How to handle disrespectful treatment at workplace?
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I joined in an organisation before 6 months as Ruby on Rails (ROR) Developer. I have complete experience as ROR Developer and with mid level front end skills. This organisation is wholly a JAVA based organisation where they have a small part build in ROR. That ROR part does not have much work for me to do hence I am being put in the JAVA projects so that I don't sit idle in office.
Also the people here have very good fluency in English and they are here for 5 - 10 years. My previous organisations are where your work speak for you. Here you have to speak for you. As I look very soft and struggle to speak good English they have decided that I am an under performer and treat me that way.
They behave like that I don't even exist in the team. If I ask, then they will assign tasks. Otherwise they won't. During Planning meetings, They don't even plan tasks for me or try to keep me occupied with work.
How to handle such situations?
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I joined in an organisation before 6 months as Ruby on Rails (ROR) Developer. I have complete experience as ROR Developer and with mid level front end skills. This organisation is wholly a JAVA based organisation where they have a small part build in ROR. That ROR part does not have much work for me to do hence I am being put in the JAVA projects so that I don't sit idle in office.
Also the people here have very good fluency in English and they are here for 5 - 10 years. My previous organisations are where your work speak for you. Here you have to speak for you. As I look very soft and struggle to speak good English they have decided that I am an under performer and treat me that way.
They behave like that I don't even exist in the team. If I ask, then they will assign tasks. Otherwise they won't. During Planning meetings, They don't even plan tasks for me or try to keep me occupied with work.
How to handle such situations?
colleagues team
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Which part exactly is 'disrespectful'? How do you know that they "decided" you are under performer? Did it come into your performance review? All you have mentioned is they do not plan task or assign task to you without approaching them. This may be due to their own inefficiency but not sure if you can call it disrespectful
– PagMax
15 hours ago
They planned task for everyone in the team except me. I was not present on the meeting day. So nobody even asked what is the plan for me for the next sprint. My manager or the lead or the colleagues no one.
– Suganya Selvarajan
15 hours ago
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Sounds like you need to speak up more.
– Joe Strazzere
12 hours ago
Apart from trying to get specific assignments, try tackling challenging bugs that require clever thinking more than specific familiarity with a (computer or human) language. Build a reputation as someone who gets important problems solved.
– Chris Stratton
7 hours ago
1
@Suganya why weren't you at the meeting? Do you think maybe that's why you weren't assigned anything?
– Kat
5 hours ago
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I joined in an organisation before 6 months as Ruby on Rails (ROR) Developer. I have complete experience as ROR Developer and with mid level front end skills. This organisation is wholly a JAVA based organisation where they have a small part build in ROR. That ROR part does not have much work for me to do hence I am being put in the JAVA projects so that I don't sit idle in office.
Also the people here have very good fluency in English and they are here for 5 - 10 years. My previous organisations are where your work speak for you. Here you have to speak for you. As I look very soft and struggle to speak good English they have decided that I am an under performer and treat me that way.
They behave like that I don't even exist in the team. If I ask, then they will assign tasks. Otherwise they won't. During Planning meetings, They don't even plan tasks for me or try to keep me occupied with work.
How to handle such situations?
colleagues team
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I joined in an organisation before 6 months as Ruby on Rails (ROR) Developer. I have complete experience as ROR Developer and with mid level front end skills. This organisation is wholly a JAVA based organisation where they have a small part build in ROR. That ROR part does not have much work for me to do hence I am being put in the JAVA projects so that I don't sit idle in office.
Also the people here have very good fluency in English and they are here for 5 - 10 years. My previous organisations are where your work speak for you. Here you have to speak for you. As I look very soft and struggle to speak good English they have decided that I am an under performer and treat me that way.
They behave like that I don't even exist in the team. If I ask, then they will assign tasks. Otherwise they won't. During Planning meetings, They don't even plan tasks for me or try to keep me occupied with work.
How to handle such situations?
colleagues team
colleagues team
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edited 10 hours ago
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Which part exactly is 'disrespectful'? How do you know that they "decided" you are under performer? Did it come into your performance review? All you have mentioned is they do not plan task or assign task to you without approaching them. This may be due to their own inefficiency but not sure if you can call it disrespectful
– PagMax
15 hours ago
They planned task for everyone in the team except me. I was not present on the meeting day. So nobody even asked what is the plan for me for the next sprint. My manager or the lead or the colleagues no one.
– Suganya Selvarajan
15 hours ago
8
Sounds like you need to speak up more.
– Joe Strazzere
12 hours ago
Apart from trying to get specific assignments, try tackling challenging bugs that require clever thinking more than specific familiarity with a (computer or human) language. Build a reputation as someone who gets important problems solved.
