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Place a different prime or square number on each of the fifteen disks below so that the number in any disk that lies on two others is the sum of the numbers in those disks. Do so in such a way that the number on the apex is as small as possible.



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  • Zero (as a square) allowed?
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    @z100 You could not use a zero, since $x + 0 = x$, and therefore you'd have to have two $x$'es in your grid; that is disallowed. See imgur.com/a/gPWWkaN for explanation.
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Place a different prime or square number on each of the fifteen disks below so that the number in any disk that lies on two others is the sum of the numbers in those disks. Do so in such a way that the number on the apex is as small as possible.



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  • is this something you composed yourself?
    – Kate Gregory
    2 days ago










  • @KateGregory: A variation on an old theme.
    – Bernardo Recamán Santos
    2 days ago










  • Zero (as a square) allowed?
    – z100
    2 days ago






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    @z100 You could not use a zero, since $x + 0 = x$, and therefore you'd have to have two $x$'es in your grid; that is disallowed. See imgur.com/a/gPWWkaN for explanation.
    – Hugh
    2 days ago















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Place a different prime or square number on each of the fifteen disks below so that the number in any disk that lies on two others is the sum of the numbers in those disks. Do so in such a way that the number on the apex is as small as possible.



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Place a different prime or square number on each of the fifteen disks below so that the number in any disk that lies on two others is the sum of the numbers in those disks. Do so in such a way that the number on the apex is as small as possible.



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  • is this something you composed yourself?
    – Kate Gregory
    2 days ago










  • @KateGregory: A variation on an old theme.
    – Bernardo Recamán Santos
    2 days ago










  • Zero (as a square) allowed?
    – z100
    2 days ago






  • 1




    @z100 You could not use a zero, since $x + 0 = x$, and therefore you'd have to have two $x$'es in your grid; that is disallowed. See imgur.com/a/gPWWkaN for explanation.
    – Hugh
    2 days ago




















  • is this something you composed yourself?
    – Kate Gregory
    2 days ago










  • @KateGregory: A variation on an old theme.
    – Bernardo Recamán Santos
    2 days ago










  • Zero (as a square) allowed?
    – z100
    2 days ago






  • 1




    @z100 You could not use a zero, since $x + 0 = x$, and therefore you'd have to have two $x$'es in your grid; that is disallowed. See imgur.com/a/gPWWkaN for explanation.
    – Hugh
    2 days ago


















is this something you composed yourself?
– Kate Gregory
2 days ago




is this something you composed yourself?
– Kate Gregory
2 days ago












@KateGregory: A variation on an old theme.
– Bernardo Recamán Santos
2 days ago




@KateGregory: A variation on an old theme.
– Bernardo Recamán Santos
2 days ago












Zero (as a square) allowed?
– z100
2 days ago




Zero (as a square) allowed?
– z100
2 days ago




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@z100 You could not use a zero, since $x + 0 = x$, and therefore you'd have to have two $x$'es in your grid; that is disallowed. See imgur.com/a/gPWWkaN for explanation.
– Hugh
2 days ago






@z100 You could not use a zero, since $x + 0 = x$, and therefore you'd have to have two $x$'es in your grid; that is disallowed. See imgur.com/a/gPWWkaN for explanation.
– Hugh
2 days ago












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A much lower upper bound, which I'm fairly sure is optimal (assuming 0 is disallowed).





              1669 
           576 || 1093 
       383 || 193 || 900 
    347 ||  36 || 157 || 743 
 324 || 23 ||  13 || 144 || 599






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  • Algorithm used extening the order? E.G.: 1st order: 1 ; 2nd order: 3 (1 2) ; 3rd order: 16 (3 13) (1 2 11) ; or 16 (13 3) (12 1 2) ;
    – z100
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  • @z100 I'm afraid I'm not sure what you're asking - could you clarify?
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    My own (extremely shameful, dirty, brute-force) code confirms this answer is optimal. I can also provide the smallest apex value for a 4-level tree, which is 23.
    – benj2240
    2 days ago






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    @BernardoRecamánSantos Oh! You're right, 23 isn't possible. I didn't notice that I had a duplicated 3... Dirty code leads to dirty bugs. Let me correct myself: The smallest apex value for a 4-level tree is 59.
    – benj2240
    yesterday






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    @benj2240: Yes, 59 is the lowest my students have achieved.
    – Bernardo Recamán Santos
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Alright, I’ve definitely got an upper bound here.




