Sum of ${nsqrt{2}}$
I would like to prove (rigorously, not intuitively) that
$$sum_{n=1}^N {nsqrt{2}}=frac{N}{2}+mathcal{O}(sqrt{N})$$
where ${}$ is the "fractional part" function. I understand intuitively why this is true, and that's how I came up with this claim - ${nsqrt{2}}$ behaves like a random variable uniformly distributed in $(0,1)$, and treating it as a random variable makes the sum analogous to a random walk, and the $mathcal{O}(sqrt{N})$ bound can be shown using expected values.
However, just saying that ${nsqrt{2}}$ behaves "like a random variable" is highly non-rigorous. Can someone show me how to justify this in a more airtight way (ideally without using any theorems that require specialized background knowledge)?
Thanks!
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I would like to prove (rigorously, not intuitively) that
$$sum_{n=1}^N {nsqrt{2}}=frac{N}{2}+mathcal{O}(sqrt{N})$$
where ${}$ is the "fractional part" function. I understand intuitively why this is true, and that's how I came up with this claim - ${nsqrt{2}}$ behaves like a random variable uniformly distributed in $(0,1)$, and treating it as a random variable makes the sum analogous to a random walk, and the $mathcal{O}(sqrt{N})$ bound can be shown using expected values.
However, just saying that ${nsqrt{2}}$ behaves "like a random variable" is highly non-rigorous. Can someone show me how to justify this in a more airtight way (ideally without using any theorems that require specialized background knowledge)?
Thanks!
summation random-variables asymptotics irrational-numbers fractional-part
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I don't believe this is even true. Certainly the integer part of $nsqrt{2}$ is uniformly distributed, but the terms are not independent; I believe the error bound is more like $O(N/sqrt{log N})$.
– mjqxxxx
Nov 26 at 15:43
@mjqxxxx Really? I see what you mean about non-independence thwarting my prediction... but if anything, it seems like it should be tighter than $sqrt{N}$, since if ${nsqrt{2}}$ is less than $1/2$, then ${(n+1)sqrt{2}}$ is more likely to be greater than $1/2$, and vice versa, suggesting that it should "even out" to $1/2$ even more reliably than independent random variables.
– Frpzzd
Nov 26 at 15:47
@mjqxxxx Also, can you offer any (rigorous) methods for finding/proving a bound?
– Frpzzd
Nov 26 at 15:48
@frpzzd a bit of quick numerical work backs you up. I wouldn't be surprised if the error term is $O(1)$, although that may be overly optimistic.
– Michael Lugo
Nov 26 at 16:48
I don’t think that this can be done without specialized knowledge. You need to know about the nature of continued fraction expansion of $sqrt 2$.
– i707107
Nov 26 at 17:50
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I would like to prove (rigorously, not intuitively) that
$$sum_{n=1}^N {nsqrt{2}}=frac{N}{2}+mathcal{O}(sqrt{N})$$
where ${}$ is the "fractional part" function. I understand intuitively why this is true, and that's how I came up with this claim - ${nsqrt{2}}$ behaves like a random variable uniformly distributed in $(0,1)$, and treating it as a random variable makes the sum analogous to a random walk, and the $mathcal{O}(sqrt{N})$ bound can be shown using expected values.
However, just saying that ${nsqrt{2}}$ behaves "like a random variable" is highly non-rigorous. Can someone show me how to justify this in a more airtight way (ideally without using any theorems that require specialized background knowledge)?
Thanks!
summation random-variables asymptotics irrational-numbers fractional-part
I would like to prove (rigorously, not intuitively) that
$$sum_{n=1}^N {nsqrt{2}}=frac{N}{2}+mathcal{O}(sqrt{N})$$
where ${}$ is the "fractional part" function. I understand intuitively why this is true, and that's how I came up with this claim - ${nsqrt{2}}$ behaves like a random variable uniformly distributed in $(0,1)$, and treating it as a random variable makes the sum analogous to a random walk, and the $mathcal{O}(sqrt{N})$ bound can be shown using expected values.
However, just saying that ${nsqrt{2}}$ behaves "like a random variable" is highly non-rigorous. Can someone show me how to justify this in a more airtight way (ideally without using any theorems that require specialized background knowledge)?
Thanks!
summation random-variables asymptotics irrational-numbers fractional-part
summation random-variables asymptotics irrational-numbers fractional-part
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I don't believe this is even true. Certainly the integer part of $nsqrt{2}$ is uniformly distributed, but the terms are not independent; I believe the error bound is more like $O(N/sqrt{log N})$.
– mjqxxxx
Nov 26 at 15:43
@mjqxxxx Really? I see what you mean about non-independence thwarting my prediction... but if anything, it seems like it should be tighter than $sqrt{N}$, since if ${nsqrt{2}}$ is less than $1/2$, then ${(n+1)sqrt{2}}$ is more likely to be greater than $1/2$, and vice versa, suggesting that it should "even out" to $1/2$ even more reliably than independent random variables.
– Frpzzd
Nov 26 at 15:47
@mjqxxxx Also, can you offer any (rigorous) methods for finding/proving a bound?
– Frpzzd
Nov 26 at 15:48
@frpzzd a bit of quick numerical work backs you up. I wouldn't be surprised if the error term is $O(1)$, although that may be overly optimistic.
– Michael Lugo
Nov 26 at 16:48
I don’t think that this can be done without specialized knowledge. You need to know about the nature of continued fraction expansion of $sqrt 2$.
– i707107
Nov 26 at 17:50
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show 3 more comments
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I don't believe this is even true. Certainly the integer part of $nsqrt{2}$ is uniformly distributed, but the terms are not independent; I believe the error bound is more like $O(N/sqrt{log N})$.
– mjqxxxx
Nov 26 at 15:43
@mjqxxxx Really? I see what you mean about non-independence thwarting my prediction... but if anything, it seems like it should be tighter than $sqrt{N}$, since if ${nsqrt{2}}$ is less than $1/2$, then ${(n+1)sqrt{2}}$ is more likely to be greater than $1/2$, and vice versa, suggesting that it should "even out" to $1/2$ even more reliably than independent random variables.
– Frpzzd
Nov 26 at 15:47
@mjqxxxx Also, can you offer any (rigorous) methods for finding/proving a bound?
– Frpzzd
Nov 26 at 15:48
@frpzzd a bit of quick numerical work backs you up. I wouldn't be surprised if the error term is $O(1)$, although that may be overly optimistic.
– Michael Lugo
Nov 26 at 16:48
I don’t think that this can be done without specialized knowledge. You need to know about the nature of continued fraction expansion of $sqrt 2$.
– i707107
Nov 26 at 17:50
1
1
I don't believe this is even true. Certainly the integer part of $nsqrt{2}$ is uniformly distributed, but the terms are not independent; I believe the error bound is more like $O(N/sqrt{log N})$.
– mjqxxxx
Nov 26 at 15:43
I don't believe this is even true. Certainly the integer part of $nsqrt{2}$ is uniformly distributed, but the terms are not independent; I believe the error bound is more like $O(N/sqrt{log N})$.
– mjqxxxx
Nov 26 at 15:43
@mjqxxxx Really? I see what you mean about non-independence thwarting my prediction... but if anything, it seems like it should be tighter than $sqrt{N}$, since if ${nsqrt{2}}$ is less than $1/2$, then ${(n+1)sqrt{2}}$ is more likely to be greater than $1/2$, and vice versa, suggesting that it should "even out" to $1/2$ even more reliably than independent random variables.
– Frpzzd
Nov 26 at 15:47
@mjqxxxx Really? I see what you mean about non-independence thwarting my prediction... but if anything, it seems like it should be tighter than $sqrt{N}$, since if ${nsqrt{2}}$ is less than $1/2$, then ${(n+1)sqrt{2}}$ is more likely to be greater than $1/2$, and vice versa, suggesting that it should "even out" to $1/2$ even more reliably than independent random variables.
– Frpzzd
Nov 26 at 15:47
@mjqxxxx Also, can you offer any (rigorous) methods for finding/proving a bound?
– Frpzzd
Nov 26 at 15:48
@mjqxxxx Also, can you offer any (rigorous) methods for finding/proving a bound?
– Frpzzd
Nov 26 at 15:48
@frpzzd a bit of quick numerical work backs you up. I wouldn't be surprised if the error term is $O(1)$, although that may be overly optimistic.
– Michael Lugo
Nov 26 at 16:48
@frpzzd a bit of quick numerical work backs you up. I wouldn't be surprised if the error term is $O(1)$, although that may be overly optimistic.
– Michael Lugo
Nov 26 at 16:48
I don’t think that this can be done without specialized knowledge. You need to know about the nature of continued fraction expansion of $sqrt 2$.
– i707107
Nov 26 at 17:50
I don’t think that this can be done without specialized knowledge. You need to know about the nature of continued fraction expansion of $sqrt 2$.
– i707107
Nov 26 at 17:50
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Let $f$ be the function defined for a positive integer $N$ as follows:
$$
f(N)
=
sum_{1le nle N}{nsqrt 2} .
$$
We need a control of $f(N)-N/2$.
Here, i try to give arguments for the idea extracted from the following experimental computation:
Experiment:
We approximate $sqrt 2$ by using continued fractions, for such a fixed approximation,
$P/Q$ say, we compute $f(Q)$ and $f(Q)-Q/2$. For the first few values of $Q$...
def f(N):
return sum( [ RR(k*sqrt(2)).frac() for k in xrange(1, N+1) ] )
cf = continued_fraction( sqrt(2) )
# consider the first 15 "convergents" P/Q and compute f(Q) - Q/2 for them
for frac in cf.convergents()[:15]:
P, Q = frac.numerator(), frac.denominator()
print "sqrt(2) ~ %s :: Q = %s :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ %s" % ( frac, Q, f(Q)-Q/2 )
Results:
sqrt(2) ~ 1 :: Q = 1 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.0857864376269049
sqrt(2) ~ 3/2 :: Q = 2 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.242640687119285
sqrt(2) ~ 7/5 :: Q = 5 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.286796564403573
sqrt(2) ~ 17/12 :: Q = 12 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.308657865101423
sqrt(2) ~ 41/29 :: Q = 29 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.317100367703610
sqrt(2) ~ 99/70 :: Q = 70 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.320702497141440
sqrt(2) ~ 239/169 :: Q = 169 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.322176510488248
sqrt(2) ~ 577/408 :: Q = 408 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.322790161566445
sqrt(2) ~ 1393/985 :: Q = 985 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.323043813132131
sqrt(2) ~ 3363/2378 :: Q = 2378 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.323148970494003
sqrt(2) ~ 8119/5741 :: Q = 5741 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.323192510470562
sqrt(2) ~ 19601/13860 :: Q = 13860 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.323210559656218
sqrt(2) ~ 47321/33461 :: Q = 33461 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.323217967510573
sqrt(2) ~ 114243/80782 :: Q = 80782 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.323221431812271
sqrt(2) ~ 275807/195025 :: Q = 195025 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.323220559774200
So the difference is in these cases "surprisingly" in the interval $[-1,1]$.
The estimation:
Let us try to convert these observation into a proof.
Let $a$ be $sqrt 2-1$, so $ain(0,1/2)$.
(I need $a<1$ below.) We have ${nsqrt 2}={na}$.
Let $P/Q$ be a rational approximation of $a$, an irreducible fraction, namely one provided by the
continued fraction convergents of $a$, which form an "alternated sequence around $a$" $dots P/Q, P'/Q', P''/Q'',dots$,
and the difference between two consecutive convergents $P/Q$ and $P'/Q'$ is $pm 1/(QQ')$.
In particular, $Q,Q'$ are relatively prime.
We will also use in the following the "next convergent" $P'/Q'$.
Fix some natural $n$ with $0<n<Q$. So $nP/Q<n$ is not an integer. (If $Q|(nP)$, then $Q|n$.)
