Generalization of results obtained from a paper that may be “false”
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I am a PhD student in mathematics, currently working on an article (article A) from two leading researchers in my field published in an 0.72 Impact journal.
I have an idea to generalize their results and publish my first article (paper B) but I have two problems:
In one of the demonstrations of the newspaper A, they made a passage "crucial" which is not quite correct, according to several discussions with my supervisor .
What should I do with this situation? should I try to find another proof for the theorem and write it in a paper?
In the paper B, I will use theorems similar to those of Article A, but by weakening the assumptions assumed in A.
Do you think there is any chance that this can be considered plagiarism?
Any other advice about what to do in this situation is welcome, I would especially appreciate answers from mathematicians, as I have the impression that standard practices differ significantly from field to field.
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I am a PhD student in mathematics, currently working on an article (article A) from two leading researchers in my field published in an 0.72 Impact journal.
I have an idea to generalize their results and publish my first article (paper B) but I have two problems:
In one of the demonstrations of the newspaper A, they made a passage "crucial" which is not quite correct, according to several discussions with my supervisor .
What should I do with this situation? should I try to find another proof for the theorem and write it in a paper?
In the paper B, I will use theorems similar to those of Article A, but by weakening the assumptions assumed in A.
Do you think there is any chance that this can be considered plagiarism?
Any other advice about what to do in this situation is welcome, I would especially appreciate answers from mathematicians, as I have the impression that standard practices differ significantly from field to field.
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Plagiarism is about copy content without due attribution. If you give proper attribution it cannot be plagiarism. It might still be copyright infringement, but that's a completely separate thing from plagiarism.
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I am a PhD student in mathematics, currently working on an article (article A) from two leading researchers in my field published in an 0.72 Impact journal.
I have an idea to generalize their results and publish my first article (paper B) but I have two problems:
In one of the demonstrations of the newspaper A, they made a passage "crucial" which is not quite correct, according to several discussions with my supervisor .
What should I do with this situation? should I try to find another proof for the theorem and write it in a paper?
In the paper B, I will use theorems similar to those of Article A, but by weakening the assumptions assumed in A.
Do you think there is any chance that this can be considered plagiarism?
Any other advice about what to do in this situation is welcome, I would especially appreciate answers from mathematicians, as I have the impression that standard practices differ significantly from field to field.
publications phd mathematics
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I am a PhD student in mathematics, currently working on an article (article A) from two leading researchers in my field published in an 0.72 Impact journal.
I have an idea to generalize their results and publish my first article (paper B) but I have two problems:
In one of the demonstrations of the newspaper A, they made a passage "crucial" which is not quite correct, according to several discussions with my supervisor .
What should I do with this situation? should I try to find another proof for the theorem and write it in a paper?
In the paper B, I will use theorems similar to those of Article A, but by weakening the assumptions assumed in A.
Do you think there is any chance that this can be considered plagiarism?
Any other advice about what to do in this situation is welcome, I would especially appreciate answers from mathematicians, as I have the impression that standard practices differ significantly from field to field.
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Plagiarism is about copy content without due attribution. If you give proper attribution it cannot be plagiarism. It might still be copyright infringement, but that's a completely separate thing from plagiarism.
– Bakuriu
8 hours ago
add a comment |
Plagiarism is about copy content without due attribution. If you give proper attribution it cannot be plagiarism. It might still be copyright infringement, but that's a completely separate thing from plagiarism.
– Bakuriu
8 hours ago
Plagiarism is about copy content without due attribution. If you give proper attribution it cannot be plagiarism. It might still be copyright infringement, but that's a completely separate thing from plagiarism.
– Bakuriu
8 hours ago
Plagiarism is about copy content without due attribution. If you give proper attribution it cannot be plagiarism. It might still be copyright infringement, but that's a completely separate thing from plagiarism.
– Bakuriu
8 hours ago
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What should I do [when a published result contains a mistake]? should I try to find another proof for the theorem and write it in a paper?
You cannot use their result as-is, because it is incorrect. If their result is sufficiently interesting, then you could perhaps publish a paper that corrects their result, otherwise, you could include a correction in your paper before using the corrected result.
