Irrational equation $sqrt{9-4x}=p-2x$
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The equation
$$sqrt{9-4x}=p-2x$$
has exactly 2 real and different solutions only if parameter $p$ belongs to which set?
So what I see here, to have the solutions be real in the first place,
$9-4xge0$
So $-4xge-9 Rightarrow xle{9over4}$
$xinleft(-infty,{9over4}right]$
From here I quadrate both sides so I get 2 different possibilities:
1. For $pge2x$:
$9-4x=p^2-4x+4x^2\9-4x-p^2+4x-4x^2=0\-4x^2-p^2+9=0$
And for this to have 2 real and different solutions, $D>0$
$-4(-4)(-p^2+9)>0\16(-p^2+9)>0\-16p^2+144>0\-16p^2>-144\p^2<9\|p|<3 Rightarrow pin(-3,3)$
2. For $p<2x:$
$9-4x=-p^2+4x-4x^2\9-4x+p^2+4x^2-4x=0\4x^2-8x+p^2+9=0$
Again $D>0$
$(-8)^2-4cdot4(p^2+9)>0\64-16p^2-144>0\p^2<-5\pnotinBbb R$
The problem here is I don't know how to use $xinleft(-infty,{9over4}right]$ in both cases, so I don't exactly know the solution to this problem. From the textbook I got this question from the result is $pinleft[{9over2},5right)$
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The equation
$$sqrt{9-4x}=p-2x$$
has exactly 2 real and different solutions only if parameter $p$ belongs to which set?
So what I see here, to have the solutions be real in the first place,
$9-4xge0$
So $-4xge-9 Rightarrow xle{9over4}$
$xinleft(-infty,{9over4}right]$
From here I quadrate both sides so I get 2 different possibilities:
1. For $pge2x$:
$9-4x=p^2-4x+4x^2\9-4x-p^2+4x-4x^2=0\-4x^2-p^2+9=0$
And for this to have 2 real and different solutions, $D>0$
$-4(-4)(-p^2+9)>0\16(-p^2+9)>0\-16p^2+144>0\-16p^2>-144\p^2<9\|p|<3 Rightarrow pin(-3,3)$
2. For $p<2x:$
$9-4x=-p^2+4x-4x^2\9-4x+p^2+4x^2-4x=0\4x^2-8x+p^2+9=0$
Again $D>0$
$(-8)^2-4cdot4(p^2+9)>0\64-16p^2-144>0\p^2<-5\pnotinBbb R$
The problem here is I don't know how to use $xinleft(-infty,{9over4}right]$ in both cases, so I don't exactly know the solution to this problem. From the textbook I got this question from the result is $pinleft[{9over2},5right)$
algebra-precalculus
1) The casework comes upon taking square roots, not in squaring. In particular, $(p-2x)^2=p^2-4x+4x^2$ regardless of whether $p-2x$ is positive or negative. 2) The quantity $sqrt{9-4x}$, being the principal root, is assumed to be positive.
– Semiclassical
Nov 15 at 18:34
@Semiclassical But for it to be real, shouldn't it always be positive when squared?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 18:37
Yes, and $p^2-4x+4x^2$ is nonnegative whenever $x,p$ are real quantities. There's no contradiction there.
– Semiclassical
Nov 15 at 18:39
@Semiclassical Okay, so that makes only my first case valid, but again, how do I connect the result I got from there with the $x$ set I got?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 18:41
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Oh, a big typo I missed (and accidentally reproduced): $(p-2x)^2=p^2-4xp+4x^2$, not $p^2-4x+4x^2$
– Semiclassical
Nov 15 at 18:41
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The equation
$$sqrt{9-4x}=p-2x$$
has exactly 2 real and different solutions only if parameter $p$ belongs to which set?