– Chris Stratton
7 hours ago
1
@Suganya why weren't you at the meeting? Do you think maybe that's why you weren't assigned anything?
– Kat
5 hours ago
add a comment |
9
Which part exactly is 'disrespectful'? How do you know that they "decided" you are under performer? Did it come into your performance review? All you have mentioned is they do not plan task or assign task to you without approaching them. This may be due to their own inefficiency but not sure if you can call it disrespectful
– PagMax
15 hours ago
They planned task for everyone in the team except me. I was not present on the meeting day. So nobody even asked what is the plan for me for the next sprint. My manager or the lead or the colleagues no one.
– Suganya Selvarajan
15 hours ago
8
Sounds like you need to speak up more.
– Joe Strazzere
12 hours ago
Apart from trying to get specific assignments, try tackling challenging bugs that require clever thinking more than specific familiarity with a (computer or human) language. Build a reputation as someone who gets important problems solved.
– Chris Stratton
7 hours ago
1
@Suganya why weren't you at the meeting? Do you think maybe that's why you weren't assigned anything?
– Kat
5 hours ago
9
9
Which part exactly is 'disrespectful'? How do you know that they "decided" you are under performer? Did it come into your performance review? All you have mentioned is they do not plan task or assign task to you without approaching them. This may be due to their own inefficiency but not sure if you can call it disrespectful
– PagMax
15 hours ago
Which part exactly is 'disrespectful'? How do you know that they "decided" you are under performer? Did it come into your performance review? All you have mentioned is they do not plan task or assign task to you without approaching them. This may be due to their own inefficiency but not sure if you can call it disrespectful
– PagMax
15 hours ago
They planned task for everyone in the team except me. I was not present on the meeting day. So nobody even asked what is the plan for me for the next sprint. My manager or the lead or the colleagues no one.
– Suganya Selvarajan
15 hours ago
They planned task for everyone in the team except me. I was not present on the meeting day. So nobody even asked what is the plan for me for the next sprint. My manager or the lead or the colleagues no one.
– Suganya Selvarajan
15 hours ago
8
8
Sounds like you need to speak up more.
– Joe Strazzere
12 hours ago
Sounds like you need to speak up more.
– Joe Strazzere
12 hours ago
Apart from trying to get specific assignments, try tackling challenging bugs that require clever thinking more than specific familiarity with a (computer or human) language. Build a reputation as someone who gets important problems solved.
– Chris Stratton
7 hours ago
Apart from trying to get specific assignments, try tackling challenging bugs that require clever thinking more than specific familiarity with a (computer or human) language. Build a reputation as someone who gets important problems solved.
– Chris Stratton
7 hours ago
1
1
@Suganya why weren't you at the meeting? Do you think maybe that's why you weren't assigned anything?
– Kat
5 hours ago
@Suganya why weren't you at the meeting? Do you think maybe that's why you weren't assigned anything?
– Kat
5 hours ago
add a comment |
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You cannot easily communicate and you're a junior in the technology they use. That makes it very easy for you to get sidelined, as you are. The first thing to do is fix the communication barrier; if you can't afford to get English lessons, you have to study on your own.
Then you need to become more proficient in Java so they start thinking of you more as a peer, rather than someone they have to make work for. Again, you have to study on your own here if they use a framework or technology you're not very good at.
But the point is, even if you become best Java developer in the team, it will still be hard for you if you can't communicate.
Finally, tell your boss / manager / team lead that you want to start contributing more. Tell them you're taking English lessons (if you are) and ask them for their help in getting up to speed. This means asking them what areas you can improve in, other than language and technology, and also to work with you in giving you tasks that help you prove yourself in the eyes of the team. And then do the same thing every 3 months or so to see how you're improving.
answered 16 hours ago
rath
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I was going to answer, but this is perfect +1 because communication is vital. If you don't have mastery over the language being spoken, you will be perceived as less intelligent. My family went through this, and everyone learned to become fluent.
– Richard U
12 hours ago
@RichardU To be fair, there is a difference between 'intelligent' and 'intelligible', I think most people know the difference, but it's hard for the person in question to tell because both involve dumbing down speech to be understood.
– Douwe
8 hours ago
3
@Douwe both with my own hearing, and my family's learning English, yes, they think you are less intelligent. I've had to deal with the whole "Deaf and dumb" thing my whole life.
– Richard U
8 hours ago
@Douwe Most people, when asked, would know the difference. In practice, people don't naturally treat non-native speakers as unintelligible intelligent people. This is clearly evident when compared to interactions involving translators.
– David S
5 hours ago
I agree with @RichardU. Maybe not directly unintelligent, but certainly uneducated.
