Irrational equation $sqrt{9-4x}=p-2x$











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The equation
$$sqrt{9-4x}=p-2x$$
has exactly 2 real and different solutions only if parameter $p$ belongs to which set?




So what I see here, to have the solutions be real in the first place,



$9-4xge0$



So $-4xge-9 Rightarrow xle{9over4}$



$xinleft(-infty,{9over4}right]$



From here I quadrate both sides so I get 2 different possibilities:



1. For $pge2x$:



$9-4x=p^2-4x+4x^2\9-4x-p^2+4x-4x^2=0\-4x^2-p^2+9=0$



And for this to have 2 real and different solutions, $D>0$



$-4(-4)(-p^2+9)>0\16(-p^2+9)>0\-16p^2+144>0\-16p^2>-144\p^2<9\|p|<3 Rightarrow pin(-3,3)$



2. For $p<2x:$



$9-4x=-p^2+4x-4x^2\9-4x+p^2+4x^2-4x=0\4x^2-8x+p^2+9=0$



Again $D>0$



$(-8)^2-4cdot4(p^2+9)>0\64-16p^2-144>0\p^2<-5\pnotinBbb R$



The problem here is I don't know how to use $xinleft(-infty,{9over4}right]$ in both cases, so I don't exactly know the solution to this problem. From the textbook I got this question from the result is $pinleft[{9over2},5right)$










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  • 1) The casework comes upon taking square roots, not in squaring. In particular, $(p-2x)^2=p^2-4x+4x^2$ regardless of whether $p-2x$ is positive or negative. 2) The quantity $sqrt{9-4x}$, being the principal root, is assumed to be positive.
    – Semiclassical
    Nov 15 at 18:34












  • @Semiclassical But for it to be real, shouldn't it always be positive when squared?
    – Aleksa
    Nov 15 at 18:37










  • Yes, and $p^2-4x+4x^2$ is nonnegative whenever $x,p$ are real quantities. There's no contradiction there.
    – Semiclassical
    Nov 15 at 18:39










  • @Semiclassical Okay, so that makes only my first case valid, but again, how do I connect the result I got from there with the $x$ set I got?
    – Aleksa
    Nov 15 at 18:41






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    Oh, a big typo I missed (and accidentally reproduced): $(p-2x)^2=p^2-4xp+4x^2$, not $p^2-4x+4x^2$
    – Semiclassical
    Nov 15 at 18:41















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The equation
$$sqrt{9-4x}=p-2x$$
has exactly 2 real and different solutions only if parameter $p$ belongs to which set?




So what I see here, to have the solutions be real in the first place,



$9-4xge0$



So $-4xge-9 Rightarrow xle{9over4}$



$xinleft(-infty,{9over4}right]$



From here I quadrate both sides so I get 2 different possibilities:



1. For $pge2x$:



$9-4x=p^2-4x+4x^2\9-4x-p^2+4x-4x^2=0\-4x^2-p^2+9=0$



And for this to have 2 real and different solutions, $D>0$



$-4(-4)(-p^2+9)>0\16(-p^2+9)>0\-16p^2+144>0\-16p^2>-144\p^2<9\|p|<3 Rightarrow pin(-3,3)$



2. For $p<2x:$



$9-4x=-p^2+4x-4x^2\9-4x+p^2+4x^2-4x=0\4x^2-8x+p^2+9=0$



Again $D>0$



$(-8)^2-4cdot4(p^2+9)>0\64-16p^2-144>0\p^2<-5\pnotinBbb R$



The problem here is I don't know how to use $xinleft(-infty,{9over4}right]$ in both cases, so I don't exactly know the solution to this problem. From the textbook I got this question from the result is $pinleft[{9over2},5right)$










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  • 1) The casework comes upon taking square roots, not in squaring. In particular, $(p-2x)^2=p^2-4x+4x^2$ regardless of whether $p-2x$ is positive or negative. 2) The quantity $sqrt{9-4x}$, being the principal root, is assumed to be positive.
    – Semiclassical
    Nov 15 at 18:34












  • @Semiclassical But for it to be real, shouldn't it always be positive when squared?
    – Aleksa
    Nov 15 at 18:37










  • Yes, and $p^2-4x+4x^2$ is nonnegative whenever $x,p$ are real quantities. There's no contradiction there.
    – Semiclassical
    Nov 15 at 18:39










  • @Semiclassical Okay, so that makes only my first case valid, but again, how do I connect the result I got from there with the $x$ set I got?
    – Aleksa
    Nov 15 at 18:41






  • 3




    Oh, a big typo I missed (and accidentally reproduced): $(p-2x)^2=p^2-4xp+4x^2$, not $p^2-4x+4x^2$
    – Semiclassical
    Nov 15 at 18:41













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The equation
$$sqrt{9-4x}=p-2x$$
has exactly 2 real and different solutions only if parameter $p$ belongs to which set?