So what I see here, to have the solutions be real in the first place,
$9-4xge0$
So $-4xge-9 Rightarrow xle{9over4}$
$xinleft(-infty,{9over4}right]$
From here I quadrate both sides so I get 2 different possibilities:
1. For $pge2x$:
$9-4x=p^2-4x+4x^2\9-4x-p^2+4x-4x^2=0\-4x^2-p^2+9=0$
And for this to have 2 real and different solutions, $D>0$
$-4(-4)(-p^2+9)>0\16(-p^2+9)>0\-16p^2+144>0\-16p^2>-144\p^2<9\|p|<3 Rightarrow pin(-3,3)$
2. For $p<2x:$
$9-4x=-p^2+4x-4x^2\9-4x+p^2+4x^2-4x=0\4x^2-8x+p^2+9=0$
Again $D>0$
$(-8)^2-4cdot4(p^2+9)>0\64-16p^2-144>0\p^2<-5\pnotinBbb R$
The problem here is I don't know how to use $xinleft(-infty,{9over4}right]$ in both cases, so I don't exactly know the solution to this problem. From the textbook I got this question from the result is $pinleft[{9over2},5right)$
algebra-precalculus
The equation
$$sqrt{9-4x}=p-2x$$
has exactly 2 real and different solutions only if parameter $p$ belongs to which set?
So what I see here, to have the solutions be real in the first place,
$9-4xge0$
So $-4xge-9 Rightarrow xle{9over4}$
$xinleft(-infty,{9over4}right]$
From here I quadrate both sides so I get 2 different possibilities:
1. For $pge2x$:
$9-4x=p^2-4x+4x^2\9-4x-p^2+4x-4x^2=0\-4x^2-p^2+9=0$
And for this to have 2 real and different solutions, $D>0$
$-4(-4)(-p^2+9)>0\16(-p^2+9)>0\-16p^2+144>0\-16p^2>-144\p^2<9\|p|<3 Rightarrow pin(-3,3)$
2. For $p<2x:$
$9-4x=-p^2+4x-4x^2\9-4x+p^2+4x^2-4x=0\4x^2-8x+p^2+9=0$
Again $D>0$
$(-8)^2-4cdot4(p^2+9)>0\64-16p^2-144>0\p^2<-5\pnotinBbb R$
The problem here is I don't know how to use $xinleft(-infty,{9over4}right]$ in both cases, so I don't exactly know the solution to this problem. From the textbook I got this question from the result is $pinleft[{9over2},5right)$
algebra-precalculus
algebra-precalculus
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1) The casework comes upon taking square roots, not in squaring. In particular, $(p-2x)^2=p^2-4x+4x^2$ regardless of whether $p-2x$ is positive or negative. 2) The quantity $sqrt{9-4x}$, being the principal root, is assumed to be positive.
– Semiclassical
Nov 15 at 18:34
@Semiclassical But for it to be real, shouldn't it always be positive when squared?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 18:37
Yes, and $p^2-4x+4x^2$ is nonnegative whenever $x,p$ are real quantities. There's no contradiction there.
– Semiclassical
Nov 15 at 18:39
@Semiclassical Okay, so that makes only my first case valid, but again, how do I connect the result I got from there with the $x$ set I got?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 18:41
3
Oh, a big typo I missed (and accidentally reproduced): $(p-2x)^2=p^2-4xp+4x^2$, not $p^2-4x+4x^2$
– Semiclassical
Nov 15 at 18:41
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1) The casework comes upon taking square roots, not in squaring. In particular, $(p-2x)^2=p^2-4x+4x^2$ regardless of whether $p-2x$ is positive or negative. 2) The quantity $sqrt{9-4x}$, being the principal root, is assumed to be positive.
– Semiclassical
Nov 15 at 18:34
@Semiclassical But for it to be real, shouldn't it always be positive when squared?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 18:37
Yes, and $p^2-4x+4x^2$ is nonnegative whenever $x,p$ are real quantities. There's no contradiction there.
– Semiclassical
Nov 15 at 18:39
@Semiclassical Okay, so that makes only my first case valid, but again, how do I connect the result I got from there with the $x$ set I got?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 18:41
3
Oh, a big typo I missed (and accidentally reproduced): $(p-2x)^2=p^2-4xp+4x^2$, not $p^2-4x+4x^2$
– Semiclassical
Nov 15 at 18:41
1) The casework comes upon taking square roots, not in squaring. In particular, $(p-2x)^2=p^2-4x+4x^2$ regardless of whether $p-2x$ is positive or negative. 2) The quantity $sqrt{9-4x}$, being the principal root, is assumed to be positive.
