space, what kind of space force would a state in the world I'm building strive for to protect its space assets, given Hyten's cautionary words that there are many points of attack?
Quality Metric: Solutions that are cost-efficient are preferable to budget-intense solutions. Also solutions that rely on highly speculative technology are weighted-down, and solutions that use better-documented emerging technologies are weighted-up.
Assumptions:
- conflict hasn't started yet but will be inevitable
- lead time to build the space force is unknown, at most 10 years
- assume present to near-future technology (near as in a few decades from now)
- Budget is flexible, but quality metric prefers efficiency
- assume we advise a hegemony-esque state that is faces rising powers and rivals having an increasing presence in space but not quite as powerful as the hegemony (maybe that position doesn't sound too bad, but factoring in assymetric warfare threats, the hegemony is also assumed to be alarmed)
warfare space earth-like government near-future
The only real defense is offense: destroy every single hostile sattelite and every single planet based anti-sattelite capable base. Unfortunately destroying enemy sattelites is almost as dangerous as letting your enemy use them. The debris will be dangerous to any sattelite and destruction of most sattelites will cause so much problems that even replacement sattelites will be at risk. Its like a nuclear war but your explosions are just as likely to destroy your lands with the secondary effects as they are of your enemy. Best bet is not to play it at all.
– Demigan
56 mins ago
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Even at present day, space assets are very valuable:
Our space assets, day by day, are growing by leaps and bounds. It's
the value of that satellite to the economy. - Neil deGrasse Tyson
Historically, the US Space Command has been around since 1985, and has played several important roles and undergone restructuring over the years leading up to the 2018 reestablishment. Now, it's especially easy to conjecture that conflict in space will be a distinct possibility. Here is Neil deGrasse Tyson again on a 1967 space treaty:
Now that I'm old and tired, it's just: 'Why should we promise to not
kill each other in space when we are not successful at doing that here
on Earth.'
As Tyson articulates later, space weaponization is unlikely to start with weapons aimed at earth, for it would be far to difficult too implement. He argues, that conflict will likely start by targeting enemy space assets.
With the motivation mapped out, what then are the hardships of the endeavor of safeguarding space assets? Here is another Earthling's take:
If you give an Audi to the wrong person, and he/she uses it to hurt
people, you've just made that Audi a weapon. So, what does it take to
destroy something in space? It takes a satellite, a sensor and a
maneuver capability. I've just described 90% of the US, Russian and
Chinese on-orbit constellations. - General John Hyten USAF Commander
Question
In the emerging theatre of operations that is space, what kind of space force would a state in the world I'm building strive for to protect its space assets, given Hyten's cautionary words that there are many points of attack?
Quality Metric: Solutions that are cost-efficient are preferable to budget-intense solutions. Also solutions that rely on highly speculative technology are weighted-down, and solutions that use better-documented emerging technologies are weighted-up.
Assumptions:
- conflict hasn't started yet but will be inevitable
- lead time to build the space force is unknown, at most 10 years
- assume present to near-future technology (near as in a few decades from now)
- Budget is flexible, but quality metric prefers efficiency
- assume we advise a hegemony-esque state that is faces rising powers and rivals having an increasing presence in space but not quite as powerful as the hegemony (maybe that position doesn't sound too bad, but factoring in assymetric warfare threats, the hegemony is also assumed to be alarmed)
warfare space earth-like government near-future
Premise
Even at present day, space assets are very valuable:
Our space assets, day by day, are growing by leaps and bounds. It's
the value of that satellite to the economy. - Neil deGrasse Tyson
Historically, the US Space Command has been around since 1985, and has played several important roles and undergone restructuring over the years leading up to the 2018 reestablishment. Now, it's especially easy to conjecture that conflict in space will be a distinct possibility. Here is Neil deGrasse Tyson again on a 1967 space treaty:
Now that I'm old and tired, it's just: 'Why should we promise to not
kill each other in space when we are not successful at doing that here
on Earth.'
As Tyson articulates later, space weaponization is unlikely to start with weapons aimed at earth, for it would be far to difficult too implement. He argues, that conflict will likely start by targeting enemy space assets.
With the motivation mapped out, what then are the hardships of the endeavor of safeguarding space assets? Here is another Earthling's take:
If you give an Audi to the wrong person, and he/she uses it to hurt
people, you've just made that Audi a weapon. So, what does it take to
destroy something in space? It takes a satellite, a sensor and a
maneuver capability. I've just described 90% of the US, Russian and
Chinese on-orbit constellations. - General John Hyten USAF Commander
Question
In the emerging theatre of operations that is space, what kind of space force would a state in the world I'm building strive for to protect its space assets, given Hyten's cautionary words that there are many points of attack?
