Are these 'French children held at gun point'?
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I've come across this post on facebook several times now. The video shows a group of young people kneeling on the ground with police around them. The text attached is as follows:
School children in France held at gun-point for peacefully protesting outside their school.
The Centrist paradise that we were told Macron would provide seems not to be coming true.
Let me reiterate these are School children and not Adults.
Are these people actually being 'held at gun-point' for peacefully protesting in France?
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I've come across this post on facebook several times now. The video shows a group of young people kneeling on the ground with police around them. The text attached is as follows:
School children in France held at gun-point for peacefully protesting outside their school.
The Centrist paradise that we were told Macron would provide seems not to be coming true.
Let me reiterate these are School children and not Adults.
Are these people actually being 'held at gun-point' for peacefully protesting in France?
Links to other versions I've found:
Twitter
The telegraph
france police
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Lio Elbammalf
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up vote
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I've come across this post on facebook several times now. The video shows a group of young people kneeling on the ground with police around them. The text attached is as follows:
School children in France held at gun-point for peacefully protesting outside their school.
The Centrist paradise that we were told Macron would provide seems not to be coming true.
Let me reiterate these are School children and not Adults.
Are these people actually being 'held at gun-point' for peacefully protesting in France?
Links to other versions I've found:
Twitter
The telegraph
france police
asked 20 hours ago
Lio Elbammalf
39229
I've come across this post on facebook several times now. The video shows a group of young people kneeling on the ground with police around them. The text attached is as follows:
School children in France held at gun-point for peacefully protesting outside their school.
The Centrist paradise that we were told Macron would provide seems not to be coming true.
Let me reiterate these are School children and not Adults.
Are these people actually being 'held at gun-point' for peacefully protesting in France?
Links to other versions I've found:
Twitter
The telegraph
france police
france police
asked 20 hours ago
Lio Elbammalf
39229
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Lio Elbammalf
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Are they being held? Yes. The Telegraph article you quote has the key facts. This article in Le Monde (Google Translate) has more details.
Are they children? The Le Monde article says they were students at the Lycée Jean-Rostand. In France a lycée is for students aged from 15 to 18. So yes they are likely to be mostly minors, but still older than the word "children" generally implies.
At gun point? Only by stretching the definition to breaking point. The Telegraph describes the police as "armed", but the videos do not seem to show any drawn guns. Some of the police are holding batons, but that seems to be the limit of the threat. Municipal police in France do not routinely carry guns, but they can do and it would not be surprising if they did so when facing rioters.
For peacefully protesting? No. The following is from the Google Translate of the Le Monde article:
The escalation of violence continued the next day. The gathering of some 300 students in front of the Lycée Jean-Rostand quickly degenerated with "barricades fires" followed by "throwing rocks and pebbles on the police," says the same witness . In parallel, a small group entered the surrounding homes to steal a dozen bottles of gas, which would have been thrown into a trash. "But, fortunately, they did not explode," says the inhabitant, who saw the young people then heading to Val-Fourré.
The following day the students attempted to demonstrate again, but this time the police were ready for them and arrested everyone present. That is when this video was shot.
answered 19 hours ago
Paul Johnson
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You might add another question: Are they school children? And the question would be: Technically yes, because they are underage. But students at French lycées are typically between 15 and 18 years old, so referring to them as "school children" evokes an inappropriate and potentially misleading age bracket. Or is that only me?
– Schmuddi
17 hours ago
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Municipal police were not involved in this incident, and in general, are never involved in such operations. As a matter of fact, the municipal police is not even allowed to take anyone into custody, such an action being reserved to an 'officier de police judiciaire' (either national police, or 'gendarmerie').
– Maxime
14 hours ago
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If it says 'Police', then it's the 'Police Nationale'. In this particular case, several outfits are marked CSI 78, which stands for 'Compagnie de sécurisation et d'intervention', a specialized riot control corps within the police, for Paris and close suburbs. The '78' indicates these men belong in the Yvelines departement (#78) In the field, Gendarmerie men wear Gendarmerie outfit (example here: ouest-france.fr/normandie/…)
– Maxime
13 hours ago
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"The following day the students attempted to demonstrate again, but this time the police were ready for them and arrested everyone present. That is when this video was shot." Implies they were indeed arrested for protesting peacefully. Unless the police were able to positively identify everyone, which feels unlikely
– Richard Tingle
9 hours ago
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@Paul This is not "Municipal Police" !