Assume now there is an integer between $na$ and $nP/Q$.
Then the same integer is in the bigger interval between $nP'/Q'$ and $nP/Q$, which is of length
$1/(QQ')<1/Q$. But from $nPQnotinBbb N$ to the next integer is a distance of at least $1/Q$.
Contradiction.
Our assumption is false.
So $na$ and $nP/Q$ have the same floor.
Then
$$
left{naright}
=
left{nfrac PQ+nleft(a-frac PQright)right}
$$
lies between the numbers
$$
left{nfrac PQright}pm underbrace{left{nleft(a-frac PQright)right}}_{<n/(QQ')} .
$$
Now let $n$ run in a set $S=S(Q)$ of $Q$ consecutive elements. Then
$$
begin{aligned}
sum_{substack{nin S(Q)\Qnot|n}} {na}
text{ lies between }
&sum_{substack{nin S(Q)\Qnot|n}} left{nfrac PQright}
pm sum_{substack{nin S(Q)\Qnot|n}}left{nleft(a-frac PQright)right}
\
text{ thus between }
&sum_{0<n<Q} frac nQ
pm frac 1{QQ'}sum_{nin S(Q)}{color{red}{n}}
\
=
&frac 12(Q-1)
pm frac 1{QQ'}sum_{nin S(Q)}{color{red}{n}}
.
end{aligned}
$$
(Later edit in red.)
This can now be converted to a proof for the stated result as follows.
I try to explain my feeling of a procedure using an example, $N=100000$ say.
Recall the following denominators "$Q$" of the convergents of $a=sqrt 2-1$:
$1$, $2$, $5$, $12$, $29$, $70$, $169$, $408$, $985$, $2378$, $5741$, $13860$, $33461$, $80782$, $195025$.
Using $Q=80782$ and $S(Q)=(N-Q,N]capBbb Z$ we obtain a deviation from $frac 12|S(Q)|$ which is less than (one plus)
$frac {N(N+1)/2}{QQ'}<frac{Q'Q'/2}{QQ'}<2$. (Here, $Q'/Qapprox sqrt 2+1$, which is the limit of the ration of two
consecutive convergents.)
Then for the "new N", which is $N-Q=19281$ we use the "new Q" $13860$. And so on.
Using this we get a deviation of $f(N)$ from $N/2$ which is of the shape $2log_{sqrt 2+1} N$.
(Have to submit, hope that the idea is clear, this was more important for me than to write things rigurous,
and possibly deflect from the idea.)
This approach is indeed the required arguments to prove Theorem 3.4 p125 of Kuiper Niederrater in my answer.
– i707107
Nov 27 at 20:19
@dan_fulea Wow, this is great. I tried to do something initially with continued fractions, but I couldn't make it all the way to your final result of $2log_{sqrt{2}+1} N$. Awesome!
– Frpzzd
Nov 29 at 14:30
@dan_fulea Where did $N(N+1)/2$ come from? Shouldn't the deviation from $frac{1}{2}|S(Q)|$ be under $1/Q'$, since $$frac{1}{QQ'}sum_{nin S(Q)} 1 =frac{1}{Q'}$$
– Frpzzd
Dec 1 at 14:52
Sorry, the initial message was typed in a hard days night. The sum is over $n$, not over one. I missed to insert it in the first post, now edited in red.
– dan_fulea
Dec 2 at 18:24
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Writing
begin{align}
&quad sum_{n=1}^N left( nsqrt{2} - lfloor nsqrt{2} rfloor right) \
&=int_1^N left( nsqrt{2} - lfloor nsqrt{2} rfloor right) {rm d}n + {cal O}(1) tag{1} \
&=frac{1}{sqrt{2}} int_sqrt{2}^{sqrt{2}N} left(x- lfloor x rfloor right) {rm d}x + {cal O}(1) \
&=frac{1}{sqrt{2}} Bigg( N^2 - 1 - Bigg[ frac{sqrt{2}N left(sqrt{2}N-1right)}{2} + frac{left{sqrt{2}Nright} left(1-left{sqrt{2}Nright}right)}{2} \
&quad - frac{sqrt{2} left(sqrt{2}-1right)}{2} - frac{left{sqrt{2}right} left(1-left{sqrt{2}right}right)}{2} Bigg] Bigg) + {cal O}(1) \
&=frac{N}{2} + {cal O}(1)
end{align}
where we used
$$
int_0^x lfloor t rfloor , {rm d}t = frac{x(x-1)}{2} + frac{left{xright}left(1-left{xright}right)}{2} , .
$$
The order follows from the fact that
$$
frac{left( sqrt{2}N - lfloor sqrt{2}N rfloor right) + left( sqrt{2} - lfloor sqrt{2} rfloor right)}{2} = {cal O}(1) tag{2}
$$
and
$$int_1^{N} left( nsqrt{2} - lfloor nsqrt{2} rfloor right)'' {rm d}n tag{3} \
= left( sqrt{2}n - lfloor sqrt{2}n rfloor right)'big|_{n=N} - left( sqrt{2}n - lfloor sqrt{2}n rfloor right)'big|_{n=1} \
=sqrt{2} sum_{k=-infty}^{infty}left[ deltaleft( sqrt{2} - k right) - deltaleft( sqrt{2}N - k right) right]
$$
but this requires Euler-Maclaurin.
Due to the harsh critic about my somewhat heuristic argument I want to correct my approach as far as possible.
Set $$f(x)=x-lfloor x rfloor$$ and $$f_n(x)=frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{pi} sum_{k=1}^n frac{sin(2pi k x)}{k} , ,$$such that
$$
lim_{nrightarrow infty} f_n(x) = f(x) , .
$$
Since $f_n$ is differentiable we can use Euler-Maclaurin to calculate the sum
$$
sum_{k=1}^N f_n(ak)
$$
with some $a$. The integral in (1) does not create much of an issue in the limit $n rightarrow infty$, since the limit is piecewise continuous and the integral can be splitted accordingly and then integrated. Also the limit of (2) is of ${cal O}(1)$. So the problematic term which needs to be examined is the remainder $R_2$ ((3) was very heuristic) which can be written as
$$
R_2=int_1^N B_2left(t-lfloor t rfloorright) frac{rm d}{{rm d}t} f_n'(at) , {rm d}t
$$
neglecting unnecessary constants and $B_2$ is the second Bernoulli polynomial. We can express
begin{align}
f_n'(at) &= 1-sum_{k=-n}^{n} {rm e}^{i2pi k at} = 1 - frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} \
B_2left(t-lfloor t rfloorright) &= left(t-lfloor t rfloorright)(left(t-lfloor t rfloor - 1right) + frac{1}{6} = lim_{M rightarrow infty} sum_{k=1}^M frac{cos(2pi kt)}{pi^2 k^2}
end{align}
and integrate by parts
$$
R_2=-B_2left(t-lfloor t rfloorright) frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} Bigg|_{1}^{N} - 2 sum_{k=1}^{M} int_1^N frac{sin(2pi kt)}{pi k} frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} , {rm d}t tag{4} , .
$$
For $a$ not an integer, the first term is bounded and ${cal O}(1)$ as $n rightarrow infty$. The integral can be viewed as a functional for $n rightarrow infty$ in which case the Dirichlet kernel acts as a periodic delta-distribution $sum_{m=-infty}^{infty} delta(at-m)$
$$
lim_{n rightarrow infty} int_1^N frac{sin(2pi kt)}{pi k} frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} , {rm d}t = sum_{m=lceil a rceil}^{lfloor Na rfloor} frac{sinleft(frac{2pi km}{a}right)}{pi k a} , .
$$
Evaluating
$$
sum_{m=lceil a rceil}^{lfloor Na rfloor} lim_{Mrightarrowinfty} -2sum_{k=1}^{M} frac{sinleft(frac{2pi km}{a}right)}{pi k a} = sum_{m=lceil a rceil}^{lfloor Na rfloor} frac{2{m/a}-1}{a} tag{5}
$$
and using $sum_{n=1}^{N}{an} = frac{N}{2} + {cal O}(?)$
this becomes ${cal o}(N)$. So it is actually true ${cal O}(1)$ does not follow.
We continue with the integral in (4) for $N$ integer
begin{align}
&quad -2sum_{k=1}^infty int_1^N frac{sin(2pi kt)}{pi k} frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} , {rm d}t \
&=-4sum_{m=1}^n sum_{k=1}^infty int_1^N frac{sin(2pi kt)cos(2pi m a t)}{pi k} , {rm d}t \
&=frac{4}{pi^2} sum_{m=1}^n sum_{k=1}^infty frac{cos^2(Npi m a)-cos^2(pi ma)}{k^2-m^2 a^2} \
&=2sum_{m=1}^n left[ frac{cos^2(Npi m a)-cos^2(pi ma)}{pi^2 m^2 a^2} - frac{cot(pi ma)left(cos^2(Npi ma) - cos^2(pi ma)right)}{pi ma} right]
end{align}
where $a$ must be an irrational number now. The first term is ${cal O}(1)$ for $nrightarrow infty$.
Any idea for the second?
It can be rewritten as
begin{align}
&quad , , sum_{m=1}^n frac{cot(pi ma)left(cos^2(Npi m a) - cos^2(pi ma)right)}{pi ma} \
&= sum_{m=1}^n frac{cot(pi ma)left(cos(N2pi ma) - cos(2pi ma)right)}{2pi ma} \
&= - sum_{m=1}^{n}cos(mpi a) , frac{sinleft((N+1)mpi aright)}{mpi a} , frac{sinleft((N-1)mpi aright)}{sin(mpi a)} \
&= - sum_{m=1}^{n} frac{sinleft((N+2)mpi aright)}{mpi a} , frac{sinleft((N-1)mpi aright)}{sin(mpi a)} + sum_{m=1}^n frac{ sinleft(N2pi maright) - sinleft(2pi maright) }{2pi ma}
end{align}
so the second sum is bounded again $forall N$ and $n rightarrow infty$.
Not sure if it helps, but I have the following two identities for the sines
$$
frac{sinleft((N-1)nxright)}{sin(nx)} = sum_{l=2}^N cosleft((N-l)nxright) cos^{l-2}(nx)
$$
and
$$
frac{sinleft((N-1)nxright)}{sin(nx)} = 1+2sum_{l=1}^{frac{N}{2}-1} cosleft(l2nxright) , ,
$$
but evaluating this feels as if I'm running in circles.
I added a Figure of the RHS of (5) up to $N=10^6$ which doesn't look anything like $log$, so either the numbers are just too small or I dont why it has to be $log$.
After the first equality sign things are relatively simple. Why do we have this control with $O(1)$ of the difference between the sum and the integral?
– dan_fulea
Nov 26 at 17:35
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It is quite unclear that using Euler-Maclaurin formula giving any useful information. The part with $O(1)$ needs much more information and it needs to be done very carefully.
– i707107
Nov 26 at 20:10
Fourier series approach seems promising. Maybe you can try starting with the error bound for $f_n -f$.
– i707107
Nov 27 at 17:55
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This is along the same line as another problem and my answer there: Determine whether $sum_{n=1}^infty frac {(-1)^n|sin(n)|}{n}$ converges
We need Koksma's inequality p. 143, Theorem 5.1 of 'Uniform Distribution of Sequences' by Kuipers and Niederreiter.
Theorem [Koksma]
Let $f$ be a function on $I=[0,1]$ of bounded variation $V(f)$, and suppose we are given $N$ points $x_1, ldots , x_N$ in $I$ with discrepancy
$$
D_N:=sup_{0leq aleq bleq 1} left|frac1N #{1leq nleq N: x_n in (a,b) } -(b-a)right|.
$$
Then
$$
left|frac1N sum_{nleq N} f(x_n) - int_I f(x)dx right|leq V(f)D_N.
$$
To control the discrepancy, We apply the following theorem, for the sequence $x_n = nalpha - lfloor n alpha rfloor$. Note that with $alpha = sqrt 2$, it has a bounded partial quotients in its continued fraction.