So what I see here, to have the solutions be real in the first place,



$9-4xge0$



So $-4xge-9 Rightarrow xle{9over4}$



$xinleft(-infty,{9over4}right]$



From here I quadrate both sides so I get 2 different possibilities:



1. For $pge2x$:



$9-4x=p^2-4x+4x^2\9-4x-p^2+4x-4x^2=0\-4x^2-p^2+9=0$



And for this to have 2 real and different solutions, $D>0$



$-4(-4)(-p^2+9)>0\16(-p^2+9)>0\-16p^2+144>0\-16p^2>-144\p^2<9\|p|<3 Rightarrow pin(-3,3)$



2. For $p<2x:$



$9-4x=-p^2+4x-4x^2\9-4x+p^2+4x^2-4x=0\4x^2-8x+p^2+9=0$



Again $D>0$



$(-8)^2-4cdot4(p^2+9)>0\64-16p^2-144>0\p^2<-5\pnotinBbb R$



The problem here is I don't know how to use $xinleft(-infty,{9over4}right]$ in both cases, so I don't exactly know the solution to this problem. From the textbook I got this question from the result is $pinleft[{9over2},5right)$










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The equation
$$sqrt{9-4x}=p-2x$$
has exactly 2 real and different solutions only if parameter $p$ belongs to which set?




So what I see here, to have the solutions be real in the first place,



$9-4xge0$



So $-4xge-9 Rightarrow xle{9over4}$



$xinleft(-infty,{9over4}right]$



From here I quadrate both sides so I get 2 different possibilities:



1. For $pge2x$:



$9-4x=p^2-4x+4x^2\9-4x-p^2+4x-4x^2=0\-4x^2-p^2+9=0$



And for this to have 2 real and different solutions, $D>0$



$-4(-4)(-p^2+9)>0\16(-p^2+9)>0\-16p^2+144>0\-16p^2>-144\p^2<9\|p|<3 Rightarrow pin(-3,3)$



2. For $p<2x:$



$9-4x=-p^2+4x-4x^2\9-4x+p^2+4x^2-4x=0\4x^2-8x+p^2+9=0$



Again $D>0$



$(-8)^2-4cdot4(p^2+9)>0\64-16p^2-144>0\p^2<-5\pnotinBbb R$



The problem here is I don't know how to use $xinleft(-infty,{9over4}right]$ in both cases, so I don't exactly know the solution to this problem. From the textbook I got this question from the result is $pinleft[{9over2},5right)$







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  • 1) The casework comes upon taking square roots, not in squaring. In particular, $(p-2x)^2=p^2-4x+4x^2$ regardless of whether $p-2x$ is positive or negative. 2) The quantity $sqrt{9-4x}$, being the principal root, is assumed to be positive.
    – Semiclassical
    Nov 15 at 18:34












  • @Semiclassical But for it to be real, shouldn't it always be positive when squared?
    – Aleksa
    Nov 15 at 18:37










  • Yes, and $p^2-4x+4x^2$ is nonnegative whenever $x,p$ are real quantities. There's no contradiction there.
    – Semiclassical
    Nov 15 at 18:39










  • @Semiclassical Okay, so that makes only my first case valid, but again, how do I connect the result I got from there with the $x$ set I got?
    – Aleksa
    Nov 15 at 18:41






  • 3




    Oh, a big typo I missed (and accidentally reproduced): $(p-2x)^2=p^2-4xp+4x^2$, not $p^2-4x+4x^2$
    – Semiclassical
    Nov 15 at 18:41


















