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A few people I met were debating over if $-5^2 = 25$ or $-25$.



From my experience, we assume operator precedence and get $-25.$
People are telling me however, calculators are flawed, the real answer is $25.$



Clarifying note, the expression is merely:
$-5^2$
nothing else.
What would you say?



Edit:
I've also tried saying $f(x)=-x^2$ is a parabola that opens downwards, but this was apparently a problem with graphing calculators as well.










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    It is important to distinguish between $-5^2 = -25$, and $(-5)^2 = 25$.
    – MisterRiemann
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:43










  • hence why I said, the expression includes no parentheses.
    – SzmatoPotato
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:49










  • For those who downvote: please specify a reason.
    – SzmatoPotato
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:51










  • My comment still applies.
    – MisterRiemann
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:51










  • What does this have to do with "calculators" ?
    – Yves Daoust
    Nov 29 '18 at 22:16


















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A few people I met were debating over if $-5^2 = 25$ or $-25$.



From my experience, we assume operator precedence and get $-25.$
People are telling me however, calculators are flawed, the real answer is $25.$



Clarifying note, the expression is merely:
$-5^2$
nothing else.
What would you say?



Edit:
I've also tried saying $f(x)=-x^2$ is a parabola that opens downwards, but this was apparently a problem with graphing calculators as well.










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    It is important to distinguish between $-5^2 = -25$, and $(-5)^2 = 25$.
    – MisterRiemann
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:43










  • hence why I said, the expression includes no parentheses.
    – SzmatoPotato
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:49










  • For those who downvote: please specify a reason.
    – SzmatoPotato
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:51










  • My comment still applies.
    – MisterRiemann
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:51










  • What does this have to do with "calculators" ?
    – Yves Daoust
    Nov 29 '18 at 22:16
















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A few people I met were debating over if $-5^2 = 25$ or $-25$.



From my experience, we assume operator precedence and get $-25.$
People are telling me however, calculators are flawed, the real answer is $25.$



Clarifying note, the expression is merely:
$-5^2$
nothing else.
What would you say?



Edit:
I've also tried saying $f(x)=-x^2$ is a parabola that opens downwards, but this was apparently a problem with graphing calculators as well.










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A few people I met were debating over if $-5^2 = 25$ or $-25$.



From my experience, we assume operator precedence and get $-25.$
People are telling me however, calculators are flawed, the real answer is $25.$



Clarifying note, the expression is merely:
$-5^2$
nothing else.
What would you say?



Edit:
I've also tried saying $f(x)=-x^2$ is a parabola that opens downwards, but this was apparently a problem with graphing calculators as well.







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    It is important to distinguish between $-5^2 = -25$, and $(-5)^2 = 25$.
    – MisterRiemann
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:43










  • hence why I said, the expression includes no parentheses.
    – SzmatoPotato
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:49










  • For those who downvote: please specify a reason.
    – SzmatoPotato
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:51










  • My comment still applies.
    – MisterRiemann
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:51










  • What does this have to do with "calculators" ?
    – Yves Daoust
    Nov 29 '18 at 22:16
















  • 3




    It is important to distinguish between $-5^2 = -25$, and $(-5)^2 = 25$.
    – MisterRiemann
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:43










  • hence why I said, the expression includes no parentheses.
    – SzmatoPotato
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:49










  • For those who downvote: please specify a reason.
    – SzmatoPotato
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:51










  • My comment still applies.
    – MisterRiemann
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:51










  • What does this have to do with "calculators" ?
    – Yves Daoust
    Nov 29 '18 at 22:16










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It is important to distinguish between $-5^2 = -25$, and $(-5)^2 = 25$.
– MisterRiemann
Nov 29 '18 at 21:43




It is important to distinguish between $-5^2 = -25$, and $(-5)^2 = 25$.
– MisterRiemann
Nov 29 '18 at 21:43












hence why I said, the expression includes no parentheses.
– SzmatoPotato
Nov 29 '18 at 21:49




hence why I said, the expression includes no parentheses.
– SzmatoPotato
Nov 29 '18 at 21:49












For those who downvote: please specify a reason.
– SzmatoPotato
Nov 29 '18 at 21:51




