Could Gandalf not have made his own One Ring?
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Sauron created The One Ring to gain control over the other ring-bearers, but it also amplified his power. Since it's a bad idea for anyone to claim The One Ring, wouldn't it be possible for Gandalf to create his own One Ring?
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Sauron created The One Ring to gain control over the other ring-bearers, but it also amplified his power. Since it's a bad idea for anyone to claim The One Ring, wouldn't it be possible for Gandalf to create his own One Ring?
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I think Gandalf the white would have the power and knowledge required but he wasn't allowed by the valar to challenge sauron directly
– TerranGaming
16 hours ago
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Maybe not the knowledge. Sauron, before joining Morgoth, was one of Aule's Maiar and would have been more specialized in making things like that. Of the Wizards, on Saruman shares a similar background.
– suchiuomizu
15 hours ago
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I agree - He should just have madeThe Other Ring, to rule nearly all
– Stender
15 hours ago
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Having more of these rings is kinda the opposite of what they were trying to accomplish.
– Misha R
14 hours ago
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@Parrotmaster Well, the One Ring was made to covertly establish control over others, which is something we see as innately evil. An alternative to a controlling ring would be an inspiring ring, but Gandalf already had one of those. And if it's just a matter of creating an overt powerful weapon, then there's no reason for it to be specifically a ring.
– Misha R
14 hours ago
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Sauron created The One Ring to gain control over the other ring-bearers, but it also amplified his power. Since it's a bad idea for anyone to claim The One Ring, wouldn't it be possible for Gandalf to create his own One Ring?
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Sauron created The One Ring to gain control over the other ring-bearers, but it also amplified his power. Since it's a bad idea for anyone to claim The One Ring, wouldn't it be possible for Gandalf to create his own One Ring?
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I think Gandalf the white would have the power and knowledge required but he wasn't allowed by the valar to challenge sauron directly
– TerranGaming
16 hours ago
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Maybe not the knowledge. Sauron, before joining Morgoth, was one of Aule's Maiar and would have been more specialized in making things like that. Of the Wizards, on Saruman shares a similar background.
– suchiuomizu
15 hours ago
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I agree - He should just have madeThe Other Ring, to rule nearly all
– Stender
15 hours ago
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Having more of these rings is kinda the opposite of what they were trying to accomplish.
– Misha R
14 hours ago
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@Parrotmaster Well, the One Ring was made to covertly establish control over others, which is something we see as innately evil. An alternative to a controlling ring would be an inspiring ring, but Gandalf already had one of those. And if it's just a matter of creating an overt powerful weapon, then there's no reason for it to be specifically a ring.
– Misha R
14 hours ago
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I think Gandalf the white would have the power and knowledge required but he wasn't allowed by the valar to challenge sauron directly
– TerranGaming
16 hours ago
9
Maybe not the knowledge. Sauron, before joining Morgoth, was one of Aule's Maiar and would have been more specialized in making things like that. Of the Wizards, on Saruman shares a similar background.
– suchiuomizu
15 hours ago
7
I agree - He should just have madeThe Other Ring, to rule nearly all
– Stender
15 hours ago
4
Having more of these rings is kinda the opposite of what they were trying to accomplish.
– Misha R
14 hours ago
4
@Parrotmaster Well, the One Ring was made to covertly establish control over others, which is something we see as innately evil. An alternative to a controlling ring would be an inspiring ring, but Gandalf already had one of those. And if it's just a matter of creating an overt powerful weapon, then there's no reason for it to be specifically a ring.
– Misha R
14 hours ago
I think Gandalf the white would have the power and knowledge required but he wasn't allowed by the valar to challenge sauron directly
– TerranGaming
16 hours ago
I think Gandalf the white would have the power and knowledge required but he wasn't allowed by the valar to challenge sauron directly
– TerranGaming
16 hours ago
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Maybe not the knowledge. Sauron, before joining Morgoth, was one of Aule's Maiar and would have been more specialized in making things like that. Of the Wizards, on Saruman shares a similar background.
– suchiuomizu
15 hours ago
Maybe not the knowledge. Sauron, before joining Morgoth, was one of Aule's Maiar and would have been more specialized in making things like that. Of the Wizards, on Saruman shares a similar background.
