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Suppose that $X, (Omega,mathcal{F}),{P^x}_{x in mathbb{R}^d}$ is a Markov family with shift operators ${theta_s}_{s ge 0}$ and for every $x in mathbb{R}^d,s ge 0, G in mathcal{F}_s$ and $F in mathcal{F}^X_infty$ we have
begin{equation}label{c''}
P^x[G cap theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s]=P^x[G mid X_s]P^x[theta_s^{-1}F mid X_s]
end{equation}

Then show that the above implies
$P^x[theta_s^{-1} F mid mathcal{F}_s]=P^x[theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s] text{ , } P^x text{-a.s.}$
This is part of exercise 2.5.17 in Karatzas and Shreve's Brownian motion and stochastic Calculus.
I could manage to show the converse, i.e $P^x[theta_s^{-1} F mid mathcal{F}_s]=P^x[theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s] text{ , } P^x text{-a.s.}$ implies $$P^x[G cap theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s]=P^x[G mid X_s]P^x[theta_s^{-1}F mid X_s]$$ as follows:



Using properties of conditional expectation we get
begin{equation*}
begin{split}
P^x[G cap theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s]=E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ {G cap theta_s^{-1} F }} mid X_s]=E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ G} mathrm{1}_{ theta_s^{-1} F } mid X_s]\=E^x[ E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ G} mathrm{1}_{ theta_s^{-1} F } mid mathcal{F}_s] mid X_s]=E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ G} E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ theta_s^{-1} F } mid mathcal{F}_s] mid X_s]\= E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ G} E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ theta_s^{-1} F } mid X_s] mid X_s]= E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ theta_s^{-1} F } mid X_s] E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ G} mid X_s]\=P^x[G mid X_s]P^x[theta_s^{-1}F mid X_s]
end{split}
end{equation*}



I tried to prove the other direction similarly but it seems that the same technique doesnt workk. Can you give me a hint on how could I go about proving it? I do not want a complete answer as it would defeat the purpose of the exercise.










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    Suppose that $X, (Omega,mathcal{F}),{P^x}_{x in mathbb{R}^d}$ is a Markov family with shift operators ${theta_s}_{s ge 0}$ and for every $x in mathbb{R}^d,s ge 0, G in mathcal{F}_s$ and $F in mathcal{F}^X_infty$ we have
    begin{equation}label{c''}
    P^x[G cap theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s]=P^x[G mid X_s]P^x[theta_s^{-1}F mid X_s]
    end{equation}

    Then show that the above implies
    $P^x[theta_s^{-1} F mid mathcal{F}_s]=P^x[theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s] text{ , } P^x text{-a.s.}$
    This is part of exercise 2.5.17 in Karatzas and Shreve's Brownian motion and stochastic Calculus.
    I could manage to show the converse, i.e $P^x[theta_s^{-1} F mid mathcal{F}_s]=P^x[theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s] text{ , } P^x text{-a.s.}$ implies $$P^x[G cap theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s]=P^x[G mid X_s]P^x[theta_s^{-1}F mid X_s]$$ as follows:



    Using properties of conditional expectation we get
    begin{equation*}
    begin{split}
    P^x[G cap theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s]=E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ {G cap theta_s^{-1} F }} mid X_s]=E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ G} mathrm{1}_{ theta_s^{-1} F } mid X_s]\=E^x[ E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ G} mathrm{1}_{ theta_s^{-1} F } mid mathcal{F}_s] mid X_s]=E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ G} E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ theta_s^{-1} F } mid mathcal{F}_s] mid X_s]\= E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ G} E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ theta_s^{-1} F } mid X_s] mid X_s]= E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ theta_s^{-1} F } mid X_s] E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ G} mid X_s]\=P^x[G mid X_s]P^x[theta_s^{-1}F mid X_s]
    end{split}
    end{equation*}



    I tried to prove the other direction similarly but it seems that the same technique doesnt workk. Can you give me a hint on how could I go about proving it? I do not want a complete answer as it would defeat the purpose of the exercise.