For those who downvote: please specify a reason.
– SzmatoPotato
Nov 29 '18 at 21:51












My comment still applies.
– MisterRiemann
Nov 29 '18 at 21:51




My comment still applies.
– MisterRiemann
Nov 29 '18 at 21:51












What does this have to do with "calculators" ?
– Yves Daoust
Nov 29 '18 at 22:16






What does this have to do with "calculators" ?
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By definition of the order of operations, exponentiation takes precedence over negation. Therefore,
$$
-5^2 = (-1) times 5 times 5 = -25
$$

but the alternative would be
$$
(-5)^2 = left[(-1) times 5right] times left[(-1) times 5 right] = 25.
$$






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  • As I said, the expression contains no parentheses. Would the 2nd part of your answer still apply?
    – SzmatoPotato
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:48










  • Since it contains no parentheses, @SzmatoPotato, technically, no, the second part does not apply. The assumption that it does apply is the common mistake that produces the entire controversy/debate.
    – Eevee Trainer
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:58










  • They are now saying "-5 isn't a negation operation it's an interger"
    – SzmatoPotato
    Nov 29 '18 at 22:05










  • I quote: "a negative is a sign, not an operator"
    – SzmatoPotato
    Nov 29 '18 at 22:24










  • @SzmatoPotato If you want to treat $-5$ as an integer, the convention is to specifically write $(-5)^2=25$ for the second line and $-5^2$ to mean the first line. There are multiple ways to skin the cat, but we need to end up with the same stew afterwards whichever way you choose.
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You’re right. $-5^2$ means $-1cdot 5^2$.



$$-5^2 = -1cdot 5^2 = -25$$



They’re confusing it with $(-5)^2$, which means $(-5)cdot (-5)$.



$$(-5)^2 = (-5)cdot (-5) = +25$$






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  • Great explanation, think this makes sense. I will hold off on marking the best answer though.
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When -5^2 is written on paper, it's assumed that it's actually (-5)^2, as in the negative was already applied to the 5 before squaring. Often times this is where the confusion comes from when typing -5^2 into a calculator is equal to -25.
The calculator is not necessarily wrong. When you type -5^2, the calculator is really calculating -(5)^2. It squares the 5 first, then it applies the negative(multiplies the equation by negative 1.) This is really what the negative sign means, multiplying the number by -1. When we teach and learn -'s though, we automatically multiply it out, since -5 and -(5) equals the same thing, which is -5. Just know that when you put a negative sign in your calculator, you're really putting "-1x...", "negative one times..."






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  • What you are saying is false. $-5^2 = -1 cdot 5^2$, while $(-5)^2 = (-5)(-5)$.
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Without a parentheses the negative is taken as a -1, so it would read as ${-1*5^2}$, which would equal -25. With a parentheses, it would be read as $({-5)^2}$ which equals 25.






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  • Hi, thanks for the answer. Can you clarify what you mean by "With a parentheses, it would be read as −52 which equals 25."
    – SzmatoPotato
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:52












  • Put the -5 inside the parentheses. it will look like (-5)^2
    – Xavier Stanton
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:53












  • The way you wrote the second sentence is needlessly confusing. You should distinguish between $-5^2$ and $(-5)^2$.
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  • Do you get what I'm saying though?
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To properly answer you question, I need a graphing calculator. I don't have one, but I do have a scientific calculator, a CVS knock-off of a Sharp 2-line model.



I pressed the negation key "+/-", the display shows "-0". So far so good. Then I press 5 and the display changes to "-5". But then I press the $x^2$ key and then "(-5)²" goes up on the top line of the display. So this calculator has clearly understood my button pushing to mean "$(-5)^2$", not "$-(5^2)$".



Hmm... I wonder about reverse Polish... $(-5)^2$ would be $5 - 5 - times$, while $-(5^2)$ would be $0 , 5 , 5 times -$ (press Enter when you need to follow a number with another number).



If Jerry Springer got involved in this debate, I think he would cap it off saying that "Ultimately, communication among humans is subject to the vagaries of shared experiences, and in those gaps, ambiguities creep in." Or something along those lines.






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    By the rules of precedence, in mathematical notation $-5^2=-(5^2)$, not $(-5)^2$.