– JB.
8 hours ago
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Are they being held? Yes. The Telegraph article you quote has the key facts. This article in Le Monde (Google Translate) has more details.
Are they children? The Le Monde article says they were students at the Lycée Jean-Rostand. In France a lycée is for students aged from 15 to 18. So yes they are likely to be mostly minors, but still older than the word "children" generally implies.
At gun point? Only by stretching the definition to breaking point. The Telegraph describes the police as "armed", but the videos do not seem to show any drawn guns. Some of the police are holding batons, but that seems to be the limit of the threat. Municipal police in France do not routinely carry guns, but they can do and it would not be surprising if they did so when facing rioters.
For peacefully protesting? No. The following is from the Google Translate of the Le Monde article:
The escalation of violence continued the next day. The gathering of some 300 students in front of the Lycée Jean-Rostand quickly degenerated with "barricades fires" followed by "throwing rocks and pebbles on the police," says the same witness . In parallel, a small group entered the surrounding homes to steal a dozen bottles of gas, which would have been thrown into a trash. "But, fortunately, they did not explode," says the inhabitant, who saw the young people then heading to Val-Fourré.
The following day the students attempted to demonstrate again, but this time the police were ready for them and arrested everyone present. That is when this video was shot.
answered 19 hours ago
Paul Johnson
6,42341939
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You might add another question: Are they school children? And the question would be: Technically yes, because they are underage. But students at French lycées are typically between 15 and 18 years old, so referring to them as "school children" evokes an inappropriate and potentially misleading age bracket. Or is that only me?
– Schmuddi
17 hours ago
2
Municipal police were not involved in this incident, and in general, are never involved in such operations. As a matter of fact, the municipal police is not even allowed to take anyone into custody, such an action being reserved to an 'officier de police judiciaire' (either national police, or 'gendarmerie').
– Maxime
14 hours ago
4
If it says 'Police', then it's the 'Police Nationale'. In this particular case, several outfits are marked CSI 78, which stands for 'Compagnie de sécurisation et d'intervention', a specialized riot control corps within the police, for Paris and close suburbs. The '78' indicates these men belong in the Yvelines departement (#78) In the field, Gendarmerie men wear Gendarmerie outfit (example here: ouest-france.fr/normandie/…)
– Maxime
13 hours ago
2
"The following day the students attempted to demonstrate again, but this time the police were ready for them and arrested everyone present. That is when this video was shot." Implies they were indeed arrested for protesting peacefully. Unless the police were able to positively identify everyone, which feels unlikely
– Richard Tingle
9 hours ago
2
@Paul This is not "Municipal Police" !
– JB.
8 hours ago
|
show 6 more comments
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Are they being held? Yes. The Telegraph article you quote has the key facts. This article in Le Monde (Google Translate) has more details.
Are they children? The Le Monde article says they were students at the Lycée Jean-Rostand. In France a lycée is for students aged from 15 to 18. So yes they are likely to be mostly minors, but still older than the word "children" generally implies.
At gun point? Only by stretching the definition to breaking point. The Telegraph describes the police as "armed", but the videos do not seem to show any drawn guns. Some of the police are holding batons, but that seems to be the limit of the threat. Municipal police in France do not routinely carry guns, but they can do and it would not be surprising if they did so when facing rioters.
For peacefully protesting? No. The following is from the Google Translate of the Le Monde article:
The escalation of violence continued the next day. The gathering of some 300 students in front of the Lycée Jean-Rostand quickly degenerated with "barricades fires" followed by "throwing rocks and pebbles on the police," says the same witness . In parallel, a small group entered the surrounding homes to steal a dozen bottles of gas, which would have been thrown into a trash. "But, fortunately, they did not explode," says the inhabitant, who saw the young people then heading to Val-Fourré.
The following day the students attempted to demonstrate again, but this time the police were ready for them and arrested everyone present. That is when this video was shot.
answered 19 hours ago
Paul Johnson
6,42341939
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You might add another question: Are they school children? And the question would be: Technically yes, because they are underage. But students at French lycées are typically between 15 and 18 years old, so referring to them as "school children" evokes an inappropriate and potentially misleading age bracket. Or is that only me?
– Schmuddi
17 hours ago
2
Municipal police were not involved in this incident, and in general, are never involved in such operations. As a matter of fact, the municipal police is not even allowed to take anyone into custody, such an action being reserved to an 'officier de police judiciaire' (either national police, or 'gendarmerie').