– pipe
4 hours ago
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6 months isn't very long to break into a team if you're an outsider of some sort. Just work as professionally as you can, be friendly and helpful, don't get frustrated and you'll prove your worth eventually.
answered 16 hours ago
Kilisi
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6 months is long enough. I usually see a new dev with 1-2 years experience taking about three months to turn productivity positive. By six months, if they're not starting to run it's usually a bad sign. And this is in a highly niche, sci/tech crossover field with a steep learning curve. With that said, you can't expect performance like that by stuffing the new guy in the closet for six months with no work to do. Those first months need to be a boot camp.
– J...
12 hours ago
@J... - the answer is not talking about productivity. It clearly says "to break into a team".
– Davor
10 hours ago
@Davor I think those things are quite intimately related.
– J...
10 hours ago
@J... - well, as opinions go, I literally can't see any connection between concepts like productivity and social bonding.
– Davor
10 hours ago
@Davor Social bonding is only a minor aspect of "breaking into a team". It seems like OP is simply not being given anything to do. The point is that six months is plenty of time to break in. If it's not happening by then, it probably never will, and the warning signs should have been visible for a long time before that.
– J...
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A thing to be careful with is that while it doesn't hurt to ask for help, you shouldn't expect them to do it. Afterall, they have other team members they can easily communicate with and get work done but they have to put extra work in to communicate with you. In my personal experience, people will not put the extra work in for you. If anything, expect remedial work in such a situation as you currently are.
However, did you write this question yourself? If so it appears you have good command in writing english and perhaps good understanding. Can you ask your boss or manager if it is possible to communicate work to you in email or ticketing systems? Perhaps write your boss an email explaining you have trouble with understanding spoken english but you can understand written english much better.
answered 13 hours ago
Dan
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"If so it appears you have good command in writing english" - really? Mixing up "is" and "are" is at best high school level English. I would not consider it good enough to write professional emails.
– Davor
10 hours ago
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I have to disagree. Present/future tense mixups are fairly common. Heck, the amount of people I deal with in the workplace with college degrees and being born in the USA can't tell the difference between "your" and "you're."
– Dan
9 hours ago
@Dan It's not just about the number of mistakes, but also how someone structures their sentences and uses certain language constructs. Things like "My previous organisations are where your work speak for you" simply sound foreign to a native speaker. This is admittedly the hardest part to get right when learning a language - anybody with some experience could almost certainly figure out that my native tongue is German even though I've studied and lived in the US for a while and have C2 proficiency officially :-)
– Voo
5 hours ago
@Davor If op is in the states it's fine. Email is about creating a log of communication. That's it.
– Steve
5 hours ago
@Voo That phrasing is Southern. All it's missing is "iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice".
– Steve
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You cannot easily communicate and you're a junior in the technology they use. That makes it very easy for you to get sidelined, as you are. The first thing to do is fix the communication barrier; if you can't afford to get English lessons, you have to study on your own.
Then you need to become more proficient in Java so they start thinking of you more as a peer, rather than someone they have to make work for. Again, you have to study on your own here if they use a framework or technology you're not very good at.
But the point is, even if you become best Java developer in the team, it will still be hard for you if you can't communicate.
Finally, tell your boss / manager / team lead that you want to start contributing more. Tell them you're taking English lessons (if you are) and ask them for their help in getting up to speed. This means asking them what areas you can improve in, other than language and technology, and also to work with you in giving you tasks that help you prove yourself in the eyes of the team. And then do the same thing every 3 months or so to see how you're improving.
answered 16 hours ago
rath
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I was going to answer, but this is perfect +1 because communication is vital. If you don't have mastery over the language being spoken, you will be perceived as less intelligent. My family went through this, and everyone learned to become fluent.
– Richard U
12 hours ago
@RichardU To be fair, there is a difference between 'intelligent' and 'intelligible', I think most people know the difference, but it's hard for the person in question to tell because both involve dumbing down speech to be understood.
– Douwe
8 hours ago
3
@Douwe both with my own hearing, and my family's learning English, yes, they think you are less intelligent. I've had to deal with the whole "Deaf and dumb" thing my whole life.
– Richard U
8 hours ago
@Douwe Most people, when asked, would know the difference. In practice, people don't naturally treat non-native speakers as unintelligible intelligent people. This is clearly evident when compared to interactions involving translators.
– David S
5 hours ago
I agree with @RichardU. Maybe not directly unintelligent, but certainly uneducated.
– pipe
4 hours ago
|
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up vote
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You cannot easily communicate and you're a junior in the technology they use. That makes it very easy for you to get sidelined, as you are. The first thing to do is fix the communication barrier; if you can't afford to get English lessons, you have to study on your own.