– suchiuomizu
15 hours ago
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7
I agree - He should just have made
The Other Ring, to rule nearly all
– Stender
15 hours ago
I agree - He should just have made
The Other Ring, to rule nearly all
– Stender
15 hours ago
4
4
Having more of these rings is kinda the opposite of what they were trying to accomplish.
– Misha R
14 hours ago
Having more of these rings is kinda the opposite of what they were trying to accomplish.
– Misha R
14 hours ago
4
4
@Parrotmaster Well, the One Ring was made to covertly establish control over others, which is something we see as innately evil. An alternative to a controlling ring would be an inspiring ring, but Gandalf already had one of those. And if it's just a matter of creating an overt powerful weapon, then there's no reason for it to be specifically a ring.
– Misha R
14 hours ago
@Parrotmaster Well, the One Ring was made to covertly establish control over others, which is something we see as innately evil. An alternative to a controlling ring would be an inspiring ring, but Gandalf already had one of those. And if it's just a matter of creating an overt powerful weapon, then there's no reason for it to be specifically a ring.
– Misha R
14 hours ago
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In the foreword to Lord of the Rings, Tolkien observes:
Saruman, failing to get possession of the Ring, would in the confusion and treacheries of the time have found in Mordor the missing links in his own researches into Ring-lore, and before long he would have made a Great Ring of his own with which to challenge the self-styled Ruler of Middle-earth.
Tolkien therefore definitely conceives of Saruman as being capable of making a Ring, and therefore Gandalf would presumably have been likewise capable.
However, what we can also take from that statement is that making a Ring is not a simple task; there is some "lore" involved, and we know from elsewhere that Saruman had made especial study of the Rings of Power, but yet Tolkien states that even he would have required knowledge found only in Mordor to complete his own work.
So, to summarise:
- Yes, but,
- It's neither quick nor easy, because,
- There is considerable "lore" involved, and,
- It requires hundreds or even thousands of years of dedicated study to get to a "Saruman-level" of "lore", and,
- Even then there will be missing knowledge which may only be found in Mordor.
- So for all practical purposes it's actually "No".
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It seems clear from the Appendices that Celebrimbor needed Sauron's help to learn to make even the lesser rings -- further evidence that it was hard.
– Mark Olson
13 hours ago
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As mentioned in my comment to the question itself. Sauron and Saruman both started out as Maiar of Aule. This could have given both of them skill/knowledge (and possibly natural talent) in crafting things like this that Gandalf might not have possessed even if he wanted to.
– suchiuomizu
13 hours ago
1
@suchiuomizu Gandalf was also one of the Maiar, though your point stands regardless.
– Spitemaster
6 hours ago
1
@Spitemaster, Gandalf was a Maiar of Manwe (the winds), and associated with Irmo (visions and dreams) and Nienna (mercy). That produces a rather different skillset than associating with Aule (smithing, craftsmanship).
– Mark
5 hours ago
I'd also like to add that all rings are subject to The One Ring, regardless of their circumstance. The Three rings of the Elves were constructed without any assistance from Sauron, and yet they still fell under it's dominion. All magic rings do. Gandalf would know this. Why make a set of chains to wear just so Sauron can lead you around by them, if he wins?
– BoredBsee
4 hours ago
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I doubt it.
Going through all the artifacts throughout the books, the knowledge of forging great magical artifacts seems to mainly originate from the Vala Aulë.
- Sauron (and Saruman) was originally a Maia of Aulë.
- The greatest craftsman through the ages, Fëanor, was a student of Aulë.
- The knowledge of making the elven rings came from Annatar/Sauron. But knowledge was likely also passed down from Fëanor, to his son Curufin, to his son Celebrimbor.
The recurring pattern in the making of almost all magical artifacts in the books, is great smithing skill.
Sauron, Fëanor and Celebrimbor were all skilled mastersmiths. The most powerful artifacts of Middle-Earth through the ages were made by these three. When it comes to the creation of magical items, craft in smithing seems to be an important skill, perhaps more so than knowledge of magic and lore.
There is no indication throughout the books that Gandalf, or anyone else but the mentioned three characters would have the ability to forge major magical artifacts like the Silmarils, the Palatíri or the Rings of Power. Even the Phial of Galadriel originates from Fëanor, as all Galadriel did was to capture the light of a Silmaril.