Theorem 3.4 of p125 in the Kuipers and Niederreiter's book, states that
If an irrational real $alpha$ has a bounded partial quotients, then the discrepancy $D_N$ satisfies
$$
N D_Nll log N.
$$
Then applying these to your problem with $f(x)=x$, we obtain
$$
biggvertfrac1N sum_{nleq N} { nsqrt 2} - int_0^1 x dxbiggvert ll frac{log N}N.
$$
Therefore, we have an estimate of
$$
sum_{nleq N} {nsqrt 2}=frac N2 + O(log N).
$$
To obtain a more precise estimate, we have $V(f)=1$ for $f(x)=x$. Also, p.143 Theorem 5.1 describes how $O(log N)$ term behaves. Using those, we have
$$
Biggvert sum_{nleq N} {nsqrt 2}-frac N2 Biggvert leq 3+left(frac1{log xi}+frac{2}{log 3}right)log N.
$$
Here we use $xi=frac{1+sqrt 5}2$ and the continued fraction partial quotients are bounded by $2$ (It is in fact $[1;2,2,2,ldots]$).
Do you know if the bound of Koksma is the best? It seems rather poor,or?
– Diger
Nov 30 at 11:05
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Let $f$ be the function defined for a positive integer $N$ as follows:
$$
f(N)
=
sum_{1le nle N}{nsqrt 2} .
$$
We need a control of $f(N)-N/2$.
Here, i try to give arguments for the idea extracted from the following experimental computation:
Experiment:
We approximate $sqrt 2$ by using continued fractions, for such a fixed approximation,
$P/Q$ say, we compute $f(Q)$ and $f(Q)-Q/2$. For the first few values of $Q$...
def f(N):
return sum( [ RR(k*sqrt(2)).frac() for k in xrange(1, N+1) ] )
cf = continued_fraction( sqrt(2) )
# consider the first 15 "convergents" P/Q and compute f(Q) - Q/2 for them
for frac in cf.convergents()[:15]:
P, Q = frac.numerator(), frac.denominator()
print "sqrt(2) ~ %s :: Q = %s :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ %s" % ( frac, Q, f(Q)-Q/2 )
Results:
sqrt(2) ~ 1 :: Q = 1 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.0857864376269049
sqrt(2) ~ 3/2 :: Q = 2 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.242640687119285
sqrt(2) ~ 7/5 :: Q = 5 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.286796564403573
sqrt(2) ~ 17/12 :: Q = 12 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.308657865101423
sqrt(2) ~ 41/29 :: Q = 29 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.317100367703610
sqrt(2) ~ 99/70 :: Q = 70 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.320702497141440
sqrt(2) ~ 239/169 :: Q = 169 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.322176510488248
sqrt(2) ~ 577/408 :: Q = 408 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.322790161566445
sqrt(2) ~ 1393/985 :: Q = 985 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.323043813132131
sqrt(2) ~ 3363/2378 :: Q = 2378 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.323148970494003
sqrt(2) ~ 8119/5741 :: Q = 5741 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.323192510470562
sqrt(2) ~ 19601/13860 :: Q = 13860 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.323210559656218
sqrt(2) ~ 47321/33461 :: Q = 33461 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.323217967510573
sqrt(2) ~ 114243/80782 :: Q = 80782 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.323221431812271
sqrt(2) ~ 275807/195025 :: Q = 195025 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.323220559774200
So the difference is in these cases "surprisingly" in the interval $[-1,1]$.
The estimation:
Let us try to convert these observation into a proof.
Let $a$ be $sqrt 2-1$, so $ain(0,1/2)$.
(I need $a<1$ below.) We have ${nsqrt 2}={na}$.
Let $P/Q$ be a rational approximation of $a$, an irreducible fraction, namely one provided by the
continued fraction convergents of $a$, which form an "alternated sequence around $a$" $dots P/Q, P'/Q', P''/Q'',dots$,
and the difference between two consecutive convergents $P/Q$ and $P'/Q'$ is $pm 1/(QQ')$.
In particular, $Q,Q'$ are relatively prime.
We will also use in the following the "next convergent" $P'/Q'$.
Fix some natural $n$ with $0<n<Q$. So $nP/Q<n$ is not an integer. (If $Q|(nP)$, then $Q|n$.)
Assume now there is an integer between $na$ and $nP/Q$.
Then the same integer is in the bigger interval between $nP'/Q'$ and $nP/Q$, which is of length
$1/(QQ')<1/Q$. But from $nPQnotinBbb N$ to the next integer is a distance of at least $1/Q$.
Contradiction.
Our assumption is false.
So $na$ and $nP/Q$ have the same floor.
Then
$$
left{naright}
=
left{nfrac PQ+nleft(a-frac PQright)right}
$$
lies between the numbers
$$
left{nfrac PQright}pm underbrace{left{nleft(a-frac PQright)right}}_{<n/(QQ')} .
$$
Now let $n$ run in a set $S=S(Q)$ of $Q$ consecutive elements. Then
$$
begin{aligned}
sum_{substack{nin S(Q)\Qnot|n}} {na}
text{ lies between }
&sum_{substack{nin S(Q)\Qnot|n}} left{nfrac PQright}
pm sum_{substack{nin S(Q)\Qnot|n}}left{nleft(a-frac PQright)right}
\
text{ thus between }
&sum_{0<n<Q} frac nQ
pm frac 1{QQ'}sum_{nin S(Q)}{color{red}{n}}
\
=
&frac 12(Q-1)
pm frac 1{QQ'}sum_{nin S(Q)}{color{red}{n}}
.
end{aligned}
$$
(Later edit in red.)
This can now be converted to a proof for the stated result as follows.
I try to explain my feeling of a procedure using an example, $N=100000$ say.
Recall the following denominators "$Q$" of the convergents of $a=sqrt 2-1$:
$1$, $2$, $5$, $12$, $29$, $70$, $169$, $408$, $985$, $2378$, $5741$, $13860$, $33461$, $80782$, $195025$.
Using $Q=80782$ and $S(Q)=(N-Q,N]capBbb Z$ we obtain a deviation from $frac 12|S(Q)|$ which is less than (one plus)
$frac {N(N+1)/2}{QQ'}<frac{Q'Q'/2}{QQ'}<2$. (Here, $Q'/Qapprox sqrt 2+1$, which is the limit of the ration of two
consecutive convergents.)
Then for the "new N", which is $N-Q=19281$ we use the "new Q" $13860$. And so on.
Using this we get a deviation of $f(N)$ from $N/2$ which is of the shape $2log_{sqrt 2+1} N$.
(Have to submit, hope that the idea is clear, this was more important for me than to write things rigurous,
and possibly deflect from the idea.)
This approach is indeed the required arguments to prove Theorem 3.4 p125 of Kuiper Niederrater in my answer.
– i707107
Nov 27 at 20:19
@dan_fulea Wow, this is great. I tried to do something initially with continued fractions, but I couldn't make it all the way to your final result of $2log_{sqrt{2}+1} N$. Awesome!
– Frpzzd
Nov 29 at 14:30
@dan_fulea Where did $N(N+1)/2$ come from? Shouldn't the deviation from $frac{1}{2}|S(Q)|$ be under $1/Q'$, since $$frac{1}{QQ'}sum_{nin S(Q)} 1 =frac{1}{Q'}$$
– Frpzzd
Dec 1 at 14:52
Sorry, the initial message was typed in a hard days night. The sum is over $n$, not over one. I missed to insert it in the first post, now edited in red.
– dan_fulea
Dec 2 at 18:24
add a comment |
Let $f$ be the function defined for a positive integer $N$ as follows:
$$
f(N)
=
sum_{1le nle N}{nsqrt 2} .
$$
We need a control of $f(N)-N/2$.
Here, i try to give arguments for the idea extracted from the following experimental computation:
Experiment:
We approximate $sqrt 2$ by using continued fractions, for such a fixed approximation,
$P/Q$ say, we compute $f(Q)$ and $f(Q)-Q/2$. For the first few values of $Q$...
def f(N):
return sum( [ RR(k*sqrt(2)).frac() for k in xrange(1, N+1) ] )
cf = continued_fraction( sqrt(2) )
# consider the first 15 "convergents" P/Q and compute f(Q) - Q/2 for them
for frac in cf.convergents()[:15]:
P, Q = frac.numerator(), frac.denominator()
print "sqrt(2) ~ %s :: Q = %s :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ %s" % ( frac, Q, f(Q)-Q/2 )
Results:
sqrt(2) ~ 1 :: Q = 1 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.0857864376269049
sqrt(2) ~ 3/2 :: Q = 2 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.242640687119285
sqrt(2) ~ 7/5 :: Q = 5 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.286796564403573
sqrt(2) ~ 17/12 :: Q = 12 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.308657865101423
sqrt(2) ~ 41/29 :: Q = 29 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.317100367703610
sqrt(2) ~ 99/70 :: Q = 70 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.320702497141440
sqrt(2) ~ 239/169 :: Q = 169 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.322176510488248
sqrt(2) ~ 577/408 :: Q = 408 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.322790161566445
sqrt(2) ~ 1393/985 :: Q = 985 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.323043813132131
sqrt(2) ~ 3363/2378 :: Q = 2378 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.323148970494003
sqrt(2) ~ 8119/5741 :: Q = 5741 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.323192510470562
sqrt(2) ~ 19601/13860 :: Q = 13860 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.323210559656218
sqrt(2) ~ 47321/33461 :: Q = 33461 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.323217967510573
sqrt(2) ~ 114243/80782 :: Q = 80782 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.323221431812271
sqrt(2) ~ 275807/195025 :: Q = 195025 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.323220559774200
So the difference is in these cases "surprisingly" in the interval $[-1,1]$.
The estimation:
Let us try to convert these observation into a proof.
Let $a$ be $sqrt 2-1$, so $ain(0,1/2)$.
(I need $a<1$ below.) We have ${nsqrt 2}={na}$.
Let $P/Q$ be a rational approximation of $a$, an irreducible fraction, namely one provided by the
continued fraction convergents of $a$, which form an "alternated sequence around $a$" $dots P/Q, P'/Q', P''/Q'',dots$,
and the difference between two consecutive convergents $P/Q$ and $P'/Q'$ is $pm 1/(QQ')$.
In particular, $Q,Q'$ are relatively prime.
We will also use in the following the "next convergent" $P'/Q'$.
Fix some natural $n$ with $0<n<Q$. So $nP/Q<n$ is not an integer. (If $Q|(nP)$, then $Q|n$.)
Assume now there is an integer between $na$ and $nP/Q$.
Then the same integer is in the bigger interval between $nP'/Q'$ and $nP/Q$, which is of length
$1/(QQ')<1/Q$. But from $nPQnotinBbb N$ to the next integer is a distance of at least $1/Q$.
Contradiction.
Our assumption is false.
So $na$ and $nP/Q$ have the same floor.
Then
$$
left{naright}
=
left{nfrac PQ+nleft(a-frac PQright)right}
$$
lies between the numbers
$$
left{nfrac PQright}pm underbrace{left{nleft(a-frac PQright)right}}_{<n/(QQ')} .
$$
Now let $n$ run in a set $S=S(Q)$ of $Q$ consecutive elements. Then
$$
begin{aligned}
sum_{substack{nin S(Q)\Qnot|n}} {na}
text{ lies between }
&sum_{substack{nin S(Q)\Qnot|n}} left{nfrac PQright}
pm sum_{substack{nin S(Q)\Qnot|n}}left{nleft(a-frac PQright)right}
\
text{ thus between }
&sum_{0<n<Q} frac nQ
pm frac 1{QQ'}sum_{nin S(Q)}{color{red}{n}}
\
=
&frac 12(Q-1)
pm frac 1{QQ'}sum_{nin S(Q)}{color{red}{n}}
.
end{aligned}
$$
(Later edit in red.)