– Semiclassical
Nov 15 at 18:34
1) The casework comes upon taking square roots, not in squaring. In particular, $(p-2x)^2=p^2-4x+4x^2$ regardless of whether $p-2x$ is positive or negative. 2) The quantity $sqrt{9-4x}$, being the principal root, is assumed to be positive.
– Semiclassical
Nov 15 at 18:34
@Semiclassical But for it to be real, shouldn't it always be positive when squared?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 18:37
@Semiclassical But for it to be real, shouldn't it always be positive when squared?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 18:37
Yes, and $p^2-4x+4x^2$ is nonnegative whenever $x,p$ are real quantities. There's no contradiction there.
– Semiclassical
Nov 15 at 18:39
Yes, and $p^2-4x+4x^2$ is nonnegative whenever $x,p$ are real quantities. There's no contradiction there.
– Semiclassical
Nov 15 at 18:39
@Semiclassical Okay, so that makes only my first case valid, but again, how do I connect the result I got from there with the $x$ set I got?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 18:41
@Semiclassical Okay, so that makes only my first case valid, but again, how do I connect the result I got from there with the $x$ set I got?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 18:41
3
3
Oh, a big typo I missed (and accidentally reproduced): $(p-2x)^2=p^2-4xp+4x^2$, not $p^2-4x+4x^2$
– Semiclassical
Nov 15 at 18:41
Oh, a big typo I missed (and accidentally reproduced): $(p-2x)^2=p^2-4xp+4x^2$, not $p^2-4x+4x^2$
– Semiclassical
Nov 15 at 18:41
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As already pointed out in a comment, $(p-2x)^2 = p^2-4px+4x^2$, which results in
$$4x^2 - 4(p-1)x+(p^2-9) = 0,$$
or
$$x = frac{(p-1)pmsqrt{10-2p}}{2}.$$
For two real distinct roots, $10-2p > 0 implies color{red}{p < 5}$.
Also, $p ge 2x$ implies $$(p-1)pmsqrt{10-2p} le p implies sqrt{10-2p}le 1 implies color{red}{p ge frac{9}{2}}.$$
Note that
Finally someone answered! So the $pge 2x$ was needed after all? I still don't understand why I didn't do the case where $ple 2x$, could you clear that up in a comment here?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 19:12
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@Aleksa The square root, $sqrt{9-4x}$, is always non-negative. That is why $p-2x ge 0$. For example, $sqrt{9-4x}=-3$ does not have a real solution.
– Math Lover
Nov 15 at 19:18
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As already pointed out in a comment, $(p-2x)^2 = p^2-4px+4x^2$, which results in
$$4x^2 - 4(p-1)x+(p^2-9) = 0,$$
or
$$x = frac{(p-1)pmsqrt{10-2p}}{2}.$$
For two real distinct roots, $10-2p > 0 implies color{red}{p < 5}$.
Also, $p ge 2x$ implies $$(p-1)pmsqrt{10-2p} le p implies sqrt{10-2p}le 1 implies color{red}{p ge frac{9}{2}}.$$
Note that
Finally someone answered! So the $pge 2x$ was needed after all? I still don't understand why I didn't do the case where $ple 2x$, could you clear that up in a comment here?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 19:12
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@Aleksa The square root, $sqrt{9-4x}$, is always non-negative. That is why $p-2x ge 0$. For example, $sqrt{9-4x}=-3$ does not have a real solution.
– Math Lover
Nov 15 at 19:18
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As already pointed out in a comment, $(p-2x)^2 = p^2-4px+4x^2$, which results in
$$4x^2 - 4(p-1)x+(p^2-9) = 0,$$
or
$$x = frac{(p-1)pmsqrt{10-2p}}{2}.$$
For two real distinct roots, $10-2p > 0 implies color{red}{p < 5}$.
