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I know that I have to find a $epsilon > 0$ s.t. |$frac{x^3-y^3}{x^2+y^2}$|<$epsilon$ whenever $0<sqrt{x^2+y^2}<delta$ but what are the steps to proving this?



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$|(x^3-y^3)|=$



$|(x-y)|(x^2+xy+y^2)|le$



$|x-y||x^2+y^2| +|xy|| le$



$|x-y||x^2+y^2| +|x|^2+|y|^2) le$



$2|x-y||x^2+y^2| le$



$ 2(|x|+|y|) (x^2+y^2)le$



$4 sqrt{x^2+y^2}(x^2+y^2)$.



Finally



$dfrac{|x^3-y^3|}{x^2+y^2} le 4sqrt{x^2+y^2}.$



Choose $delta =epsilon/4.$



Used: $x^2+y^2 ge 2|xy|;$



$|x| =sqrt{x^2} le sqrt{x^2+y^2}$,
$|y| =sqrt{y^2} le sqrt{x^2+y^2}$.






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    $$(forall y > 0 ~ exists r > 0 ~ forall bar x )~ 0 < | bar x - bar c | < r implies |f bar x - L| < y$$



    $(forall y > 0 ~ exists r > 0 ~ forall bar x )$ is equivalent to asking for the existence of a function $g$ that, given a maximum deviation from $L$, outputs the neighborhood $r$ that satisfies that maximum deviation. In other words, find the disc centered at $bar c$ with radius $g(y)$ such that every value of $f$ within that region is within $y$ of $L$. Symbolically:



    $$(exists g : mathbb R to mathbb R ~forall y > 0 ~ forall bar x) ~ 0 < | bar x - bar c | < g(y) implies |f bar x - L| < y$$



    Putting in the values for your problem:



    $$(exists g : mathbb R to mathbb R ~forall y > 0 ~ forall bar x) ~ 0 < | bar x | < g(y) implies left|frac{x_1{}^3 - x_2{}^3}{x_1{}^2 + x_2{}^2}right| < y$$



    or to put more tersely, find $g : mathbb R to mathbb R$ such that for $bar x ne (0, 0)$
    $$|bar x| < g(y) implies left|frac{x_1{}^3 - x_2{}^3}{x_1{}^2 + x_2{}^2}right| < y$$



    A polar substitution helps:



    $$r < g(y) implies left|frac{(rcos t)^3 - (rsin t)^3}{(rcos t)^2 + (rsin t)^2}right| < y$$



    Can you find the $g$ now? One more hint if you need it:




    $-1 le cos t, sin t le 1$







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      up vote
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      Numerator:



      $|(x^3-y^3)|=$



      $|(x-y)|(x^2+xy+y^2)|le$



      $|x-y||x^2+y^2| +|xy|| le$



      $|x-y||x^2+y^2| +|x|^2+|y|^2) le$



      $2|x-y||x^2+y^2| le$



      $ 2(|x|+|y|) (x^2+y^2)le$



      $4 sqrt{x^2+y^2}(x^2+y^2)$.



      Finally



      $dfrac{|x^3-y^3|}{x^2+y^2} le 4sqrt{x^2+y^2}.$



      Choose $delta =epsilon/4.$



      Used: $x^2+y^2 ge 2|xy|;$



      $|x| =sqrt{x^2} le sqrt{x^2+y^2}$,
      $|y| =sqrt{y^2} le sqrt{x^2+y^2}$.






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        up vote
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        accepted










        Numerator:



        $|(x^3-y^3)|=$



        $|(x-y)|(x^2+xy+y^2)|le$



        $|x-y||x^2+y^2| +|xy|| le$



        $|x-y||x^2+y^2| +|x|^2+|y|^2) le$



        $2|x-y||x^2+y^2| le$



        $ 2(|x|+|y|) (x^2+y^2)le$



        $4 sqrt{x^2+y^2}(x^2+y^2)$.