    For the same reason, $-5-5$ is not $(-5)(-5)$. No discussion.





    If this concerns calculator input, the answer is not unique.






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    • What would you say to "if you're assuming it's an operation you're bringing into question how you can ever write negative numbers"? I'm unsure of how to answer this one.
      – SzmatoPotato
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    • @SzmatoPotato: sorry, I can't decipher your question.
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    • I think they mean -5 implies (-5) the integer, and I'm unsure of how to dispute this.
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    • @SzmatoPotato: there are rules of precedence.
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    By definition of the order of operations, exponentiation takes precedence over negation. Therefore,
    $$
    -5^2 = (-1) times 5 times 5 = -25
    $$

    but the alternative would be
    $$
    (-5)^2 = left[(-1) times 5right] times left[(-1) times 5 right] = 25.
    $$






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    • As I said, the expression contains no parentheses. Would the 2nd part of your answer still apply?
      – SzmatoPotato
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    • Since it contains no parentheses, @SzmatoPotato, technically, no, the second part does not apply. The assumption that it does apply is the common mistake that produces the entire controversy/debate.
      – Eevee Trainer
      Nov 29 '18 at 21:58










    • They are now saying "-5 isn't a negation operation it's an interger"
      – SzmatoPotato
      Nov 29 '18 at 22:05










    • I quote: "a negative is a sign, not an operator"
      – SzmatoPotato
      Nov 29 '18 at 22:24










    • @SzmatoPotato If you want to treat $-5$ as an integer, the convention is to specifically write $(-5)^2=25$ for the second line and $-5^2$ to mean the first line. There are multiple ways to skin the cat, but we need to end up with the same stew afterwards whichever way you choose.
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    By definition of the order of operations, exponentiation takes precedence over negation. Therefore,
    $$
    -5^2 = (-1) times 5 times 5 = -25
    $$

    but the alternative would be
    $$
    (-5)^2 = left[(-1) times 5right] times left[(-1) times 5 right] = 25.
    $$






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    • As I said, the expression contains no parentheses. Would the 2nd part of your answer still apply?
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    • Since it contains no parentheses, @SzmatoPotato, technically, no, the second part does not apply. The assumption that it does apply is the common mistake that produces the entire controversy/debate.
      – Eevee Trainer
      Nov 29 '18 at 21:58










    • They are now saying "-5 isn't a negation operation it's an interger"
      – SzmatoPotato
      Nov 29 '18 at 22:05










    • I quote: "a negative is a sign, not an operator"
      – SzmatoPotato
      Nov 29 '18 at 22:24










    • @SzmatoPotato If you want to treat $-5$ as an integer, the convention is to specifically write $(-5)^2=25$ for the second line and $-5^2$ to mean the first line. There are multiple ways to skin the cat, but we need to end up with the same stew afterwards whichever way you choose.
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      Nov 30 '18 at 4:51














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    By definition of the order of operations, exponentiation takes precedence over negation. Therefore,
    $$
    -5^2 = (-1) times 5 times 5 = -25
    $$

    but the alternative would be
    $$
    (-5)^2 = left[(-1) times 5right] times left[(-1) times 5 right] = 25.
    $$






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    By definition of the order of operations, exponentiation takes precedence over negation. Therefore,
    $$
    -5^2 = (-1) times 5 times 5 = -25
    $$

    but the alternative would be
    $$
    (-5)^2 = left[(-1) times 5right] times left[(-1) times 5 right] = 25.
    $$







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    • As I said, the expression contains no parentheses. Would the 2nd part of your answer still apply?
      – SzmatoPotato
      Nov 29 '18 at 21:48










    • Since it contains no parentheses, @SzmatoPotato, technically, no, the second part does not apply. The assumption that it does apply is the common mistake that produces the entire controversy/debate.
      – Eevee Trainer
      Nov 29 '18 at 21:58










    • They are now saying "-5 isn't a negation operation it's an interger"
      – SzmatoPotato
      Nov 29 '18 at 22:05










    • I quote: "a negative is a sign, not an operator"
      – SzmatoPotato
      Nov 29 '18 at 22:24










