Problem in solving functional equation $f(x^2 + yf(x)) = xf(x+y)$
To find all functions
$f$ which is a real function from $Bbb R to Bbb R$ satisfying the relation
$$f(x^2 + yf(x)) = xf(x+y)$$
It can be easily seen that the identity function $i.e.$ $f(x)=x$ and $f(x)=0$ (verified just now) satisfies the above relation!! And putting $y=0$ I have got $f(x^2)=xf(x)$.
Help needed to find other functions satisfying the relation.
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To find all functions
$f$ which is a real function from $Bbb R to Bbb R$ satisfying the relation
$$f(x^2 + yf(x)) = xf(x+y)$$
It can be easily seen that the identity function $i.e.$ $f(x)=x$ and $f(x)=0$ (verified just now) satisfies the above relation!! And putting $y=0$ I have got $f(x^2)=xf(x)$.
Help needed to find other functions satisfying the relation.
functional-equations
1
f(x)=0 is also a solution
– Loreno Heer
Feb 1 '15 at 16:03
There is of course other solutions because not only linear function are solutions.
– idm
Feb 1 '15 at 16:09
Where did this problem come from? Do you have a background for solving such problems?
– Mhenni Benghorbal
Feb 1 '15 at 16:17
4
yes i have but having problem in this one'
– user8795
Feb 1 '15 at 16:18
5
no a friend of mine gave me
– user8795
Feb 1 '15 at 16:22
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show 2 more comments
To find all functions
$f$ which is a real function from $Bbb R to Bbb R$ satisfying the relation
$$f(x^2 + yf(x)) = xf(x+y)$$
It can be easily seen that the identity function $i.e.$ $f(x)=x$ and $f(x)=0$ (verified just now) satisfies the above relation!! And putting $y=0$ I have got $f(x^2)=xf(x)$.
Help needed to find other functions satisfying the relation.
functional-equations
To find all functions
$f$ which is a real function from $Bbb R to Bbb R$ satisfying the relation
$$f(x^2 + yf(x)) = xf(x+y)$$
It can be easily seen that the identity function $i.e.$ $f(x)=x$ and $f(x)=0$ (verified just now) satisfies the above relation!! And putting $y=0$ I have got $f(x^2)=xf(x)$.
Help needed to find other functions satisfying the relation.
functional-equations
functional-equations
edited Jun 2 '18 at 9:11
Sil
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asked Feb 1 '15 at 16:01
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f(x)=0 is also a solution
– Loreno Heer
Feb 1 '15 at 16:03
There is of course other solutions because not only linear function are solutions.
– idm
Feb 1 '15 at 16:09
Where did this problem come from? Do you have a background for solving such problems?
– Mhenni Benghorbal
Feb 1 '15 at 16:17
4
yes i have but having problem in this one'
– user8795
Feb 1 '15 at 16:18
5
no a friend of mine gave me
– user8795
Feb 1 '15 at 16:22
|
show 2 more comments
1
f(x)=0 is also a solution
– Loreno Heer
Feb 1 '15 at 16:03
There is of course other solutions because not only linear function are solutions.
– idm
Feb 1 '15 at 16:09
Where did this problem come from? Do you have a background for solving such problems?
– Mhenni Benghorbal
Feb 1 '15 at 16:17
4
yes i have but having problem in this one'
– user8795
Feb 1 '15 at 16:18
5
no a friend of mine gave me
– user8795
Feb 1 '15 at 16:22
1
1
f(x)=0 is also a solution
– Loreno Heer
Feb 1 '15 at 16:03
f(x)=0 is also a solution
– Loreno Heer
Feb 1 '15 at 16:03
There is of course other solutions because not only linear function are solutions.
– idm
Feb 1 '15 at 16:09
There is of course other solutions because not only linear function are solutions.
– idm
Feb 1 '15 at 16:09
Where did this problem come from? Do you have a background for solving such problems?
– Mhenni Benghorbal
Feb 1 '15 at 16:17
Where did this problem come from? Do you have a background for solving such problems?