No elves outside the House of Fëanor attempt to make major artifacts. Neither does anyone of the other races, save for Sauron. Minor magical aritfacts like the swords Anglachel or Glamdring can evidently be made by other skilled smiths.
The necklace Nauglamír was made by dwarves - the children of Aulë and skilled smiths - but it doesn't seem to have any magical abilities beyond beauty. Similarly, dwarven items made of Mithril seem to be both beautiful and of extra-ordinary high quality, but not necessarily magical.
It's Palantír, not Palatíri
– Rui F Ribeiro
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@RuiFRibeiro Plural palantíri. No need to capitalize.
– Rich
3 hours ago
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It's rather like building your own computer. You may know the theory, but you really need a certain industrial base to support a silicon fab plant. So Gandalf might know how a Ring is made, but he can't just wish it into being. He (or anyone) needs all that supporting infrastructure that really doesn't exist in the Third Age.
The more interesting question, now that I think on it, is why Sauron didn't make more rings. Even if they're not nearly as powerful as the One Ring, they'd still be useful. He seems to have the industrial base in Mordor, and is said to still use the fires of the Sammath Naur on occasion...
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The only infrastructure needed seems to be a hot forge...? Or in case of the One Ring, Mount Doom, which does exist in the third age. What claim do you have for anything else being needed?
– Amarth
9 hours ago
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The rings made by Sauron, and specifically the One Ring did not give Sauron extra raw power, they were a method of applying his existing, innate power over men, dwarves and elves. The rings did not amplify Sauron's power, they attempted to apply it more effectively. (This did not work completely as intended on the dwarves and elves of course, and it enabled Sauron to eventually be destroyed).
Sauron put a lot of himself and his power into the rings. You could almost say the rings were a part of Sauron. The rings are rings 'of power' because they give the wearer some of Sauron's power.
If Saruman could make similar rings he would have used them in the same way - to attempt to control his own men and orcs.
If Gandalf made a ring or rings, he would not be any more powerful in total, as he'd have to put his own power into them. If he did make rings, the effect on a wearer would probably just be to make them like hobbits a bit more.
You deserve more upvotes for the last paragraph alone. Otherwise, you've answered the question completely.
– Rich
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There are two aspects of the One Ring.
- It is a ring of power
- It Rules Them All (the 9, the 7, and the 3)
The other answers address Gandalf making a ring of power in general.
The thing that makes the One special is that it rules them all, and this is because Sauron helped the elves, dwarves, and men make their rings of power and made the One simultaneously in secret to control them. A new ring of power made much later by someone else probably could not be another "One Ring" in this respect.
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The One Ring does not rule the 3 elven rings, the poem is a bit flawed there. Their fate is linked up with the One Ring though.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
@Amarth why did the owners of the 3 remove them when Sauron first put the One on then?
– James Hollis
6 hours ago
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@JamesHollis Celebrimbor and the other smiths of Eregion sought Sauron's expertise to create the elven rings. Something in that "formula" linked them to Sauron, and when he made the Ruling Ring he put that part of himself into its creation.
– Rich
3 hours ago
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In the foreword to Lord of the Rings, Tolkien observes:
Saruman, failing to get possession of the Ring, would in the confusion and treacheries of the time have found in Mordor the missing links in his own researches into Ring-lore, and before long he would have made a Great Ring of his own with which to challenge the self-styled Ruler of Middle-earth.
Tolkien therefore definitely conceives of Saruman as being capable of making a Ring, and therefore Gandalf would presumably have been likewise capable.
However, what we can also take from that statement is that making a Ring is not a simple task; there is some "lore" involved, and we know from elsewhere that Saruman had made especial study of the Rings of Power, but yet Tolkien states that even he would have required knowledge found only in Mordor to complete his own work.
So, to summarise:
- Yes, but,
- It's neither quick nor easy, because,
- There is considerable "lore" involved, and,
- It requires hundreds or even thousands of years of dedicated study to get to a "Saruman-level" of "lore", and,
- Even then there will be missing knowledge which may only be found in Mordor.
- So for all practical purposes it's actually "No".
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It seems clear from the Appendices that Celebrimbor needed Sauron's help to learn to make even the lesser rings -- further evidence that it was hard.