Quality Metric: Solutions that are cost-efficient are preferable to budget-intense solutions. Also solutions that rely on highly speculative technology are weighted-down, and solutions that use better-documented emerging technologies are weighted-up.
Assumptions:
- conflict hasn't started yet but will be inevitable
- lead time to build the space force is unknown, at most 10 years
- assume present to near-future technology (near as in a few decades from now)
- Budget is flexible, but quality metric prefers efficiency
- assume we advise a hegemony-esque state that is faces rising powers and rivals having an increasing presence in space but not quite as powerful as the hegemony (maybe that position doesn't sound too bad, but factoring in assymetric warfare threats, the hegemony is also assumed to be alarmed)
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The only real defense is offense: destroy every single hostile sattelite and every single planet based anti-sattelite capable base. Unfortunately destroying enemy sattelites is almost as dangerous as letting your enemy use them. The debris will be dangerous to any sattelite and destruction of most sattelites will cause so much problems that even replacement sattelites will be at risk. Its like a nuclear war but your explosions are just as likely to destroy your lands with the secondary effects as they are of your enemy. Best bet is not to play it at all.
– Demigan
56 mins ago
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The only real defense is offense: destroy every single hostile sattelite and every single planet based anti-sattelite capable base. Unfortunately destroying enemy sattelites is almost as dangerous as letting your enemy use them. The debris will be dangerous to any sattelite and destruction of most sattelites will cause so much problems that even replacement sattelites will be at risk. Its like a nuclear war but your explosions are just as likely to destroy your lands with the secondary effects as they are of your enemy. Best bet is not to play it at all.
– Demigan
56 mins ago
The only real defense is offense: destroy every single hostile sattelite and every single planet based anti-sattelite capable base. Unfortunately destroying enemy sattelites is almost as dangerous as letting your enemy use them. The debris will be dangerous to any sattelite and destruction of most sattelites will cause so much problems that even replacement sattelites will be at risk. Its like a nuclear war but your explosions are just as likely to destroy your lands with the secondary effects as they are of your enemy. Best bet is not to play it at all.
– Demigan
56 mins ago
The only real defense is offense: destroy every single hostile sattelite and every single planet based anti-sattelite capable base. Unfortunately destroying enemy sattelites is almost as dangerous as letting your enemy use them. The debris will be dangerous to any sattelite and destruction of most sattelites will cause so much problems that even replacement sattelites will be at risk. Its like a nuclear war but your explosions are just as likely to destroy your lands with the secondary effects as they are of your enemy. Best bet is not to play it at all.
– Demigan
56 mins ago
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It starts with surveillance, numbers and stealth, then increasing capability, but not in the way you would think
Any object in space is defenceless in a frontal attack, as demonstrated recently a missile aimed at a satellite will destroy it with little trouble. Armour would not work, active defences can be countermeasured easily.
Surveillance is a likely (and already used) aspect of space satellites to defend space assets. By constantly monitoring the ground, and other satellites, you would be able to build a picture of what is happening, and indeed what is likely to happen, and take pre-emptive action - perhaps even just using conventional ground forces. This is easily your first line of defence - prevention is always better than cure.
Numbers is next - if you saturate space with a network of spy satellites with high levels of redundancy it would make it more difficult to dismantle. You can even place inordinate amounts of low-grade 'dummy' satellites as diversionary ways to expend enemy resources without much effort.
Stealth - As in most scenarios, if you know something your opponent does not, it gives you an advantage. Stealth, or even the ability to have it, may give you a de-facto 'fleet in being', without requiring too much resources to maintain, and simply maintain peace because it is too risky due to unknown satellites. Nano-satellites, radar-absorbing material, data encoding in civilian satellites, are examples of this.
Capability - so not a large fleet of space warships, which could be destroyed easily as they become only large targets, but simply large amounts of research into space technology, such that other countries find it difficult to 'catch up', and the strict non-disclosure of these. Examples of this is new drives, power generation, data encryption and increasing data bandwidth. Eventually bases placed 'out of reach' on the moon or far afield in space are the next step, but they will be redundant once detected or your competitor catches up with capability. (Hence a Space Race).
All of these are not a 'Space Force' in a traditional sense but are the likely initial steps of your scenario.
However, having said that, it is easy to see that the reason it is better to be Cooperative, instead of Confrontational, being that space conflict is expensive, difficult, and the outcome is not certain.