  • 1) The casework comes upon taking square roots, not in squaring. In particular, $(p-2x)^2=p^2-4x+4x^2$ regardless of whether $p-2x$ is positive or negative. 2) The quantity $sqrt{9-4x}$, being the principal root, is assumed to be positive.
    – Semiclassical
    Nov 15 at 18:34












  • @Semiclassical But for it to be real, shouldn't it always be positive when squared?
    – Aleksa
    Nov 15 at 18:37










  • Yes, and $p^2-4x+4x^2$ is nonnegative whenever $x,p$ are real quantities. There's no contradiction there.
    – Semiclassical
    Nov 15 at 18:39










  • @Semiclassical Okay, so that makes only my first case valid, but again, how do I connect the result I got from there with the $x$ set I got?
    – Aleksa
    Nov 15 at 18:41






  • 3




    Oh, a big typo I missed (and accidentally reproduced): $(p-2x)^2=p^2-4xp+4x^2$, not $p^2-4x+4x^2$
    – Semiclassical
    Nov 15 at 18:41
















1) The casework comes upon taking square roots, not in squaring. In particular, $(p-2x)^2=p^2-4x+4x^2$ regardless of whether $p-2x$ is positive or negative. 2) The quantity $sqrt{9-4x}$, being the principal root, is assumed to be positive.
– Semiclassical
Nov 15 at 18:34






1) The casework comes upon taking square roots, not in squaring. In particular, $(p-2x)^2=p^2-4x+4x^2$ regardless of whether $p-2x$ is positive or negative. 2) The quantity $sqrt{9-4x}$, being the principal root, is assumed to be positive.
– Semiclassical
Nov 15 at 18:34














@Semiclassical But for it to be real, shouldn't it always be positive when squared?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 18:37




@Semiclassical But for it to be real, shouldn't it always be positive when squared?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 18:37












Yes, and $p^2-4x+4x^2$ is nonnegative whenever $x,p$ are real quantities. There's no contradiction there.
– Semiclassical
Nov 15 at 18:39




Yes, and $p^2-4x+4x^2$ is nonnegative whenever $x,p$ are real quantities. There's no contradiction there.
– Semiclassical
Nov 15 at 18:39












@Semiclassical Okay, so that makes only my first case valid, but again, how do I connect the result I got from there with the $x$ set I got?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 18:41




@Semiclassical Okay, so that makes only my first case valid, but again, how do I connect the result I got from there with the $x$ set I got?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 18:41




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Oh, a big typo I missed (and accidentally reproduced): $(p-2x)^2=p^2-4xp+4x^2$, not $p^2-4x+4x^2$
– Semiclassical
Nov 15 at 18:41




Oh, a big typo I missed (and accidentally reproduced): $(p-2x)^2=p^2-4xp+4x^2$, not $p^2-4x+4x^2$
– Semiclassical
Nov 15 at 18:41










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As already pointed out in a comment, $(p-2x)^2 = p^2-4px+4x^2$, which results in
$$4x^2 - 4(p-1)x+(p^2-9) = 0,$$
or
$$x = frac{(p-1)pmsqrt{10-2p}}{2}.$$
For two real distinct roots, $10-2p > 0 implies color{red}{p < 5}$.



Also, $p ge 2x$ implies $$(p-1)pmsqrt{10-2p} le p implies sqrt{10-2p}le 1 implies color{red}{p ge frac{9}{2}}.$$



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  • Finally someone answered! So the $pge 2x$ was needed after all? I still don't understand why I didn't do the case where $ple 2x$, could you clear that up in a comment here?
    – Aleksa
    Nov 15 at 19:12






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    @Aleksa The square root, $sqrt{9-4x}$, is always non-negative. That is why $p-2x ge 0$. For example, $sqrt{9-4x}=-3$ does not have a real solution.
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    Nov 15 at 19:18











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As already pointed out in a comment, $(p-2x)^2 = p^2-4px+4x^2$, which results in
$$4x^2 - 4(p-1)x+(p^2-9) = 0,$$
or
$$x = frac{(p-1)pmsqrt{10-2p}}{2}.$$
For two real distinct roots, $10-2p > 0 implies color{red}{p < 5}$.



