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I'm currently reading Jeffrey M. Lee Manifolds and Differential Geometry book. I don't understand a part in the proof of Proposition 1.32. (iii).



Proposition 1.32. says:




Let $M$ be a set with a $C^r$ structure given by an atlas
$mathcal{A}$. We have the following:



(i) If for every two distinct points $p, q ∈ M$, we have that either
$p$ and $q$ are respectively in disjoint chart domains $U_alpha$ and
$U_beta$ from the atlas, or they are both in a common chart domain,
then the topology induced by the atlas is Hausdorff.



(ii) If $A$ is countable, or has a countable subatlas, then the
topology induced by the atlas is second countable.



(iii) If the collection of chart domains ${U_alpha}_{alphain A}$
from the atlas $A$ is such that for every fixed $alpha_0in A$ the
set ${alpha in A:U_alphacap U_{alpha_0}neq emptyset}$ is at
most countable, then the topology induced by the atlas is paracompact.
Thus, if this condition holds and if M is connected, then the topology
induced by the atlas is second countable.




Lee starts the proof leaving (i) and (ii) as exercises and then he says:




We prove (iii). Give $M$ the topology induced by the atlas. It is
enough to prove that each connected component has a countable basis
.




The bold sentence is what I don't understand. He is probably using this theorem from the appendix:




Proposition B.5. If $X$ is a locally Euclidean Hausdorff space, then
the are following properties equivalent:



(1) X is paracompact.



(2) X is metrizable.



(3) Each connected component of X is second countable.



(4) Each connected component of X is σ-compact.



(5) Each connected component of X is separable.




The problem is that to use B.5 one has to know beforehand that $M$ is hausdorff, which requires verifying (i), but this is not done. So how does one justify the bold sentence?



I know I'm kinda nitpicking here because in practice 99% of the atlases will verify (i) to unsure hausdorffness (otherwise it would be really weird), but I still want to know this precisely.










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    He left i as an exercise: do the exercise before doing iii.
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    – Mariano Suárez-Álvarez
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    @MarianoSuárez-Alvarez I did it: If $p,q$ are in disjoint chart domains we are done, otherwise they are in the same chart domain $x$ and we take the preimage of disjoint nbds of their images $x(p),x(q)$.
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    What are you asking, then? :-|
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    How does the bold sentence (without knowing (i)) proves that $M$ is paracompact.
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    @MarianoSuárez-Alvarez: But the hypotheses of (i) are not assumed in (iii).
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I'm currently reading Jeffrey M. Lee Manifolds and Differential Geometry book. I don't understand a part in the proof of Proposition 1.32. (iii).



Proposition 1.32. says:




Let $M$ be a set with a $C^r$ structure given by an atlas
$mathcal{A}$. We have the following:



(i) If for every two distinct points $p, q ∈ M$, we have that either
$p$ and $q$ are respectively in disjoint chart domains $U_alpha$ and
$U_beta$ from the atlas, or they are both in a common chart domain,
then the topology induced by the atlas is Hausdorff.



(ii) If $A$ is countable, or has a countable subatlas, then the
topology induced by the atlas is second countable.



(iii) If the collection of chart domains ${U_alpha}_{alphain A}$
from the atlas $A$ is such that for every fixed $alpha_0in A$ the
set ${alpha in A:U_alphacap U_{alpha_0}neq emptyset}$ is at
most countable, then the topology induced by the atlas is paracompact.
Thus, if this condition holds and if M is connected, then the topology
induced by the atlas is second countable.




Lee starts the proof leaving (i) and (ii) as exercises and then he says:




We prove (iii). Give $M$ the topology induced by the atlas. It is
enough to prove that each connected component has a countable basis
.




The bold sentence is what I don't understand. He is probably using this theorem from the appendix:




Proposition B.5. If $X$ is a locally Euclidean Hausdorff space, then
the are following properties equivalent:



(1) X is paracompact.



(2) X is metrizable.



(3) Each connected component of X is second countable.



(4) Each connected component of X is σ-compact.



(5) Each connected component of X is separable.




The problem is that to use B.5 one has to know beforehand that $M$ is hausdorff, which requires verifying (i), but this is not done. So how does one justify the bold sentence?



I know I'm kinda nitpicking here because in practice 99% of the atlases will verify (i) to unsure hausdorffness (otherwise it would be really weird), but I still want to know this precisely.