– Maxime
14 hours ago
4
If it says 'Police', then it's the 'Police Nationale'. In this particular case, several outfits are marked CSI 78, which stands for 'Compagnie de sécurisation et d'intervention', a specialized riot control corps within the police, for Paris and close suburbs. The '78' indicates these men belong in the Yvelines departement (#78) In the field, Gendarmerie men wear Gendarmerie outfit (example here: ouest-france.fr/normandie/…)
– Maxime
13 hours ago
2
"The following day the students attempted to demonstrate again, but this time the police were ready for them and arrested everyone present. That is when this video was shot." Implies they were indeed arrested for protesting peacefully. Unless the police were able to positively identify everyone, which feels unlikely
– Richard Tingle
9 hours ago
2
@Paul This is not "Municipal Police" !
– JB.
8 hours ago
|
show 6 more comments
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up vote
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Are they being held? Yes. The Telegraph article you quote has the key facts. This article in Le Monde (Google Translate) has more details.
Are they children? The Le Monde article says they were students at the Lycée Jean-Rostand. In France a lycée is for students aged from 15 to 18. So yes they are likely to be mostly minors, but still older than the word "children" generally implies.
At gun point? Only by stretching the definition to breaking point. The Telegraph describes the police as "armed", but the videos do not seem to show any drawn guns. Some of the police are holding batons, but that seems to be the limit of the threat. Municipal police in France do not routinely carry guns, but they can do and it would not be surprising if they did so when facing rioters.
For peacefully protesting? No. The following is from the Google Translate of the Le Monde article:
The escalation of violence continued the next day. The gathering of some 300 students in front of the Lycée Jean-Rostand quickly degenerated with "barricades fires" followed by "throwing rocks and pebbles on the police," says the same witness . In parallel, a small group entered the surrounding homes to steal a dozen bottles of gas, which would have been thrown into a trash. "But, fortunately, they did not explode," says the inhabitant, who saw the young people then heading to Val-Fourré.
The following day the students attempted to demonstrate again, but this time the police were ready for them and arrested everyone present. That is when this video was shot.
answered 19 hours ago
Paul Johnson
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Are they being held? Yes. The Telegraph article you quote has the key facts. This article in Le Monde (Google Translate) has more details.
Are they children? The Le Monde article says they were students at the Lycée Jean-Rostand. In France a lycée is for students aged from 15 to 18. So yes they are likely to be mostly minors, but still older than the word "children" generally implies.
At gun point? Only by stretching the definition to breaking point. The Telegraph describes the police as "armed", but the videos do not seem to show any drawn guns. Some of the police are holding batons, but that seems to be the limit of the threat. Municipal police in France do not routinely carry guns, but they can do and it would not be surprising if they did so when facing rioters.
For peacefully protesting? No. The following is from the Google Translate of the Le Monde article:
The escalation of violence continued the next day. The gathering of some 300 students in front of the Lycée Jean-Rostand quickly degenerated with "barricades fires" followed by "throwing rocks and pebbles on the police," says the same witness . In parallel, a small group entered the surrounding homes to steal a dozen bottles of gas, which would have been thrown into a trash. "But, fortunately, they did not explode," says the inhabitant, who saw the young people then heading to Val-Fourré.
The following day the students attempted to demonstrate again, but this time the police were ready for them and arrested everyone present. That is when this video was shot.
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You might add another question: Are they school children? And the question would be: Technically yes, because they are underage. But students at French lycées are typically between 15 and 18 years old, so referring to them as "school children" evokes an inappropriate and potentially misleading age bracket. Or is that only me?
– Schmuddi
17 hours ago
2
Municipal police were not involved in this incident, and in general, are never involved in such operations. As a matter of fact, the municipal police is not even allowed to take anyone into custody, such an action being reserved to an 'officier de police judiciaire' (either national police, or 'gendarmerie').
– Maxime
14 hours ago
4
If it says 'Police', then it's the 'Police Nationale'. In this particular case, several outfits are marked CSI 78, which stands for 'Compagnie de sécurisation et d'intervention', a specialized riot control corps within the police, for Paris and close suburbs. The '78' indicates these men belong in the Yvelines departement (#78) In the field, Gendarmerie men wear Gendarmerie outfit (example here: ouest-france.fr/normandie/…)
– Maxime
13 hours ago
2
"The following day the students attempted to demonstrate again, but this time the police were ready for them and arrested everyone present. That is when this video was shot." Implies they were indeed arrested for protesting peacefully. Unless the police were able to positively identify everyone, which feels unlikely
– Richard Tingle
9 hours ago
2
@Paul This is not "Municipal Police" !