In the paper B, I will use theorems similar to those of Article A, but by weakening the assumptions assumed in A. Do you think there is any chance that this can be considered plagiarism?
No.
You should make it clear that the theorems introduced in Article A are incorrect, and you should clearly motivate the introduction of your similar theorems that correct the originals.
This isn't plagiarism.
The OP clarified their plagiarism concerns as follows:
my proofs will be similar to those used in paper A, except that I weakened the hypotheses.
Before stating your proof, you could explain "The following proof builds upon a proof by Original Authors [Theorem X, Paper A]," you could go further and explain "novel aspects appear in the first, third and fourth paragraphs" or "novel aspects will be highlighted in the proof" (with suitable highlighting in the proof, e.g., "this aspect is new," possibly parenthesised).
Thank you for your answer. to answer your why, my proofs will be similar to those used in paper A, except that I weakened the hypotheses. in short, my paper will be in the same form as A.
– Motaka
16 hours ago
Plagiarism is claiming that something is yours when it is actually due to another. You aren't doing that here in any way. So, no, it isn't plagiarism. The original authors may not be happy with you for using the same overall structure of the paper, but your citation makes the origination clear. It sounds like you have a perfectly valid generalization in mind, here.
– Buffy
15 hours ago
@Motaka Beyond what I have written above, you might like to consider bringing the original authors on-board as your co-authors.
– user2768
14 hours ago
@user2768 ok Thank you, I will take all that into consideration..
– Motaka
14 hours ago
1
Stating clearly and publicly that someone else's published theorem is wrong has political consequences that need to be taken into account. At the very least, OP needs to (a) make absolutely sure the mistake is crucial and not easily fixable, and (b) think about the most diplomatic way to point it out.
– user37208
10 hours ago
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I agree with the other answer that plagiarism isn't a concern, but I don't necessarily agree with "You should make it clear that the theorems introduced in Article A are incorrect." This could actually do bad things for your career if you don't tread carefully. I'm not saying you should hide the truth because of politics, but there's likely a middle ground here.
First, it's not clear from your question how bad the mistake is. You say:
they made a passage "crucial" which is not quite correct
I find this statement hard to parse, and would appreciate clarification. As you know, pretty much every published article has mistakes, even if they're just typos. And a mistake has to be much worse than a typo before the math community considers it a big deal. In my observation, any mistake that can be fixed with standard techniques is not considered serious. (In the sense that the authors will still get credit for proving the theorem, even if the mistake regrettably gets past peer review.) Admittedly, "standard techniques" is a blurry line, but you need to think about which side of it you're on, because the right course of action depends heavily on this.
If their proof is relatively easy to fix, then the theorem will be considered theirs, not yours, and you should sell your new paper accordingly in the introduction, i.e. focus on what's really new in it. Then give your own proof of their theorem (or whatever special case you need) "for completeness" with the mistake fixed. If you can also simplify the proof or its presentation, that will make editors and referees feel good about including it in your paper. At the point of the mistake, make a small remark like "we are not able to verify this step of the proof in [citation], so we have provided our own argument."
If the mistake is somewhere in the middle, I would err on the side of not treating it as a big deal, and do more or less as in the previous paragraph.
If the mistake is really crucial, your first step should be to contact the authors via email and ask about it. Preferably, you and your advisor would send a joint email. If they agree with your objection, give them your ideas for fixing the mistake, and offer/ask to work with them. If they don't agree, then you are in a difficult situation, and it's hard to give general advice. It would depend on how important the theorem is, how much work you've done on it already, who the people are, etc.
Thank you for that clear answer. In fact it is not a mistake of the type "1 + 1 = 3" which is false, but rather of the type "A implies B" which is false, but that does not mean that B is it. Our goal is to show B.
– Motaka
9 hours ago
2
+1 for "we are not able to verify this step of the proof in [citation], so we have provided our own argument." On several occasions I've seen a diplomatic statement similar to this.
– Dave L Renfro
9 hours ago
1
From one of my papers: "I found one step in this argument difficult to follow, so I'll describe the situation in somewhat more detail here."
– Andreas Blass
9 hours ago
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What should I do [when a published result contains a mistake]? should I try to find another proof for the theorem and write it in a paper?