    • @SzmatoPotato If you want to treat $-5$ as an integer, the convention is to specifically write $(-5)^2=25$ for the second line and $-5^2$ to mean the first line. There are multiple ways to skin the cat, but we need to end up with the same stew afterwards whichever way you choose.
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      Nov 30 '18 at 4:51


















    • As I said, the expression contains no parentheses. Would the 2nd part of your answer still apply?
      – SzmatoPotato
      Nov 29 '18 at 21:48










    • Since it contains no parentheses, @SzmatoPotato, technically, no, the second part does not apply. The assumption that it does apply is the common mistake that produces the entire controversy/debate.
      – Eevee Trainer
      Nov 29 '18 at 21:58










    • They are now saying "-5 isn't a negation operation it's an interger"
      – SzmatoPotato
      Nov 29 '18 at 22:05










    • I quote: "a negative is a sign, not an operator"
      – SzmatoPotato
      Nov 29 '18 at 22:24










    • @SzmatoPotato If you want to treat $-5$ as an integer, the convention is to specifically write $(-5)^2=25$ for the second line and $-5^2$ to mean the first line. There are multiple ways to skin the cat, but we need to end up with the same stew afterwards whichever way you choose.
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      Nov 30 '18 at 4:51
















    As I said, the expression contains no parentheses. Would the 2nd part of your answer still apply?
    – SzmatoPotato
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:48




    As I said, the expression contains no parentheses. Would the 2nd part of your answer still apply?
    – SzmatoPotato
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:48












    Since it contains no parentheses, @SzmatoPotato, technically, no, the second part does not apply. The assumption that it does apply is the common mistake that produces the entire controversy/debate.
    – Eevee Trainer
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:58




    Since it contains no parentheses, @SzmatoPotato, technically, no, the second part does not apply. The assumption that it does apply is the common mistake that produces the entire controversy/debate.
    – Eevee Trainer
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:58












    They are now saying "-5 isn't a negation operation it's an interger"
    – SzmatoPotato
    Nov 29 '18 at 22:05




    They are now saying "-5 isn't a negation operation it's an interger"
    – SzmatoPotato
    Nov 29 '18 at 22:05












    I quote: "a negative is a sign, not an operator"
    – SzmatoPotato
    Nov 29 '18 at 22:24




    I quote: "a negative is a sign, not an operator"
    – SzmatoPotato
    Nov 29 '18 at 22:24












    @SzmatoPotato If you want to treat $-5$ as an integer, the convention is to specifically write $(-5)^2=25$ for the second line and $-5^2$ to mean the first line. There are multiple ways to skin the cat, but we need to end up with the same stew afterwards whichever way you choose.
    – gt6989b
    Nov 30 '18 at 4:51




    @SzmatoPotato If you want to treat $-5$ as an integer, the convention is to specifically write $(-5)^2=25$ for the second line and $-5^2$ to mean the first line. There are multiple ways to skin the cat, but we need to end up with the same stew afterwards whichever way you choose.
    – gt6989b
    Nov 30 '18 at 4:51











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    You’re right. $-5^2$ means $-1cdot 5^2$.



    $$-5^2 = -1cdot 5^2 = -25$$



    They’re confusing it with $(-5)^2$, which means $(-5)cdot (-5)$.



    $$(-5)^2 = (-5)cdot (-5) = +25$$






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    • Great explanation, think this makes sense. I will hold off on marking the best answer though.
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    You’re right. $-5^2$ means $-1cdot 5^2$.



    $$-5^2 = -1cdot 5^2 = -25$$



    They’re confusing it with $(-5)^2$, which means $(-5)cdot (-5)$.



    $$(-5)^2 = (-5)cdot (-5) = +25$$






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    • Great explanation, think this makes sense. I will hold off on marking the best answer though.
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    You’re right. $-5^2$ means $-1cdot 5^2$.



    $$-5^2 = -1cdot 5^2 = -25$$



    They’re confusing it with $(-5)^2$, which means $(-5)cdot (-5)$.



    $$(-5)^2 = (-5)cdot (-5) = +25$$






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    You’re right. $-5^2$ means $-1cdot 5^2$.