Then you need to become more proficient in Java so they start thinking of you more as a peer, rather than someone they have to make work for. Again, you have to study on your own here if they use a framework or technology you're not very good at.
But the point is, even if you become best Java developer in the team, it will still be hard for you if you can't communicate.
Finally, tell your boss / manager / team lead that you want to start contributing more. Tell them you're taking English lessons (if you are) and ask them for their help in getting up to speed. This means asking them what areas you can improve in, other than language and technology, and also to work with you in giving you tasks that help you prove yourself in the eyes of the team. And then do the same thing every 3 months or so to see how you're improving.
answered 16 hours ago
rath
17k145386
5
I was going to answer, but this is perfect +1 because communication is vital. If you don't have mastery over the language being spoken, you will be perceived as less intelligent. My family went through this, and everyone learned to become fluent.
– Richard U
12 hours ago
@RichardU To be fair, there is a difference between 'intelligent' and 'intelligible', I think most people know the difference, but it's hard for the person in question to tell because both involve dumbing down speech to be understood.
– Douwe
8 hours ago
3
@Douwe both with my own hearing, and my family's learning English, yes, they think you are less intelligent. I've had to deal with the whole "Deaf and dumb" thing my whole life.
– Richard U
8 hours ago
@Douwe Most people, when asked, would know the difference. In practice, people don't naturally treat non-native speakers as unintelligible intelligent people. This is clearly evident when compared to interactions involving translators.
– David S
5 hours ago
I agree with @RichardU. Maybe not directly unintelligent, but certainly uneducated.
– pipe
4 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
up vote
46
down vote
up vote
46
down vote
You cannot easily communicate and you're a junior in the technology they use. That makes it very easy for you to get sidelined, as you are. The first thing to do is fix the communication barrier; if you can't afford to get English lessons, you have to study on your own.
Then you need to become more proficient in Java so they start thinking of you more as a peer, rather than someone they have to make work for. Again, you have to study on your own here if they use a framework or technology you're not very good at.
But the point is, even if you become best Java developer in the team, it will still be hard for you if you can't communicate.
Finally, tell your boss / manager / team lead that you want to start contributing more. Tell them you're taking English lessons (if you are) and ask them for their help in getting up to speed. This means asking them what areas you can improve in, other than language and technology, and also to work with you in giving you tasks that help you prove yourself in the eyes of the team. And then do the same thing every 3 months or so to see how you're improving.
answered 16 hours ago
rath
17k145386
You cannot easily communicate and you're a junior in the technology they use. That makes it very easy for you to get sidelined, as you are. The first thing to do is fix the communication barrier; if you can't afford to get English lessons, you have to study on your own.
Then you need to become more proficient in Java so they start thinking of you more as a peer, rather than someone they have to make work for. Again, you have to study on your own here if they use a framework or technology you're not very good at.
But the point is, even if you become best Java developer in the team, it will still be hard for you if you can't communicate.
Finally, tell your boss / manager / team lead that you want to start contributing more. Tell them you're taking English lessons (if you are) and ask them for their help in getting up to speed. This means asking them what areas you can improve in, other than language and technology, and also to work with you in giving you tasks that help you prove yourself in the eyes of the team. And then do the same thing every 3 months or so to see how you're improving.
answered 16 hours ago
rath
17k145386
answered 16 hours ago
rath
17k145386
answered 16 hours ago
rath
17k145386
answered 16 hours ago
rath
17k145386
17k145386
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I was going to answer, but this is perfect +1 because communication is vital. If you don't have mastery over the language being spoken, you will be perceived as less intelligent. My family went through this, and everyone learned to become fluent.
– Richard U
12 hours ago
@RichardU To be fair, there is a difference between 'intelligent' and 'intelligible', I think most people know the difference, but it's hard for the person in question to tell because both involve dumbing down speech to be understood.
– Douwe
8 hours ago
3
@Douwe both with my own hearing, and my family's learning English, yes, they think you are less intelligent. I've had to deal with the whole "Deaf and dumb" thing my whole life.
– Richard U
8 hours ago
@Douwe Most people, when asked, would know the difference. In practice, people don't naturally treat non-native speakers as unintelligible intelligent people. This is clearly evident when compared to interactions involving translators.
– David S
5 hours ago
I agree with @RichardU. Maybe not directly unintelligent, but certainly uneducated.
– pipe
4 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
5
I was going to answer, but this is perfect +1 because communication is vital. If you don't have mastery over the language being spoken, you will be perceived as less intelligent. My family went through this, and everyone learned to become fluent.