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      Suppose that $X, (Omega,mathcal{F}),{P^x}_{x in mathbb{R}^d}$ is a Markov family with shift operators ${theta_s}_{s ge 0}$ and for every $x in mathbb{R}^d,s ge 0, G in mathcal{F}_s$ and $F in mathcal{F}^X_infty$ we have
      begin{equation}label{c''}
      P^x[G cap theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s]=P^x[G mid X_s]P^x[theta_s^{-1}F mid X_s]
      end{equation}

      Then show that the above implies
      $P^x[theta_s^{-1} F mid mathcal{F}_s]=P^x[theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s] text{ , } P^x text{-a.s.}$
      This is part of exercise 2.5.17 in Karatzas and Shreve's Brownian motion and stochastic Calculus.
      I could manage to show the converse, i.e $P^x[theta_s^{-1} F mid mathcal{F}_s]=P^x[theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s] text{ , } P^x text{-a.s.}$ implies $$P^x[G cap theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s]=P^x[G mid X_s]P^x[theta_s^{-1}F mid X_s]$$ as follows:



      Using properties of conditional expectation we get
      begin{equation*}
      begin{split}
      P^x[G cap theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s]=E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ {G cap theta_s^{-1} F }} mid X_s]=E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ G} mathrm{1}_{ theta_s^{-1} F } mid X_s]\=E^x[ E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ G} mathrm{1}_{ theta_s^{-1} F } mid mathcal{F}_s] mid X_s]=E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ G} E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ theta_s^{-1} F } mid mathcal{F}_s] mid X_s]\= E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ G} E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ theta_s^{-1} F } mid X_s] mid X_s]= E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ theta_s^{-1} F } mid X_s] E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ G} mid X_s]\=P^x[G mid X_s]P^x[theta_s^{-1}F mid X_s]
      end{split}
      end{equation*}



      I tried to prove the other direction similarly but it seems that the same technique doesnt workk. Can you give me a hint on how could I go about proving it? I do not want a complete answer as it would defeat the purpose of the exercise.










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      Suppose that $X, (Omega,mathcal{F}),{P^x}_{x in mathbb{R}^d}$ is a Markov family with shift operators ${theta_s}_{s ge 0}$ and for every $x in mathbb{R}^d,s ge 0, G in mathcal{F}_s$ and $F in mathcal{F}^X_infty$ we have
      begin{equation}label{c''}
      P^x[G cap theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s]=P^x[G mid X_s]P^x[theta_s^{-1}F mid X_s]
      end{equation}

      Then show that the above implies
      $P^x[theta_s^{-1} F mid mathcal{F}_s]=P^x[theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s] text{ , } P^x text{-a.s.}$
      This is part of exercise 2.5.17 in Karatzas and Shreve's Brownian motion and stochastic Calculus.
      I could manage to show the converse, i.e $P^x[theta_s^{-1} F mid mathcal{F}_s]=P^x[theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s] text{ , } P^x text{-a.s.}$ implies $$P^x[G cap theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s]=P^x[G mid X_s]P^x[theta_s^{-1}F mid X_s]$$ as follows:



      Using properties of conditional expectation we get
      begin{equation*}
      begin{split}
      P^x[G cap theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s]=E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ {G cap theta_s^{-1} F }} mid X_s]=E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ G} mathrm{1}_{ theta_s^{-1} F } mid X_s]\=E^x[ E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ G} mathrm{1}_{ theta_s^{-1} F } mid mathcal{F}_s] mid X_s]=E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ G} E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ theta_s^{-1} F } mid mathcal{F}_s] mid X_s]\= E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ G} E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ theta_s^{-1} F } mid X_s] mid X_s]= E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ theta_s^{-1} F } mid X_s] E^x[ mathrm{1}_{ G} mid X_s]\=P^x[G mid X_s]P^x[theta_s^{-1}F mid X_s]
      end{split}
      end{equation*}



      I tried to prove the other direction similarly but it seems that the same technique doesnt workk. Can you give me a hint on how could I go about proving it? I do not want a complete answer as it would defeat the purpose of the exercise.







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          Recall the following characterization of the conditional expectation:




          Let $X in L^1(mathbb{P})$ and let $mathcal{F}$ be a $sigma$-algebra. An $mathcal{F}$-measurable random variable $Y in L^1(mathbb{P})$ equals almost surely $mathbb{E}(X mid mathcal{F})$ if, and only if, $$forall G in mathcal{F}: quad int_G Y , dmathbb{P} = int_G X , dmathbb{P}.$$




          If we apply this result with $mathcal{F} := mathcal{F}_s$, $mathbb{P}=P^x$, $$X := 1_{theta_s^{-1}F} qquad Y := P^x(theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s)$$ we find that $P^x(theta_s^{-1} F mid mathcal{F}_s) = P^x(theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s)$ iff $$forall Gin mathcal{F}_s: quad int_G P^x(theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s) , dP^x = int_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} , dP^x.$$
          Use the Markov property to verify this condition. Hint: Start with the right-hand side,



          $$int_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} , dP^x= E^x left(1_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F}right) = E^x left( E^x big(1_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s big) right) = dots$$