– Mhenni Benghorbal
Feb 1 '15 at 16:17
4
4
yes i have but having problem in this one'
– user8795
Feb 1 '15 at 16:18
yes i have but having problem in this one'
– user8795
Feb 1 '15 at 16:18
5
5
no a friend of mine gave me
– user8795
Feb 1 '15 at 16:22
no a friend of mine gave me
– user8795
Feb 1 '15 at 16:22
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Substitute $x=y=0$, we have $f(0)=0$.
Suppose $f(a)=0$ for some $ane 0$, then substitute $x=a$, gives
$$f(a^2)=af(a+y) hspace{1cm}forall y$$
Hence we have the trivial solution $$f(y)=text{constant}=f(a)=f(0)=0$$ for all $y$.
Therefore, if other solutions exist, they must satisfy $f(x)ne0$ for all $xne0$.
Now for $xne 0$ let $$y=-x^2/f(x)$$ then $$f(0)=xf(x-x^2/(f(x)))=0$$
Hence we have $$x-x^2/f(x)=0$$ which implies $$f(x)=x$$ for all $xne 0$.
Combined with $f(0)=0$, the non-trivial solution is $$f(x)=x$$ for all $x$.
Once you show that $f(xneq 0$ for $x neq 0$ you can conclude by just putting $y=-x$ which gives $f(x^{2}-xf(x))=xf(x-x)=0$ so $x^{2}-xf(x) equiv 0$ and so $f(x) equiv x$.
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jul 18 '18 at 6:24
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Putting $x=y=0$: $$f(0)=0$$
Putting $y=-x$: $$ f(x^2-xf(x))=0$$
If there exists $aneq 0$ such that $f(a)=0$, then put $x=a$: $$f(a^2)=af(a+y)$$
Then $f(x)$ is a constant, and easily find that $f(x)=0$.
If $f(x)=0$ iff $x=0$, then $x^2-xf(x)=0$ for all $x$, then $f(x)=x$ for all $x$.
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Hint: Note that the relation is true for all $x,y$. Therefore
$$f(x^2) = xf(x)$$
this can be solved as:
$$f(x) = C x$$.
Note also that
$$f(x^2 -xf(x)) = xf(0) $$
add a comment |
An incomplete solution. We present two results on this problem.
We show that if $f(x)$ is injective then the only non-trivial solution to the functional equation is $f(x)=x$.
Proof: Apart from the trivial solution $f(x)=0$ let us assume $f(x)$ is not identically zero and it is injective. Set $x=y=0$ to get
$$f(0^2+0f(0))=0f(0)Rightarrow f(0)=0$$
Then let $x=-y$ one would obtain
$$f(x^2-xf(x))=xf(x-x)=xf(0)Rightarrow f(x^2-xf(x))=0$$
Using the assumption that $f(x)$ is injective then $$x^2-xf(x)=0Rightarrow f(x)=x$$
$f(x)$ is an odd function.
Set $y=0$ then
$$f(x^2)=xf(x)$$
on the other hand
$$f((-x)^2)=-xf(-x)Rightarrow f(x^2)=-xf(-x)Rightarrow f(x)=-f(-x)$$
and hence $f(x)$ would be an odd function.
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Putting $ x=0 $ gives $$f(yf(0))=0 $$ for any $yinmathbb{R}$ so $f(0)=0$. If $f$ is identically zero, then it satisfies the equation. So for non-constant solution we may assume $f$ is not zero at some point. Setting $y=0$, $$ f(x^2)=xf(x). $$ Let $x_0$ be a real number for which $f(x_0)=0$. Then $$f(x_0 ^2)=x_0 f(x_0 +y)$$ and so $$ x_0 f(x_0 +y) =0 $$ for all $yinmathbb{R}$. Thus $x_0 =0$ since f is not identically zero. Indeed,
$$f(x)=0 iff x=0.$$
Now setting $ y=-x $ we have for any $xinmathbb{R}$,
$$f(x^2-xf(x))=0$$ and so
$$x^2-xf(x)=0 $$ or
$$f(x)=x.$$
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Substitute $x=y=0$, we have $f(0)=0$.