Cooperation yields a synergy between international civilian / commercial imperatives and national ones such that peace can be achieved cheaper and more assured, which has been the preference recently.
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Strictly speaking, you only need two things for this, and they don't even need any 'new' technology:
- You need to know where everything (not just satellites, but debris too) is up there.
- You need to be able to have your satellites dodge incoming objects.
The second part is easy, most of the satellites that would be attractive targets already have some form of maneuvering thrusters for station keeping. The first part is actually the tricky one. The general public actually has access to information on where most of the active satellites are up there. The various space agencies have reasonably accurate maps of debris on top of that, and the government knows where their own classified stuff is. This means they just need to figure out where other people's classified satellites are, as those are the most obvious tool for attacking things up there.
Once you've got that information, you just watch for deviation from expected orbits, and dodge things coming your way. The mapping and tracking itself could be easily automated, and with a bit of work, the whole setup could be automated, which would reduce your long-term costs to whatever it takes to maintain the equipment (probably on the order of at most a few million a year, possibly as low as a few hundred thousand if we can avoid the typical governmental inefficiencies).
There are three limitations to this simplistic but inexpensive approach:
- Attacks will still cause some disruption. This is actually unavoidable unless you can deorbit the hostile objects, but allowing for that would exponentially increase the budget requirements.
- It doesn't get rid of the threat. Again, doing this safely would require forcibly deorbiting the hostile objects.
- It depends on the friendly satellites' maneuvering thrusters not being fuel-limited. IOW, they need to use something for station keeping that doesn't require refueling, otherwise this approach drastically reduces expected operational lifetimes for the satellites.
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You cannot protect your space assets.
Not against a determined, near-peer competitor. Putting a ball bearing or a small guided KE interceptor on a collision course will be cheaper than launching the intelligence or navigation sat, and you cannot afford to dodge all the time. The delta-V of your sats is too precious for that.
Sats will move on fairly predictable orbits, and they will likely overfly the territory of the competitor.
That being said, make them easily replacable.
You cannot win a war of attrition, but be prepared for some losses.
- Make your space assets small and networked. Instead of a few big, multi-purpose assets, launch many small ones.
- Be prepared to launch replacements on short notice if a few of your sats are damaged.
Deter attacks against your space assets.
Make it clear that they are not just another unmanned drone. They're valuable to you.
- Tell people that you will take an attack on your space assets at least as seriously as an attack on your homeland. Say so consistently, over a long time. React to small provocations to drive the doctrine home.
- Tie some of them into your nuclear command-and-control system. That makes it credible that you would see an attack on your space assets as a first strike against your strategic forces, and that you would respond with a nuclear strike.
- Make your space assets valuable to other global powers. Right now, an attack on the GPS net would have vast global consequences. Anyone who did it would anger third countries.
- Route your sat communications through contracted commercial sats which are used by the civilian economy.
- Place your military assets where the debris of an attack would interfere with civilian assets (a "civilian shield" strategy might not be illegal if the shielding assets are unmanned).
Hide a few space assets.
That malfunctioned commercial sat, that payload shroud from a space launch, are they really orbital junk or are they passive listeners (or in-orbit spares)?
Except for that sattelite replacement which is still ludicrously expensive and time consuming since you wont have them just lying around this is a great answer.
– Demigan
1 hour ago
@Demigan, if you really need space power for your style of warfare and economy, then you should have spare sats and launch systems on standby. Perhaps not 24/7 launch readiness, but enough to reconstitute a space capability if the enemy destroyed your sats and you then defeated him anyway. The ability to do that prevents a competitor with just a few ASAT missiles from holding your GPS or early warning hostage.
– o.m.
28 mins ago
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It starts with surveillance, numbers and stealth, then increasing capability, but not in the way you would think
Any object in space is defenceless in a frontal attack, as demonstrated recently a missile aimed at a satellite will destroy it with little trouble. Armour would not work, active defences can be countermeasured easily.
Surveillance is a likely (and already used) aspect of space satellites to defend space assets. By constantly monitoring the ground, and other satellites, you would be able to build a picture of what is happening, and indeed what is likely to happen, and take pre-emptive action - perhaps even just using conventional ground forces. This is easily your first line of defence - prevention is always better than cure.
Numbers is next - if you saturate space with a network of spy satellites with high levels of redundancy it would make it more difficult to dismantle. You can even place inordinate amounts of low-grade 'dummy' satellites as diversionary ways to expend enemy resources without much effort.