          Solution:




          begin{align*}int_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} , dP^x= E^x left(1_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F}right) &stackrel{text{tower}}{=} E^x left( E^x big(1_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s big) right) \ &stackrel{text{Markov}}{=} E^x left( E^x big(1_G mid X_s big) E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s) right) \ &stackrel{text{pull out}}{=} E^x left( E^x big(1_G E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s) mid X_s big) right) \ &stackrel{text{tower}}{=} E^x left( 1_G E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s) right) \ &= int_G E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s) , dP^x end{align*}







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          • $dots=E^x (E^x(1_G mid X_s)E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1}F} mid X_s))=E^x(1_G E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1}F} mid X_s))$ which is what had to be shown to complete the proof. As always thanks a lot
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          Recall the following characterization of the conditional expectation:




          Let $X in L^1(mathbb{P})$ and let $mathcal{F}$ be a $sigma$-algebra. An $mathcal{F}$-measurable random variable $Y in L^1(mathbb{P})$ equals almost surely $mathbb{E}(X mid mathcal{F})$ if, and only if, $$forall G in mathcal{F}: quad int_G Y , dmathbb{P} = int_G X , dmathbb{P}.$$




          If we apply this result with $mathcal{F} := mathcal{F}_s$, $mathbb{P}=P^x$, $$X := 1_{theta_s^{-1}F} qquad Y := P^x(theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s)$$ we find that $P^x(theta_s^{-1} F mid mathcal{F}_s) = P^x(theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s)$ iff $$forall Gin mathcal{F}_s: quad int_G P^x(theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s) , dP^x = int_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} , dP^x.$$
          Use the Markov property to verify this condition. Hint: Start with the right-hand side,



          $$int_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} , dP^x= E^x left(1_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F}right) = E^x left( E^x big(1_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s big) right) = dots$$



          Solution:




          begin{align*}int_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} , dP^x= E^x left(1_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F}right) &stackrel{text{tower}}{=} E^x left( E^x big(1_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s big) right) \ &stackrel{text{Markov}}{=} E^x left( E^x big(1_G mid X_s big) E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s) right) \ &stackrel{text{pull out}}{=} E^x left( E^x big(1_G E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s) mid X_s big) right) \ &stackrel{text{tower}}{=} E^x left( 1_G E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s) right) \ &= int_G E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s) , dP^x end{align*}







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          • $dots=E^x (E^x(1_G mid X_s)E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1}F} mid X_s))=E^x(1_G E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1}F} mid X_s))$ which is what had to be shown to complete the proof. As always thanks a lot
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          • @user3503589 You are welcome
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          Recall the following characterization of the conditional expectation:




          Let $X in L^1(mathbb{P})$ and let $mathcal{F}$ be a $sigma$-algebra. An $mathcal{F}$-measurable random variable $Y in L^1(mathbb{P})$ equals almost surely $mathbb{E}(X mid mathcal{F})$ if, and only if, $$forall G in mathcal{F}: quad int_G Y , dmathbb{P} = int_G X , dmathbb{P}.$$




          If we apply this result with $mathcal{F} := mathcal{F}_s$, $mathbb{P}=P^x$, $$X := 1_{theta_s^{-1}F} qquad Y := P^x(theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s)$$ we find that $P^x(theta_s^{-1} F mid mathcal{F}_s) = P^x(theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s)$ iff $$forall Gin mathcal{F}_s: quad int_G P^x(theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s) , dP^x = int_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} , dP^x.$$
          Use the Markov property to verify this condition. Hint: Start with the right-hand side,



          $$int_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} , dP^x= E^x left(1_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F}right) = E^x left( E^x big(1_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s big) right) = dots$$



          Solution:




          begin{align*}int_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} , dP^x= E^x left(1_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F}right) &stackrel{text{tower}}{=} E^x left( E^x big(1_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s big) right) \ &stackrel{text{Markov}}{=} E^x left( E^x big(1_G mid X_s big) E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s) right) \ &stackrel{text{pull out}}{=} E^x left( E^x big(1_G E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s) mid X_s big) right) \ &stackrel{text{tower}}{=} E^x left( 1_G E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s) right) \ &= int_G E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s) , dP^x end{align*}







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          • $dots=E^x (E^x(1_G mid X_s)E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1}F} mid X_s))=E^x(1_G E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1}F} mid X_s))$ which is what had to be shown to complete the proof. As always thanks a lot
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          • @user3503589 You are welcome
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          Recall the following characterization of the conditional expectation:




          Let $X in L^1(mathbb{P})$ and let $mathcal{F}$ be a $sigma$-algebra. An $mathcal{F}$-measurable random variable $Y in L^1(mathbb{P})$ equals almost surely $mathbb{E}(X mid mathcal{F})$ if, and only if, $$forall G in mathcal{F}: quad int_G Y , dmathbb{P} = int_G X , dmathbb{P}.$$




          If we apply this result with $mathcal{F} := mathcal{F}_s$, $mathbb{P}=P^x$, $$X := 1_{theta_s^{-1}F} qquad Y := P^x(theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s)$$ we find that $P^x(theta_s^{-1} F mid mathcal{F}_s) = P^x(theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s)$ iff $$forall Gin mathcal{F}_s: quad int_G P^x(theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s) , dP^x = int_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} , dP^x.$$
          Use the Markov property to verify this condition. Hint: Start with the right-hand side,



          $$int_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} , dP^x= E^x left(1_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F}right) = E^x left( E^x big(1_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s big) right) = dots$$



          Solution:




          begin{align*}int_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} , dP^x= E^x left(1_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F}right) &stackrel{text{tower}}{=} E^x left( E^x big(1_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s big) right) \ &stackrel{text{Markov}}{=} E^x left( E^x big(1_G mid X_s big) E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s) right) \ &stackrel{text{pull out}}{=} E^x left( E^x big(1_G E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s) mid X_s big) right) \ &stackrel{text{tower}}{=} E^x left( 1_G E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s) right) \ &= int_G E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s) , dP^x end{align*}







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          Recall the following characterization of the conditional expectation:




          Let $X in L^1(mathbb{P})$ and let $mathcal{F}$ be a $sigma$-algebra. An $mathcal{F}$-measurable random variable $Y in L^1(mathbb{P})$ equals almost surely $mathbb{E}(X mid mathcal{F})$ if, and only if, $$forall G in mathcal{F}: quad int_G Y , dmathbb{P} = int_G X , dmathbb{P}.$$




          If we apply this result with $mathcal{F} := mathcal{F}_s$, $mathbb{P}=P^x$, $$X := 1_{theta_s^{-1}F} qquad Y := P^x(theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s)$$ we find that $P^x(theta_s^{-1} F mid mathcal{F}_s) = P^x(theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s)$ iff $$forall Gin mathcal{F}_s: quad int_G P^x(theta_s^{-1} F mid X_s) , dP^x = int_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} , dP^x.$$
          Use the Markov property to verify this condition. Hint: Start with the right-hand side,



          $$int_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} , dP^x= E^x left(1_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F}right) = E^x left( E^x big(1_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s big) right) = dots$$



          Solution:




          begin{align*}int_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} , dP^x= E^x left(1_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F}right) &stackrel{text{tower}}{=} E^x left( E^x big(1_G 1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s big) right) \ &stackrel{text{Markov}}{=} E^x left( E^x big(1_G mid X_s big) E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s) right) \ &stackrel{text{pull out}}{=} E^x left( E^x big(1_G E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s) mid X_s big) right) \ &stackrel{text{tower}}{=} E^x left( 1_G E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s) right) \ &= int_G E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1} F} mid X_s) , dP^x end{align*}








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          • $dots=E^x (E^x(1_G mid X_s)E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1}F} mid X_s))=E^x(1_G E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1}F} mid X_s))$ which is what had to be shown to complete the proof. As always thanks a lot
            – user3503589
            Nov 26 at 18:33










          • @user3503589 You are welcome
            – saz
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          • $dots=E^x (E^x(1_G mid X_s)E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1}F} mid X_s))=E^x(1_G E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1}F} mid X_s))$ which is what had to be shown to complete the proof. As always thanks a lot
            – user3503589
            Nov 26 at 18:33










          • @user3503589 You are welcome
            – saz
            Nov 26 at 18:34
















          $dots=E^x (E^x(1_G mid X_s)E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1}F} mid X_s))=E^x(1_G E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1}F} mid X_s))$ which is what had to be shown to complete the proof. As always thanks a lot
          – user3503589
          Nov 26 at 18:33




          $dots=E^x (E^x(1_G mid X_s)E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1}F} mid X_s))=E^x(1_G E^x(1_{theta_s^{-1}F} mid X_s))$ which is what had to be shown to complete the proof. As always thanks a lot
          – user3503589
          Nov 26 at 18:33












          @user3503589 You are welcome
          – saz
          Nov 26 at 18:34




          @user3503589 You are welcome
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