Suppose $f(a)=0$ for some $ane 0$, then substitute $x=a$, gives
$$f(a^2)=af(a+y) hspace{1cm}forall y$$
Hence we have the trivial solution $$f(y)=text{constant}=f(a)=f(0)=0$$ for all $y$.
Therefore, if other solutions exist, they must satisfy $f(x)ne0$ for all $xne0$.
Now for $xne 0$ let $$y=-x^2/f(x)$$ then $$f(0)=xf(x-x^2/(f(x)))=0$$
Hence we have $$x-x^2/f(x)=0$$ which implies $$f(x)=x$$ for all $xne 0$.
Combined with $f(0)=0$, the non-trivial solution is $$f(x)=x$$ for all $x$.
Once you show that $f(xneq 0$ for $x neq 0$ you can conclude by just putting $y=-x$ which gives $f(x^{2}-xf(x))=xf(x-x)=0$ so $x^{2}-xf(x) equiv 0$ and so $f(x) equiv x$.
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jul 18 '18 at 6:24
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Substitute $x=y=0$, we have $f(0)=0$.
Suppose $f(a)=0$ for some $ane 0$, then substitute $x=a$, gives
$$f(a^2)=af(a+y) hspace{1cm}forall y$$
Hence we have the trivial solution $$f(y)=text{constant}=f(a)=f(0)=0$$ for all $y$.
Therefore, if other solutions exist, they must satisfy $f(x)ne0$ for all $xne0$.
Now for $xne 0$ let $$y=-x^2/f(x)$$ then $$f(0)=xf(x-x^2/(f(x)))=0$$
Hence we have $$x-x^2/f(x)=0$$ which implies $$f(x)=x$$ for all $xne 0$.
Combined with $f(0)=0$, the non-trivial solution is $$f(x)=x$$ for all $x$.
Once you show that $f(xneq 0$ for $x neq 0$ you can conclude by just putting $y=-x$ which gives $f(x^{2}-xf(x))=xf(x-x)=0$ so $x^{2}-xf(x) equiv 0$ and so $f(x) equiv x$.
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jul 18 '18 at 6:24
add a comment |
Substitute $x=y=0$, we have $f(0)=0$.
Suppose $f(a)=0$ for some $ane 0$, then substitute $x=a$, gives
$$f(a^2)=af(a+y) hspace{1cm}forall y$$
Hence we have the trivial solution $$f(y)=text{constant}=f(a)=f(0)=0$$ for all $y$.
Therefore, if other solutions exist, they must satisfy $f(x)ne0$ for all $xne0$.
Now for $xne 0$ let $$y=-x^2/f(x)$$ then $$f(0)=xf(x-x^2/(f(x)))=0$$
Hence we have $$x-x^2/f(x)=0$$ which implies $$f(x)=x$$ for all $xne 0$.
Combined with $f(0)=0$, the non-trivial solution is $$f(x)=x$$ for all $x$.
Substitute $x=y=0$, we have $f(0)=0$.
Suppose $f(a)=0$ for some $ane 0$, then substitute $x=a$, gives
$$f(a^2)=af(a+y) hspace{1cm}forall y$$
Hence we have the trivial solution $$f(y)=text{constant}=f(a)=f(0)=0$$ for all $y$.
Therefore, if other solutions exist, they must satisfy $f(x)ne0$ for all $xne0$.
Now for $xne 0$ let $$y=-x^2/f(x)$$ then $$f(0)=xf(x-x^2/(f(x)))=0$$
Hence we have $$x-x^2/f(x)=0$$ which implies $$f(x)=x$$ for all $xne 0$.
Combined with $f(0)=0$, the non-trivial solution is $$f(x)=x$$ for all $x$.
edited Feb 1 '15 at 20:01
answered Feb 1 '15 at 16:29
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Once you show that $f(xneq 0$ for $x neq 0$ you can conclude by just putting $y=-x$ which gives $f(x^{2}-xf(x))=xf(x-x)=0$ so $x^{2}-xf(x) equiv 0$ and so $f(x) equiv x$.