Stealth - As in most scenarios, if you know something your opponent does not, it gives you an advantage. Stealth, or even the ability to have it, may give you a de-facto 'fleet in being', without requiring too much resources to maintain, and simply maintain peace because it is too risky due to unknown satellites. Nano-satellites, radar-absorbing material, data encoding in civilian satellites, are examples of this.
Capability - so not a large fleet of space warships, which could be destroyed easily as they become only large targets, but simply large amounts of research into space technology, such that other countries find it difficult to 'catch up', and the strict non-disclosure of these. Examples of this is new drives, power generation, data encryption and increasing data bandwidth. Eventually bases placed 'out of reach' on the moon or far afield in space are the next step, but they will be redundant once detected or your competitor catches up with capability. (Hence a Space Race).
All of these are not a 'Space Force' in a traditional sense but are the likely initial steps of your scenario.
However, having said that, it is easy to see that the reason it is better to be Cooperative, instead of Confrontational, being that space conflict is expensive, difficult, and the outcome is not certain.
Cooperation yields a synergy between international civilian / commercial imperatives and national ones such that peace can be achieved cheaper and more assured, which has been the preference recently.
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It starts with surveillance, numbers and stealth, then increasing capability, but not in the way you would think
Any object in space is defenceless in a frontal attack, as demonstrated recently a missile aimed at a satellite will destroy it with little trouble. Armour would not work, active defences can be countermeasured easily.
Surveillance is a likely (and already used) aspect of space satellites to defend space assets. By constantly monitoring the ground, and other satellites, you would be able to build a picture of what is happening, and indeed what is likely to happen, and take pre-emptive action - perhaps even just using conventional ground forces. This is easily your first line of defence - prevention is always better than cure.
Numbers is next - if you saturate space with a network of spy satellites with high levels of redundancy it would make it more difficult to dismantle. You can even place inordinate amounts of low-grade 'dummy' satellites as diversionary ways to expend enemy resources without much effort.
Stealth - As in most scenarios, if you know something your opponent does not, it gives you an advantage. Stealth, or even the ability to have it, may give you a de-facto 'fleet in being', without requiring too much resources to maintain, and simply maintain peace because it is too risky due to unknown satellites. Nano-satellites, radar-absorbing material, data encoding in civilian satellites, are examples of this.
Capability - so not a large fleet of space warships, which could be destroyed easily as they become only large targets, but simply large amounts of research into space technology, such that other countries find it difficult to 'catch up', and the strict non-disclosure of these. Examples of this is new drives, power generation, data encryption and increasing data bandwidth. Eventually bases placed 'out of reach' on the moon or far afield in space are the next step, but they will be redundant once detected or your competitor catches up with capability. (Hence a Space Race).
All of these are not a 'Space Force' in a traditional sense but are the likely initial steps of your scenario.
However, having said that, it is easy to see that the reason it is better to be Cooperative, instead of Confrontational, being that space conflict is expensive, difficult, and the outcome is not certain.
Cooperation yields a synergy between international civilian / commercial imperatives and national ones such that peace can be achieved cheaper and more assured, which has been the preference recently.
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It starts with surveillance, numbers and stealth, then increasing capability, but not in the way you would think
Any object in space is defenceless in a frontal attack, as demonstrated recently a missile aimed at a satellite will destroy it with little trouble. Armour would not work, active defences can be countermeasured easily.
Surveillance is a likely (and already used) aspect of space satellites to defend space assets. By constantly monitoring the ground, and other satellites, you would be able to build a picture of what is happening, and indeed what is likely to happen, and take pre-emptive action - perhaps even just using conventional ground forces. This is easily your first line of defence - prevention is always better than cure.
Numbers is next - if you saturate space with a network of spy satellites with high levels of redundancy it would make it more difficult to dismantle. You can even place inordinate amounts of low-grade 'dummy' satellites as diversionary ways to expend enemy resources without much effort.
Stealth - As in most scenarios, if you know something your opponent does not, it gives you an advantage. Stealth, or even the ability to have it, may give you a de-facto 'fleet in being', without requiring too much resources to maintain, and simply maintain peace because it is too risky due to unknown satellites. Nano-satellites, radar-absorbing material, data encoding in civilian satellites, are examples of this.
Capability - so not a large fleet of space warships, which could be destroyed easily as they become only large targets, but simply large amounts of research into space technology, such that other countries find it difficult to 'catch up', and the strict non-disclosure of these. Examples of this is new drives, power generation, data encryption and increasing data bandwidth. Eventually bases placed 'out of reach' on the moon or far afield in space are the next step, but they will be redundant once detected or your competitor catches up with capability. (Hence a Space Race).