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    He left i as an exercise: do the exercise before doing iii.
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    – Mariano Suárez-Álvarez
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    @MarianoSuárez-Alvarez I did it: If $p,q$ are in disjoint chart domains we are done, otherwise they are in the same chart domain $x$ and we take the preimage of disjoint nbds of their images $x(p),x(q)$.
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    – Zero
    Jul 16 '16 at 21:56










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    What are you asking, then? :-|
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    – Mariano Suárez-Álvarez
    Jul 16 '16 at 22:18










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    How does the bold sentence (without knowing (i)) proves that $M$ is paracompact.
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    – Zero
    Jul 16 '16 at 22:22






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    @MarianoSuárez-Alvarez: But the hypotheses of (i) are not assumed in (iii).
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    – Eric Wofsey
    Jul 16 '16 at 22:48














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I'm currently reading Jeffrey M. Lee Manifolds and Differential Geometry book. I don't understand a part in the proof of Proposition 1.32. (iii).



Proposition 1.32. says:




Let $M$ be a set with a $C^r$ structure given by an atlas
$mathcal{A}$. We have the following:



(i) If for every two distinct points $p, q ∈ M$, we have that either
$p$ and $q$ are respectively in disjoint chart domains $U_alpha$ and
$U_beta$ from the atlas, or they are both in a common chart domain,
then the topology induced by the atlas is Hausdorff.



(ii) If $A$ is countable, or has a countable subatlas, then the
topology induced by the atlas is second countable.



(iii) If the collection of chart domains ${U_alpha}_{alphain A}$
from the atlas $A$ is such that for every fixed $alpha_0in A$ the
set ${alpha in A:U_alphacap U_{alpha_0}neq emptyset}$ is at
most countable, then the topology induced by the atlas is paracompact.
Thus, if this condition holds and if M is connected, then the topology
induced by the atlas is second countable.




Lee starts the proof leaving (i) and (ii) as exercises and then he says:




We prove (iii). Give $M$ the topology induced by the atlas. It is
enough to prove that each connected component has a countable basis
.




The bold sentence is what I don't understand. He is probably using this theorem from the appendix:




Proposition B.5. If $X$ is a locally Euclidean Hausdorff space, then
the are following properties equivalent:



(1) X is paracompact.



(2) X is metrizable.



(3) Each connected component of X is second countable.



(4) Each connected component of X is σ-compact.



(5) Each connected component of X is separable.




The problem is that to use B.5 one has to know beforehand that $M$ is hausdorff, which requires verifying (i), but this is not done. So how does one justify the bold sentence?



I know I'm kinda nitpicking here because in practice 99% of the atlases will verify (i) to unsure hausdorffness (otherwise it would be really weird), but I still want to know this precisely.










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I'm currently reading Jeffrey M. Lee Manifolds and Differential Geometry book. I don't understand a part in the proof of Proposition 1.32. (iii).



Proposition 1.32. says:




Let $M$ be a set with a $C^r$ structure given by an atlas
$mathcal{A}$. We have the following:



(i) If for every two distinct points $p, q ∈ M$, we have that either
$p$ and $q$ are respectively in disjoint chart domains $U_alpha$ and
$U_beta$ from the atlas, or they are both in a common chart domain,
then the topology induced by the atlas is Hausdorff.



(ii) If $A$ is countable, or has a countable subatlas, then the
topology induced by the atlas is second countable.



(iii) If the collection of chart domains ${U_alpha}_{alphain A}$
from the atlas $A$ is such that for every fixed $alpha_0in A$ the
set ${alpha in A:U_alphacap U_{alpha_0}neq emptyset}$ is at
most countable, then the topology induced by the atlas is paracompact.
Thus, if this condition holds and if M is connected, then the topology
induced by the atlas is second countable.




Lee starts the proof leaving (i) and (ii) as exercises and then he says:




We prove (iii). Give $M$ the topology induced by the atlas. It is
enough to prove that each connected component has a countable basis
.




The bold sentence is what I don't understand. He is probably using this theorem from the appendix:




Proposition B.5. If $X$ is a locally Euclidean Hausdorff space, then
the are following properties equivalent:



(1) X is paracompact.



(2) X is metrizable.



(3) Each connected component of X is second countable.



(4) Each connected component of X is σ-compact.



(5) Each connected component of X is separable.




The problem is that to use B.5 one has to know beforehand that $M$ is hausdorff, which requires verifying (i), but this is not done. So how does one justify the bold sentence?



I know I'm kinda nitpicking here because in practice 99% of the atlases will verify (i) to unsure hausdorffness (otherwise it would be really weird), but I still want to know this precisely.







