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My professor assigned this question and I am a bit confused by the wording of it.



Find (a) a basis for the row space and (b) rank of the matrix:
begin{bmatrix}2&5\-2&-5\-6&-15end{bmatrix}



There is only one pivot row, r1 so the rank is one. What I don't understand is finding a basis for the row space.

- There isn't a basis for the row spaces in the vector space of M3,2 matrices because there is only one pivot row.

- Since there is only one pivot row, then the row space can only be a basis for M1,2 right?










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    the vector given by the first row is a basis, the row space is one dimensional. In general, you find the row echelon form, whatever you might call it, and the nonzero rows give a basis, and the row rank is just the number of such nonzero rows
    – Will Jagy
    Nov 15 at 19:27










  • the only nonzero row in reduced row echelon form is the first row, (1,2.5,0). So this is the basis for the row space of the above matrix?
    – Evan Kim
    Nov 15 at 19:29










  • yes.................
    – Will Jagy
    Nov 15 at 19:30










  • Is there a difference between being (1,2.5,0) and (1,2.5)? I think the answer should actually be (1,2,5) because there are only two elements in the matrix. I got the 0 from reducing to row echelon form from the augmented matrix, but I don't think I needed to do that step
    – Evan Kim
    Nov 15 at 19:38






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    I did not notice the $0,$ which is wrong. The basis vector is either your $(1,frac{5}{2})$ or the original $(2,5).$ I suggest you stick with your $(1,frac{5}{2})$ as it comes directly from the echelon form
    – Will Jagy
    Nov 15 at 19:47















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My professor assigned this question and I am a bit confused by the wording of it.



Find (a) a basis for the row space and (b) rank of the matrix:
begin{bmatrix}2&5\-2&-5\-6&-15end{bmatrix}



There is only one pivot row, r1 so the rank is one. What I don't understand is finding a basis for the row space.

- There isn't a basis for the row spaces in the vector space of M3,2 matrices because there is only one pivot row.

- Since there is only one pivot row, then the row space can only be a basis for M1,2 right?










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    the vector given by the first row is a basis, the row space is one dimensional. In general, you find the row echelon form, whatever you might call it, and the nonzero rows give a basis, and the row rank is just the number of such nonzero rows
    – Will Jagy
    Nov 15 at 19:27










  • the only nonzero row in reduced row echelon form is the first row, (1,2.5,0). So this is the basis for the row space of the above matrix?
    – Evan Kim
    Nov 15 at 19:29










  • yes.................
    – Will Jagy
    Nov 15 at 19:30










  • Is there a difference between being (1,2.5,0) and (1,2.5)? I think the answer should actually be (1,2,5) because there are only two elements in the matrix. I got the 0 from reducing to row echelon form from the augmented matrix, but I don't think I needed to do that step
    – Evan Kim
    Nov 15 at 19:38






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    I did not notice the $0,$ which is wrong. The basis vector is either your $(1,frac{5}{2})$ or the original $(2,5).$ I suggest you stick with your $(1,frac{5}{2})$ as it comes directly from the echelon form
    – Will Jagy
    Nov 15 at 19:47













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My professor assigned this question and I am a bit confused by the wording of it.



Find (a) a basis for the row space and (b) rank of the matrix:
begin{bmatrix}2&5\-2&-5\-6&-15end{bmatrix}



There is only one pivot row, r1 so the rank is one. What I don't understand is finding a basis for the row space.

- There isn't a basis for the row spaces in the vector space of M3,2 matrices because there is only one pivot row.

- Since there is only one pivot row, then the row space can only be a basis for M1,2 right?










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My professor assigned this question and I am a bit confused by the wording of it.



Find (a) a basis for the row space and (b) rank of the matrix:
begin{bmatrix}2&5\-2&-5\-6&-15end{bmatrix}



There is only one pivot row, r1 so the rank is one. What I don't understand is finding a basis for the row space.

- There isn't a basis for the row spaces in the vector space of M3,2 matrices because there is only one pivot row.

- Since there is only one pivot row, then the row space can only be a basis for M1,2 right?