– Mark Olson
13 hours ago
7
As mentioned in my comment to the question itself. Sauron and Saruman both started out as Maiar of Aule. This could have given both of them skill/knowledge (and possibly natural talent) in crafting things like this that Gandalf might not have possessed even if he wanted to.
– suchiuomizu
13 hours ago
1
@suchiuomizu Gandalf was also one of the Maiar, though your point stands regardless.
– Spitemaster
6 hours ago
1
@Spitemaster, Gandalf was a Maiar of Manwe (the winds), and associated with Irmo (visions and dreams) and Nienna (mercy). That produces a rather different skillset than associating with Aule (smithing, craftsmanship).
– Mark
5 hours ago
I'd also like to add that all rings are subject to The One Ring, regardless of their circumstance. The Three rings of the Elves were constructed without any assistance from Sauron, and yet they still fell under it's dominion. All magic rings do. Gandalf would know this. Why make a set of chains to wear just so Sauron can lead you around by them, if he wins?
– BoredBsee
4 hours ago
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In the foreword to Lord of the Rings, Tolkien observes:
Saruman, failing to get possession of the Ring, would in the confusion and treacheries of the time have found in Mordor the missing links in his own researches into Ring-lore, and before long he would have made a Great Ring of his own with which to challenge the self-styled Ruler of Middle-earth.
Tolkien therefore definitely conceives of Saruman as being capable of making a Ring, and therefore Gandalf would presumably have been likewise capable.
However, what we can also take from that statement is that making a Ring is not a simple task; there is some "lore" involved, and we know from elsewhere that Saruman had made especial study of the Rings of Power, but yet Tolkien states that even he would have required knowledge found only in Mordor to complete his own work.
So, to summarise:
- Yes, but,
- It's neither quick nor easy, because,
- There is considerable "lore" involved, and,
- It requires hundreds or even thousands of years of dedicated study to get to a "Saruman-level" of "lore", and,
- Even then there will be missing knowledge which may only be found in Mordor.
- So for all practical purposes it's actually "No".
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It seems clear from the Appendices that Celebrimbor needed Sauron's help to learn to make even the lesser rings -- further evidence that it was hard.
– Mark Olson
13 hours ago
7
As mentioned in my comment to the question itself. Sauron and Saruman both started out as Maiar of Aule. This could have given both of them skill/knowledge (and possibly natural talent) in crafting things like this that Gandalf might not have possessed even if he wanted to.
– suchiuomizu
13 hours ago
1
@suchiuomizu Gandalf was also one of the Maiar, though your point stands regardless.
– Spitemaster
6 hours ago
1
@Spitemaster, Gandalf was a Maiar of Manwe (the winds), and associated with Irmo (visions and dreams) and Nienna (mercy). That produces a rather different skillset than associating with Aule (smithing, craftsmanship).
– Mark
5 hours ago
I'd also like to add that all rings are subject to The One Ring, regardless of their circumstance. The Three rings of the Elves were constructed without any assistance from Sauron, and yet they still fell under it's dominion. All magic rings do. Gandalf would know this. Why make a set of chains to wear just so Sauron can lead you around by them, if he wins?
– BoredBsee
4 hours ago
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up vote
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In the foreword to Lord of the Rings, Tolkien observes:
Saruman, failing to get possession of the Ring, would in the confusion and treacheries of the time have found in Mordor the missing links in his own researches into Ring-lore, and before long he would have made a Great Ring of his own with which to challenge the self-styled Ruler of Middle-earth.
Tolkien therefore definitely conceives of Saruman as being capable of making a Ring, and therefore Gandalf would presumably have been likewise capable.
However, what we can also take from that statement is that making a Ring is not a simple task; there is some "lore" involved, and we know from elsewhere that Saruman had made especial study of the Rings of Power, but yet Tolkien states that even he would have required knowledge found only in Mordor to complete his own work.
So, to summarise:
- Yes, but,
- It's neither quick nor easy, because,
- There is considerable "lore" involved, and,
- It requires hundreds or even thousands of years of dedicated study to get to a "Saruman-level" of "lore", and,
- Even then there will be missing knowledge which may only be found in Mordor.
- So for all practical purposes it's actually "No".