This can now be converted to a proof for the stated result as follows.
I try to explain my feeling of a procedure using an example, $N=100000$ say.
Recall the following denominators "$Q$" of the convergents of $a=sqrt 2-1$:
$1$, $2$, $5$, $12$, $29$, $70$, $169$, $408$, $985$, $2378$, $5741$, $13860$, $33461$, $80782$, $195025$.
Using $Q=80782$ and $S(Q)=(N-Q,N]capBbb Z$ we obtain a deviation from $frac 12|S(Q)|$ which is less than (one plus)
$frac {N(N+1)/2}{QQ'}<frac{Q'Q'/2}{QQ'}<2$. (Here, $Q'/Qapprox sqrt 2+1$, which is the limit of the ration of two
consecutive convergents.)
Then for the "new N", which is $N-Q=19281$ we use the "new Q" $13860$. And so on.
Using this we get a deviation of $f(N)$ from $N/2$ which is of the shape $2log_{sqrt 2+1} N$.
(Have to submit, hope that the idea is clear, this was more important for me than to write things rigurous,
and possibly deflect from the idea.)
This approach is indeed the required arguments to prove Theorem 3.4 p125 of Kuiper Niederrater in my answer.
– i707107
Nov 27 at 20:19
@dan_fulea Wow, this is great. I tried to do something initially with continued fractions, but I couldn't make it all the way to your final result of $2log_{sqrt{2}+1} N$. Awesome!
– Frpzzd
Nov 29 at 14:30
@dan_fulea Where did $N(N+1)/2$ come from? Shouldn't the deviation from $frac{1}{2}|S(Q)|$ be under $1/Q'$, since $$frac{1}{QQ'}sum_{nin S(Q)} 1 =frac{1}{Q'}$$
– Frpzzd
Dec 1 at 14:52
Sorry, the initial message was typed in a hard days night. The sum is over $n$, not over one. I missed to insert it in the first post, now edited in red.
– dan_fulea
Dec 2 at 18:24
add a comment |
Let $f$ be the function defined for a positive integer $N$ as follows:
$$
f(N)
=
sum_{1le nle N}{nsqrt 2} .
$$
We need a control of $f(N)-N/2$.
Here, i try to give arguments for the idea extracted from the following experimental computation:
Experiment:
We approximate $sqrt 2$ by using continued fractions, for such a fixed approximation,
$P/Q$ say, we compute $f(Q)$ and $f(Q)-Q/2$. For the first few values of $Q$...
def f(N):
return sum( [ RR(k*sqrt(2)).frac() for k in xrange(1, N+1) ] )
cf = continued_fraction( sqrt(2) )
# consider the first 15 "convergents" P/Q and compute f(Q) - Q/2 for them
for frac in cf.convergents()[:15]:
P, Q = frac.numerator(), frac.denominator()
print "sqrt(2) ~ %s :: Q = %s :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ %s" % ( frac, Q, f(Q)-Q/2 )
Results:
sqrt(2) ~ 1 :: Q = 1 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.0857864376269049
sqrt(2) ~ 3/2 :: Q = 2 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.242640687119285
sqrt(2) ~ 7/5 :: Q = 5 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.286796564403573
sqrt(2) ~ 17/12 :: Q = 12 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.308657865101423
sqrt(2) ~ 41/29 :: Q = 29 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.317100367703610
sqrt(2) ~ 99/70 :: Q = 70 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.320702497141440
sqrt(2) ~ 239/169 :: Q = 169 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.322176510488248
sqrt(2) ~ 577/408 :: Q = 408 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.322790161566445
sqrt(2) ~ 1393/985 :: Q = 985 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.323043813132131
sqrt(2) ~ 3363/2378 :: Q = 2378 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.323148970494003
sqrt(2) ~ 8119/5741 :: Q = 5741 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.323192510470562
sqrt(2) ~ 19601/13860 :: Q = 13860 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.323210559656218
sqrt(2) ~ 47321/33461 :: Q = 33461 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.323217967510573
sqrt(2) ~ 114243/80782 :: Q = 80782 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.323221431812271
sqrt(2) ~ 275807/195025 :: Q = 195025 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.323220559774200
So the difference is in these cases "surprisingly" in the interval $[-1,1]$.
The estimation:
Let us try to convert these observation into a proof.
Let $a$ be $sqrt 2-1$, so $ain(0,1/2)$.
(I need $a<1$ below.) We have ${nsqrt 2}={na}$.
Let $P/Q$ be a rational approximation of $a$, an irreducible fraction, namely one provided by the
continued fraction convergents of $a$, which form an "alternated sequence around $a$" $dots P/Q, P'/Q', P''/Q'',dots$,
and the difference between two consecutive convergents $P/Q$ and $P'/Q'$ is $pm 1/(QQ')$.
In particular, $Q,Q'$ are relatively prime.
We will also use in the following the "next convergent" $P'/Q'$.
Fix some natural $n$ with $0<n<Q$. So $nP/Q<n$ is not an integer. (If $Q|(nP)$, then $Q|n$.)
Assume now there is an integer between $na$ and $nP/Q$.
Then the same integer is in the bigger interval between $nP'/Q'$ and $nP/Q$, which is of length
$1/(QQ')<1/Q$. But from $nPQnotinBbb N$ to the next integer is a distance of at least $1/Q$.
Contradiction.
Our assumption is false.
So $na$ and $nP/Q$ have the same floor.
Then
$$
left{naright}
=
left{nfrac PQ+nleft(a-frac PQright)right}
$$
lies between the numbers
$$
left{nfrac PQright}pm underbrace{left{nleft(a-frac PQright)right}}_{<n/(QQ')} .
$$
Now let $n$ run in a set $S=S(Q)$ of $Q$ consecutive elements. Then
$$
begin{aligned}
sum_{substack{nin S(Q)\Qnot|n}} {na}
text{ lies between }
&sum_{substack{nin S(Q)\Qnot|n}} left{nfrac PQright}
pm sum_{substack{nin S(Q)\Qnot|n}}left{nleft(a-frac PQright)right}
\
text{ thus between }
&sum_{0<n<Q} frac nQ
pm frac 1{QQ'}sum_{nin S(Q)}{color{red}{n}}
\
=
&frac 12(Q-1)
pm frac 1{QQ'}sum_{nin S(Q)}{color{red}{n}}
.
end{aligned}
$$
(Later edit in red.)
This can now be converted to a proof for the stated result as follows.
I try to explain my feeling of a procedure using an example, $N=100000$ say.
Recall the following denominators "$Q$" of the convergents of $a=sqrt 2-1$:
$1$, $2$, $5$, $12$, $29$, $70$, $169$, $408$, $985$, $2378$, $5741$, $13860$, $33461$, $80782$, $195025$.
Using $Q=80782$ and $S(Q)=(N-Q,N]capBbb Z$ we obtain a deviation from $frac 12|S(Q)|$ which is less than (one plus)
$frac {N(N+1)/2}{QQ'}<frac{Q'Q'/2}{QQ'}<2$. (Here, $Q'/Qapprox sqrt 2+1$, which is the limit of the ration of two
consecutive convergents.)
Then for the "new N", which is $N-Q=19281$ we use the "new Q" $13860$. And so on.
Using this we get a deviation of $f(N)$ from $N/2$ which is of the shape $2log_{sqrt 2+1} N$.
(Have to submit, hope that the idea is clear, this was more important for me than to write things rigurous,
and possibly deflect from the idea.)
Let $f$ be the function defined for a positive integer $N$ as follows:
$$
f(N)
=
sum_{1le nle N}{nsqrt 2} .
$$
We need a control of $f(N)-N/2$.
Here, i try to give arguments for the idea extracted from the following experimental computation:
Experiment:
We approximate $sqrt 2$ by using continued fractions, for such a fixed approximation,
$P/Q$ say, we compute $f(Q)$ and $f(Q)-Q/2$. For the first few values of $Q$...
def f(N):
return sum( [ RR(k*sqrt(2)).frac() for k in xrange(1, N+1) ] )
cf = continued_fraction( sqrt(2) )
# consider the first 15 "convergents" P/Q and compute f(Q) - Q/2 for them
for frac in cf.convergents()[:15]:
P, Q = frac.numerator(), frac.denominator()
print "sqrt(2) ~ %s :: Q = %s :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ %s" % ( frac, Q, f(Q)-Q/2 )
Results:
sqrt(2) ~ 1 :: Q = 1 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.0857864376269049
sqrt(2) ~ 3/2 :: Q = 2 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.242640687119285
sqrt(2) ~ 7/5 :: Q = 5 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.286796564403573
sqrt(2) ~ 17/12 :: Q = 12 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.308657865101423
sqrt(2) ~ 41/29 :: Q = 29 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.317100367703610
sqrt(2) ~ 99/70 :: Q = 70 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.320702497141440
sqrt(2) ~ 239/169 :: Q = 169 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.322176510488248
sqrt(2) ~ 577/408 :: Q = 408 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.322790161566445
sqrt(2) ~ 1393/985 :: Q = 985 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.323043813132131
sqrt(2) ~ 3363/2378 :: Q = 2378 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.323148970494003
sqrt(2) ~ 8119/5741 :: Q = 5741 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.323192510470562
sqrt(2) ~ 19601/13860 :: Q = 13860 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.323210559656218
sqrt(2) ~ 47321/33461 :: Q = 33461 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.323217967510573
sqrt(2) ~ 114243/80782 :: Q = 80782 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ 0.323221431812271
sqrt(2) ~ 275807/195025 :: Q = 195025 :: f(Q)-Q/2 ~ -0.323220559774200
So the difference is in these cases "surprisingly" in the interval $[-1,1]$.
The estimation:
Let us try to convert these observation into a proof.
Let $a$ be $sqrt 2-1$, so $ain(0,1/2)$.
(I need $a<1$ below.) We have ${nsqrt 2}={na}$.
Let $P/Q$ be a rational approximation of $a$, an irreducible fraction, namely one provided by the
continued fraction convergents of $a$, which form an "alternated sequence around $a$" $dots P/Q, P'/Q', P''/Q'',dots$,
and the difference between two consecutive convergents $P/Q$ and $P'/Q'$ is $pm 1/(QQ')$.
In particular, $Q,Q'$ are relatively prime.
We will also use in the following the "next convergent" $P'/Q'$.
Fix some natural $n$ with $0<n<Q$. So $nP/Q<n$ is not an integer. (If $Q|(nP)$, then $Q|n$.)
Assume now there is an integer between $na$ and $nP/Q$.
Then the same integer is in the bigger interval between $nP'/Q'$ and $nP/Q$, which is of length
$1/(QQ')<1/Q$. But from $nPQnotinBbb N$ to the next integer is a distance of at least $1/Q$.
Contradiction.
Our assumption is false.
So $na$ and $nP/Q$ have the same floor.
Then
$$
left{naright}
=
left{nfrac PQ+nleft(a-frac PQright)right}
$$
lies between the numbers
$$
left{nfrac PQright}pm underbrace{left{nleft(a-frac PQright)right}}_{<n/(QQ')} .
$$
Now let $n$ run in a set $S=S(Q)$ of $Q$ consecutive elements. Then
$$
begin{aligned}
sum_{substack{nin S(Q)\Qnot|n}} {na}
text{ lies between }
&sum_{substack{nin S(Q)\Qnot|n}} left{nfrac PQright}
pm sum_{substack{nin S(Q)\Qnot|n}}left{nleft(a-frac PQright)right}
\
text{ thus between }
&sum_{0<n<Q} frac nQ
pm frac 1{QQ'}sum_{nin S(Q)}{color{red}{n}}
\
=
&frac 12(Q-1)
pm frac 1{QQ'}sum_{nin S(Q)}{color{red}{n}}
.
end{aligned}
$$
(Later edit in red.)