– JB.
8 hours ago
|
show 6 more comments
10
You might add another question: Are they school children? And the question would be: Technically yes, because they are underage. But students at French lycées are typically between 15 and 18 years old, so referring to them as "school children" evokes an inappropriate and potentially misleading age bracket. Or is that only me?
– Schmuddi
17 hours ago
2
Municipal police were not involved in this incident, and in general, are never involved in such operations. As a matter of fact, the municipal police is not even allowed to take anyone into custody, such an action being reserved to an 'officier de police judiciaire' (either national police, or 'gendarmerie').
– Maxime
14 hours ago
4
If it says 'Police', then it's the 'Police Nationale'. In this particular case, several outfits are marked CSI 78, which stands for 'Compagnie de sécurisation et d'intervention', a specialized riot control corps within the police, for Paris and close suburbs. The '78' indicates these men belong in the Yvelines departement (#78) In the field, Gendarmerie men wear Gendarmerie outfit (example here: ouest-france.fr/normandie/…)
– Maxime
13 hours ago
2
"The following day the students attempted to demonstrate again, but this time the police were ready for them and arrested everyone present. That is when this video was shot." Implies they were indeed arrested for protesting peacefully. Unless the police were able to positively identify everyone, which feels unlikely
– Richard Tingle
9 hours ago
2
@Paul This is not "Municipal Police" !
– JB.
8 hours ago
10
10
You might add another question: Are they school children? And the question would be: Technically yes, because they are underage. But students at French lycées are typically between 15 and 18 years old, so referring to them as "school children" evokes an inappropriate and potentially misleading age bracket. Or is that only me?
– Schmuddi
17 hours ago
You might add another question: Are they school children? And the question would be: Technically yes, because they are underage. But students at French lycées are typically between 15 and 18 years old, so referring to them as "school children" evokes an inappropriate and potentially misleading age bracket. Or is that only me?
– Schmuddi
17 hours ago
2
2
Municipal police were not involved in this incident, and in general, are never involved in such operations. As a matter of fact, the municipal police is not even allowed to take anyone into custody, such an action being reserved to an 'officier de police judiciaire' (either national police, or 'gendarmerie').
– Maxime
14 hours ago
Municipal police were not involved in this incident, and in general, are never involved in such operations. As a matter of fact, the municipal police is not even allowed to take anyone into custody, such an action being reserved to an 'officier de police judiciaire' (either national police, or 'gendarmerie').
– Maxime
14 hours ago
4
4
If it says 'Police', then it's the 'Police Nationale'. In this particular case, several outfits are marked CSI 78, which stands for 'Compagnie de sécurisation et d'intervention', a specialized riot control corps within the police, for Paris and close suburbs. The '78' indicates these men belong in the Yvelines departement (#78) In the field, Gendarmerie men wear Gendarmerie outfit (example here: ouest-france.fr/normandie/…)
– Maxime
13 hours ago
If it says 'Police', then it's the 'Police Nationale'. In this particular case, several outfits are marked CSI 78, which stands for 'Compagnie de sécurisation et d'intervention', a specialized riot control corps within the police, for Paris and close suburbs. The '78' indicates these men belong in the Yvelines departement (#78) In the field, Gendarmerie men wear Gendarmerie outfit (example here: ouest-france.fr/normandie/…)
– Maxime
13 hours ago
2
2
"The following day the students attempted to demonstrate again, but this time the police were ready for them and arrested everyone present. That is when this video was shot." Implies they were indeed arrested for protesting peacefully. Unless the police were able to positively identify everyone, which feels unlikely
– Richard Tingle
9 hours ago
"The following day the students attempted to demonstrate again, but this time the police were ready for them and arrested everyone present. That is when this video was shot." Implies they were indeed arrested for protesting peacefully. Unless the police were able to positively identify everyone, which feels unlikely
– Richard Tingle
9 hours ago
2
2
@Paul This is not "Municipal Police" !
– JB.
8 hours ago
@Paul This is not "Municipal Police" !
– JB.
8 hours ago
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