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Possibly
In the foreword to Lord of the Rings, Tolkien observes:
Saruman, failing to get possession of the Ring, would in the confusion and treacheries of the time have found in Mordor the missing links in his own researches into Ring-lore, and before long he would have made a Great Ring of his own with which to challenge the self-styled Ruler of Middle-earth.
Tolkien therefore definitely conceives of Saruman as being capable of making a Ring, and therefore Gandalf would presumably have been likewise capable.
However, what we can also take from that statement is that making a Ring is not a simple task; there is some "lore" involved, and we know from elsewhere that Saruman had made especial study of the Rings of Power, but yet Tolkien states that even he would have required knowledge found only in Mordor to complete his own work.
So, to summarise:
- Yes, but,
- It's neither quick nor easy, because,
- There is considerable "lore" involved, and,
- It requires hundreds or even thousands of years of dedicated study to get to a "Saruman-level" of "lore", and,
- Even then there will be missing knowledge which may only be found in Mordor.
- So for all practical purposes it's actually "No".
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It seems clear from the Appendices that Celebrimbor needed Sauron's help to learn to make even the lesser rings -- further evidence that it was hard.
– Mark Olson
13 hours ago
7
As mentioned in my comment to the question itself. Sauron and Saruman both started out as Maiar of Aule. This could have given both of them skill/knowledge (and possibly natural talent) in crafting things like this that Gandalf might not have possessed even if he wanted to.
– suchiuomizu
13 hours ago
1
@suchiuomizu Gandalf was also one of the Maiar, though your point stands regardless.
– Spitemaster
6 hours ago
1
@Spitemaster, Gandalf was a Maiar of Manwe (the winds), and associated with Irmo (visions and dreams) and Nienna (mercy). That produces a rather different skillset than associating with Aule (smithing, craftsmanship).
– Mark
5 hours ago
I'd also like to add that all rings are subject to The One Ring, regardless of their circumstance. The Three rings of the Elves were constructed without any assistance from Sauron, and yet they still fell under it's dominion. All magic rings do. Gandalf would know this. Why make a set of chains to wear just so Sauron can lead you around by them, if he wins?
– BoredBsee
4 hours ago
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It seems clear from the Appendices that Celebrimbor needed Sauron's help to learn to make even the lesser rings -- further evidence that it was hard.
– Mark Olson
13 hours ago
7
As mentioned in my comment to the question itself. Sauron and Saruman both started out as Maiar of Aule. This could have given both of them skill/knowledge (and possibly natural talent) in crafting things like this that Gandalf might not have possessed even if he wanted to.
– suchiuomizu
13 hours ago
1
@suchiuomizu Gandalf was also one of the Maiar, though your point stands regardless.
– Spitemaster
6 hours ago
1
@Spitemaster, Gandalf was a Maiar of Manwe (the winds), and associated with Irmo (visions and dreams) and Nienna (mercy). That produces a rather different skillset than associating with Aule (smithing, craftsmanship).
– Mark
5 hours ago
I'd also like to add that all rings are subject to The One Ring, regardless of their circumstance. The Three rings of the Elves were constructed without any assistance from Sauron, and yet they still fell under it's dominion. All magic rings do. Gandalf would know this. Why make a set of chains to wear just so Sauron can lead you around by them, if he wins?
– BoredBsee
4 hours ago
4
4
It seems clear from the Appendices that Celebrimbor needed Sauron's help to learn to make even the lesser rings -- further evidence that it was hard.
– Mark Olson
13 hours ago
It seems clear from the Appendices that Celebrimbor needed Sauron's help to learn to make even the lesser rings -- further evidence that it was hard.
– Mark Olson
13 hours ago
7
7
As mentioned in my comment to the question itself. Sauron and Saruman both started out as Maiar of Aule. This could have given both of them skill/knowledge (and possibly natural talent) in crafting things like this that Gandalf might not have possessed even if he wanted to.
– suchiuomizu
13 hours ago
As mentioned in my comment to the question itself. Sauron and Saruman both started out as Maiar of Aule. This could have given both of them skill/knowledge (and possibly natural talent) in crafting things like this that Gandalf might not have possessed even if he wanted to.
– suchiuomizu
13 hours ago
1
1
@suchiuomizu Gandalf was also one of the Maiar, though your point stands regardless.