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jul 18 '18 at 6:24
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Once you show that $f(xneq 0$ for $x neq 0$ you can conclude by just putting $y=-x$ which gives $f(x^{2}-xf(x))=xf(x-x)=0$ so $x^{2}-xf(x) equiv 0$ and so $f(x) equiv x$.
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jul 18 '18 at 6:24
Once you show that $f(xneq 0$ for $x neq 0$ you can conclude by just putting $y=-x$ which gives $f(x^{2}-xf(x))=xf(x-x)=0$ so $x^{2}-xf(x) equiv 0$ and so $f(x) equiv x$.
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jul 18 '18 at 6:24
Once you show that $f(xneq 0$ for $x neq 0$ you can conclude by just putting $y=-x$ which gives $f(x^{2}-xf(x))=xf(x-x)=0$ so $x^{2}-xf(x) equiv 0$ and so $f(x) equiv x$.
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jul 18 '18 at 6:24
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Putting $x=y=0$: $$f(0)=0$$
Putting $y=-x$: $$ f(x^2-xf(x))=0$$
If there exists $aneq 0$ such that $f(a)=0$, then put $x=a$: $$f(a^2)=af(a+y)$$
Then $f(x)$ is a constant, and easily find that $f(x)=0$.
If $f(x)=0$ iff $x=0$, then $x^2-xf(x)=0$ for all $x$, then $f(x)=x$ for all $x$.
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Putting $x=y=0$: $$f(0)=0$$
Putting $y=-x$: $$ f(x^2-xf(x))=0$$
If there exists $aneq 0$ such that $f(a)=0$, then put $x=a$: $$f(a^2)=af(a+y)$$
Then $f(x)$ is a constant, and easily find that $f(x)=0$.
If $f(x)=0$ iff $x=0$, then $x^2-xf(x)=0$ for all $x$, then $f(x)=x$ for all $x$.
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Putting $x=y=0$: $$f(0)=0$$
Putting $y=-x$: $$ f(x^2-xf(x))=0$$
If there exists $aneq 0$ such that $f(a)=0$, then put $x=a$: $$f(a^2)=af(a+y)$$
Then $f(x)$ is a constant, and easily find that $f(x)=0$.
If $f(x)=0$ iff $x=0$, then $x^2-xf(x)=0$ for all $x$, then $f(x)=x$ for all $x$.
Putting $x=y=0$: $$f(0)=0$$
Putting $y=-x$: $$ f(x^2-xf(x))=0$$
If there exists $aneq 0$ such that $f(a)=0$, then put $x=a$: $$f(a^2)=af(a+y)$$
Then $f(x)$ is a constant, and easily find that $f(x)=0$.
If $f(x)=0$ iff $x=0$, then $x^2-xf(x)=0$ for all $x$, then $f(x)=x$ for all $x$.
answered Feb 1 '15 at 16:27
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Hint: Note that the relation is true for all $x,y$. Therefore
$$f(x^2) = xf(x)$$
this can be solved as:
$$f(x) = C x$$.
Note also that
$$f(x^2 -xf(x)) = xf(0) $$
add a comment |
Hint: Note that the relation is true for all $x,y$. Therefore
$$f(x^2) = xf(x)$$
this can be solved as:
$$f(x) = C x$$.
Note also that
$$f(x^2 -xf(x)) = xf(0) $$
add a comment |
Hint: Note that the relation is true for all $x,y$. Therefore
$$f(x^2) = xf(x)$$
this can be solved as:
$$f(x) = C x$$.
Note also that
$$f(x^2 -xf(x)) = xf(0) $$
Hint: Note that the relation is true for all $x,y$. Therefore
$$f(x^2) = xf(x)$$
this can be solved as:
$$f(x) = C x$$.
Note also that
$$f(x^2 -xf(x)) = xf(0) $$
answered Feb 1 '15 at 16:27
Loreno Heer
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An incomplete solution. We present two results on this problem.