All of these are not a 'Space Force' in a traditional sense but are the likely initial steps of your scenario.
However, having said that, it is easy to see that the reason it is better to be Cooperative, instead of Confrontational, being that space conflict is expensive, difficult, and the outcome is not certain.
Cooperation yields a synergy between international civilian / commercial imperatives and national ones such that peace can be achieved cheaper and more assured, which has been the preference recently.
It starts with surveillance, numbers and stealth, then increasing capability, but not in the way you would think
Any object in space is defenceless in a frontal attack, as demonstrated recently a missile aimed at a satellite will destroy it with little trouble. Armour would not work, active defences can be countermeasured easily.
Surveillance is a likely (and already used) aspect of space satellites to defend space assets. By constantly monitoring the ground, and other satellites, you would be able to build a picture of what is happening, and indeed what is likely to happen, and take pre-emptive action - perhaps even just using conventional ground forces. This is easily your first line of defence - prevention is always better than cure.
Numbers is next - if you saturate space with a network of spy satellites with high levels of redundancy it would make it more difficult to dismantle. You can even place inordinate amounts of low-grade 'dummy' satellites as diversionary ways to expend enemy resources without much effort.
Stealth - As in most scenarios, if you know something your opponent does not, it gives you an advantage. Stealth, or even the ability to have it, may give you a de-facto 'fleet in being', without requiring too much resources to maintain, and simply maintain peace because it is too risky due to unknown satellites. Nano-satellites, radar-absorbing material, data encoding in civilian satellites, are examples of this.
Capability - so not a large fleet of space warships, which could be destroyed easily as they become only large targets, but simply large amounts of research into space technology, such that other countries find it difficult to 'catch up', and the strict non-disclosure of these. Examples of this is new drives, power generation, data encryption and increasing data bandwidth. Eventually bases placed 'out of reach' on the moon or far afield in space are the next step, but they will be redundant once detected or your competitor catches up with capability. (Hence a Space Race).
All of these are not a 'Space Force' in a traditional sense but are the likely initial steps of your scenario.
However, having said that, it is easy to see that the reason it is better to be Cooperative, instead of Confrontational, being that space conflict is expensive, difficult, and the outcome is not certain.
Cooperation yields a synergy between international civilian / commercial imperatives and national ones such that peace can be achieved cheaper and more assured, which has been the preference recently.
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Strictly speaking, you only need two things for this, and they don't even need any 'new' technology:
- You need to know where everything (not just satellites, but debris too) is up there.
- You need to be able to have your satellites dodge incoming objects.
The second part is easy, most of the satellites that would be attractive targets already have some form of maneuvering thrusters for station keeping. The first part is actually the tricky one. The general public actually has access to information on where most of the active satellites are up there. The various space agencies have reasonably accurate maps of debris on top of that, and the government knows where their own classified stuff is. This means they just need to figure out where other people's classified satellites are, as those are the most obvious tool for attacking things up there.
Once you've got that information, you just watch for deviation from expected orbits, and dodge things coming your way. The mapping and tracking itself could be easily automated, and with a bit of work, the whole setup could be automated, which would reduce your long-term costs to whatever it takes to maintain the equipment (probably on the order of at most a few million a year, possibly as low as a few hundred thousand if we can avoid the typical governmental inefficiencies).
There are three limitations to this simplistic but inexpensive approach:
- Attacks will still cause some disruption. This is actually unavoidable unless you can deorbit the hostile objects, but allowing for that would exponentially increase the budget requirements.
- It doesn't get rid of the threat. Again, doing this safely would require forcibly deorbiting the hostile objects.
- It depends on the friendly satellites' maneuvering thrusters not being fuel-limited. IOW, they need to use something for station keeping that doesn't require refueling, otherwise this approach drastically reduces expected operational lifetimes for the satellites.
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Strictly speaking, you only need two things for this, and they don't even need any 'new' technology:
- You need to know where everything (not just satellites, but debris too) is up there.
- You need to be able to have your satellites dodge incoming objects.
The second part is easy, most of the satellites that would be attractive targets already have some form of maneuvering thrusters for station keeping. The first part is actually the tricky one. The general public actually has access to information on where most of the active satellites are up there. The various space agencies have reasonably accurate maps of debris on top of that, and the government knows where their own classified stuff is. This means they just need to figure out where other people's classified satellites are, as those are the most obvious tool for attacking things up there.