        Finally



        $dfrac{|x^3-y^3|}{x^2+y^2} le 4sqrt{x^2+y^2}.$



        Choose $delta =epsilon/4.$



        Used: $x^2+y^2 ge 2|xy|;$



        $|x| =sqrt{x^2} le sqrt{x^2+y^2}$,
        $|y| =sqrt{y^2} le sqrt{x^2+y^2}$.






        share|cite|improve this answer

























          up vote
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          down vote



          accepted







          up vote
          1
          down vote



          accepted






          Numerator:



          $|(x^3-y^3)|=$



          $|(x-y)|(x^2+xy+y^2)|le$



          $|x-y||x^2+y^2| +|xy|| le$



          $|x-y||x^2+y^2| +|x|^2+|y|^2) le$



          $2|x-y||x^2+y^2| le$



          $ 2(|x|+|y|) (x^2+y^2)le$



          $4 sqrt{x^2+y^2}(x^2+y^2)$.



          Finally



          $dfrac{|x^3-y^3|}{x^2+y^2} le 4sqrt{x^2+y^2}.$



          Choose $delta =epsilon/4.$



          Used: $x^2+y^2 ge 2|xy|;$



          $|x| =sqrt{x^2} le sqrt{x^2+y^2}$,
          $|y| =sqrt{y^2} le sqrt{x^2+y^2}$.






          share|cite|improve this answer














          Numerator:



          $|(x^3-y^3)|=$



          $|(x-y)|(x^2+xy+y^2)|le$



          $|x-y||x^2+y^2| +|xy|| le$



          $|x-y||x^2+y^2| +|x|^2+|y|^2) le$



          $2|x-y||x^2+y^2| le$



          $ 2(|x|+|y|) (x^2+y^2)le$



          $4 sqrt{x^2+y^2}(x^2+y^2)$.



          Finally



          $dfrac{|x^3-y^3|}{x^2+y^2} le 4sqrt{x^2+y^2}.$



          Choose $delta =epsilon/4.$



          Used: $x^2+y^2 ge 2|xy|;$



          $|x| =sqrt{x^2} le sqrt{x^2+y^2}$,
          $|y| =sqrt{y^2} le sqrt{x^2+y^2}$.







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              $$(forall y > 0 ~ exists r > 0 ~ forall bar x )~ 0 < | bar x - bar c | < r implies |f bar x - L| < y$$



              $(forall y > 0 ~ exists r > 0 ~ forall bar x )$ is equivalent to asking for the existence of a function $g$ that, given a maximum deviation from $L$, outputs the neighborhood $r$ that satisfies that maximum deviation. In other words, find the disc centered at $bar c$ with radius $g(y)$ such that every value of $f$ within that region is within $y$ of $L$. Symbolically:



              $$(exists g : mathbb R to mathbb R ~forall y > 0 ~ forall bar x) ~ 0 < | bar x - bar c | < g(y) implies |f bar x - L| < y$$



              Putting in the values for your problem:



              $$(exists g : mathbb R to mathbb R ~forall y > 0 ~ forall bar x) ~ 0 < | bar x | < g(y) implies left|frac{x_1{}^3 - x_2{}^3}{x_1{}^2 + x_2{}^2}right| < y$$



              or to put more tersely, find $g : mathbb R to mathbb R$ such that for $bar x ne (0, 0)$
              $$|bar x| < g(y) implies left|frac{x_1{}^3 - x_2{}^3}{x_1{}^2 + x_2{}^2}right| < y$$



              A polar substitution helps:



              $$r < g(y) implies left|frac{(rcos t)^3 - (rsin t)^3}{(rcos t)^2 + (rsin t)^2}right| < y$$



              Can you find the $g$ now? One more hint if you need it:




              $-1 le cos t, sin t le 1$







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                up vote
                0
                down vote













                $$(forall y > 0 ~ exists r > 0 ~ forall bar x )~ 0 < | bar x - bar c | < r implies |f bar x - L| < y$$



                $(forall y > 0 ~ exists r > 0 ~ forall bar x )$ is equivalent to asking for the existence of a function $g$ that, given a maximum deviation from $L$, outputs the neighborhood $r$ that satisfies that maximum deviation. In other words, find the disc centered at $bar c$ with radius $g(y)$ such that every value of $f$ within that region is within $y$ of $L$. Symbolically:



                $$(exists g : mathbb R to mathbb R ~forall y > 0 ~ forall bar x) ~ 0 < | bar x - bar c | < g(y) implies |f bar x - L| < y$$