We show that if $f(x)$ is injective then the only non-trivial solution to the functional equation is $f(x)=x$.
Proof: Apart from the trivial solution $f(x)=0$ let us assume $f(x)$ is not identically zero and it is injective. Set $x=y=0$ to get
$$f(0^2+0f(0))=0f(0)Rightarrow f(0)=0$$
Then let $x=-y$ one would obtain
$$f(x^2-xf(x))=xf(x-x)=xf(0)Rightarrow f(x^2-xf(x))=0$$
Using the assumption that $f(x)$ is injective then $$x^2-xf(x)=0Rightarrow f(x)=x$$
$f(x)$ is an odd function.
Set $y=0$ then
$$f(x^2)=xf(x)$$
on the other hand
$$f((-x)^2)=-xf(-x)Rightarrow f(x^2)=-xf(-x)Rightarrow f(x)=-f(-x)$$
and hence $f(x)$ would be an odd function.
add a comment |
An incomplete solution. We present two results on this problem.
We show that if $f(x)$ is injective then the only non-trivial solution to the functional equation is $f(x)=x$.
Proof: Apart from the trivial solution $f(x)=0$ let us assume $f(x)$ is not identically zero and it is injective. Set $x=y=0$ to get
$$f(0^2+0f(0))=0f(0)Rightarrow f(0)=0$$
Then let $x=-y$ one would obtain
$$f(x^2-xf(x))=xf(x-x)=xf(0)Rightarrow f(x^2-xf(x))=0$$
Using the assumption that $f(x)$ is injective then $$x^2-xf(x)=0Rightarrow f(x)=x$$
$f(x)$ is an odd function.
Set $y=0$ then
$$f(x^2)=xf(x)$$
on the other hand
$$f((-x)^2)=-xf(-x)Rightarrow f(x^2)=-xf(-x)Rightarrow f(x)=-f(-x)$$
and hence $f(x)$ would be an odd function.
add a comment |
An incomplete solution. We present two results on this problem.
We show that if $f(x)$ is injective then the only non-trivial solution to the functional equation is $f(x)=x$.
Proof: Apart from the trivial solution $f(x)=0$ let us assume $f(x)$ is not identically zero and it is injective. Set $x=y=0$ to get
$$f(0^2+0f(0))=0f(0)Rightarrow f(0)=0$$
Then let $x=-y$ one would obtain
$$f(x^2-xf(x))=xf(x-x)=xf(0)Rightarrow f(x^2-xf(x))=0$$
Using the assumption that $f(x)$ is injective then $$x^2-xf(x)=0Rightarrow f(x)=x$$
$f(x)$ is an odd function.
Set $y=0$ then
$$f(x^2)=xf(x)$$
on the other hand
$$f((-x)^2)=-xf(-x)Rightarrow f(x^2)=-xf(-x)Rightarrow f(x)=-f(-x)$$
and hence $f(x)$ would be an odd function.
An incomplete solution. We present two results on this problem.
We show that if $f(x)$ is injective then the only non-trivial solution to the functional equation is $f(x)=x$.
Proof: Apart from the trivial solution $f(x)=0$ let us assume $f(x)$ is not identically zero and it is injective. Set $x=y=0$ to get
$$f(0^2+0f(0))=0f(0)Rightarrow f(0)=0$$
Then let $x=-y$ one would obtain
$$f(x^2-xf(x))=xf(x-x)=xf(0)Rightarrow f(x^2-xf(x))=0$$
Using the assumption that $f(x)$ is injective then $$x^2-xf(x)=0Rightarrow f(x)=x$$
$f(x)$ is an odd function.