– Spitemaster
6 hours ago
@suchiuomizu Gandalf was also one of the Maiar, though your point stands regardless.
– Spitemaster
6 hours ago
1
1
@Spitemaster, Gandalf was a Maiar of Manwe (the winds), and associated with Irmo (visions and dreams) and Nienna (mercy). That produces a rather different skillset than associating with Aule (smithing, craftsmanship).
– Mark
5 hours ago
@Spitemaster, Gandalf was a Maiar of Manwe (the winds), and associated with Irmo (visions and dreams) and Nienna (mercy). That produces a rather different skillset than associating with Aule (smithing, craftsmanship).
– Mark
5 hours ago
I'd also like to add that all rings are subject to The One Ring, regardless of their circumstance. The Three rings of the Elves were constructed without any assistance from Sauron, and yet they still fell under it's dominion. All magic rings do. Gandalf would know this. Why make a set of chains to wear just so Sauron can lead you around by them, if he wins?
– BoredBsee
4 hours ago
I'd also like to add that all rings are subject to The One Ring, regardless of their circumstance. The Three rings of the Elves were constructed without any assistance from Sauron, and yet they still fell under it's dominion. All magic rings do. Gandalf would know this. Why make a set of chains to wear just so Sauron can lead you around by them, if he wins?
– BoredBsee
4 hours ago
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I doubt it.
Going through all the artifacts throughout the books, the knowledge of forging great magical artifacts seems to mainly originate from the Vala Aulë.
- Sauron (and Saruman) was originally a Maia of Aulë.
- The greatest craftsman through the ages, Fëanor, was a student of Aulë.
- The knowledge of making the elven rings came from Annatar/Sauron. But knowledge was likely also passed down from Fëanor, to his son Curufin, to his son Celebrimbor.
The recurring pattern in the making of almost all magical artifacts in the books, is great smithing skill.
Sauron, Fëanor and Celebrimbor were all skilled mastersmiths. The most powerful artifacts of Middle-Earth through the ages were made by these three. When it comes to the creation of magical items, craft in smithing seems to be an important skill, perhaps more so than knowledge of magic and lore.
There is no indication throughout the books that Gandalf, or anyone else but the mentioned three characters would have the ability to forge major magical artifacts like the Silmarils, the Palatíri or the Rings of Power. Even the Phial of Galadriel originates from Fëanor, as all Galadriel did was to capture the light of a Silmaril.
No elves outside the House of Fëanor attempt to make major artifacts. Neither does anyone of the other races, save for Sauron. Minor magical aritfacts like the swords Anglachel or Glamdring can evidently be made by other skilled smiths.
The necklace Nauglamír was made by dwarves - the children of Aulë and skilled smiths - but it doesn't seem to have any magical abilities beyond beauty. Similarly, dwarven items made of Mithril seem to be both beautiful and of extra-ordinary high quality, but not necessarily magical.
It's Palantír, not Palatíri
– Rui F Ribeiro
5 hours ago
@RuiFRibeiro Plural palantíri. No need to capitalize.
– Rich
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I doubt it.
Going through all the artifacts throughout the books, the knowledge of forging great magical artifacts seems to mainly originate from the Vala Aulë.
- Sauron (and Saruman) was originally a Maia of Aulë.
- The greatest craftsman through the ages, Fëanor, was a student of Aulë.
- The knowledge of making the elven rings came from Annatar/Sauron. But knowledge was likely also passed down from Fëanor, to his son Curufin, to his son Celebrimbor.
The recurring pattern in the making of almost all magical artifacts in the books, is great smithing skill.
Sauron, Fëanor and Celebrimbor were all skilled mastersmiths. The most powerful artifacts of Middle-Earth through the ages were made by these three. When it comes to the creation of magical items, craft in smithing seems to be an important skill, perhaps more so than knowledge of magic and lore.
There is no indication throughout the books that Gandalf, or anyone else but the mentioned three characters would have the ability to forge major magical artifacts like the Silmarils, the Palatíri or the Rings of Power. Even the Phial of Galadriel originates from Fëanor, as all Galadriel did was to capture the light of a Silmaril.