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                  390625 
             140625 || 250000 
         50625 || 90000 || 160000 
     18225 || 32400 || 57600 || 102400 
 6561 || 11664 || 20736 || 36864 || 65536



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this uses all square numbers, and is far from optimal. I’ll have to see if I can reduce it by using primes.







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    A much lower upper bound, which I'm fairly sure is optimal (assuming 0 is disallowed).





                  1669 
               576 || 1093 
           383 || 193 || 900 
        347 ||  36 || 157 || 743 
     324 || 23 ||  13 || 144 || 599






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    • Algorithm used extening the order? E.G.: 1st order: 1 ; 2nd order: 3 (1 2) ; 3rd order: 16 (3 13) (1 2 11) ; or 16 (13 3) (12 1 2) ;
      – z100
      2 days ago












    • @z100 I'm afraid I'm not sure what you're asking - could you clarify?
      – B. Mehta
      2 days ago






    • 1




      My own (extremely shameful, dirty, brute-force) code confirms this answer is optimal. I can also provide the smallest apex value for a 4-level tree, which is 23.
      – benj2240
      2 days ago






    • 1




      @BernardoRecamánSantos Oh! You're right, 23 isn't possible. I didn't notice that I had a duplicated 3... Dirty code leads to dirty bugs. Let me correct myself: The smallest apex value for a 4-level tree is 59.
      – benj2240
      yesterday






    • 1




      @benj2240: Yes, 59 is the lowest my students have achieved.
      – Bernardo Recamán Santos
      yesterday















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    A much lower upper bound, which I'm fairly sure is optimal (assuming 0 is disallowed).





                  1669 
               576 || 1093 
           383 || 193 || 900 
        347 ||  36 || 157 || 743 
     324 || 23 ||  13 || 144 || 599






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    • Algorithm used extening the order? E.G.: 1st order: 1 ; 2nd order: 3 (1 2) ; 3rd order: 16 (3 13) (1 2 11) ; or 16 (13 3) (12 1 2) ;
      – z100
      2 days ago












    • @z100 I'm afraid I'm not sure what you're asking - could you clarify?
      – B. Mehta
      2 days ago






    • 1




      My own (extremely shameful, dirty, brute-force) code confirms this answer is optimal. I can also provide the smallest apex value for a 4-level tree, which is 23.
      – benj2240
      2 days ago






    • 1




      @BernardoRecamánSantos Oh! You're right, 23 isn't possible. I didn't notice that I had a duplicated 3... Dirty code leads to dirty bugs. Let me correct myself: The smallest apex value for a 4-level tree is 59.
      – benj2240
      yesterday






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      @benj2240: Yes, 59 is the lowest my students have achieved.
      – Bernardo Recamán Santos
      yesterday













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    A much lower upper bound, which I'm fairly sure is optimal (assuming 0 is disallowed).





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               576 || 1093 
           383 || 193 || 900 
        347 ||  36 || 157 || 743 
     324 || 23 ||  13 || 144 || 599






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    A much lower upper bound, which I'm fairly sure is optimal (assuming 0 is disallowed).





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               576 || 1093 
           383 || 193 || 900 
        347 ||  36 || 157 || 743 
     324 || 23 ||  13 || 144 || 599







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    • Algorithm used extening the order? E.G.: 1st order: 1 ; 2nd order: 3 (1 2) ; 3rd order: 16 (3 13) (1 2 11) ; or 16 (13 3) (12 1 2) ;
      – z100
      2 days ago












    • @z100 I'm afraid I'm not sure what you're asking - could you clarify?
      – B. Mehta
      2 days ago






    • 1




      My own (extremely shameful, dirty, brute-force) code confirms this answer is optimal. I can also provide the smallest apex value for a 4-level tree, which is 23.
      – benj2240
      2 days ago






    • 1




      @BernardoRecamánSantos Oh! You're right, 23 isn't possible. I didn't notice that I had a duplicated 3... Dirty code leads to dirty bugs. Let me correct myself: The smallest apex value for a 4-level tree is 59.
      – benj2240
      yesterday






    • 1




      @benj2240: Yes, 59 is the lowest my students have achieved.
      – Bernardo Recamán Santos
      yesterday


















    • Algorithm used extening the order? E.G.: 1st order: 1 ; 2nd order: 3 (1 2) ; 3rd order: 16 (3 13) (1 2 11) ; or 16 (13 3) (12 1 2) ;
      – z100
      2 days ago