This can now be converted to a proof for the stated result as follows.
I try to explain my feeling of a procedure using an example, $N=100000$ say.
Recall the following denominators "$Q$" of the convergents of $a=sqrt 2-1$:
$1$, $2$, $5$, $12$, $29$, $70$, $169$, $408$, $985$, $2378$, $5741$, $13860$, $33461$, $80782$, $195025$.
Using $Q=80782$ and $S(Q)=(N-Q,N]capBbb Z$ we obtain a deviation from $frac 12|S(Q)|$ which is less than (one plus)
$frac {N(N+1)/2}{QQ'}<frac{Q'Q'/2}{QQ'}<2$. (Here, $Q'/Qapprox sqrt 2+1$, which is the limit of the ration of two
consecutive convergents.)
Then for the "new N", which is $N-Q=19281$ we use the "new Q" $13860$. And so on.
Using this we get a deviation of $f(N)$ from $N/2$ which is of the shape $2log_{sqrt 2+1} N$.
(Have to submit, hope that the idea is clear, this was more important for me than to write things rigurous,
and possibly deflect from the idea.)
edited Dec 2 at 18:22
answered Nov 27 at 3:09
dan_fulea
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This approach is indeed the required arguments to prove Theorem 3.4 p125 of Kuiper Niederrater in my answer.
– i707107
Nov 27 at 20:19
@dan_fulea Wow, this is great. I tried to do something initially with continued fractions, but I couldn't make it all the way to your final result of $2log_{sqrt{2}+1} N$. Awesome!
– Frpzzd
Nov 29 at 14:30
@dan_fulea Where did $N(N+1)/2$ come from? Shouldn't the deviation from $frac{1}{2}|S(Q)|$ be under $1/Q'$, since $$frac{1}{QQ'}sum_{nin S(Q)} 1 =frac{1}{Q'}$$
– Frpzzd
Dec 1 at 14:52
Sorry, the initial message was typed in a hard days night. The sum is over $n$, not over one. I missed to insert it in the first post, now edited in red.
– dan_fulea
Dec 2 at 18:24
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This approach is indeed the required arguments to prove Theorem 3.4 p125 of Kuiper Niederrater in my answer.
– i707107
Nov 27 at 20:19
@dan_fulea Wow, this is great. I tried to do something initially with continued fractions, but I couldn't make it all the way to your final result of $2log_{sqrt{2}+1} N$. Awesome!
– Frpzzd
Nov 29 at 14:30
@dan_fulea Where did $N(N+1)/2$ come from? Shouldn't the deviation from $frac{1}{2}|S(Q)|$ be under $1/Q'$, since $$frac{1}{QQ'}sum_{nin S(Q)} 1 =frac{1}{Q'}$$
– Frpzzd
Dec 1 at 14:52
Sorry, the initial message was typed in a hard days night. The sum is over $n$, not over one. I missed to insert it in the first post, now edited in red.
– dan_fulea
Dec 2 at 18:24
This approach is indeed the required arguments to prove Theorem 3.4 p125 of Kuiper Niederrater in my answer.
– i707107
Nov 27 at 20:19
This approach is indeed the required arguments to prove Theorem 3.4 p125 of Kuiper Niederrater in my answer.
– i707107
Nov 27 at 20:19
@dan_fulea Wow, this is great. I tried to do something initially with continued fractions, but I couldn't make it all the way to your final result of $2log_{sqrt{2}+1} N$. Awesome!
– Frpzzd
Nov 29 at 14:30
@dan_fulea Wow, this is great. I tried to do something initially with continued fractions, but I couldn't make it all the way to your final result of $2log_{sqrt{2}+1} N$. Awesome!
– Frpzzd
Nov 29 at 14:30
@dan_fulea Where did $N(N+1)/2$ come from? Shouldn't the deviation from $frac{1}{2}|S(Q)|$ be under $1/Q'$, since $$frac{1}{QQ'}sum_{nin S(Q)} 1 =frac{1}{Q'}$$
– Frpzzd
Dec 1 at 14:52
@dan_fulea Where did $N(N+1)/2$ come from? Shouldn't the deviation from $frac{1}{2}|S(Q)|$ be under $1/Q'$, since $$frac{1}{QQ'}sum_{nin S(Q)} 1 =frac{1}{Q'}$$
– Frpzzd
Dec 1 at 14:52
Sorry, the initial message was typed in a hard days night. The sum is over $n$, not over one. I missed to insert it in the first post, now edited in red.
– dan_fulea
Dec 2 at 18:24
Sorry, the initial message was typed in a hard days night. The sum is over $n$, not over one. I missed to insert it in the first post, now edited in red.
– dan_fulea
Dec 2 at 18:24
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Writing
begin{align}
&quad sum_{n=1}^N left( nsqrt{2} - lfloor nsqrt{2} rfloor right) \
&=int_1^N left( nsqrt{2} - lfloor nsqrt{2} rfloor right) {rm d}n + {cal O}(1) tag{1} \
&=frac{1}{sqrt{2}} int_sqrt{2}^{sqrt{2}N} left(x- lfloor x rfloor right) {rm d}x + {cal O}(1) \
&=frac{1}{sqrt{2}} Bigg( N^2 - 1 - Bigg[ frac{sqrt{2}N left(sqrt{2}N-1right)}{2} + frac{left{sqrt{2}Nright} left(1-left{sqrt{2}Nright}right)}{2} \
&quad - frac{sqrt{2} left(sqrt{2}-1right)}{2} - frac{left{sqrt{2}right} left(1-left{sqrt{2}right}right)}{2} Bigg] Bigg) + {cal O}(1) \
&=frac{N}{2} + {cal O}(1)
end{align}
where we used
$$
int_0^x lfloor t rfloor , {rm d}t = frac{x(x-1)}{2} + frac{left{xright}left(1-left{xright}right)}{2} , .
$$
The order follows from the fact that
$$
frac{left( sqrt{2}N - lfloor sqrt{2}N rfloor right) + left( sqrt{2} - lfloor sqrt{2} rfloor right)}{2} = {cal O}(1) tag{2}
$$
and
$$int_1^{N} left( nsqrt{2} - lfloor nsqrt{2} rfloor right)'' {rm d}n tag{3} \
= left( sqrt{2}n - lfloor sqrt{2}n rfloor right)'big|_{n=N} - left( sqrt{2}n - lfloor sqrt{2}n rfloor right)'big|_{n=1} \
=sqrt{2} sum_{k=-infty}^{infty}left[ deltaleft( sqrt{2} - k right) - deltaleft( sqrt{2}N - k right) right]
$$
but this requires Euler-Maclaurin.
Due to the harsh critic about my somewhat heuristic argument I want to correct my approach as far as possible.
Set $$f(x)=x-lfloor x rfloor$$ and $$f_n(x)=frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{pi} sum_{k=1}^n frac{sin(2pi k x)}{k} , ,$$such that
$$
lim_{nrightarrow infty} f_n(x) = f(x) , .
$$
Since $f_n$ is differentiable we can use Euler-Maclaurin to calculate the sum
$$
sum_{k=1}^N f_n(ak)
$$
with some $a$. The integral in (1) does not create much of an issue in the limit $n rightarrow infty$, since the limit is piecewise continuous and the integral can be splitted accordingly and then integrated. Also the limit of (2) is of ${cal O}(1)$. So the problematic term which needs to be examined is the remainder $R_2$ ((3) was very heuristic) which can be written as
$$
R_2=int_1^N B_2left(t-lfloor t rfloorright) frac{rm d}{{rm d}t} f_n'(at) , {rm d}t
$$
neglecting unnecessary constants and $B_2$ is the second Bernoulli polynomial. We can express
begin{align}
f_n'(at) &= 1-sum_{k=-n}^{n} {rm e}^{i2pi k at} = 1 - frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} \
B_2left(t-lfloor t rfloorright) &= left(t-lfloor t rfloorright)(left(t-lfloor t rfloor - 1right) + frac{1}{6} = lim_{M rightarrow infty} sum_{k=1}^M frac{cos(2pi kt)}{pi^2 k^2}
end{align}
and integrate by parts
$$
R_2=-B_2left(t-lfloor t rfloorright) frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} Bigg|_{1}^{N} - 2 sum_{k=1}^{M} int_1^N frac{sin(2pi kt)}{pi k} frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} , {rm d}t tag{4} , .
$$
For $a$ not an integer, the first term is bounded and ${cal O}(1)$ as $n rightarrow infty$. The integral can be viewed as a functional for $n rightarrow infty$ in which case the Dirichlet kernel acts as a periodic delta-distribution $sum_{m=-infty}^{infty} delta(at-m)$
$$
lim_{n rightarrow infty} int_1^N frac{sin(2pi kt)}{pi k} frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} , {rm d}t = sum_{m=lceil a rceil}^{lfloor Na rfloor} frac{sinleft(frac{2pi km}{a}right)}{pi k a} , .
$$
Evaluating
$$
sum_{m=lceil a rceil}^{lfloor Na rfloor} lim_{Mrightarrowinfty} -2sum_{k=1}^{M} frac{sinleft(frac{2pi km}{a}right)}{pi k a} = sum_{m=lceil a rceil}^{lfloor Na rfloor} frac{2{m/a}-1}{a} tag{5}
$$
and using $sum_{n=1}^{N}{an} = frac{N}{2} + {cal O}(?)$
this becomes ${cal o}(N)$. So it is actually true ${cal O}(1)$ does not follow.
We continue with the integral in (4) for $N$ integer
begin{align}
&quad -2sum_{k=1}^infty int_1^N frac{sin(2pi kt)}{pi k} frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} , {rm d}t \
&=-4sum_{m=1}^n sum_{k=1}^infty int_1^N frac{sin(2pi kt)cos(2pi m a t)}{pi k} , {rm d}t \
&=frac{4}{pi^2} sum_{m=1}^n sum_{k=1}^infty frac{cos^2(Npi m a)-cos^2(pi ma)}{k^2-m^2 a^2} \
&=2sum_{m=1}^n left[ frac{cos^2(Npi m a)-cos^2(pi ma)}{pi^2 m^2 a^2} - frac{cot(pi ma)left(cos^2(Npi ma) - cos^2(pi ma)right)}{pi ma} right]
end{align}
where $a$ must be an irrational number now. The first term is ${cal O}(1)$ for $nrightarrow infty$.
Any idea for the second?
It can be rewritten as
begin{align}
&quad , , sum_{m=1}^n frac{cot(pi ma)left(cos^2(Npi m a) - cos^2(pi ma)right)}{pi ma} \
&= sum_{m=1}^n frac{cot(pi ma)left(cos(N2pi ma) - cos(2pi ma)right)}{2pi ma} \
&= - sum_{m=1}^{n}cos(mpi a) , frac{sinleft((N+1)mpi aright)}{mpi a} , frac{sinleft((N-1)mpi aright)}{sin(mpi a)} \
&= - sum_{m=1}^{n} frac{sinleft((N+2)mpi aright)}{mpi a} , frac{sinleft((N-1)mpi aright)}{sin(mpi a)} + sum_{m=1}^n frac{ sinleft(N2pi maright) - sinleft(2pi maright) }{2pi ma}
end{align}
so the second sum is bounded again $forall N$ and $n rightarrow infty$.
Not sure if it helps, but I have the following two identities for the sines
$$
frac{sinleft((N-1)nxright)}{sin(nx)} = sum_{l=2}^N cosleft((N-l)nxright) cos^{l-2}(nx)
$$
and
$$
frac{sinleft((N-1)nxright)}{sin(nx)} = 1+2sum_{l=1}^{frac{N}{2}-1} cosleft(l2nxright) , ,
$$
but evaluating this feels as if I'm running in circles.