    $$-5^2 = -1cdot 5^2 = -25$$



    They’re confusing it with $(-5)^2$, which means $(-5)cdot (-5)$.



    $$(-5)^2 = (-5)cdot (-5) = +25$$







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    • Great explanation, think this makes sense. I will hold off on marking the best answer though.
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    • Great explanation, think this makes sense. I will hold off on marking the best answer though.
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    Great explanation, think this makes sense. I will hold off on marking the best answer though.
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    Great explanation, think this makes sense. I will hold off on marking the best answer though.
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    When -5^2 is written on paper, it's assumed that it's actually (-5)^2, as in the negative was already applied to the 5 before squaring. Often times this is where the confusion comes from when typing -5^2 into a calculator is equal to -25.
    The calculator is not necessarily wrong. When you type -5^2, the calculator is really calculating -(5)^2. It squares the 5 first, then it applies the negative(multiplies the equation by negative 1.) This is really what the negative sign means, multiplying the number by -1. When we teach and learn -'s though, we automatically multiply it out, since -5 and -(5) equals the same thing, which is -5. Just know that when you put a negative sign in your calculator, you're really putting "-1x...", "negative one times..."






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    • What you are saying is false. $-5^2 = -1 cdot 5^2$, while $(-5)^2 = (-5)(-5)$.
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    When -5^2 is written on paper, it's assumed that it's actually (-5)^2, as in the negative was already applied to the 5 before squaring. Often times this is where the confusion comes from when typing -5^2 into a calculator is equal to -25.
    The calculator is not necessarily wrong. When you type -5^2, the calculator is really calculating -(5)^2. It squares the 5 first, then it applies the negative(multiplies the equation by negative 1.) This is really what the negative sign means, multiplying the number by -1. When we teach and learn -'s though, we automatically multiply it out, since -5 and -(5) equals the same thing, which is -5. Just know that when you put a negative sign in your calculator, you're really putting "-1x...", "negative one times..."






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    • What you are saying is false. $-5^2 = -1 cdot 5^2$, while $(-5)^2 = (-5)(-5)$.
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      Nov 29 '18 at 22:49














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    When -5^2 is written on paper, it's assumed that it's actually (-5)^2, as in the negative was already applied to the 5 before squaring. Often times this is where the confusion comes from when typing -5^2 into a calculator is equal to -25.
    The calculator is not necessarily wrong. When you type -5^2, the calculator is really calculating -(5)^2. It squares the 5 first, then it applies the negative(multiplies the equation by negative 1.) This is really what the negative sign means, multiplying the number by -1. When we teach and learn -'s though, we automatically multiply it out, since -5 and -(5) equals the same thing, which is -5. Just know that when you put a negative sign in your calculator, you're really putting "-1x...", "negative one times..."






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    When -5^2 is written on paper, it's assumed that it's actually (-5)^2, as in the negative was already applied to the 5 before squaring. Often times this is where the confusion comes from when typing -5^2 into a calculator is equal to -25.
    The calculator is not necessarily wrong. When you type -5^2, the calculator is really calculating -(5)^2. It squares the 5 first, then it applies the negative(multiplies the equation by negative 1.) This is really what the negative sign means, multiplying the number by -1. When we teach and learn -'s though, we automatically multiply it out, since -5 and -(5) equals the same thing, which is -5. Just know that when you put a negative sign in your calculator, you're really putting "-1x...", "negative one times..."







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    • What you are saying is false. $-5^2 = -1 cdot 5^2$, while $(-5)^2 = (-5)(-5)$.
      – N. F. Taussig
      Nov 29 '18 at 22:49


















    • What you are saying is false. $-5^2 = -1 cdot 5^2$, while $(-5)^2 = (-5)(-5)$.
      – N. F. Taussig
      Nov 29 '18 at 22:49
















    What you are saying is false. $-5^2 = -1 cdot 5^2$, while $(-5)^2 = (-5)(-5)$.
    – N. F. Taussig
    Nov 29 '18 at 22:49




    What you are saying is false. $-5^2 = -1 cdot 5^2$, while $(-5)^2 = (-5)(-5)$.
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    Without a parentheses the negative is taken as a -1, so it would read as ${-1*5^2}$, which would equal -25. With a parentheses, it would be read as $({-5)^2}$ which equals 25.