    • @z100 I'm afraid I'm not sure what you're asking - could you clarify?
      – B. Mehta
      2 days ago






    • 1




      My own (extremely shameful, dirty, brute-force) code confirms this answer is optimal. I can also provide the smallest apex value for a 4-level tree, which is 23.
      – benj2240
      2 days ago






    • 1




      @BernardoRecamánSantos Oh! You're right, 23 isn't possible. I didn't notice that I had a duplicated 3... Dirty code leads to dirty bugs. Let me correct myself: The smallest apex value for a 4-level tree is 59.
      – benj2240
      yesterday






    • 1




      @benj2240: Yes, 59 is the lowest my students have achieved.
      – Bernardo Recamán Santos
      yesterday
















    Algorithm used extening the order? E.G.: 1st order: 1 ; 2nd order: 3 (1 2) ; 3rd order: 16 (3 13) (1 2 11) ; or 16 (13 3) (12 1 2) ;
    – z100
    2 days ago






    Algorithm used extening the order? E.G.: 1st order: 1 ; 2nd order: 3 (1 2) ; 3rd order: 16 (3 13) (1 2 11) ; or 16 (13 3) (12 1 2) ;
    – z100
    2 days ago














    @z100 I'm afraid I'm not sure what you're asking - could you clarify?
    – B. Mehta
    2 days ago




    @z100 I'm afraid I'm not sure what you're asking - could you clarify?
    – B. Mehta
    2 days ago




    1




    1




    My own (extremely shameful, dirty, brute-force) code confirms this answer is optimal. I can also provide the smallest apex value for a 4-level tree, which is 23.
    – benj2240
    2 days ago




    My own (extremely shameful, dirty, brute-force) code confirms this answer is optimal. I can also provide the smallest apex value for a 4-level tree, which is 23.
    – benj2240
    2 days ago




    1




    1




    @BernardoRecamánSantos Oh! You're right, 23 isn't possible. I didn't notice that I had a duplicated 3... Dirty code leads to dirty bugs. Let me correct myself: The smallest apex value for a 4-level tree is 59.
    – benj2240
    yesterday




    @BernardoRecamánSantos Oh! You're right, 23 isn't possible. I didn't notice that I had a duplicated 3... Dirty code leads to dirty bugs. Let me correct myself: The smallest apex value for a 4-level tree is 59.
    – benj2240
    yesterday




    1




    1




    @benj2240: Yes, 59 is the lowest my students have achieved.
    – Bernardo Recamán Santos
    yesterday




    @benj2240: Yes, 59 is the lowest my students have achieved.
    – Bernardo Recamán Santos
    yesterday










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    Alright, I’ve definitely got an upper bound here.




    enter image description here




    In text:





                      390625 
                 140625 || 250000 
             50625 || 90000 || 160000 
         18225 || 32400 || 57600 || 102400 
     6561 || 11664 || 20736 || 36864 || 65536



    However,




    this uses all square numbers, and is far from optimal. I’ll have to see if I can reduce it by using primes.







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      up vote
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      Alright, I’ve definitely got an upper bound here.




      enter image description here




      In text:





                        390625 
                   140625 || 250000 
               50625 || 90000 || 160000 
           18225 || 32400 || 57600 || 102400 
       6561 || 11664 || 20736 || 36864 || 65536



      However,




      this uses all square numbers, and is far from optimal. I’ll have to see if I can reduce it by using primes.







      share|improve this answer

























        up vote
        5
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        up vote
        5
        down vote









        Alright, I’ve definitely got an upper bound here.




        enter image description here




        In text:





                          390625 
                     140625 || 250000 
                 50625 || 90000 || 160000 
             18225 || 32400 || 57600 || 102400 
         6561 || 11664 || 20736 || 36864 || 65536



        However,




        this uses all square numbers, and is far from optimal. I’ll have to see if I can reduce it by using primes.







        share|improve this answer














        Alright, I’ve definitely got an upper bound here.




        enter image description here




        In text:





                          390625 
                     140625 || 250000 
                 50625 || 90000 || 160000 
             18225 || 32400 || 57600 || 102400 
         6561 || 11664 || 20736 || 36864 || 65536



        However,




        this uses all square numbers, and is far from optimal. I’ll have to see if I can reduce it by using primes.








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