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    the vector given by the first row is a basis, the row space is one dimensional. In general, you find the row echelon form, whatever you might call it, and the nonzero rows give a basis, and the row rank is just the number of such nonzero rows
    – Will Jagy
    Nov 15 at 19:27










  • the only nonzero row in reduced row echelon form is the first row, (1,2.5,0). So this is the basis for the row space of the above matrix?
    – Evan Kim
    Nov 15 at 19:29










  • yes.................
    – Will Jagy
    Nov 15 at 19:30










  • Is there a difference between being (1,2.5,0) and (1,2.5)? I think the answer should actually be (1,2,5) because there are only two elements in the matrix. I got the 0 from reducing to row echelon form from the augmented matrix, but I don't think I needed to do that step
    – Evan Kim
    Nov 15 at 19:38






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    I did not notice the $0,$ which is wrong. The basis vector is either your $(1,frac{5}{2})$ or the original $(2,5).$ I suggest you stick with your $(1,frac{5}{2})$ as it comes directly from the echelon form
    – Will Jagy
    Nov 15 at 19:47














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    the vector given by the first row is a basis, the row space is one dimensional. In general, you find the row echelon form, whatever you might call it, and the nonzero rows give a basis, and the row rank is just the number of such nonzero rows
    – Will Jagy
    Nov 15 at 19:27










  • the only nonzero row in reduced row echelon form is the first row, (1,2.5,0). So this is the basis for the row space of the above matrix?
    – Evan Kim
    Nov 15 at 19:29










  • yes.................
    – Will Jagy
    Nov 15 at 19:30










  • Is there a difference between being (1,2.5,0) and (1,2.5)? I think the answer should actually be (1,2,5) because there are only two elements in the matrix. I got the 0 from reducing to row echelon form from the augmented matrix, but I don't think I needed to do that step
    – Evan Kim
    Nov 15 at 19:38






  • 1




    I did not notice the $0,$ which is wrong. The basis vector is either your $(1,frac{5}{2})$ or the original $(2,5).$ I suggest you stick with your $(1,frac{5}{2})$ as it comes directly from the echelon form
    – Will Jagy
    Nov 15 at 19:47








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the vector given by the first row is a basis, the row space is one dimensional. In general, you find the row echelon form, whatever you might call it, and the nonzero rows give a basis, and the row rank is just the number of such nonzero rows
– Will Jagy
Nov 15 at 19:27




the vector given by the first row is a basis, the row space is one dimensional. In general, you find the row echelon form, whatever you might call it, and the nonzero rows give a basis, and the row rank is just the number of such nonzero rows
– Will Jagy
Nov 15 at 19:27












the only nonzero row in reduced row echelon form is the first row, (1,2.5,0). So this is the basis for the row space of the above matrix?
– Evan Kim
Nov 15 at 19:29




the only nonzero row in reduced row echelon form is the first row, (1,2.5,0). So this is the basis for the row space of the above matrix?
– Evan Kim
Nov 15 at 19:29












yes.................
– Will Jagy
Nov 15 at 19:30




yes.................
– Will Jagy
Nov 15 at 19:30












Is there a difference between being (1,2.5,0) and (1,2.5)? I think the answer should actually be (1,2,5) because there are only two elements in the matrix. I got the 0 from reducing to row echelon form from the augmented matrix, but I don't think I needed to do that step
– Evan Kim
Nov 15 at 19:38




Is there a difference between being (1,2.5,0) and (1,2.5)? I think the answer should actually be (1,2,5) because there are only two elements in the matrix. I got the 0 from reducing to row echelon form from the augmented matrix, but I don't think I needed to do that step
– Evan Kim
Nov 15 at 19:38




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I did not notice the $0,$ which is wrong. The basis vector is either your $(1,frac{5}{2})$ or the original $(2,5).$ I suggest you stick with your $(1,frac{5}{2})$ as it comes directly from the echelon form
– Will Jagy
Nov 15 at 19:47




I did not notice the $0,$ which is wrong. The basis vector is either your $(1,frac{5}{2})$ or the original $(2,5).$ I suggest you stick with your $(1,frac{5}{2})$ as it comes directly from the echelon form
– Will Jagy
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Before we begin, let's define something first:




  1. Let the matrix in your question denoted as $A$.

  2. Let the row space of $A$ denoted as $RS(A)$.

  3. RREF is the abbreviation of reduced row echelon form, which is the result of Gauss-Jordan elimination.


  4. Given any tuple $(a,b)inmathbb R^2$:




    • It can be seen as
      $left[
      begin{array}{c}
      a\ b
      end{array}
      right]inmathbb R^{2times1}$


    • It can be seen as
      $left[
      begin{array}{r}
      a, b
      end{array}
      right]inmathbb R^{1times2}$


    • So let's just use $(a,b)inmathbb R^2$ to mean one of them that makes sense in the context.