Also, $p ge 2x$ implies $$(p-1)pmsqrt{10-2p} le p implies sqrt{10-2p}le 1 implies color{red}{p ge frac{9}{2}}.$$



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  • Finally someone answered! So the $pge 2x$ was needed after all? I still don't understand why I didn't do the case where $ple 2x$, could you clear that up in a comment here?
    – Aleksa
    Nov 15 at 19:12






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    @Aleksa The square root, $sqrt{9-4x}$, is always non-negative. That is why $p-2x ge 0$. For example, $sqrt{9-4x}=-3$ does not have a real solution.
    – Math Lover
    Nov 15 at 19:18















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As already pointed out in a comment, $(p-2x)^2 = p^2-4px+4x^2$, which results in
$$4x^2 - 4(p-1)x+(p^2-9) = 0,$$
or
$$x = frac{(p-1)pmsqrt{10-2p}}{2}.$$
For two real distinct roots, $10-2p > 0 implies color{red}{p < 5}$.



Also, $p ge 2x$ implies $$(p-1)pmsqrt{10-2p} le p implies sqrt{10-2p}le 1 implies color{red}{p ge frac{9}{2}}.$$



Note that






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  • Finally someone answered! So the $pge 2x$ was needed after all? I still don't understand why I didn't do the case where $ple 2x$, could you clear that up in a comment here?
    – Aleksa
    Nov 15 at 19:12






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    @Aleksa The square root, $sqrt{9-4x}$, is always non-negative. That is why $p-2x ge 0$. For example, $sqrt{9-4x}=-3$ does not have a real solution.
    – Math Lover
    Nov 15 at 19:18













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As already pointed out in a comment, $(p-2x)^2 = p^2-4px+4x^2$, which results in
$$4x^2 - 4(p-1)x+(p^2-9) = 0,$$
or
$$x = frac{(p-1)pmsqrt{10-2p}}{2}.$$
For two real distinct roots, $10-2p > 0 implies color{red}{p < 5}$.



Also, $p ge 2x$ implies $$(p-1)pmsqrt{10-2p} le p implies sqrt{10-2p}le 1 implies color{red}{p ge frac{9}{2}}.$$



Note that






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As already pointed out in a comment, $(p-2x)^2 = p^2-4px+4x^2$, which results in
$$4x^2 - 4(p-1)x+(p^2-9) = 0,$$
or
$$x = frac{(p-1)pmsqrt{10-2p}}{2}.$$
For two real distinct roots, $10-2p > 0 implies color{red}{p < 5}$.



Also, $p ge 2x$ implies $$(p-1)pmsqrt{10-2p} le p implies sqrt{10-2p}le 1 implies color{red}{p ge frac{9}{2}}.$$



Note that







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  • Finally someone answered! So the $pge 2x$ was needed after all? I still don't understand why I didn't do the case where $ple 2x$, could you clear that up in a comment here?
    – Aleksa
    Nov 15 at 19:12






  • 1




    @Aleksa The square root, $sqrt{9-4x}$, is always non-negative. That is why $p-2x ge 0$. For example, $sqrt{9-4x}=-3$ does not have a real solution.
    – Math Lover
    Nov 15 at 19:18


















  • Finally someone answered! So the $pge 2x$ was needed after all? I still don't understand why I didn't do the case where $ple 2x$, could you clear that up in a comment here?
    – Aleksa
    Nov 15 at 19:12






  • 1




    @Aleksa The square root, $sqrt{9-4x}$, is always non-negative. That is why $p-2x ge 0$. For example, $sqrt{9-4x}=-3$ does not have a real solution.
    – Math Lover
    Nov 15 at 19:18
















Finally someone answered! So the $pge 2x$ was needed after all? I still don't understand why I didn't do the case where $ple 2x$, could you clear that up in a comment here?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 19:12




Finally someone answered! So the $pge 2x$ was needed after all? I still don't understand why I didn't do the case where $ple 2x$, could you clear that up in a comment here?
– Aleksa
Nov 15 at 19:12




1




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@Aleksa The square root, $sqrt{9-4x}$, is always non-negative. That is why $p-2x ge 0$. For example, $sqrt{9-4x}=-3$ does not have a real solution.
– Math Lover
Nov 15 at 19:18




@Aleksa The square root, $sqrt{9-4x}$, is always non-negative. That is why $p-2x ge 0$. For example, $sqrt{9-4x}=-3$ does not have a real solution.
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