I added a Figure of the RHS of (5) up to $N=10^6$ which doesn't look anything like $log$, so either the numbers are just too small or I dont why it has to be $log$.
After the first equality sign things are relatively simple. Why do we have this control with $O(1)$ of the difference between the sum and the integral?
– dan_fulea
Nov 26 at 17:35
1
It is quite unclear that using Euler-Maclaurin formula giving any useful information. The part with $O(1)$ needs much more information and it needs to be done very carefully.
– i707107
Nov 26 at 20:10
Fourier series approach seems promising. Maybe you can try starting with the error bound for $f_n -f$.
– i707107
Nov 27 at 17:55
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Writing
begin{align}
&quad sum_{n=1}^N left( nsqrt{2} - lfloor nsqrt{2} rfloor right) \
&=int_1^N left( nsqrt{2} - lfloor nsqrt{2} rfloor right) {rm d}n + {cal O}(1) tag{1} \
&=frac{1}{sqrt{2}} int_sqrt{2}^{sqrt{2}N} left(x- lfloor x rfloor right) {rm d}x + {cal O}(1) \
&=frac{1}{sqrt{2}} Bigg( N^2 - 1 - Bigg[ frac{sqrt{2}N left(sqrt{2}N-1right)}{2} + frac{left{sqrt{2}Nright} left(1-left{sqrt{2}Nright}right)}{2} \
&quad - frac{sqrt{2} left(sqrt{2}-1right)}{2} - frac{left{sqrt{2}right} left(1-left{sqrt{2}right}right)}{2} Bigg] Bigg) + {cal O}(1) \
&=frac{N}{2} + {cal O}(1)
end{align}
where we used
$$
int_0^x lfloor t rfloor , {rm d}t = frac{x(x-1)}{2} + frac{left{xright}left(1-left{xright}right)}{2} , .
$$
The order follows from the fact that
$$
frac{left( sqrt{2}N - lfloor sqrt{2}N rfloor right) + left( sqrt{2} - lfloor sqrt{2} rfloor right)}{2} = {cal O}(1) tag{2}
$$
and
$$int_1^{N} left( nsqrt{2} - lfloor nsqrt{2} rfloor right)'' {rm d}n tag{3} \
= left( sqrt{2}n - lfloor sqrt{2}n rfloor right)'big|_{n=N} - left( sqrt{2}n - lfloor sqrt{2}n rfloor right)'big|_{n=1} \
=sqrt{2} sum_{k=-infty}^{infty}left[ deltaleft( sqrt{2} - k right) - deltaleft( sqrt{2}N - k right) right]
$$
but this requires Euler-Maclaurin.
Due to the harsh critic about my somewhat heuristic argument I want to correct my approach as far as possible.
Set $$f(x)=x-lfloor x rfloor$$ and $$f_n(x)=frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{pi} sum_{k=1}^n frac{sin(2pi k x)}{k} , ,$$such that
$$
lim_{nrightarrow infty} f_n(x) = f(x) , .
$$
Since $f_n$ is differentiable we can use Euler-Maclaurin to calculate the sum
$$
sum_{k=1}^N f_n(ak)
$$
with some $a$. The integral in (1) does not create much of an issue in the limit $n rightarrow infty$, since the limit is piecewise continuous and the integral can be splitted accordingly and then integrated. Also the limit of (2) is of ${cal O}(1)$. So the problematic term which needs to be examined is the remainder $R_2$ ((3) was very heuristic) which can be written as
$$
R_2=int_1^N B_2left(t-lfloor t rfloorright) frac{rm d}{{rm d}t} f_n'(at) , {rm d}t
$$
neglecting unnecessary constants and $B_2$ is the second Bernoulli polynomial. We can express
begin{align}
f_n'(at) &= 1-sum_{k=-n}^{n} {rm e}^{i2pi k at} = 1 - frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} \
B_2left(t-lfloor t rfloorright) &= left(t-lfloor t rfloorright)(left(t-lfloor t rfloor - 1right) + frac{1}{6} = lim_{M rightarrow infty} sum_{k=1}^M frac{cos(2pi kt)}{pi^2 k^2}
end{align}
and integrate by parts
$$
R_2=-B_2left(t-lfloor t rfloorright) frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} Bigg|_{1}^{N} - 2 sum_{k=1}^{M} int_1^N frac{sin(2pi kt)}{pi k} frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} , {rm d}t tag{4} , .
$$
For $a$ not an integer, the first term is bounded and ${cal O}(1)$ as $n rightarrow infty$. The integral can be viewed as a functional for $n rightarrow infty$ in which case the Dirichlet kernel acts as a periodic delta-distribution $sum_{m=-infty}^{infty} delta(at-m)$
$$
lim_{n rightarrow infty} int_1^N frac{sin(2pi kt)}{pi k} frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} , {rm d}t = sum_{m=lceil a rceil}^{lfloor Na rfloor} frac{sinleft(frac{2pi km}{a}right)}{pi k a} , .
$$
Evaluating
$$
sum_{m=lceil a rceil}^{lfloor Na rfloor} lim_{Mrightarrowinfty} -2sum_{k=1}^{M} frac{sinleft(frac{2pi km}{a}right)}{pi k a} = sum_{m=lceil a rceil}^{lfloor Na rfloor} frac{2{m/a}-1}{a} tag{5}
$$
and using $sum_{n=1}^{N}{an} = frac{N}{2} + {cal O}(?)$
this becomes ${cal o}(N)$. So it is actually true ${cal O}(1)$ does not follow.
We continue with the integral in (4) for $N$ integer
begin{align}
&quad -2sum_{k=1}^infty int_1^N frac{sin(2pi kt)}{pi k} frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} , {rm d}t \
&=-4sum_{m=1}^n sum_{k=1}^infty int_1^N frac{sin(2pi kt)cos(2pi m a t)}{pi k} , {rm d}t \
&=frac{4}{pi^2} sum_{m=1}^n sum_{k=1}^infty frac{cos^2(Npi m a)-cos^2(pi ma)}{k^2-m^2 a^2} \
&=2sum_{m=1}^n left[ frac{cos^2(Npi m a)-cos^2(pi ma)}{pi^2 m^2 a^2} - frac{cot(pi ma)left(cos^2(Npi ma) - cos^2(pi ma)right)}{pi ma} right]
end{align}
where $a$ must be an irrational number now. The first term is ${cal O}(1)$ for $nrightarrow infty$.
Any idea for the second?
It can be rewritten as
begin{align}
&quad , , sum_{m=1}^n frac{cot(pi ma)left(cos^2(Npi m a) - cos^2(pi ma)right)}{pi ma} \
&= sum_{m=1}^n frac{cot(pi ma)left(cos(N2pi ma) - cos(2pi ma)right)}{2pi ma} \
&= - sum_{m=1}^{n}cos(mpi a) , frac{sinleft((N+1)mpi aright)}{mpi a} , frac{sinleft((N-1)mpi aright)}{sin(mpi a)} \
&= - sum_{m=1}^{n} frac{sinleft((N+2)mpi aright)}{mpi a} , frac{sinleft((N-1)mpi aright)}{sin(mpi a)} + sum_{m=1}^n frac{ sinleft(N2pi maright) - sinleft(2pi maright) }{2pi ma}
end{align}
so the second sum is bounded again $forall N$ and $n rightarrow infty$.
Not sure if it helps, but I have the following two identities for the sines
$$
frac{sinleft((N-1)nxright)}{sin(nx)} = sum_{l=2}^N cosleft((N-l)nxright) cos^{l-2}(nx)
$$
and
$$
frac{sinleft((N-1)nxright)}{sin(nx)} = 1+2sum_{l=1}^{frac{N}{2}-1} cosleft(l2nxright) , ,
$$
but evaluating this feels as if I'm running in circles.
I added a Figure of the RHS of (5) up to $N=10^6$ which doesn't look anything like $log$, so either the numbers are just too small or I dont why it has to be $log$.
After the first equality sign things are relatively simple. Why do we have this control with $O(1)$ of the difference between the sum and the integral?
– dan_fulea
Nov 26 at 17:35
1
It is quite unclear that using Euler-Maclaurin formula giving any useful information. The part with $O(1)$ needs much more information and it needs to be done very carefully.
– i707107
Nov 26 at 20:10
Fourier series approach seems promising. Maybe you can try starting with the error bound for $f_n -f$.
– i707107
Nov 27 at 17:55
add a comment |
Writing
begin{align}
&quad sum_{n=1}^N left( nsqrt{2} - lfloor nsqrt{2} rfloor right) \
&=int_1^N left( nsqrt{2} - lfloor nsqrt{2} rfloor right) {rm d}n + {cal O}(1) tag{1} \
&=frac{1}{sqrt{2}} int_sqrt{2}^{sqrt{2}N} left(x- lfloor x rfloor right) {rm d}x + {cal O}(1) \
&=frac{1}{sqrt{2}} Bigg( N^2 - 1 - Bigg[ frac{sqrt{2}N left(sqrt{2}N-1right)}{2} + frac{left{sqrt{2}Nright} left(1-left{sqrt{2}Nright}right)}{2} \
&quad - frac{sqrt{2} left(sqrt{2}-1right)}{2} - frac{left{sqrt{2}right} left(1-left{sqrt{2}right}right)}{2} Bigg] Bigg) + {cal O}(1) \
&=frac{N}{2} + {cal O}(1)
end{align}
where we used
$$
int_0^x lfloor t rfloor , {rm d}t = frac{x(x-1)}{2} + frac{left{xright}left(1-left{xright}right)}{2} , .
$$
The order follows from the fact that
$$
frac{left( sqrt{2}N - lfloor sqrt{2}N rfloor right) + left( sqrt{2} - lfloor sqrt{2} rfloor right)}{2} = {cal O}(1) tag{2}
$$
and
$$int_1^{N} left( nsqrt{2} - lfloor nsqrt{2} rfloor right)'' {rm d}n tag{3} \
= left( sqrt{2}n - lfloor sqrt{2}n rfloor right)'big|_{n=N} - left( sqrt{2}n - lfloor sqrt{2}n rfloor right)'big|_{n=1} \
=sqrt{2} sum_{k=-infty}^{infty}left[ deltaleft( sqrt{2} - k right) - deltaleft( sqrt{2}N - k right) right]
$$
but this requires Euler-Maclaurin.
Due to the harsh critic about my somewhat heuristic argument I want to correct my approach as far as possible.