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    He left i as an exercise: do the exercise before doing iii.
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    – Mariano Suárez-Álvarez
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    @MarianoSuárez-Alvarez I did it: If $p,q$ are in disjoint chart domains we are done, otherwise they are in the same chart domain $x$ and we take the preimage of disjoint nbds of their images $x(p),x(q)$.
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    What are you asking, then? :-|
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    – Mariano Suárez-Álvarez
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    How does the bold sentence (without knowing (i)) proves that $M$ is paracompact.
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    – Zero
    Jul 16 '16 at 22:22






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    @MarianoSuárez-Alvarez: But the hypotheses of (i) are not assumed in (iii).
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    Jul 16 '16 at 22:48


















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    He left i as an exercise: do the exercise before doing iii.
    $endgroup$
    – Mariano Suárez-Álvarez
    Jul 16 '16 at 21:52












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    @MarianoSuárez-Alvarez I did it: If $p,q$ are in disjoint chart domains we are done, otherwise they are in the same chart domain $x$ and we take the preimage of disjoint nbds of their images $x(p),x(q)$.
    $endgroup$
    – Zero
    Jul 16 '16 at 21:56










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    What are you asking, then? :-|
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    – Mariano Suárez-Álvarez
    Jul 16 '16 at 22:18










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    How does the bold sentence (without knowing (i)) proves that $M$ is paracompact.
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    – Zero
    Jul 16 '16 at 22:22






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    @MarianoSuárez-Alvarez: But the hypotheses of (i) are not assumed in (iii).
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He left i as an exercise: do the exercise before doing iii.
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He left i as an exercise: do the exercise before doing iii.
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– Mariano Suárez-Álvarez
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@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez I did it: If $p,q$ are in disjoint chart domains we are done, otherwise they are in the same chart domain $x$ and we take the preimage of disjoint nbds of their images $x(p),x(q)$.
$endgroup$
– Zero
Jul 16 '16 at 21:56




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@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez I did it: If $p,q$ are in disjoint chart domains we are done, otherwise they are in the same chart domain $x$ and we take the preimage of disjoint nbds of their images $x(p),x(q)$.
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What are you asking, then? :-|
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– Mariano Suárez-Álvarez
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What are you asking, then? :-|
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How does the bold sentence (without knowing (i)) proves that $M$ is paracompact.
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How does the bold sentence (without knowing (i)) proves that $M$ is paracompact.
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@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez: But the hypotheses of (i) are not assumed in (iii).
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Part (iii) is in fact false as stated; you have to additionally assume $M$ is Hausdorff (or that the condition of part (i) holds). Here is a counterexample. Let $M=(-infty,0)cup(mathbb{N}times [0,infty))$. For each $ninmathbb{N}$, define $f_n:mathbb{R}to M$ by $f_n(t)=t$ if $t<0$ and $f_n(t)=(n,t)$ if $ngeq 0$. These maps $f_n$ can be taken as an atlas on $M$, which trivially satisfies (iii) since there are only countably many of them. However, I claim that the induced topology on $M$ is not paracompact.



Indeed, let $U_n=f_n(mathbb{R})$; the $U_n$ form an open cover of $M$. Let $mathcal{U}$ be any refinement of this open cover. Note that for each $n$, $mathcal{U}$ contains a neighborhood of $(n,0)$, and these neighborhoods are different for different values of $n$ since they must be contained in $U_n$. But any neighborhood of $(n,0)$ contains the entire interval $(-epsilon,0)$ for sufficiently small $epsilon$. In particular, all of these sets will intersect every neighborhood of $(0,0)in M$ (on the negative side). So there is no neighborhood of $(0,0)$ which intersects only finitely many sets in $mathcal{U}$, so $mathcal{U}$ is not locally finite.






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    Part (iii) is in fact false as stated; you have to additionally assume $M$ is Hausdorff (or that the condition of part (i) holds). Here is a counterexample. Let $M=(-infty,0)cup(mathbb{N}times [0,infty))$. For each $ninmathbb{N}$, define $f_n:mathbb{R}to M$ by $f_n(t)=t$ if $t<0$ and $f_n(t)=(n,t)$ if $ngeq 0$. These maps $f_n$ can be taken as an atlas on $M$, which trivially satisfies (iii) since there are only countably many of them. However, I claim that the induced topology on $M$ is not paracompact.