Once you've got that information, you just watch for deviation from expected orbits, and dodge things coming your way. The mapping and tracking itself could be easily automated, and with a bit of work, the whole setup could be automated, which would reduce your long-term costs to whatever it takes to maintain the equipment (probably on the order of at most a few million a year, possibly as low as a few hundred thousand if we can avoid the typical governmental inefficiencies).
There are three limitations to this simplistic but inexpensive approach:
- Attacks will still cause some disruption. This is actually unavoidable unless you can deorbit the hostile objects, but allowing for that would exponentially increase the budget requirements.
- It doesn't get rid of the threat. Again, doing this safely would require forcibly deorbiting the hostile objects.
- It depends on the friendly satellites' maneuvering thrusters not being fuel-limited. IOW, they need to use something for station keeping that doesn't require refueling, otherwise this approach drastically reduces expected operational lifetimes for the satellites.
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Strictly speaking, you only need two things for this, and they don't even need any 'new' technology:
- You need to know where everything (not just satellites, but debris too) is up there.
- You need to be able to have your satellites dodge incoming objects.
The second part is easy, most of the satellites that would be attractive targets already have some form of maneuvering thrusters for station keeping. The first part is actually the tricky one. The general public actually has access to information on where most of the active satellites are up there. The various space agencies have reasonably accurate maps of debris on top of that, and the government knows where their own classified stuff is. This means they just need to figure out where other people's classified satellites are, as those are the most obvious tool for attacking things up there.
Once you've got that information, you just watch for deviation from expected orbits, and dodge things coming your way. The mapping and tracking itself could be easily automated, and with a bit of work, the whole setup could be automated, which would reduce your long-term costs to whatever it takes to maintain the equipment (probably on the order of at most a few million a year, possibly as low as a few hundred thousand if we can avoid the typical governmental inefficiencies).
There are three limitations to this simplistic but inexpensive approach:
- Attacks will still cause some disruption. This is actually unavoidable unless you can deorbit the hostile objects, but allowing for that would exponentially increase the budget requirements.
- It doesn't get rid of the threat. Again, doing this safely would require forcibly deorbiting the hostile objects.
- It depends on the friendly satellites' maneuvering thrusters not being fuel-limited. IOW, they need to use something for station keeping that doesn't require refueling, otherwise this approach drastically reduces expected operational lifetimes for the satellites.
Strictly speaking, you only need two things for this, and they don't even need any 'new' technology:
- You need to know where everything (not just satellites, but debris too) is up there.
- You need to be able to have your satellites dodge incoming objects.
The second part is easy, most of the satellites that would be attractive targets already have some form of maneuvering thrusters for station keeping. The first part is actually the tricky one. The general public actually has access to information on where most of the active satellites are up there. The various space agencies have reasonably accurate maps of debris on top of that, and the government knows where their own classified stuff is. This means they just need to figure out where other people's classified satellites are, as those are the most obvious tool for attacking things up there.
Once you've got that information, you just watch for deviation from expected orbits, and dodge things coming your way. The mapping and tracking itself could be easily automated, and with a bit of work, the whole setup could be automated, which would reduce your long-term costs to whatever it takes to maintain the equipment (probably on the order of at most a few million a year, possibly as low as a few hundred thousand if we can avoid the typical governmental inefficiencies).
There are three limitations to this simplistic but inexpensive approach:
- Attacks will still cause some disruption. This is actually unavoidable unless you can deorbit the hostile objects, but allowing for that would exponentially increase the budget requirements.
- It doesn't get rid of the threat. Again, doing this safely would require forcibly deorbiting the hostile objects.
- It depends on the friendly satellites' maneuvering thrusters not being fuel-limited. IOW, they need to use something for station keeping that doesn't require refueling, otherwise this approach drastically reduces expected operational lifetimes for the satellites.
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You cannot protect your space assets.
Not against a determined, near-peer competitor. Putting a ball bearing or a small guided KE interceptor on a collision course will be cheaper than launching the intelligence or navigation sat, and you cannot afford to dodge all the time. The delta-V of your sats is too precious for that.
Sats will move on fairly predictable orbits, and they will likely overfly the territory of the competitor.
That being said, make them easily replacable.
You cannot win a war of attrition, but be prepared for some losses.
- Make your space assets small and networked. Instead of a few big, multi-purpose assets, launch many small ones.
- Be prepared to launch replacements on short notice if a few of your sats are damaged.
Deter attacks against your space assets.
Make it clear that they are not just another unmanned drone. They're valuable to you.