– Richard U
12 hours ago
@RichardU To be fair, there is a difference between 'intelligent' and 'intelligible', I think most people know the difference, but it's hard for the person in question to tell because both involve dumbing down speech to be understood.
– Douwe
8 hours ago
3
@Douwe both with my own hearing, and my family's learning English, yes, they think you are less intelligent. I've had to deal with the whole "Deaf and dumb" thing my whole life.
– Richard U
8 hours ago
@Douwe Most people, when asked, would know the difference. In practice, people don't naturally treat non-native speakers as unintelligible intelligent people. This is clearly evident when compared to interactions involving translators.
– David S
5 hours ago
I agree with @RichardU. Maybe not directly unintelligent, but certainly uneducated.
– pipe
4 hours ago
5
5
I was going to answer, but this is perfect +1 because communication is vital. If you don't have mastery over the language being spoken, you will be perceived as less intelligent. My family went through this, and everyone learned to become fluent.
– Richard U
12 hours ago
I was going to answer, but this is perfect +1 because communication is vital. If you don't have mastery over the language being spoken, you will be perceived as less intelligent. My family went through this, and everyone learned to become fluent.
– Richard U
12 hours ago
@RichardU To be fair, there is a difference between 'intelligent' and 'intelligible', I think most people know the difference, but it's hard for the person in question to tell because both involve dumbing down speech to be understood.
– Douwe
8 hours ago
@RichardU To be fair, there is a difference between 'intelligent' and 'intelligible', I think most people know the difference, but it's hard for the person in question to tell because both involve dumbing down speech to be understood.
– Douwe
8 hours ago
3
3
@Douwe both with my own hearing, and my family's learning English, yes, they think you are less intelligent. I've had to deal with the whole "Deaf and dumb" thing my whole life.
– Richard U
8 hours ago
@Douwe both with my own hearing, and my family's learning English, yes, they think you are less intelligent. I've had to deal with the whole "Deaf and dumb" thing my whole life.
– Richard U
8 hours ago
@Douwe Most people, when asked, would know the difference. In practice, people don't naturally treat non-native speakers as unintelligible intelligent people. This is clearly evident when compared to interactions involving translators.
– David S
5 hours ago
@Douwe Most people, when asked, would know the difference. In practice, people don't naturally treat non-native speakers as unintelligible intelligent people. This is clearly evident when compared to interactions involving translators.
– David S
5 hours ago
I agree with @RichardU. Maybe not directly unintelligent, but certainly uneducated.
– pipe
4 hours ago
I agree with @RichardU. Maybe not directly unintelligent, but certainly uneducated.
– pipe
4 hours ago
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6 months isn't very long to break into a team if you're an outsider of some sort. Just work as professionally as you can, be friendly and helpful, don't get frustrated and you'll prove your worth eventually.
answered 16 hours ago
Kilisi
111k61247429
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6 months is long enough. I usually see a new dev with 1-2 years experience taking about three months to turn productivity positive. By six months, if they're not starting to run it's usually a bad sign. And this is in a highly niche, sci/tech crossover field with a steep learning curve. With that said, you can't expect performance like that by stuffing the new guy in the closet for six months with no work to do. Those first months need to be a boot camp.
– J...
12 hours ago
@J... - the answer is not talking about productivity. It clearly says "to break into a team".
– Davor
10 hours ago
@Davor I think those things are quite intimately related.
– J...
10 hours ago
@J... - well, as opinions go, I literally can't see any connection between concepts like productivity and social bonding.
– Davor
10 hours ago
@Davor Social bonding is only a minor aspect of "breaking into a team". It seems like OP is simply not being given anything to do. The point is that six months is plenty of time to break in. If it's not happening by then, it probably never will, and the warning signs should have been visible for a long time before that.
– J...
10 hours ago
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2
down vote
6 months isn't very long to break into a team if you're an outsider of some sort. Just work as professionally as you can, be friendly and helpful, don't get frustrated and you'll prove your worth eventually.
answered 16 hours ago
Kilisi
111k61247429
1
6 months is long enough. I usually see a new dev with 1-2 years experience taking about three months to turn productivity positive. By six months, if they're not starting to run it's usually a bad sign. And this is in a highly niche, sci/tech crossover field with a steep learning curve. With that said, you can't expect performance like that by stuffing the new guy in the closet for six months with no work to do. Those first months need to be a boot camp.
– J...
12 hours ago
@J... - the answer is not talking about productivity. It clearly says "to break into a team".
– Davor
10 hours ago
@Davor I think those things are quite intimately related.
– J...
10 hours ago
@J... - well, as opinions go, I literally can't see any connection between concepts like productivity and social bonding.