Also, $p ge 2x$ implies $$(p-1)pmsqrt{10-2p} le p implies sqrt{10-2p}le 1 implies color{red}{p ge frac{9}{2}}.$$
Note that
Finally someone answered! So the $pge 2x$ was needed after all? I still don't understand why I didn't do the case where $ple 2x$, could you clear that up in a comment here?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 19:12
1
@Aleksa The square root, $sqrt{9-4x}$, is always non-negative. That is why $p-2x ge 0$. For example, $sqrt{9-4x}=-3$ does not have a real solution.
– Math Lover
Nov 15 at 19:18
add a comment |
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up vote
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As already pointed out in a comment, $(p-2x)^2 = p^2-4px+4x^2$, which results in
$$4x^2 - 4(p-1)x+(p^2-9) = 0,$$
or
$$x = frac{(p-1)pmsqrt{10-2p}}{2}.$$
For two real distinct roots, $10-2p > 0 implies color{red}{p < 5}$.
Also, $p ge 2x$ implies $$(p-1)pmsqrt{10-2p} le p implies sqrt{10-2p}le 1 implies color{red}{p ge frac{9}{2}}.$$
Note that
As already pointed out in a comment, $(p-2x)^2 = p^2-4px+4x^2$, which results in
$$4x^2 - 4(p-1)x+(p^2-9) = 0,$$
or
$$x = frac{(p-1)pmsqrt{10-2p}}{2}.$$
For two real distinct roots, $10-2p > 0 implies color{red}{p < 5}$.
Also, $p ge 2x$ implies $$(p-1)pmsqrt{10-2p} le p implies sqrt{10-2p}le 1 implies color{red}{p ge frac{9}{2}}.$$
Note that
answered Nov 15 at 19:05
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Finally someone answered! So the $pge 2x$ was needed after all? I still don't understand why I didn't do the case where $ple 2x$, could you clear that up in a comment here?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 19:12
1
@Aleksa The square root, $sqrt{9-4x}$, is always non-negative. That is why $p-2x ge 0$. For example, $sqrt{9-4x}=-3$ does not have a real solution.
– Math Lover
Nov 15 at 19:18
add a comment |
Finally someone answered! So the $pge 2x$ was needed after all? I still don't understand why I didn't do the case where $ple 2x$, could you clear that up in a comment here?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 19:12
1
@Aleksa The square root, $sqrt{9-4x}$, is always non-negative. That is why $p-2x ge 0$. For example, $sqrt{9-4x}=-3$ does not have a real solution.
– Math Lover
Nov 15 at 19:18
Finally someone answered! So the $pge 2x$ was needed after all? I still don't understand why I didn't do the case where $ple 2x$, could you clear that up in a comment here?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 19:12
Finally someone answered! So the $pge 2x$ was needed after all? I still don't understand why I didn't do the case where $ple 2x$, could you clear that up in a comment here?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 19:12
1
1
@Aleksa The square root, $sqrt{9-4x}$, is always non-negative. That is why $p-2x ge 0$. For example, $sqrt{9-4x}=-3$ does not have a real solution.
– Math Lover
Nov 15 at 19:18
@Aleksa The square root, $sqrt{9-4x}$, is always non-negative. That is why $p-2x ge 0$. For example, $sqrt{9-4x}=-3$ does not have a real solution.
– Math Lover
Nov 15 at 19:18
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1) The casework comes upon taking square roots, not in squaring. In particular, $(p-2x)^2=p^2-4x+4x^2$ regardless of whether $p-2x$ is positive or negative. 2) The quantity $sqrt{9-4x}$, being the principal root, is assumed to be positive.
– Semiclassical
Nov 15 at 18:34
@Semiclassical But for it to be real, shouldn't it always be positive when squared?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 18:37
Yes, and $p^2-4x+4x^2$ is nonnegative whenever $x,p$ are real quantities. There's no contradiction there.
– Semiclassical
Nov 15 at 18:39
@Semiclassical Okay, so that makes only my first case valid, but again, how do I connect the result I got from there with the $x$ set I got?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 18:41
3
Oh, a big typo I missed (and accidentally reproduced): $(p-2x)^2=p^2-4xp+4x^2$, not $p^2-4x+4x^2$
– Semiclassical
Nov 15 at 18:41