["] There isn't a basis for the row spaces in the vector space of M3,2 matrices because there is only one pivot row [."]




  • By definition of row space, it's the span of the rows of $A$, which is a subspace of $mathbb R^2$(or $mathbb R^{1times2}$ as explained above) so it must has a basis.


  • $dim mathbb R^2=2,$ and $dim RS(A)=1$, no contradiction.


  • $(2,5)$ is not a basis of $mathbb R^2$.


  • $(2,5)$ is a basis of $RS(A)$.


["] Since there is only one pivot row, then the row space can only be a basis for M1,2 right? [."]





  • $textrm{One pivot row in RREF}$ $iff$ $textrm{rank}(A)=1$.

  • Basis is a set of vector(s) that spans a (sub)space.

  • Row space is a subspace, which means it contains $mathbf 0$, so it cannot be a basis.


From the comment, you might also consider some questions/issues:




  • Why turning $A$ into RREF doesn't change the $RS(A)$?

  • Why you said the first row in RREF is $(1,2.5,0)inmathbb R^3$? It should still be in $mathbb R^2$.

  • The difference is that $(1,2.5)inmathbb R^2$ and $(1,2.5,0)inmathbb R^3$.






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    Before we begin, let's define something first:




    1. Let the matrix in your question denoted as $A$.

    2. Let the row space of $A$ denoted as $RS(A)$.

    3. RREF is the abbreviation of reduced row echelon form, which is the result of Gauss-Jordan elimination.


    4. Given any tuple $(a,b)inmathbb R^2$:




      • It can be seen as
        $left[
        begin{array}{c}
        a\ b
        end{array}
        right]inmathbb R^{2times1}$


      • It can be seen as
        $left[
        begin{array}{r}
        a, b
        end{array}
        right]inmathbb R^{1times2}$


      • So let's just use $(a,b)inmathbb R^2$ to mean one of them that makes sense in the context.






    ["] There isn't a basis for the row spaces in the vector space of M3,2 matrices because there is only one pivot row [."]




    • By definition of row space, it's the span of the rows of $A$, which is a subspace of $mathbb R^2$(or $mathbb R^{1times2}$ as explained above) so it must has a basis.


    • $dim mathbb R^2=2,$ and $dim RS(A)=1$, no contradiction.


    • $(2,5)$ is not a basis of $mathbb R^2$.


    • $(2,5)$ is a basis of $RS(A)$.


    ["] Since there is only one pivot row, then the row space can only be a basis for M1,2 right? [."]





    • $textrm{One pivot row in RREF}$ $iff$ $textrm{rank}(A)=1$.

    • Basis is a set of vector(s) that spans a (sub)space.

    • Row space is a subspace, which means it contains $mathbf 0$, so it cannot be a basis.


    From the comment, you might also consider some questions/issues:




    • Why turning $A$ into RREF doesn't change the $RS(A)$?

    • Why you said the first row in RREF is $(1,2.5,0)inmathbb R^3$? It should still be in $mathbb R^2$.

    • The difference is that $(1,2.5)inmathbb R^2$ and $(1,2.5,0)inmathbb R^3$.






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      Before we begin, let's define something first:




      1. Let the matrix in your question denoted as $A$.

      2. Let the row space of $A$ denoted as $RS(A)$.

      3. RREF is the abbreviation of reduced row echelon form, which is the result of Gauss-Jordan elimination.


      4. Given any tuple $(a,b)inmathbb R^2$:




        • It can be seen as
          $left[
          begin{array}{c}
          a\ b
          end{array}
          right]inmathbb R^{2times1}$


        • It can be seen as
          $left[
          begin{array}{r}
          a, b
          end{array}
          right]inmathbb R^{1times2}$


        • So let's just use $(a,b)inmathbb R^2$ to mean one of them that makes sense in the context.






      ["] There isn't a basis for the row spaces in the vector space of M3,2 matrices because there is only one pivot row [."]




      • By definition of row space, it's the span of the rows of $A$, which is a subspace of $mathbb R^2$(or $mathbb R^{1times2}$ as explained above) so it must has a basis.


      • $dim mathbb R^2=2,$ and $dim RS(A)=1$, no contradiction.


      • $(2,5)$ is not a basis of $mathbb R^2$.


      • $(2,5)$ is a basis of $RS(A)$.


      ["] Since there is only one pivot row, then the row space can only be a basis for M1,2 right? [."]