– Davor
10 hours ago
@Davor Social bonding is only a minor aspect of "breaking into a team". It seems like OP is simply not being given anything to do. The point is that six months is plenty of time to break in. If it's not happening by then, it probably never will, and the warning signs should have been visible for a long time before that.
– J...
10 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
6 months isn't very long to break into a team if you're an outsider of some sort. Just work as professionally as you can, be friendly and helpful, don't get frustrated and you'll prove your worth eventually.
answered 16 hours ago
Kilisi
111k61247429
6 months isn't very long to break into a team if you're an outsider of some sort. Just work as professionally as you can, be friendly and helpful, don't get frustrated and you'll prove your worth eventually.
answered 16 hours ago
Kilisi
111k61247429
answered 16 hours ago
Kilisi
111k61247429
answered 16 hours ago
Kilisi
111k61247429
answered 16 hours ago
Kilisi
111k61247429
111k61247429
1
6 months is long enough. I usually see a new dev with 1-2 years experience taking about three months to turn productivity positive. By six months, if they're not starting to run it's usually a bad sign. And this is in a highly niche, sci/tech crossover field with a steep learning curve. With that said, you can't expect performance like that by stuffing the new guy in the closet for six months with no work to do. Those first months need to be a boot camp.
– J...
12 hours ago
@J... - the answer is not talking about productivity. It clearly says "to break into a team".
– Davor
10 hours ago
@Davor I think those things are quite intimately related.
– J...
10 hours ago
@J... - well, as opinions go, I literally can't see any connection between concepts like productivity and social bonding.
– Davor
10 hours ago
@Davor Social bonding is only a minor aspect of "breaking into a team". It seems like OP is simply not being given anything to do. The point is that six months is plenty of time to break in. If it's not happening by then, it probably never will, and the warning signs should have been visible for a long time before that.
– J...
10 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
1
6 months is long enough. I usually see a new dev with 1-2 years experience taking about three months to turn productivity positive. By six months, if they're not starting to run it's usually a bad sign. And this is in a highly niche, sci/tech crossover field with a steep learning curve. With that said, you can't expect performance like that by stuffing the new guy in the closet for six months with no work to do. Those first months need to be a boot camp.
– J...
12 hours ago
@J... - the answer is not talking about productivity. It clearly says "to break into a team".
– Davor
10 hours ago
@Davor I think those things are quite intimately related.
– J...
10 hours ago
@J... - well, as opinions go, I literally can't see any connection between concepts like productivity and social bonding.
– Davor
10 hours ago
@Davor Social bonding is only a minor aspect of "breaking into a team". It seems like OP is simply not being given anything to do. The point is that six months is plenty of time to break in. If it's not happening by then, it probably never will, and the warning signs should have been visible for a long time before that.
– J...
10 hours ago
1
1
6 months is long enough. I usually see a new dev with 1-2 years experience taking about three months to turn productivity positive. By six months, if they're not starting to run it's usually a bad sign. And this is in a highly niche, sci/tech crossover field with a steep learning curve. With that said, you can't expect performance like that by stuffing the new guy in the closet for six months with no work to do. Those first months need to be a boot camp.
– J...
12 hours ago
6 months is long enough. I usually see a new dev with 1-2 years experience taking about three months to turn productivity positive. By six months, if they're not starting to run it's usually a bad sign. And this is in a highly niche, sci/tech crossover field with a steep learning curve. With that said, you can't expect performance like that by stuffing the new guy in the closet for six months with no work to do. Those first months need to be a boot camp.
– J...
12 hours ago
@J... - the answer is not talking about productivity. It clearly says "to break into a team".
– Davor
10 hours ago
@J... - the answer is not talking about productivity. It clearly says "to break into a team".
– Davor
10 hours ago
@Davor I think those things are quite intimately related.
– J...
10 hours ago
@Davor I think those things are quite intimately related.
– J...
10 hours ago
@J... - well, as opinions go, I literally can't see any connection between concepts like productivity and social bonding.
– Davor
10 hours ago
@J... - well, as opinions go, I literally can't see any connection between concepts like productivity and social bonding.
– Davor
10 hours ago
@Davor Social bonding is only a minor aspect of "breaking into a team". It seems like OP is simply not being given anything to do. The point is that six months is plenty of time to break in. If it's not happening by then, it probably never will, and the warning signs should have been visible for a long time before that.
– J...
10 hours ago
@Davor Social bonding is only a minor aspect of "breaking into a team". It seems like OP is simply not being given anything to do. The point is that six months is plenty of time to break in. If it's not happening by then, it probably never will, and the warning signs should have been visible for a long time before that.
– J...