You cannot use their result as-is, because it is incorrect. If their result is sufficiently interesting, then you could perhaps publish a paper that corrects their result, otherwise, you could include a correction in your paper before using the corrected result.
In the paper B, I will use theorems similar to those of Article A, but by weakening the assumptions assumed in A. Do you think there is any chance that this can be considered plagiarism?
No.
You should make it clear that the theorems introduced in Article A are incorrect, and you should clearly motivate the introduction of your similar theorems that correct the originals.
This isn't plagiarism.
The OP clarified their plagiarism concerns as follows:
my proofs will be similar to those used in paper A, except that I weakened the hypotheses.
Before stating your proof, you could explain "The following proof builds upon a proof by Original Authors [Theorem X, Paper A]," you could go further and explain "novel aspects appear in the first, third and fourth paragraphs" or "novel aspects will be highlighted in the proof" (with suitable highlighting in the proof, e.g., "this aspect is new," possibly parenthesised).
Thank you for your answer. to answer your why, my proofs will be similar to those used in paper A, except that I weakened the hypotheses. in short, my paper will be in the same form as A.
– Motaka
16 hours ago
Plagiarism is claiming that something is yours when it is actually due to another. You aren't doing that here in any way. So, no, it isn't plagiarism. The original authors may not be happy with you for using the same overall structure of the paper, but your citation makes the origination clear. It sounds like you have a perfectly valid generalization in mind, here.
– Buffy
15 hours ago
@Motaka Beyond what I have written above, you might like to consider bringing the original authors on-board as your co-authors.
– user2768
14 hours ago
@user2768 ok Thank you, I will take all that into consideration..
– Motaka
14 hours ago
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Stating clearly and publicly that someone else's published theorem is wrong has political consequences that need to be taken into account. At the very least, OP needs to (a) make absolutely sure the mistake is crucial and not easily fixable, and (b) think about the most diplomatic way to point it out.
– user37208
10 hours ago
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What should I do [when a published result contains a mistake]? should I try to find another proof for the theorem and write it in a paper?
You cannot use their result as-is, because it is incorrect. If their result is sufficiently interesting, then you could perhaps publish a paper that corrects their result, otherwise, you could include a correction in your paper before using the corrected result.
In the paper B, I will use theorems similar to those of Article A, but by weakening the assumptions assumed in A. Do you think there is any chance that this can be considered plagiarism?
No.
You should make it clear that the theorems introduced in Article A are incorrect, and you should clearly motivate the introduction of your similar theorems that correct the originals.
This isn't plagiarism.
The OP clarified their plagiarism concerns as follows:
my proofs will be similar to those used in paper A, except that I weakened the hypotheses.
Before stating your proof, you could explain "The following proof builds upon a proof by Original Authors [Theorem X, Paper A]," you could go further and explain "novel aspects appear in the first, third and fourth paragraphs" or "novel aspects will be highlighted in the proof" (with suitable highlighting in the proof, e.g., "this aspect is new," possibly parenthesised).
Thank you for your answer. to answer your why, my proofs will be similar to those used in paper A, except that I weakened the hypotheses. in short, my paper will be in the same form as A.
– Motaka
16 hours ago
Plagiarism is claiming that something is yours when it is actually due to another. You aren't doing that here in any way. So, no, it isn't plagiarism. The original authors may not be happy with you for using the same overall structure of the paper, but your citation makes the origination clear. It sounds like you have a perfectly valid generalization in mind, here.
– Buffy
15 hours ago
@Motaka Beyond what I have written above, you might like to consider bringing the original authors on-board as your co-authors.
– user2768
14 hours ago
@user2768 ok Thank you, I will take all that into consideration..
– Motaka
14 hours ago
1
Stating clearly and publicly that someone else's published theorem is wrong has political consequences that need to be taken into account. At the very least, OP needs to (a) make absolutely sure the mistake is crucial and not easily fixable, and (b) think about the most diplomatic way to point it out.
– user37208
10 hours ago
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up vote
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down vote
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up vote
15
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What should I do [when a published result contains a mistake]? should I try to find another proof for the theorem and write it in a paper?