      • $textrm{One pivot row in RREF}$ $iff$ $textrm{rank}(A)=1$.

      • Basis is a set of vector(s) that spans a (sub)space.

      • Row space is a subspace, which means it contains $mathbf 0$, so it cannot be a basis.


      From the comment, you might also consider some questions/issues:




      • Why turning $A$ into RREF doesn't change the $RS(A)$?

      • Why you said the first row in RREF is $(1,2.5,0)inmathbb R^3$? It should still be in $mathbb R^2$.

      • The difference is that $(1,2.5)inmathbb R^2$ and $(1,2.5,0)inmathbb R^3$.






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        Before we begin, let's define something first:




        1. Let the matrix in your question denoted as $A$.

        2. Let the row space of $A$ denoted as $RS(A)$.

        3. RREF is the abbreviation of reduced row echelon form, which is the result of Gauss-Jordan elimination.


        4. Given any tuple $(a,b)inmathbb R^2$:




          • It can be seen as
            $left[
            begin{array}{c}
            a\ b
            end{array}
            right]inmathbb R^{2times1}$


          • It can be seen as
            $left[
            begin{array}{r}
            a, b
            end{array}
            right]inmathbb R^{1times2}$


          • So let's just use $(a,b)inmathbb R^2$ to mean one of them that makes sense in the context.






        ["] There isn't a basis for the row spaces in the vector space of M3,2 matrices because there is only one pivot row [."]




        • By definition of row space, it's the span of the rows of $A$, which is a subspace of $mathbb R^2$(or $mathbb R^{1times2}$ as explained above) so it must has a basis.


        • $dim mathbb R^2=2,$ and $dim RS(A)=1$, no contradiction.


        • $(2,5)$ is not a basis of $mathbb R^2$.


        • $(2,5)$ is a basis of $RS(A)$.


        ["] Since there is only one pivot row, then the row space can only be a basis for M1,2 right? [."]





        • $textrm{One pivot row in RREF}$ $iff$ $textrm{rank}(A)=1$.

        • Basis is a set of vector(s) that spans a (sub)space.

        • Row space is a subspace, which means it contains $mathbf 0$, so it cannot be a basis.


        From the comment, you might also consider some questions/issues:




        • Why turning $A$ into RREF doesn't change the $RS(A)$?

        • Why you said the first row in RREF is $(1,2.5,0)inmathbb R^3$? It should still be in $mathbb R^2$.

        • The difference is that $(1,2.5)inmathbb R^2$ and $(1,2.5,0)inmathbb R^3$.






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        Before we begin, let's define something first:




        1. Let the matrix in your question denoted as $A$.

        2. Let the row space of $A$ denoted as $RS(A)$.

        3. RREF is the abbreviation of reduced row echelon form, which is the result of Gauss-Jordan elimination.


        4. Given any tuple $(a,b)inmathbb R^2$:




          • It can be seen as
            $left[
            begin{array}{c}
            a\ b
            end{array}
            right]inmathbb R^{2times1}$


          • It can be seen as
            $left[
            begin{array}{r}
            a, b
            end{array}
            right]inmathbb R^{1times2}$


          • So let's just use $(a,b)inmathbb R^2$ to mean one of them that makes sense in the context.






        ["] There isn't a basis for the row spaces in the vector space of M3,2 matrices because there is only one pivot row [."]




        • By definition of row space, it's the span of the rows of $A$, which is a subspace of $mathbb R^2$(or $mathbb R^{1times2}$ as explained above) so it must has a basis.


        • $dim mathbb R^2=2,$ and $dim RS(A)=1$, no contradiction.


        • $(2,5)$ is not a basis of $mathbb R^2$.


        • $(2,5)$ is a basis of $RS(A)$.


        ["] Since there is only one pivot row, then the row space can only be a basis for M1,2 right? [."]





        • $textrm{One pivot row in RREF}$ $iff$ $textrm{rank}(A)=1$.

        • Basis is a set of vector(s) that spans a (sub)space.

        • Row space is a subspace, which means it contains $mathbf 0$, so it cannot be a basis.


        From the comment, you might also consider some questions/issues:




        • Why turning $A$ into RREF doesn't change the $RS(A)$?

        • Why you said the first row in RREF is $(1,2.5,0)inmathbb R^3$? It should still be in $mathbb R^2$.

        • The difference is that $(1,2.5)inmathbb R^2$ and $(1,2.5,0)inmathbb R^3$.







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