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    • Hi, thanks for the answer. Can you clarify what you mean by "With a parentheses, it would be read as −52 which equals 25."
      – SzmatoPotato
      Nov 29 '18 at 21:52












    • Put the -5 inside the parentheses. it will look like (-5)^2
      – Xavier Stanton
      Nov 29 '18 at 21:53












    • The way you wrote the second sentence is needlessly confusing. You should distinguish between $-5^2$ and $(-5)^2$.
      – N. F. Taussig
      Nov 29 '18 at 22:46










    • Do you get what I'm saying though?
      – Xavier Stanton
      Nov 30 '18 at 1:06
















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    Without a parentheses the negative is taken as a -1, so it would read as ${-1*5^2}$, which would equal -25. With a parentheses, it would be read as $({-5)^2}$ which equals 25.






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    • Hi, thanks for the answer. Can you clarify what you mean by "With a parentheses, it would be read as −52 which equals 25."
      – SzmatoPotato
      Nov 29 '18 at 21:52












    • Put the -5 inside the parentheses. it will look like (-5)^2
      – Xavier Stanton
      Nov 29 '18 at 21:53












    • The way you wrote the second sentence is needlessly confusing. You should distinguish between $-5^2$ and $(-5)^2$.
      – N. F. Taussig
      Nov 29 '18 at 22:46










    • Do you get what I'm saying though?
      – Xavier Stanton
      Nov 30 '18 at 1:06














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    Without a parentheses the negative is taken as a -1, so it would read as ${-1*5^2}$, which would equal -25. With a parentheses, it would be read as $({-5)^2}$ which equals 25.






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    Without a parentheses the negative is taken as a -1, so it would read as ${-1*5^2}$, which would equal -25. With a parentheses, it would be read as $({-5)^2}$ which equals 25.







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    • Hi, thanks for the answer. Can you clarify what you mean by "With a parentheses, it would be read as −52 which equals 25."
      – SzmatoPotato
      Nov 29 '18 at 21:52












    • Put the -5 inside the parentheses. it will look like (-5)^2
      – Xavier Stanton
      Nov 29 '18 at 21:53












    • The way you wrote the second sentence is needlessly confusing. You should distinguish between $-5^2$ and $(-5)^2$.
      – N. F. Taussig
      Nov 29 '18 at 22:46










    • Do you get what I'm saying though?
      – Xavier Stanton
      Nov 30 '18 at 1:06


















    • Hi, thanks for the answer. Can you clarify what you mean by "With a parentheses, it would be read as −52 which equals 25."
      – SzmatoPotato
      Nov 29 '18 at 21:52












    • Put the -5 inside the parentheses. it will look like (-5)^2
      – Xavier Stanton
      Nov 29 '18 at 21:53












    • The way you wrote the second sentence is needlessly confusing. You should distinguish between $-5^2$ and $(-5)^2$.
      – N. F. Taussig
      Nov 29 '18 at 22:46










    • Do you get what I'm saying though?
      – Xavier Stanton
      Nov 30 '18 at 1:06
















    Hi, thanks for the answer. Can you clarify what you mean by "With a parentheses, it would be read as −52 which equals 25."
    – SzmatoPotato
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:52






    Hi, thanks for the answer. Can you clarify what you mean by "With a parentheses, it would be read as −52 which equals 25."
    – SzmatoPotato
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:52














    Put the -5 inside the parentheses. it will look like (-5)^2
    – Xavier Stanton
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:53






    Put the -5 inside the parentheses. it will look like (-5)^2
    – Xavier Stanton
    Nov 29 '18 at 21:53














    The way you wrote the second sentence is needlessly confusing. You should distinguish between $-5^2$ and $(-5)^2$.
    – N. F. Taussig
    Nov 29 '18 at 22:46




    The way you wrote the second sentence is needlessly confusing. You should distinguish between $-5^2$ and $(-5)^2$.
    – N. F. Taussig
    Nov 29 '18 at 22:46












    Do you get what I'm saying though?
    – Xavier Stanton
    Nov 30 '18 at 1:06




    Do you get what I'm saying though?
    – Xavier Stanton
    Nov 30 '18 at 1:06











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    To properly answer you question, I need a graphing calculator. I don't have one, but I do have a scientific calculator, a CVS knock-off of a Sharp 2-line model.