- Tell people that you will take an attack on your space assets at least as seriously as an attack on your homeland. Say so consistently, over a long time. React to small provocations to drive the doctrine home.
- Tie some of them into your nuclear command-and-control system. That makes it credible that you would see an attack on your space assets as a first strike against your strategic forces, and that you would respond with a nuclear strike.
- Make your space assets valuable to other global powers. Right now, an attack on the GPS net would have vast global consequences. Anyone who did it would anger third countries.
- Route your sat communications through contracted commercial sats which are used by the civilian economy.
- Place your military assets where the debris of an attack would interfere with civilian assets (a "civilian shield" strategy might not be illegal if the shielding assets are unmanned).
Hide a few space assets.
That malfunctioned commercial sat, that payload shroud from a space launch, are they really orbital junk or are they passive listeners (or in-orbit spares)?
Except for that sattelite replacement which is still ludicrously expensive and time consuming since you wont have them just lying around this is a great answer.
– Demigan
1 hour ago
@Demigan, if you really need space power for your style of warfare and economy, then you should have spare sats and launch systems on standby. Perhaps not 24/7 launch readiness, but enough to reconstitute a space capability if the enemy destroyed your sats and you then defeated him anyway. The ability to do that prevents a competitor with just a few ASAT missiles from holding your GPS or early warning hostage.
– o.m.
28 mins ago
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You cannot protect your space assets.
Not against a determined, near-peer competitor. Putting a ball bearing or a small guided KE interceptor on a collision course will be cheaper than launching the intelligence or navigation sat, and you cannot afford to dodge all the time. The delta-V of your sats is too precious for that.
Sats will move on fairly predictable orbits, and they will likely overfly the territory of the competitor.
That being said, make them easily replacable.
You cannot win a war of attrition, but be prepared for some losses.
- Make your space assets small and networked. Instead of a few big, multi-purpose assets, launch many small ones.
- Be prepared to launch replacements on short notice if a few of your sats are damaged.
Deter attacks against your space assets.
Make it clear that they are not just another unmanned drone. They're valuable to you.
- Tell people that you will take an attack on your space assets at least as seriously as an attack on your homeland. Say so consistently, over a long time. React to small provocations to drive the doctrine home.
- Tie some of them into your nuclear command-and-control system. That makes it credible that you would see an attack on your space assets as a first strike against your strategic forces, and that you would respond with a nuclear strike.
- Make your space assets valuable to other global powers. Right now, an attack on the GPS net would have vast global consequences. Anyone who did it would anger third countries.
- Route your sat communications through contracted commercial sats which are used by the civilian economy.
- Place your military assets where the debris of an attack would interfere with civilian assets (a "civilian shield" strategy might not be illegal if the shielding assets are unmanned).
Hide a few space assets.
That malfunctioned commercial sat, that payload shroud from a space launch, are they really orbital junk or are they passive listeners (or in-orbit spares)?
Except for that sattelite replacement which is still ludicrously expensive and time consuming since you wont have them just lying around this is a great answer.
– Demigan
1 hour ago
@Demigan, if you really need space power for your style of warfare and economy, then you should have spare sats and launch systems on standby. Perhaps not 24/7 launch readiness, but enough to reconstitute a space capability if the enemy destroyed your sats and you then defeated him anyway. The ability to do that prevents a competitor with just a few ASAT missiles from holding your GPS or early warning hostage.
– o.m.
28 mins ago
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You cannot protect your space assets.
Not against a determined, near-peer competitor. Putting a ball bearing or a small guided KE interceptor on a collision course will be cheaper than launching the intelligence or navigation sat, and you cannot afford to dodge all the time. The delta-V of your sats is too precious for that.
Sats will move on fairly predictable orbits, and they will likely overfly the territory of the competitor.
That being said, make them easily replacable.
You cannot win a war of attrition, but be prepared for some losses.
- Make your space assets small and networked. Instead of a few big, multi-purpose assets, launch many small ones.
- Be prepared to launch replacements on short notice if a few of your sats are damaged.
Deter attacks against your space assets.
Make it clear that they are not just another unmanned drone. They're valuable to you.
- Tell people that you will take an attack on your space assets at least as seriously as an attack on your homeland. Say so consistently, over a long time. React to small provocations to drive the doctrine home.
- Tie some of them into your nuclear command-and-control system. That makes it credible that you would see an attack on your space assets as a first strike against your strategic forces, and that you would respond with a nuclear strike.