10 hours ago
|
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0
down vote
A thing to be careful with is that while it doesn't hurt to ask for help, you shouldn't expect them to do it. Afterall, they have other team members they can easily communicate with and get work done but they have to put extra work in to communicate with you. In my personal experience, people will not put the extra work in for you. If anything, expect remedial work in such a situation as you currently are.
However, did you write this question yourself? If so it appears you have good command in writing english and perhaps good understanding. Can you ask your boss or manager if it is possible to communicate work to you in email or ticketing systems? Perhaps write your boss an email explaining you have trouble with understanding spoken english but you can understand written english much better.
answered 13 hours ago
Dan
6,75221325
"If so it appears you have good command in writing english" - really? Mixing up "is" and "are" is at best high school level English. I would not consider it good enough to write professional emails.
– Davor
10 hours ago
1
I have to disagree. Present/future tense mixups are fairly common. Heck, the amount of people I deal with in the workplace with college degrees and being born in the USA can't tell the difference between "your" and "you're."
– Dan
9 hours ago
@Dan It's not just about the number of mistakes, but also how someone structures their sentences and uses certain language constructs. Things like "My previous organisations are where your work speak for you" simply sound foreign to a native speaker. This is admittedly the hardest part to get right when learning a language - anybody with some experience could almost certainly figure out that my native tongue is German even though I've studied and lived in the US for a while and have C2 proficiency officially :-)
– Voo
5 hours ago
@Davor If op is in the states it's fine. Email is about creating a log of communication. That's it.
– Steve
5 hours ago
@Voo That phrasing is Southern. All it's missing is "iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice".
– Steve
5 hours ago
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up vote
0
down vote
A thing to be careful with is that while it doesn't hurt to ask for help, you shouldn't expect them to do it. Afterall, they have other team members they can easily communicate with and get work done but they have to put extra work in to communicate with you. In my personal experience, people will not put the extra work in for you. If anything, expect remedial work in such a situation as you currently are.
However, did you write this question yourself? If so it appears you have good command in writing english and perhaps good understanding. Can you ask your boss or manager if it is possible to communicate work to you in email or ticketing systems? Perhaps write your boss an email explaining you have trouble with understanding spoken english but you can understand written english much better.
answered 13 hours ago
Dan
6,75221325
"If so it appears you have good command in writing english" - really? Mixing up "is" and "are" is at best high school level English. I would not consider it good enough to write professional emails.
– Davor
10 hours ago
1
I have to disagree. Present/future tense mixups are fairly common. Heck, the amount of people I deal with in the workplace with college degrees and being born in the USA can't tell the difference between "your" and "you're."
– Dan
9 hours ago
@Dan It's not just about the number of mistakes, but also how someone structures their sentences and uses certain language constructs. Things like "My previous organisations are where your work speak for you" simply sound foreign to a native speaker. This is admittedly the hardest part to get right when learning a language - anybody with some experience could almost certainly figure out that my native tongue is German even though I've studied and lived in the US for a while and have C2 proficiency officially :-)
– Voo
5 hours ago
@Davor If op is in the states it's fine. Email is about creating a log of communication. That's it.
– Steve
5 hours ago
@Voo That phrasing is Southern. All it's missing is "iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice".
– Steve
5 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
0
down vote
A thing to be careful with is that while it doesn't hurt to ask for help, you shouldn't expect them to do it. Afterall, they have other team members they can easily communicate with and get work done but they have to put extra work in to communicate with you. In my personal experience, people will not put the extra work in for you. If anything, expect remedial work in such a situation as you currently are.
However, did you write this question yourself? If so it appears you have good command in writing english and perhaps good understanding. Can you ask your boss or manager if it is possible to communicate work to you in email or ticketing systems? Perhaps write your boss an email explaining you have trouble with understanding spoken english but you can understand written english much better.
answered 13 hours ago
Dan
6,75221325
A thing to be careful with is that while it doesn't hurt to ask for help, you shouldn't expect them to do it. Afterall, they have other team members they can easily communicate with and get work done but they have to put extra work in to communicate with you. In my personal experience, people will not put the extra work in for you. If anything, expect remedial work in such a situation as you currently are.
However, did you write this question yourself? If so it appears you have good command in writing english and perhaps good understanding. Can you ask your boss or manager if it is possible to communicate work to you in email or ticketing systems? Perhaps write your boss an email explaining you have trouble with understanding spoken english but you can understand written english much better.
answered 13 hours ago
Dan
6,75221325
answered 13 hours ago
Dan
6,75221325
answered 13 hours ago
Dan
6,75221325
answered 13 hours ago
Dan
6,75221325
6,75221325
"If so it appears you have good command in writing english" - really? Mixing up "is" and "are" is at best high school level English. I would not consider it good enough to write professional emails.