    I pressed the negation key "+/-", the display shows "-0". So far so good. Then I press 5 and the display changes to "-5". But then I press the $x^2$ key and then "(-5)²" goes up on the top line of the display. So this calculator has clearly understood my button pushing to mean "$(-5)^2$", not "$-(5^2)$".



    Hmm... I wonder about reverse Polish... $(-5)^2$ would be $5 - 5 - times$, while $-(5^2)$ would be $0 , 5 , 5 times -$ (press Enter when you need to follow a number with another number).



    If Jerry Springer got involved in this debate, I think he would cap it off saying that "Ultimately, communication among humans is subject to the vagaries of shared experiences, and in those gaps, ambiguities creep in." Or something along those lines.






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      To properly answer you question, I need a graphing calculator. I don't have one, but I do have a scientific calculator, a CVS knock-off of a Sharp 2-line model.



      I pressed the negation key "+/-", the display shows "-0". So far so good. Then I press 5 and the display changes to "-5". But then I press the $x^2$ key and then "(-5)²" goes up on the top line of the display. So this calculator has clearly understood my button pushing to mean "$(-5)^2$", not "$-(5^2)$".



      Hmm... I wonder about reverse Polish... $(-5)^2$ would be $5 - 5 - times$, while $-(5^2)$ would be $0 , 5 , 5 times -$ (press Enter when you need to follow a number with another number).



      If Jerry Springer got involved in this debate, I think he would cap it off saying that "Ultimately, communication among humans is subject to the vagaries of shared experiences, and in those gaps, ambiguities creep in." Or something along those lines.






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        To properly answer you question, I need a graphing calculator. I don't have one, but I do have a scientific calculator, a CVS knock-off of a Sharp 2-line model.



        I pressed the negation key "+/-", the display shows "-0". So far so good. Then I press 5 and the display changes to "-5". But then I press the $x^2$ key and then "(-5)²" goes up on the top line of the display. So this calculator has clearly understood my button pushing to mean "$(-5)^2$", not "$-(5^2)$".



        Hmm... I wonder about reverse Polish... $(-5)^2$ would be $5 - 5 - times$, while $-(5^2)$ would be $0 , 5 , 5 times -$ (press Enter when you need to follow a number with another number).



        If Jerry Springer got involved in this debate, I think he would cap it off saying that "Ultimately, communication among humans is subject to the vagaries of shared experiences, and in those gaps, ambiguities creep in." Or something along those lines.






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        To properly answer you question, I need a graphing calculator. I don't have one, but I do have a scientific calculator, a CVS knock-off of a Sharp 2-line model.



        I pressed the negation key "+/-", the display shows "-0". So far so good. Then I press 5 and the display changes to "-5". But then I press the $x^2$ key and then "(-5)²" goes up on the top line of the display. So this calculator has clearly understood my button pushing to mean "$(-5)^2$", not "$-(5^2)$".



        Hmm... I wonder about reverse Polish... $(-5)^2$ would be $5 - 5 - times$, while $-(5^2)$ would be $0 , 5 , 5 times -$ (press Enter when you need to follow a number with another number).



        If Jerry Springer got involved in this debate, I think he would cap it off saying that "Ultimately, communication among humans is subject to the vagaries of shared experiences, and in those gaps, ambiguities creep in." Or something along those lines.







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        answered Dec 6 '18 at 5:22









        Robert SoupeRobert Soupe

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            By the rules of precedence, in mathematical notation $-5^2=-(5^2)$, not $(-5)^2$.



            For the same reason, $-5-5$ is not $(-5)(-5)$. No discussion.





            If this concerns calculator input, the answer is not unique.