- Make your space assets valuable to other global powers. Right now, an attack on the GPS net would have vast global consequences. Anyone who did it would anger third countries.
- Route your sat communications through contracted commercial sats which are used by the civilian economy.
- Place your military assets where the debris of an attack would interfere with civilian assets (a "civilian shield" strategy might not be illegal if the shielding assets are unmanned).
Hide a few space assets.
That malfunctioned commercial sat, that payload shroud from a space launch, are they really orbital junk or are they passive listeners (or in-orbit spares)?
You cannot protect your space assets.
Not against a determined, near-peer competitor. Putting a ball bearing or a small guided KE interceptor on a collision course will be cheaper than launching the intelligence or navigation sat, and you cannot afford to dodge all the time. The delta-V of your sats is too precious for that.
Sats will move on fairly predictable orbits, and they will likely overfly the territory of the competitor.
That being said, make them easily replacable.
You cannot win a war of attrition, but be prepared for some losses.
- Make your space assets small and networked. Instead of a few big, multi-purpose assets, launch many small ones.
- Be prepared to launch replacements on short notice if a few of your sats are damaged.
Deter attacks against your space assets.
Make it clear that they are not just another unmanned drone. They're valuable to you.
- Tell people that you will take an attack on your space assets at least as seriously as an attack on your homeland. Say so consistently, over a long time. React to small provocations to drive the doctrine home.
- Tie some of them into your nuclear command-and-control system. That makes it credible that you would see an attack on your space assets as a first strike against your strategic forces, and that you would respond with a nuclear strike.
- Make your space assets valuable to other global powers. Right now, an attack on the GPS net would have vast global consequences. Anyone who did it would anger third countries.
- Route your sat communications through contracted commercial sats which are used by the civilian economy.
- Place your military assets where the debris of an attack would interfere with civilian assets (a "civilian shield" strategy might not be illegal if the shielding assets are unmanned).
Hide a few space assets.
That malfunctioned commercial sat, that payload shroud from a space launch, are they really orbital junk or are they passive listeners (or in-orbit spares)?
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Except for that sattelite replacement which is still ludicrously expensive and time consuming since you wont have them just lying around this is a great answer.
– Demigan
1 hour ago
@Demigan, if you really need space power for your style of warfare and economy, then you should have spare sats and launch systems on standby. Perhaps not 24/7 launch readiness, but enough to reconstitute a space capability if the enemy destroyed your sats and you then defeated him anyway. The ability to do that prevents a competitor with just a few ASAT missiles from holding your GPS or early warning hostage.
– o.m.
28 mins ago
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Except for that sattelite replacement which is still ludicrously expensive and time consuming since you wont have them just lying around this is a great answer.
– Demigan
1 hour ago
@Demigan, if you really need space power for your style of warfare and economy, then you should have spare sats and launch systems on standby. Perhaps not 24/7 launch readiness, but enough to reconstitute a space capability if the enemy destroyed your sats and you then defeated him anyway. The ability to do that prevents a competitor with just a few ASAT missiles from holding your GPS or early warning hostage.
– o.m.
28 mins ago
Except for that sattelite replacement which is still ludicrously expensive and time consuming since you wont have them just lying around this is a great answer.
– Demigan
1 hour ago
Except for that sattelite replacement which is still ludicrously expensive and time consuming since you wont have them just lying around this is a great answer.
– Demigan
1 hour ago
@Demigan, if you really need space power for your style of warfare and economy, then you should have spare sats and launch systems on standby. Perhaps not 24/7 launch readiness, but enough to reconstitute a space capability if the enemy destroyed your sats and you then defeated him anyway. The ability to do that prevents a competitor with just a few ASAT missiles from holding your GPS or early warning hostage.
– o.m.
28 mins ago
@Demigan, if you really need space power for your style of warfare and economy, then you should have spare sats and launch systems on standby. Perhaps not 24/7 launch readiness, but enough to reconstitute a space capability if the enemy destroyed your sats and you then defeated him anyway. The ability to do that prevents a competitor with just a few ASAT missiles from holding your GPS or early warning hostage.
– o.m.
28 mins ago
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The only real defense is offense: destroy every single hostile sattelite and every single planet based anti-sattelite capable base. Unfortunately destroying enemy sattelites is almost as dangerous as letting your enemy use them. The debris will be dangerous to any sattelite and destruction of most sattelites will cause so much problems that even replacement sattelites will be at risk. Its like a nuclear war but your explosions are just as likely to destroy your lands with the secondary effects as they are of your enemy. Best bet is not to play it at all.
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