You cannot use their result as-is, because it is incorrect. If their result is sufficiently interesting, then you could perhaps publish a paper that corrects their result, otherwise, you could include a correction in your paper before using the corrected result.
In the paper B, I will use theorems similar to those of Article A, but by weakening the assumptions assumed in A. Do you think there is any chance that this can be considered plagiarism?
No.
You should make it clear that the theorems introduced in Article A are incorrect, and you should clearly motivate the introduction of your similar theorems that correct the originals.
This isn't plagiarism.
The OP clarified their plagiarism concerns as follows:
my proofs will be similar to those used in paper A, except that I weakened the hypotheses.
Before stating your proof, you could explain "The following proof builds upon a proof by Original Authors [Theorem X, Paper A]," you could go further and explain "novel aspects appear in the first, third and fourth paragraphs" or "novel aspects will be highlighted in the proof" (with suitable highlighting in the proof, e.g., "this aspect is new," possibly parenthesised).
What should I do [when a published result contains a mistake]? should I try to find another proof for the theorem and write it in a paper?
You cannot use their result as-is, because it is incorrect. If their result is sufficiently interesting, then you could perhaps publish a paper that corrects their result, otherwise, you could include a correction in your paper before using the corrected result.
In the paper B, I will use theorems similar to those of Article A, but by weakening the assumptions assumed in A. Do you think there is any chance that this can be considered plagiarism?
No.
You should make it clear that the theorems introduced in Article A are incorrect, and you should clearly motivate the introduction of your similar theorems that correct the originals.
This isn't plagiarism.
The OP clarified their plagiarism concerns as follows:
my proofs will be similar to those used in paper A, except that I weakened the hypotheses.
Before stating your proof, you could explain "The following proof builds upon a proof by Original Authors [Theorem X, Paper A]," you could go further and explain "novel aspects appear in the first, third and fourth paragraphs" or "novel aspects will be highlighted in the proof" (with suitable highlighting in the proof, e.g., "this aspect is new," possibly parenthesised).
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Thank you for your answer. to answer your why, my proofs will be similar to those used in paper A, except that I weakened the hypotheses. in short, my paper will be in the same form as A.
– Motaka
16 hours ago
Plagiarism is claiming that something is yours when it is actually due to another. You aren't doing that here in any way. So, no, it isn't plagiarism. The original authors may not be happy with you for using the same overall structure of the paper, but your citation makes the origination clear. It sounds like you have a perfectly valid generalization in mind, here.
– Buffy
15 hours ago
@Motaka Beyond what I have written above, you might like to consider bringing the original authors on-board as your co-authors.
– user2768
14 hours ago
@user2768 ok Thank you, I will take all that into consideration..
– Motaka
14 hours ago
1
Stating clearly and publicly that someone else's published theorem is wrong has political consequences that need to be taken into account. At the very least, OP needs to (a) make absolutely sure the mistake is crucial and not easily fixable, and (b) think about the most diplomatic way to point it out.
– user37208
10 hours ago
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Thank you for your answer. to answer your why, my proofs will be similar to those used in paper A, except that I weakened the hypotheses. in short, my paper will be in the same form as A.
– Motaka
16 hours ago
Plagiarism is claiming that something is yours when it is actually due to another. You aren't doing that here in any way. So, no, it isn't plagiarism. The original authors may not be happy with you for using the same overall structure of the paper, but your citation makes the origination clear. It sounds like you have a perfectly valid generalization in mind, here.
– Buffy
15 hours ago
@Motaka Beyond what I have written above, you might like to consider bringing the original authors on-board as your co-authors.
– user2768
14 hours ago
@user2768 ok Thank you, I will take all that into consideration..
– Motaka
14 hours ago
1
Stating clearly and publicly that someone else's published theorem is wrong has political consequences that need to be taken into account. At the very least, OP needs to (a) make absolutely sure the mistake is crucial and not easily fixable, and (b) think about the most diplomatic way to point it out.
– user37208
10 hours ago
Thank you for your answer. to answer your why, my proofs will be similar to those used in paper A, except that I weakened the hypotheses. in short, my paper will be in the same form as A.
– Motaka
16 hours ago
Thank you for your answer. to answer your why, my proofs will be similar to those used in paper A, except that I weakened the hypotheses. in short, my paper will be in the same form as A.