Set $y=0$ then
$$f(x^2)=xf(x)$$
on the other hand
$$f((-x)^2)=-xf(-x)Rightarrow f(x^2)=-xf(-x)Rightarrow f(x)=-f(-x)$$
and hence $f(x)$ would be an odd function.
answered Feb 1 '15 at 17:04
Arian
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Putting $ x=0 $ gives $$f(yf(0))=0 $$ for any $yinmathbb{R}$ so $f(0)=0$. If $f$ is identically zero, then it satisfies the equation. So for non-constant solution we may assume $f$ is not zero at some point. Setting $y=0$, $$ f(x^2)=xf(x). $$ Let $x_0$ be a real number for which $f(x_0)=0$. Then $$f(x_0 ^2)=x_0 f(x_0 +y)$$ and so $$ x_0 f(x_0 +y) =0 $$ for all $yinmathbb{R}$. Thus $x_0 =0$ since f is not identically zero. Indeed,
$$f(x)=0 iff x=0.$$
Now setting $ y=-x $ we have for any $xinmathbb{R}$,
$$f(x^2-xf(x))=0$$ and so
$$x^2-xf(x)=0 $$ or
$$f(x)=x.$$
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Putting $ x=0 $ gives $$f(yf(0))=0 $$ for any $yinmathbb{R}$ so $f(0)=0$. If $f$ is identically zero, then it satisfies the equation. So for non-constant solution we may assume $f$ is not zero at some point. Setting $y=0$, $$ f(x^2)=xf(x). $$ Let $x_0$ be a real number for which $f(x_0)=0$. Then $$f(x_0 ^2)=x_0 f(x_0 +y)$$ and so $$ x_0 f(x_0 +y) =0 $$ for all $yinmathbb{R}$. Thus $x_0 =0$ since f is not identically zero. Indeed,
$$f(x)=0 iff x=0.$$
Now setting $ y=-x $ we have for any $xinmathbb{R}$,
$$f(x^2-xf(x))=0$$ and so
$$x^2-xf(x)=0 $$ or
$$f(x)=x.$$
add a comment |
Putting $ x=0 $ gives $$f(yf(0))=0 $$ for any $yinmathbb{R}$ so $f(0)=0$. If $f$ is identically zero, then it satisfies the equation. So for non-constant solution we may assume $f$ is not zero at some point. Setting $y=0$, $$ f(x^2)=xf(x). $$ Let $x_0$ be a real number for which $f(x_0)=0$. Then $$f(x_0 ^2)=x_0 f(x_0 +y)$$ and so $$ x_0 f(x_0 +y) =0 $$ for all $yinmathbb{R}$. Thus $x_0 =0$ since f is not identically zero. Indeed,
$$f(x)=0 iff x=0.$$
Now setting $ y=-x $ we have for any $xinmathbb{R}$,
$$f(x^2-xf(x))=0$$ and so
$$x^2-xf(x)=0 $$ or
$$f(x)=x.$$
Putting $ x=0 $ gives $$f(yf(0))=0 $$ for any $yinmathbb{R}$ so $f(0)=0$. If $f$ is identically zero, then it satisfies the equation. So for non-constant solution we may assume $f$ is not zero at some point. Setting $y=0$, $$ f(x^2)=xf(x). $$ Let $x_0$ be a real number for which $f(x_0)=0$. Then $$f(x_0 ^2)=x_0 f(x_0 +y)$$ and so $$ x_0 f(x_0 +y) =0 $$ for all $yinmathbb{R}$. Thus $x_0 =0$ since f is not identically zero. Indeed,
$$f(x)=0 iff x=0.$$
Now setting $ y=-x $ we have for any $xinmathbb{R}$,
$$f(x^2-xf(x))=0$$ and so
$$x^2-xf(x)=0 $$ or
$$f(x)=x.$$
edited Nov 27 '18 at 16:56
answered Nov 27 '18 at 8:49
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f(x)=0 is also a solution
– Loreno Heer
Feb 1 '15 at 16:03
There is of course other solutions because not only linear function are solutions.
– idm
Feb 1 '15 at 16:09
Where did this problem come from? Do you have a background for solving such problems?
– Mhenni Benghorbal
Feb 1 '15 at 16:17
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yes i have but having problem in this one'
– user8795
Feb 1 '15 at 16:18
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no a friend of mine gave me
– user8795
Feb 1 '15 at 16:22