    Indeed, let $U_n=f_n(mathbb{R})$; the $U_n$ form an open cover of $M$. Let $mathcal{U}$ be any refinement of this open cover. Note that for each $n$, $mathcal{U}$ contains a neighborhood of $(n,0)$, and these neighborhoods are different for different values of $n$ since they must be contained in $U_n$. But any neighborhood of $(n,0)$ contains the entire interval $(-epsilon,0)$ for sufficiently small $epsilon$. In particular, all of these sets will intersect every neighborhood of $(0,0)in M$ (on the negative side). So there is no neighborhood of $(0,0)$ which intersects only finitely many sets in $mathcal{U}$, so $mathcal{U}$ is not locally finite.






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      Part (iii) is in fact false as stated; you have to additionally assume $M$ is Hausdorff (or that the condition of part (i) holds). Here is a counterexample. Let $M=(-infty,0)cup(mathbb{N}times [0,infty))$. For each $ninmathbb{N}$, define $f_n:mathbb{R}to M$ by $f_n(t)=t$ if $t<0$ and $f_n(t)=(n,t)$ if $ngeq 0$. These maps $f_n$ can be taken as an atlas on $M$, which trivially satisfies (iii) since there are only countably many of them. However, I claim that the induced topology on $M$ is not paracompact.



      Indeed, let $U_n=f_n(mathbb{R})$; the $U_n$ form an open cover of $M$. Let $mathcal{U}$ be any refinement of this open cover. Note that for each $n$, $mathcal{U}$ contains a neighborhood of $(n,0)$, and these neighborhoods are different for different values of $n$ since they must be contained in $U_n$. But any neighborhood of $(n,0)$ contains the entire interval $(-epsilon,0)$ for sufficiently small $epsilon$. In particular, all of these sets will intersect every neighborhood of $(0,0)in M$ (on the negative side). So there is no neighborhood of $(0,0)$ which intersects only finitely many sets in $mathcal{U}$, so $mathcal{U}$ is not locally finite.






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        Part (iii) is in fact false as stated; you have to additionally assume $M$ is Hausdorff (or that the condition of part (i) holds). Here is a counterexample. Let $M=(-infty,0)cup(mathbb{N}times [0,infty))$. For each $ninmathbb{N}$, define $f_n:mathbb{R}to M$ by $f_n(t)=t$ if $t<0$ and $f_n(t)=(n,t)$ if $ngeq 0$. These maps $f_n$ can be taken as an atlas on $M$, which trivially satisfies (iii) since there are only countably many of them. However, I claim that the induced topology on $M$ is not paracompact.



        Indeed, let $U_n=f_n(mathbb{R})$; the $U_n$ form an open cover of $M$. Let $mathcal{U}$ be any refinement of this open cover. Note that for each $n$, $mathcal{U}$ contains a neighborhood of $(n,0)$, and these neighborhoods are different for different values of $n$ since they must be contained in $U_n$. But any neighborhood of $(n,0)$ contains the entire interval $(-epsilon,0)$ for sufficiently small $epsilon$. In particular, all of these sets will intersect every neighborhood of $(0,0)in M$ (on the negative side). So there is no neighborhood of $(0,0)$ which intersects only finitely many sets in $mathcal{U}$, so $mathcal{U}$ is not locally finite.






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        Part (iii) is in fact false as stated; you have to additionally assume $M$ is Hausdorff (or that the condition of part (i) holds). Here is a counterexample. Let $M=(-infty,0)cup(mathbb{N}times [0,infty))$. For each $ninmathbb{N}$, define $f_n:mathbb{R}to M$ by $f_n(t)=t$ if $t<0$ and $f_n(t)=(n,t)$ if $ngeq 0$. These maps $f_n$ can be taken as an atlas on $M$, which trivially satisfies (iii) since there are only countably many of them. However, I claim that the induced topology on $M$ is not paracompact.



        Indeed, let $U_n=f_n(mathbb{R})$; the $U_n$ form an open cover of $M$. Let $mathcal{U}$ be any refinement of this open cover. Note that for each $n$, $mathcal{U}$ contains a neighborhood of $(n,0)$, and these neighborhoods are different for different values of $n$ since they must be contained in $U_n$. But any neighborhood of $(n,0)$ contains the entire interval $(-epsilon,0)$ for sufficiently small $epsilon$. In particular, all of these sets will intersect every neighborhood of $(0,0)in M$ (on the negative side). So there is no neighborhood of $(0,0)$ which intersects only finitely many sets in $mathcal{U}$, so $mathcal{U}$ is not locally finite.







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