                Putting in the values for your problem:



                $$(exists g : mathbb R to mathbb R ~forall y > 0 ~ forall bar x) ~ 0 < | bar x | < g(y) implies left|frac{x_1{}^3 - x_2{}^3}{x_1{}^2 + x_2{}^2}right| < y$$



                or to put more tersely, find $g : mathbb R to mathbb R$ such that for $bar x ne (0, 0)$
                $$|bar x| < g(y) implies left|frac{x_1{}^3 - x_2{}^3}{x_1{}^2 + x_2{}^2}right| < y$$



                A polar substitution helps:



                $$r < g(y) implies left|frac{(rcos t)^3 - (rsin t)^3}{(rcos t)^2 + (rsin t)^2}right| < y$$



                Can you find the $g$ now? One more hint if you need it:




                $-1 le cos t, sin t le 1$







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                  $$(forall y > 0 ~ exists r > 0 ~ forall bar x )~ 0 < | bar x - bar c | < r implies |f bar x - L| < y$$



                  $(forall y > 0 ~ exists r > 0 ~ forall bar x )$ is equivalent to asking for the existence of a function $g$ that, given a maximum deviation from $L$, outputs the neighborhood $r$ that satisfies that maximum deviation. In other words, find the disc centered at $bar c$ with radius $g(y)$ such that every value of $f$ within that region is within $y$ of $L$. Symbolically:



                  $$(exists g : mathbb R to mathbb R ~forall y > 0 ~ forall bar x) ~ 0 < | bar x - bar c | < g(y) implies |f bar x - L| < y$$



                  Putting in the values for your problem:



                  $$(exists g : mathbb R to mathbb R ~forall y > 0 ~ forall bar x) ~ 0 < | bar x | < g(y) implies left|frac{x_1{}^3 - x_2{}^3}{x_1{}^2 + x_2{}^2}right| < y$$



                  or to put more tersely, find $g : mathbb R to mathbb R$ such that for $bar x ne (0, 0)$
                  $$|bar x| < g(y) implies left|frac{x_1{}^3 - x_2{}^3}{x_1{}^2 + x_2{}^2}right| < y$$



                  A polar substitution helps:



                  $$r < g(y) implies left|frac{(rcos t)^3 - (rsin t)^3}{(rcos t)^2 + (rsin t)^2}right| < y$$



                  Can you find the $g$ now? One more hint if you need it:




                  $-1 le cos t, sin t le 1$







                  share|cite|improve this answer












                  $$(forall y > 0 ~ exists r > 0 ~ forall bar x )~ 0 < | bar x - bar c | < r implies |f bar x - L| < y$$



                  $(forall y > 0 ~ exists r > 0 ~ forall bar x )$ is equivalent to asking for the existence of a function $g$ that, given a maximum deviation from $L$, outputs the neighborhood $r$ that satisfies that maximum deviation. In other words, find the disc centered at $bar c$ with radius $g(y)$ such that every value of $f$ within that region is within $y$ of $L$. Symbolically:



                  $$(exists g : mathbb R to mathbb R ~forall y > 0 ~ forall bar x) ~ 0 < | bar x - bar c | < g(y) implies |f bar x - L| < y$$



                  Putting in the values for your problem:



                  $$(exists g : mathbb R to mathbb R ~forall y > 0 ~ forall bar x) ~ 0 < | bar x | < g(y) implies left|frac{x_1{}^3 - x_2{}^3}{x_1{}^2 + x_2{}^2}right| < y$$



                  or to put more tersely, find $g : mathbb R to mathbb R$ such that for $bar x ne (0, 0)$
                  $$|bar x| < g(y) implies left|frac{x_1{}^3 - x_2{}^3}{x_1{}^2 + x_2{}^2}right| < y$$



                  A polar substitution helps:



                  $$r < g(y) implies left|frac{(rcos t)^3 - (rsin t)^3}{(rcos t)^2 + (rsin t)^2}right| < y$$



                  Can you find the $g$ now? One more hint if you need it:




                  $-1 le cos t, sin t le 1$








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