Set $$f(x)=x-lfloor x rfloor$$ and $$f_n(x)=frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{pi} sum_{k=1}^n frac{sin(2pi k x)}{k} , ,$$such that
$$
lim_{nrightarrow infty} f_n(x) = f(x) , .
$$
Since $f_n$ is differentiable we can use Euler-Maclaurin to calculate the sum
$$
sum_{k=1}^N f_n(ak)
$$
with some $a$. The integral in (1) does not create much of an issue in the limit $n rightarrow infty$, since the limit is piecewise continuous and the integral can be splitted accordingly and then integrated. Also the limit of (2) is of ${cal O}(1)$. So the problematic term which needs to be examined is the remainder $R_2$ ((3) was very heuristic) which can be written as
$$
R_2=int_1^N B_2left(t-lfloor t rfloorright) frac{rm d}{{rm d}t} f_n'(at) , {rm d}t
$$
neglecting unnecessary constants and $B_2$ is the second Bernoulli polynomial. We can express
begin{align}
f_n'(at) &= 1-sum_{k=-n}^{n} {rm e}^{i2pi k at} = 1 - frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} \
B_2left(t-lfloor t rfloorright) &= left(t-lfloor t rfloorright)(left(t-lfloor t rfloor - 1right) + frac{1}{6} = lim_{M rightarrow infty} sum_{k=1}^M frac{cos(2pi kt)}{pi^2 k^2}
end{align}
and integrate by parts
$$
R_2=-B_2left(t-lfloor t rfloorright) frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} Bigg|_{1}^{N} - 2 sum_{k=1}^{M} int_1^N frac{sin(2pi kt)}{pi k} frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} , {rm d}t tag{4} , .
$$
For $a$ not an integer, the first term is bounded and ${cal O}(1)$ as $n rightarrow infty$. The integral can be viewed as a functional for $n rightarrow infty$ in which case the Dirichlet kernel acts as a periodic delta-distribution $sum_{m=-infty}^{infty} delta(at-m)$
$$
lim_{n rightarrow infty} int_1^N frac{sin(2pi kt)}{pi k} frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} , {rm d}t = sum_{m=lceil a rceil}^{lfloor Na rfloor} frac{sinleft(frac{2pi km}{a}right)}{pi k a} , .
$$
Evaluating
$$
sum_{m=lceil a rceil}^{lfloor Na rfloor} lim_{Mrightarrowinfty} -2sum_{k=1}^{M} frac{sinleft(frac{2pi km}{a}right)}{pi k a} = sum_{m=lceil a rceil}^{lfloor Na rfloor} frac{2{m/a}-1}{a} tag{5}
$$
and using $sum_{n=1}^{N}{an} = frac{N}{2} + {cal O}(?)$
this becomes ${cal o}(N)$. So it is actually true ${cal O}(1)$ does not follow.
We continue with the integral in (4) for $N$ integer
begin{align}
&quad -2sum_{k=1}^infty int_1^N frac{sin(2pi kt)}{pi k} frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} , {rm d}t \
&=-4sum_{m=1}^n sum_{k=1}^infty int_1^N frac{sin(2pi kt)cos(2pi m a t)}{pi k} , {rm d}t \
&=frac{4}{pi^2} sum_{m=1}^n sum_{k=1}^infty frac{cos^2(Npi m a)-cos^2(pi ma)}{k^2-m^2 a^2} \
&=2sum_{m=1}^n left[ frac{cos^2(Npi m a)-cos^2(pi ma)}{pi^2 m^2 a^2} - frac{cot(pi ma)left(cos^2(Npi ma) - cos^2(pi ma)right)}{pi ma} right]
end{align}
where $a$ must be an irrational number now. The first term is ${cal O}(1)$ for $nrightarrow infty$.
Any idea for the second?
It can be rewritten as
begin{align}
&quad , , sum_{m=1}^n frac{cot(pi ma)left(cos^2(Npi m a) - cos^2(pi ma)right)}{pi ma} \
&= sum_{m=1}^n frac{cot(pi ma)left(cos(N2pi ma) - cos(2pi ma)right)}{2pi ma} \
&= - sum_{m=1}^{n}cos(mpi a) , frac{sinleft((N+1)mpi aright)}{mpi a} , frac{sinleft((N-1)mpi aright)}{sin(mpi a)} \
&= - sum_{m=1}^{n} frac{sinleft((N+2)mpi aright)}{mpi a} , frac{sinleft((N-1)mpi aright)}{sin(mpi a)} + sum_{m=1}^n frac{ sinleft(N2pi maright) - sinleft(2pi maright) }{2pi ma}
end{align}
so the second sum is bounded again $forall N$ and $n rightarrow infty$.
Not sure if it helps, but I have the following two identities for the sines
$$
frac{sinleft((N-1)nxright)}{sin(nx)} = sum_{l=2}^N cosleft((N-l)nxright) cos^{l-2}(nx)
$$
and
$$
frac{sinleft((N-1)nxright)}{sin(nx)} = 1+2sum_{l=1}^{frac{N}{2}-1} cosleft(l2nxright) , ,
$$
but evaluating this feels as if I'm running in circles.
I added a Figure of the RHS of (5) up to $N=10^6$ which doesn't look anything like $log$, so either the numbers are just too small or I dont why it has to be $log$.
Writing
begin{align}
&quad sum_{n=1}^N left( nsqrt{2} - lfloor nsqrt{2} rfloor right) \
&=int_1^N left( nsqrt{2} - lfloor nsqrt{2} rfloor right) {rm d}n + {cal O}(1) tag{1} \
&=frac{1}{sqrt{2}} int_sqrt{2}^{sqrt{2}N} left(x- lfloor x rfloor right) {rm d}x + {cal O}(1) \
&=frac{1}{sqrt{2}} Bigg( N^2 - 1 - Bigg[ frac{sqrt{2}N left(sqrt{2}N-1right)}{2} + frac{left{sqrt{2}Nright} left(1-left{sqrt{2}Nright}right)}{2} \
&quad - frac{sqrt{2} left(sqrt{2}-1right)}{2} - frac{left{sqrt{2}right} left(1-left{sqrt{2}right}right)}{2} Bigg] Bigg) + {cal O}(1) \
&=frac{N}{2} + {cal O}(1)
end{align}
where we used
$$
int_0^x lfloor t rfloor , {rm d}t = frac{x(x-1)}{2} + frac{left{xright}left(1-left{xright}right)}{2} , .
$$
The order follows from the fact that
$$
frac{left( sqrt{2}N - lfloor sqrt{2}N rfloor right) + left( sqrt{2} - lfloor sqrt{2} rfloor right)}{2} = {cal O}(1) tag{2}
$$
and
$$int_1^{N} left( nsqrt{2} - lfloor nsqrt{2} rfloor right)'' {rm d}n tag{3} \
= left( sqrt{2}n - lfloor sqrt{2}n rfloor right)'big|_{n=N} - left( sqrt{2}n - lfloor sqrt{2}n rfloor right)'big|_{n=1} \
=sqrt{2} sum_{k=-infty}^{infty}left[ deltaleft( sqrt{2} - k right) - deltaleft( sqrt{2}N - k right) right]
$$
but this requires Euler-Maclaurin.
Due to the harsh critic about my somewhat heuristic argument I want to correct my approach as far as possible.
Set $$f(x)=x-lfloor x rfloor$$ and $$f_n(x)=frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{pi} sum_{k=1}^n frac{sin(2pi k x)}{k} , ,$$such that
$$
lim_{nrightarrow infty} f_n(x) = f(x) , .
$$
Since $f_n$ is differentiable we can use Euler-Maclaurin to calculate the sum
$$
sum_{k=1}^N f_n(ak)
$$
with some $a$. The integral in (1) does not create much of an issue in the limit $n rightarrow infty$, since the limit is piecewise continuous and the integral can be splitted accordingly and then integrated. Also the limit of (2) is of ${cal O}(1)$. So the problematic term which needs to be examined is the remainder $R_2$ ((3) was very heuristic) which can be written as
$$
R_2=int_1^N B_2left(t-lfloor t rfloorright) frac{rm d}{{rm d}t} f_n'(at) , {rm d}t
$$
neglecting unnecessary constants and $B_2$ is the second Bernoulli polynomial. We can express
begin{align}
f_n'(at) &= 1-sum_{k=-n}^{n} {rm e}^{i2pi k at} = 1 - frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} \
B_2left(t-lfloor t rfloorright) &= left(t-lfloor t rfloorright)(left(t-lfloor t rfloor - 1right) + frac{1}{6} = lim_{M rightarrow infty} sum_{k=1}^M frac{cos(2pi kt)}{pi^2 k^2}
end{align}
and integrate by parts
$$
R_2=-B_2left(t-lfloor t rfloorright) frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} Bigg|_{1}^{N} - 2 sum_{k=1}^{M} int_1^N frac{sin(2pi kt)}{pi k} frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} , {rm d}t tag{4} , .
$$
For $a$ not an integer, the first term is bounded and ${cal O}(1)$ as $n rightarrow infty$. The integral can be viewed as a functional for $n rightarrow infty$ in which case the Dirichlet kernel acts as a periodic delta-distribution $sum_{m=-infty}^{infty} delta(at-m)$
$$
lim_{n rightarrow infty} int_1^N frac{sin(2pi kt)}{pi k} frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} , {rm d}t = sum_{m=lceil a rceil}^{lfloor Na rfloor} frac{sinleft(frac{2pi km}{a}right)}{pi k a} , .
$$
Evaluating
$$
sum_{m=lceil a rceil}^{lfloor Na rfloor} lim_{Mrightarrowinfty} -2sum_{k=1}^{M} frac{sinleft(frac{2pi km}{a}right)}{pi k a} = sum_{m=lceil a rceil}^{lfloor Na rfloor} frac{2{m/a}-1}{a} tag{5}
$$
and using $sum_{n=1}^{N}{an} = frac{N}{2} + {cal O}(?)$
this becomes ${cal o}(N)$. So it is actually true ${cal O}(1)$ does not follow.
We continue with the integral in (4) for $N$ integer
begin{align}
&quad -2sum_{k=1}^infty int_1^N frac{sin(2pi kt)}{pi k} frac{sinleft((2n+1)pi atright)}{sinleft(pi atright)} , {rm d}t \
&=-4sum_{m=1}^n sum_{k=1}^infty int_1^N frac{sin(2pi kt)cos(2pi m a t)}{pi k} , {rm d}t \
&=frac{4}{pi^2} sum_{m=1}^n sum_{k=1}^infty frac{cos^2(Npi m a)-cos^2(pi ma)}{k^2-m^2 a^2} \
&=2sum_{m=1}^n left[ frac{cos^2(Npi m a)-cos^2(pi ma)}{pi^2 m^2 a^2} - frac{cot(pi ma)left(cos^2(Npi ma) - cos^2(pi ma)right)}{pi ma} right]
end{align}
where $a$ must be an irrational number now. The first term is ${cal O}(1)$ for $nrightarrow infty$.
Any idea for the second?
It can be rewritten as
begin{align}
&quad , , sum_{m=1}^n frac{cot(pi ma)left(cos^2(Npi m a) - cos^2(pi ma)right)}{pi ma} \
&= sum_{m=1}^n frac{cot(pi ma)left(cos(N2pi ma) - cos(2pi ma)right)}{2pi ma} \
&= - sum_{m=1}^{n}cos(mpi a) , frac{sinleft((N+1)mpi aright)}{mpi a} , frac{sinleft((N-1)mpi aright)}{sin(mpi a)} \
&= - sum_{m=1}^{n} frac{sinleft((N+2)mpi aright)}{mpi a} , frac{sinleft((N-1)mpi aright)}{sin(mpi a)} + sum_{m=1}^n frac{ sinleft(N2pi maright) - sinleft(2pi maright) }{2pi ma}
end{align}
so the second sum is bounded again $forall N$ and $n rightarrow infty$.
Not sure if it helps, but I have the following two identities for the sines
$$
frac{sinleft((N-1)nxright)}{sin(nx)} = sum_{l=2}^N cosleft((N-l)nxright) cos^{l-2}(nx)
$$
and
$$
frac{sinleft((N-1)nxright)}{sin(nx)} = 1+2sum_{l=1}^{frac{N}{2}-1} cosleft(l2nxright) , ,
$$
but evaluating this feels as if I'm running in circles.
I added a Figure of the RHS of (5) up to $N=10^6$ which doesn't look anything like $log$, so either the numbers are just too small or I dont why it has to be $log$.
edited Dec 1 at 13:23
answered Nov 26 at 16:40
Diger
1,5921413
1,5921413
After the first equality sign things are relatively simple. Why do we have this control with $O(1)$ of the difference between the sum and the integral?
– dan_fulea
Nov 26 at 17:35
1
It is quite unclear that using Euler-Maclaurin formula giving any useful information. The part with $O(1)$ needs much more information and it needs to be done very carefully.