– Motaka
16 hours ago
Plagiarism is claiming that something is yours when it is actually due to another. You aren't doing that here in any way. So, no, it isn't plagiarism. The original authors may not be happy with you for using the same overall structure of the paper, but your citation makes the origination clear. It sounds like you have a perfectly valid generalization in mind, here.
– Buffy
15 hours ago
Plagiarism is claiming that something is yours when it is actually due to another. You aren't doing that here in any way. So, no, it isn't plagiarism. The original authors may not be happy with you for using the same overall structure of the paper, but your citation makes the origination clear. It sounds like you have a perfectly valid generalization in mind, here.
– Buffy
15 hours ago
@Motaka Beyond what I have written above, you might like to consider bringing the original authors on-board as your co-authors.
– user2768
14 hours ago
@Motaka Beyond what I have written above, you might like to consider bringing the original authors on-board as your co-authors.
– user2768
14 hours ago
@user2768 ok Thank you, I will take all that into consideration..
– Motaka
14 hours ago
@user2768 ok Thank you, I will take all that into consideration..
– Motaka
14 hours ago
1
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Stating clearly and publicly that someone else's published theorem is wrong has political consequences that need to be taken into account. At the very least, OP needs to (a) make absolutely sure the mistake is crucial and not easily fixable, and (b) think about the most diplomatic way to point it out.
– user37208
10 hours ago
Stating clearly and publicly that someone else's published theorem is wrong has political consequences that need to be taken into account. At the very least, OP needs to (a) make absolutely sure the mistake is crucial and not easily fixable, and (b) think about the most diplomatic way to point it out.
– user37208
10 hours ago
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I agree with the other answer that plagiarism isn't a concern, but I don't necessarily agree with "You should make it clear that the theorems introduced in Article A are incorrect." This could actually do bad things for your career if you don't tread carefully. I'm not saying you should hide the truth because of politics, but there's likely a middle ground here.
First, it's not clear from your question how bad the mistake is. You say:
they made a passage "crucial" which is not quite correct
I find this statement hard to parse, and would appreciate clarification. As you know, pretty much every published article has mistakes, even if they're just typos. And a mistake has to be much worse than a typo before the math community considers it a big deal. In my observation, any mistake that can be fixed with standard techniques is not considered serious. (In the sense that the authors will still get credit for proving the theorem, even if the mistake regrettably gets past peer review.) Admittedly, "standard techniques" is a blurry line, but you need to think about which side of it you're on, because the right course of action depends heavily on this.
If their proof is relatively easy to fix, then the theorem will be considered theirs, not yours, and you should sell your new paper accordingly in the introduction, i.e. focus on what's really new in it. Then give your own proof of their theorem (or whatever special case you need) "for completeness" with the mistake fixed. If you can also simplify the proof or its presentation, that will make editors and referees feel good about including it in your paper. At the point of the mistake, make a small remark like "we are not able to verify this step of the proof in [citation], so we have provided our own argument."
If the mistake is somewhere in the middle, I would err on the side of not treating it as a big deal, and do more or less as in the previous paragraph.
If the mistake is really crucial, your first step should be to contact the authors via email and ask about it. Preferably, you and your advisor would send a joint email. If they agree with your objection, give them your ideas for fixing the mistake, and offer/ask to work with them. If they don't agree, then you are in a difficult situation, and it's hard to give general advice. It would depend on how important the theorem is, how much work you've done on it already, who the people are, etc.
Thank you for that clear answer. In fact it is not a mistake of the type "1 + 1 = 3" which is false, but rather of the type "A implies B" which is false, but that does not mean that B is it. Our goal is to show B.
– Motaka
9 hours ago
2
+1 for "we are not able to verify this step of the proof in [citation], so we have provided our own argument." On several occasions I've seen a diplomatic statement similar to this.
– Dave L Renfro
9 hours ago
1
From one of my papers: "I found one step in this argument difficult to follow, so I'll describe the situation in somewhat more detail here."