– Davor
10 hours ago
1
I have to disagree. Present/future tense mixups are fairly common. Heck, the amount of people I deal with in the workplace with college degrees and being born in the USA can't tell the difference between "your" and "you're."
– Dan
9 hours ago
@Dan It's not just about the number of mistakes, but also how someone structures their sentences and uses certain language constructs. Things like "My previous organisations are where your work speak for you" simply sound foreign to a native speaker. This is admittedly the hardest part to get right when learning a language - anybody with some experience could almost certainly figure out that my native tongue is German even though I've studied and lived in the US for a while and have C2 proficiency officially :-)
– Voo
5 hours ago
@Davor If op is in the states it's fine. Email is about creating a log of communication. That's it.
– Steve
5 hours ago
@Voo That phrasing is Southern. All it's missing is "iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice".
– Steve
5 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
"If so it appears you have good command in writing english" - really? Mixing up "is" and "are" is at best high school level English. I would not consider it good enough to write professional emails.
– Davor
10 hours ago
1
I have to disagree. Present/future tense mixups are fairly common. Heck, the amount of people I deal with in the workplace with college degrees and being born in the USA can't tell the difference between "your" and "you're."
– Dan
9 hours ago
@Dan It's not just about the number of mistakes, but also how someone structures their sentences and uses certain language constructs. Things like "My previous organisations are where your work speak for you" simply sound foreign to a native speaker. This is admittedly the hardest part to get right when learning a language - anybody with some experience could almost certainly figure out that my native tongue is German even though I've studied and lived in the US for a while and have C2 proficiency officially :-)
– Voo
5 hours ago
@Davor If op is in the states it's fine. Email is about creating a log of communication. That's it.
– Steve
5 hours ago
@Voo That phrasing is Southern. All it's missing is "iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice".
– Steve
5 hours ago
"If so it appears you have good command in writing english" - really? Mixing up "is" and "are" is at best high school level English. I would not consider it good enough to write professional emails.
– Davor
10 hours ago
"If so it appears you have good command in writing english" - really? Mixing up "is" and "are" is at best high school level English. I would not consider it good enough to write professional emails.
– Davor
10 hours ago
1
1
I have to disagree. Present/future tense mixups are fairly common. Heck, the amount of people I deal with in the workplace with college degrees and being born in the USA can't tell the difference between "your" and "you're."
– Dan
9 hours ago
I have to disagree. Present/future tense mixups are fairly common. Heck, the amount of people I deal with in the workplace with college degrees and being born in the USA can't tell the difference between "your" and "you're."
– Dan
9 hours ago
@Dan It's not just about the number of mistakes, but also how someone structures their sentences and uses certain language constructs. Things like "My previous organisations are where your work speak for you" simply sound foreign to a native speaker. This is admittedly the hardest part to get right when learning a language - anybody with some experience could almost certainly figure out that my native tongue is German even though I've studied and lived in the US for a while and have C2 proficiency officially :-)
– Voo
5 hours ago
@Dan It's not just about the number of mistakes, but also how someone structures their sentences and uses certain language constructs. Things like "My previous organisations are where your work speak for you" simply sound foreign to a native speaker. This is admittedly the hardest part to get right when learning a language - anybody with some experience could almost certainly figure out that my native tongue is German even though I've studied and lived in the US for a while and have C2 proficiency officially :-)
– Voo
5 hours ago
@Davor If op is in the states it's fine. Email is about creating a log of communication. That's it.
– Steve
5 hours ago
@Davor If op is in the states it's fine. Email is about creating a log of communication. That's it.
– Steve
5 hours ago
@Voo That phrasing is Southern. All it's missing is "iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice".
– Steve
5 hours ago
@Voo That phrasing is Southern. All it's missing is "iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice".
– Steve
5 hours ago
|
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Which part exactly is 'disrespectful'? How do you know that they "decided" you are under performer? Did it come into your performance review? All you have mentioned is they do not plan task or assign task to you without approaching them. This may be due to their own inefficiency but not sure if you can call it disrespectful
– PagMax
15 hours ago
They planned task for everyone in the team except me. I was not present on the meeting day. So nobody even asked what is the plan for me for the next sprint. My manager or the lead or the colleagues no one.
– Suganya Selvarajan
15 hours ago
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Sounds like you need to speak up more.
– Joe Strazzere
12 hours ago
Apart from trying to get specific assignments, try tackling challenging bugs that require clever thinking more than specific familiarity with a (computer or human) language. Build a reputation as someone who gets important problems solved.
– Chris Stratton
7 hours ago
1
@Suganya why weren't you at the meeting? Do you think maybe that's why you weren't assigned anything?
– Kat
5 hours ago