– i707107
Nov 26 at 20:10
Fourier series approach seems promising. Maybe you can try starting with the error bound for $f_n -f$.
– i707107
Nov 27 at 17:55
add a comment |
After the first equality sign things are relatively simple. Why do we have this control with $O(1)$ of the difference between the sum and the integral?
– dan_fulea
Nov 26 at 17:35
1
It is quite unclear that using Euler-Maclaurin formula giving any useful information. The part with $O(1)$ needs much more information and it needs to be done very carefully.
– i707107
Nov 26 at 20:10
Fourier series approach seems promising. Maybe you can try starting with the error bound for $f_n -f$.
– i707107
Nov 27 at 17:55
After the first equality sign things are relatively simple. Why do we have this control with $O(1)$ of the difference between the sum and the integral?
– dan_fulea
Nov 26 at 17:35
After the first equality sign things are relatively simple. Why do we have this control with $O(1)$ of the difference between the sum and the integral?
– dan_fulea
Nov 26 at 17:35
1
1
It is quite unclear that using Euler-Maclaurin formula giving any useful information. The part with $O(1)$ needs much more information and it needs to be done very carefully.
– i707107
Nov 26 at 20:10
It is quite unclear that using Euler-Maclaurin formula giving any useful information. The part with $O(1)$ needs much more information and it needs to be done very carefully.
– i707107
Nov 26 at 20:10
Fourier series approach seems promising. Maybe you can try starting with the error bound for $f_n -f$.
– i707107
Nov 27 at 17:55
Fourier series approach seems promising. Maybe you can try starting with the error bound for $f_n -f$.
– i707107
Nov 27 at 17:55
add a comment |
This is along the same line as another problem and my answer there: Determine whether $sum_{n=1}^infty frac {(-1)^n|sin(n)|}{n}$ converges
We need Koksma's inequality p. 143, Theorem 5.1 of 'Uniform Distribution of Sequences' by Kuipers and Niederreiter.
Theorem [Koksma]
Let $f$ be a function on $I=[0,1]$ of bounded variation $V(f)$, and suppose we are given $N$ points $x_1, ldots , x_N$ in $I$ with discrepancy
$$
D_N:=sup_{0leq aleq bleq 1} left|frac1N #{1leq nleq N: x_n in (a,b) } -(b-a)right|.
$$
Then
$$
left|frac1N sum_{nleq N} f(x_n) - int_I f(x)dx right|leq V(f)D_N.
$$
To control the discrepancy, We apply the following theorem, for the sequence $x_n = nalpha - lfloor n alpha rfloor$. Note that with $alpha = sqrt 2$, it has a bounded partial quotients in its continued fraction.
Theorem 3.4 of p125 in the Kuipers and Niederreiter's book, states that
If an irrational real $alpha$ has a bounded partial quotients, then the discrepancy $D_N$ satisfies
$$
N D_Nll log N.
$$
Then applying these to your problem with $f(x)=x$, we obtain
$$
biggvertfrac1N sum_{nleq N} { nsqrt 2} - int_0^1 x dxbiggvert ll frac{log N}N.
$$
Therefore, we have an estimate of
$$
sum_{nleq N} {nsqrt 2}=frac N2 + O(log N).
$$
To obtain a more precise estimate, we have $V(f)=1$ for $f(x)=x$. Also, p.143 Theorem 5.1 describes how $O(log N)$ term behaves. Using those, we have
$$
Biggvert sum_{nleq N} {nsqrt 2}-frac N2 Biggvert leq 3+left(frac1{log xi}+frac{2}{log 3}right)log N.
$$
Here we use $xi=frac{1+sqrt 5}2$ and the continued fraction partial quotients are bounded by $2$ (It is in fact $[1;2,2,2,ldots]$).
Do you know if the bound of Koksma is the best? It seems rather poor,or?
– Diger
Nov 30 at 11:05
add a comment |
This is along the same line as another problem and my answer there: Determine whether $sum_{n=1}^infty frac {(-1)^n|sin(n)|}{n}$ converges
We need Koksma's inequality p. 143, Theorem 5.1 of 'Uniform Distribution of Sequences' by Kuipers and Niederreiter.
Theorem [Koksma]
Let $f$ be a function on $I=[0,1]$ of bounded variation $V(f)$, and suppose we are given $N$ points $x_1, ldots , x_N$ in $I$ with discrepancy
$$
D_N:=sup_{0leq aleq bleq 1} left|frac1N #{1leq nleq N: x_n in (a,b) } -(b-a)right|.
$$
Then
$$
left|frac1N sum_{nleq N} f(x_n) - int_I f(x)dx right|leq V(f)D_N.
$$
To control the discrepancy, We apply the following theorem, for the sequence $x_n = nalpha - lfloor n alpha rfloor$. Note that with $alpha = sqrt 2$, it has a bounded partial quotients in its continued fraction.
Theorem 3.4 of p125 in the Kuipers and Niederreiter's book, states that
If an irrational real $alpha$ has a bounded partial quotients, then the discrepancy $D_N$ satisfies
$$
N D_Nll log N.
$$
Then applying these to your problem with $f(x)=x$, we obtain
$$
biggvertfrac1N sum_{nleq N} { nsqrt 2} - int_0^1 x dxbiggvert ll frac{log N}N.
$$
Therefore, we have an estimate of
$$
sum_{nleq N} {nsqrt 2}=frac N2 + O(log N).
$$
To obtain a more precise estimate, we have $V(f)=1$ for $f(x)=x$. Also, p.143 Theorem 5.1 describes how $O(log N)$ term behaves. Using those, we have
$$
Biggvert sum_{nleq N} {nsqrt 2}-frac N2 Biggvert leq 3+left(frac1{log xi}+frac{2}{log 3}right)log N.
$$
Here we use $xi=frac{1+sqrt 5}2$ and the continued fraction partial quotients are bounded by $2$ (It is in fact $[1;2,2,2,ldots]$).
Do you know if the bound of Koksma is the best? It seems rather poor,or?
– Diger
Nov 30 at 11:05
add a comment |
This is along the same line as another problem and my answer there: Determine whether $sum_{n=1}^infty frac {(-1)^n|sin(n)|}{n}$ converges
We need Koksma's inequality p. 143, Theorem 5.1 of 'Uniform Distribution of Sequences' by Kuipers and Niederreiter.
Theorem [Koksma]
Let $f$ be a function on $I=[0,1]$ of bounded variation $V(f)$, and suppose we are given $N$ points $x_1, ldots , x_N$ in $I$ with discrepancy
$$
D_N:=sup_{0leq aleq bleq 1} left|frac1N #{1leq nleq N: x_n in (a,b) } -(b-a)right|.
$$
Then
$$
left|frac1N sum_{nleq N} f(x_n) - int_I f(x)dx right|leq V(f)D_N.
$$
To control the discrepancy, We apply the following theorem, for the sequence $x_n = nalpha - lfloor n alpha rfloor$. Note that with $alpha = sqrt 2$, it has a bounded partial quotients in its continued fraction.
Theorem 3.4 of p125 in the Kuipers and Niederreiter's book, states that
If an irrational real $alpha$ has a bounded partial quotients, then the discrepancy $D_N$ satisfies
$$
N D_Nll log N.
$$
Then applying these to your problem with $f(x)=x$, we obtain
$$
biggvertfrac1N sum_{nleq N} { nsqrt 2} - int_0^1 x dxbiggvert ll frac{log N}N.
$$
Therefore, we have an estimate of
$$
sum_{nleq N} {nsqrt 2}=frac N2 + O(log N).
$$
To obtain a more precise estimate, we have $V(f)=1$ for $f(x)=x$. Also, p.143 Theorem 5.1 describes how $O(log N)$ term behaves. Using those, we have
$$
Biggvert sum_{nleq N} {nsqrt 2}-frac N2 Biggvert leq 3+left(frac1{log xi}+frac{2}{log 3}right)log N.
$$
Here we use $xi=frac{1+sqrt 5}2$ and the continued fraction partial quotients are bounded by $2$ (It is in fact $[1;2,2,2,ldots]$).
This is along the same line as another problem and my answer there: Determine whether $sum_{n=1}^infty frac {(-1)^n|sin(n)|}{n}$ converges
We need Koksma's inequality p. 143, Theorem 5.1 of 'Uniform Distribution of Sequences' by Kuipers and Niederreiter.
Theorem [Koksma]
Let $f$ be a function on $I=[0,1]$ of bounded variation $V(f)$, and suppose we are given $N$ points $x_1, ldots , x_N$ in $I$ with discrepancy
$$
D_N:=sup_{0leq aleq bleq 1} left|frac1N #{1leq nleq N: x_n in (a,b) } -(b-a)right|.
$$
Then
$$
left|frac1N sum_{nleq N} f(x_n) - int_I f(x)dx right|leq V(f)D_N.
$$
To control the discrepancy, We apply the following theorem, for the sequence $x_n = nalpha - lfloor n alpha rfloor$. Note that with $alpha = sqrt 2$, it has a bounded partial quotients in its continued fraction.
Theorem 3.4 of p125 in the Kuipers and Niederreiter's book, states that
If an irrational real $alpha$ has a bounded partial quotients, then the discrepancy $D_N$ satisfies
$$
N D_Nll log N.
$$
Then applying these to your problem with $f(x)=x$, we obtain
$$
biggvertfrac1N sum_{nleq N} { nsqrt 2} - int_0^1 x dxbiggvert ll frac{log N}N.
$$
Therefore, we have an estimate of
$$
sum_{nleq N} {nsqrt 2}=frac N2 + O(log N).
$$
To obtain a more precise estimate, we have $V(f)=1$ for $f(x)=x$. Also, p.143 Theorem 5.1 describes how $O(log N)$ term behaves. Using those, we have
$$
Biggvert sum_{nleq N} {nsqrt 2}-frac N2 Biggvert leq 3+left(frac1{log xi}+frac{2}{log 3}right)log N.
$$
Here we use $xi=frac{1+sqrt 5}2$ and the continued fraction partial quotients are bounded by $2$ (It is in fact $[1;2,2,2,ldots]$).
edited Dec 1 at 13:37
answered Nov 26 at 20:51
i707107
11.9k21447
11.9k21447
Do you know if the bound of Koksma is the best? It seems rather poor,or?
– Diger
Nov 30 at 11:05
add a comment |
Do you know if the bound of Koksma is the best? It seems rather poor,or?
– Diger
Nov 30 at 11:05
Do you know if the bound of Koksma is the best? It seems rather poor,or?
– Diger
Nov 30 at 11:05
Do you know if the bound of Koksma is the best? It seems rather poor,or?
– Diger
Nov 30 at 11:05
add a comment |
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I don't believe this is even true. Certainly the integer part of $nsqrt{2}$ is uniformly distributed, but the terms are not independent; I believe the error bound is more like $O(N/sqrt{log N})$.
– mjqxxxx
Nov 26 at 15:43
@mjqxxxx Really? I see what you mean about non-independence thwarting my prediction... but if anything, it seems like it should be tighter than $sqrt{N}$, since if ${nsqrt{2}}$ is less than $1/2$, then ${(n+1)sqrt{2}}$ is more likely to be greater than $1/2$, and vice versa, suggesting that it should "even out" to $1/2$ even more reliably than independent random variables.
– Frpzzd
Nov 26 at 15:47
@mjqxxxx Also, can you offer any (rigorous) methods for finding/proving a bound?
– Frpzzd
Nov 26 at 15:48
@frpzzd a bit of quick numerical work backs you up. I wouldn't be surprised if the error term is $O(1)$, although that may be overly optimistic.
– Michael Lugo
Nov 26 at 16:48
I don’t think that this can be done without specialized knowledge. You need to know about the nature of continued fraction expansion of $sqrt 2$.
– i707107
Nov 26 at 17:50