– Andreas Blass
9 hours ago
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
I agree with the other answer that plagiarism isn't a concern, but I don't necessarily agree with "You should make it clear that the theorems introduced in Article A are incorrect." This could actually do bad things for your career if you don't tread carefully. I'm not saying you should hide the truth because of politics, but there's likely a middle ground here.
First, it's not clear from your question how bad the mistake is. You say:
they made a passage "crucial" which is not quite correct
I find this statement hard to parse, and would appreciate clarification. As you know, pretty much every published article has mistakes, even if they're just typos. And a mistake has to be much worse than a typo before the math community considers it a big deal. In my observation, any mistake that can be fixed with standard techniques is not considered serious. (In the sense that the authors will still get credit for proving the theorem, even if the mistake regrettably gets past peer review.) Admittedly, "standard techniques" is a blurry line, but you need to think about which side of it you're on, because the right course of action depends heavily on this.
If their proof is relatively easy to fix, then the theorem will be considered theirs, not yours, and you should sell your new paper accordingly in the introduction, i.e. focus on what's really new in it. Then give your own proof of their theorem (or whatever special case you need) "for completeness" with the mistake fixed. If you can also simplify the proof or its presentation, that will make editors and referees feel good about including it in your paper. At the point of the mistake, make a small remark like "we are not able to verify this step of the proof in [citation], so we have provided our own argument."
If the mistake is somewhere in the middle, I would err on the side of not treating it as a big deal, and do more or less as in the previous paragraph.
If the mistake is really crucial, your first step should be to contact the authors via email and ask about it. Preferably, you and your advisor would send a joint email. If they agree with your objection, give them your ideas for fixing the mistake, and offer/ask to work with them. If they don't agree, then you are in a difficult situation, and it's hard to give general advice. It would depend on how important the theorem is, how much work you've done on it already, who the people are, etc.
Thank you for that clear answer. In fact it is not a mistake of the type "1 + 1 = 3" which is false, but rather of the type "A implies B" which is false, but that does not mean that B is it. Our goal is to show B.
– Motaka
9 hours ago
2
+1 for "we are not able to verify this step of the proof in [citation], so we have provided our own argument." On several occasions I've seen a diplomatic statement similar to this.
– Dave L Renfro
9 hours ago
1
From one of my papers: "I found one step in this argument difficult to follow, so I'll describe the situation in somewhat more detail here."
– Andreas Blass
9 hours ago
add a comment |
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I agree with the other answer that plagiarism isn't a concern, but I don't necessarily agree with "You should make it clear that the theorems introduced in Article A are incorrect." This could actually do bad things for your career if you don't tread carefully. I'm not saying you should hide the truth because of politics, but there's likely a middle ground here.
First, it's not clear from your question how bad the mistake is. You say:
they made a passage "crucial" which is not quite correct
I find this statement hard to parse, and would appreciate clarification. As you know, pretty much every published article has mistakes, even if they're just typos. And a mistake has to be much worse than a typo before the math community considers it a big deal. In my observation, any mistake that can be fixed with standard techniques is not considered serious. (In the sense that the authors will still get credit for proving the theorem, even if the mistake regrettably gets past peer review.) Admittedly, "standard techniques" is a blurry line, but you need to think about which side of it you're on, because the right course of action depends heavily on this.
If their proof is relatively easy to fix, then the theorem will be considered theirs, not yours, and you should sell your new paper accordingly in the introduction, i.e. focus on what's really new in it. Then give your own proof of their theorem (or whatever special case you need) "for completeness" with the mistake fixed. If you can also simplify the proof or its presentation, that will make editors and referees feel good about including it in your paper. At the point of the mistake, make a small remark like "we are not able to verify this step of the proof in [citation], so we have provided our own argument."
If the mistake is somewhere in the middle, I would err on the side of not treating it as a big deal, and do more or less as in the previous paragraph.
If the mistake is really crucial, your first step should be to contact the authors via email and ask about it. Preferably, you and your advisor would send a joint email. If they agree with your objection, give them your ideas for fixing the mistake, and offer/ask to work with them. If they don't agree, then you are in a difficult situation, and it's hard to give general advice. It would depend on how important the theorem is, how much work you've done on it already, who the people are, etc.