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            • What would you say to "if you're assuming it's an operation you're bringing into question how you can ever write negative numbers"? I'm unsure of how to answer this one.
              – SzmatoPotato
              Nov 29 '18 at 22:13










            • @SzmatoPotato: sorry, I can't decipher your question.
              – Yves Daoust
              Nov 29 '18 at 22:15










            • I think they mean -5 implies (-5) the integer, and I'm unsure of how to dispute this.
              – SzmatoPotato
              Nov 29 '18 at 22:16










            • @SzmatoPotato: there are rules of precedence.
              – Yves Daoust
              Nov 29 '18 at 22:17
















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            By the rules of precedence, in mathematical notation $-5^2=-(5^2)$, not $(-5)^2$.



            For the same reason, $-5-5$ is not $(-5)(-5)$. No discussion.





            If this concerns calculator input, the answer is not unique.






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            • What would you say to "if you're assuming it's an operation you're bringing into question how you can ever write negative numbers"? I'm unsure of how to answer this one.
              – SzmatoPotato
              Nov 29 '18 at 22:13










            • @SzmatoPotato: sorry, I can't decipher your question.
              – Yves Daoust
              Nov 29 '18 at 22:15










            • I think they mean -5 implies (-5) the integer, and I'm unsure of how to dispute this.
              – SzmatoPotato
              Nov 29 '18 at 22:16










            • @SzmatoPotato: there are rules of precedence.
              – Yves Daoust
              Nov 29 '18 at 22:17














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            By the rules of precedence, in mathematical notation $-5^2=-(5^2)$, not $(-5)^2$.



            For the same reason, $-5-5$ is not $(-5)(-5)$. No discussion.





            If this concerns calculator input, the answer is not unique.






            share|cite|improve this answer














            By the rules of precedence, in mathematical notation $-5^2=-(5^2)$, not $(-5)^2$.



            For the same reason, $-5-5$ is not $(-5)(-5)$. No discussion.





            If this concerns calculator input, the answer is not unique.







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            answered Nov 29 '18 at 22:07









            Yves DaoustYves Daoust

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            • What would you say to "if you're assuming it's an operation you're bringing into question how you can ever write negative numbers"? I'm unsure of how to answer this one.
              – SzmatoPotato
              Nov 29 '18 at 22:13










            • @SzmatoPotato: sorry, I can't decipher your question.
              – Yves Daoust
              Nov 29 '18 at 22:15










            • I think they mean -5 implies (-5) the integer, and I'm unsure of how to dispute this.
              – SzmatoPotato
              Nov 29 '18 at 22:16










            • @SzmatoPotato: there are rules of precedence.
              – Yves Daoust
              Nov 29 '18 at 22:17


















            • What would you say to "if you're assuming it's an operation you're bringing into question how you can ever write negative numbers"? I'm unsure of how to answer this one.
              – SzmatoPotato
              Nov 29 '18 at 22:13










            • @SzmatoPotato: sorry, I can't decipher your question.
              – Yves Daoust
              Nov 29 '18 at 22:15










            • I think they mean -5 implies (-5) the integer, and I'm unsure of how to dispute this.
              – SzmatoPotato
              Nov 29 '18 at 22:16










            • @SzmatoPotato: there are rules of precedence.
              – Yves Daoust
              Nov 29 '18 at 22:17
















            What would you say to "if you're assuming it's an operation you're bringing into question how you can ever write negative numbers"? I'm unsure of how to answer this one.
            – SzmatoPotato
            Nov 29 '18 at 22:13




            What would you say to "if you're assuming it's an operation you're bringing into question how you can ever write negative numbers"? I'm unsure of how to answer this one.
            – SzmatoPotato
            Nov 29 '18 at 22:13












            @SzmatoPotato: sorry, I can't decipher your question.
            – Yves Daoust
            Nov 29 '18 at 22:15




            @SzmatoPotato: sorry, I can't decipher your question.
            – Yves Daoust
            Nov 29 '18 at 22:15












            I think they mean -5 implies (-5) the integer, and I'm unsure of how to dispute this.
            – SzmatoPotato
            Nov 29 '18 at 22:16




            I think they mean -5 implies (-5) the integer, and I'm unsure of how to dispute this.
            – SzmatoPotato
            Nov 29 '18 at 22:16












            @SzmatoPotato: there are rules of precedence.
            – Yves Daoust
            Nov 29 '18 at 22:17




            @SzmatoPotato: there are rules of precedence.
            – Yves Daoust
            Nov 29 '18 at 22:17


















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