I agree with the other answer that plagiarism isn't a concern, but I don't necessarily agree with "You should make it clear that the theorems introduced in Article A are incorrect." This could actually do bad things for your career if you don't tread carefully. I'm not saying you should hide the truth because of politics, but there's likely a middle ground here.
First, it's not clear from your question how bad the mistake is. You say:
they made a passage "crucial" which is not quite correct
I find this statement hard to parse, and would appreciate clarification. As you know, pretty much every published article has mistakes, even if they're just typos. And a mistake has to be much worse than a typo before the math community considers it a big deal. In my observation, any mistake that can be fixed with standard techniques is not considered serious. (In the sense that the authors will still get credit for proving the theorem, even if the mistake regrettably gets past peer review.) Admittedly, "standard techniques" is a blurry line, but you need to think about which side of it you're on, because the right course of action depends heavily on this.
If their proof is relatively easy to fix, then the theorem will be considered theirs, not yours, and you should sell your new paper accordingly in the introduction, i.e. focus on what's really new in it. Then give your own proof of their theorem (or whatever special case you need) "for completeness" with the mistake fixed. If you can also simplify the proof or its presentation, that will make editors and referees feel good about including it in your paper. At the point of the mistake, make a small remark like "we are not able to verify this step of the proof in [citation], so we have provided our own argument."
If the mistake is somewhere in the middle, I would err on the side of not treating it as a big deal, and do more or less as in the previous paragraph.
If the mistake is really crucial, your first step should be to contact the authors via email and ask about it. Preferably, you and your advisor would send a joint email. If they agree with your objection, give them your ideas for fixing the mistake, and offer/ask to work with them. If they don't agree, then you are in a difficult situation, and it's hard to give general advice. It would depend on how important the theorem is, how much work you've done on it already, who the people are, etc.
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Thank you for that clear answer. In fact it is not a mistake of the type "1 + 1 = 3" which is false, but rather of the type "A implies B" which is false, but that does not mean that B is it. Our goal is to show B.
– Motaka
9 hours ago
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+1 for "we are not able to verify this step of the proof in [citation], so we have provided our own argument." On several occasions I've seen a diplomatic statement similar to this.
– Dave L Renfro
9 hours ago
1
From one of my papers: "I found one step in this argument difficult to follow, so I'll describe the situation in somewhat more detail here."
– Andreas Blass
9 hours ago
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Thank you for that clear answer. In fact it is not a mistake of the type "1 + 1 = 3" which is false, but rather of the type "A implies B" which is false, but that does not mean that B is it. Our goal is to show B.
– Motaka
9 hours ago
2
+1 for "we are not able to verify this step of the proof in [citation], so we have provided our own argument." On several occasions I've seen a diplomatic statement similar to this.
– Dave L Renfro
9 hours ago
1
From one of my papers: "I found one step in this argument difficult to follow, so I'll describe the situation in somewhat more detail here."
– Andreas Blass
9 hours ago
Thank you for that clear answer. In fact it is not a mistake of the type "1 + 1 = 3" which is false, but rather of the type "A implies B" which is false, but that does not mean that B is it. Our goal is to show B.
– Motaka
9 hours ago
Thank you for that clear answer. In fact it is not a mistake of the type "1 + 1 = 3" which is false, but rather of the type "A implies B" which is false, but that does not mean that B is it. Our goal is to show B.
– Motaka
9 hours ago
2
2
+1 for "we are not able to verify this step of the proof in [citation], so we have provided our own argument." On several occasions I've seen a diplomatic statement similar to this.
– Dave L Renfro
9 hours ago
+1 for "we are not able to verify this step of the proof in [citation], so we have provided our own argument." On several occasions I've seen a diplomatic statement similar to this.
– Dave L Renfro
9 hours ago
1
1
From one of my papers: "I found one step in this argument difficult to follow, so I'll describe the situation in somewhat more detail here."
– Andreas Blass
9 hours ago
From one of my papers: "I found one step in this argument difficult to follow, so I'll describe the situation in somewhat more detail here."
– Andreas Blass
9 hours ago
add a comment |
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Plagiarism is about copy content without due attribution. If you give proper attribution it cannot be plagiarism. It might still be copyright infringement, but that's a completely separate thing from plagiarism.
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