No elves outside the House of Fëanor attempt to make major artifacts. Neither does anyone of the other races, save for Sauron. Minor magical aritfacts like the swords Anglachel or Glamdring can evidently be made by other skilled smiths.
The necklace Nauglamír was made by dwarves - the children of Aulë and skilled smiths - but it doesn't seem to have any magical abilities beyond beauty. Similarly, dwarven items made of Mithril seem to be both beautiful and of extra-ordinary high quality, but not necessarily magical.
It's Palantír, not Palatíri
– Rui F Ribeiro
5 hours ago
@RuiFRibeiro Plural palantíri. No need to capitalize.
– Rich
3 hours ago
add a comment |
up vote
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up vote
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I doubt it.
Going through all the artifacts throughout the books, the knowledge of forging great magical artifacts seems to mainly originate from the Vala Aulë.
- Sauron (and Saruman) was originally a Maia of Aulë.
- The greatest craftsman through the ages, Fëanor, was a student of Aulë.
- The knowledge of making the elven rings came from Annatar/Sauron. But knowledge was likely also passed down from Fëanor, to his son Curufin, to his son Celebrimbor.
The recurring pattern in the making of almost all magical artifacts in the books, is great smithing skill.
Sauron, Fëanor and Celebrimbor were all skilled mastersmiths. The most powerful artifacts of Middle-Earth through the ages were made by these three. When it comes to the creation of magical items, craft in smithing seems to be an important skill, perhaps more so than knowledge of magic and lore.
There is no indication throughout the books that Gandalf, or anyone else but the mentioned three characters would have the ability to forge major magical artifacts like the Silmarils, the Palatíri or the Rings of Power. Even the Phial of Galadriel originates from Fëanor, as all Galadriel did was to capture the light of a Silmaril.
No elves outside the House of Fëanor attempt to make major artifacts. Neither does anyone of the other races, save for Sauron. Minor magical aritfacts like the swords Anglachel or Glamdring can evidently be made by other skilled smiths.
The necklace Nauglamír was made by dwarves - the children of Aulë and skilled smiths - but it doesn't seem to have any magical abilities beyond beauty. Similarly, dwarven items made of Mithril seem to be both beautiful and of extra-ordinary high quality, but not necessarily magical.
I doubt it.
Going through all the artifacts throughout the books, the knowledge of forging great magical artifacts seems to mainly originate from the Vala Aulë.
- Sauron (and Saruman) was originally a Maia of Aulë.
- The greatest craftsman through the ages, Fëanor, was a student of Aulë.
- The knowledge of making the elven rings came from Annatar/Sauron. But knowledge was likely also passed down from Fëanor, to his son Curufin, to his son Celebrimbor.
The recurring pattern in the making of almost all magical artifacts in the books, is great smithing skill.
Sauron, Fëanor and Celebrimbor were all skilled mastersmiths. The most powerful artifacts of Middle-Earth through the ages were made by these three. When it comes to the creation of magical items, craft in smithing seems to be an important skill, perhaps more so than knowledge of magic and lore.
There is no indication throughout the books that Gandalf, or anyone else but the mentioned three characters would have the ability to forge major magical artifacts like the Silmarils, the Palatíri or the Rings of Power. Even the Phial of Galadriel originates from Fëanor, as all Galadriel did was to capture the light of a Silmaril.
No elves outside the House of Fëanor attempt to make major artifacts. Neither does anyone of the other races, save for Sauron. Minor magical aritfacts like the swords Anglachel or Glamdring can evidently be made by other skilled smiths.
The necklace Nauglamír was made by dwarves - the children of Aulë and skilled smiths - but it doesn't seem to have any magical abilities beyond beauty. Similarly, dwarven items made of Mithril seem to be both beautiful and of extra-ordinary high quality, but not necessarily magical.
answered 12 hours ago
Amarth
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It's Palantír, not Palatíri
– Rui F Ribeiro
5 hours ago
@RuiFRibeiro Plural palantíri. No need to capitalize.
– Rich
3 hours ago
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It's Palantír, not Palatíri
– Rui F Ribeiro
5 hours ago
@RuiFRibeiro Plural palantíri. No need to capitalize.
– Rich
3 hours ago
It's Palantír, not Palatíri
– Rui F Ribeiro
5 hours ago
It's Palantír, not Palatíri
– Rui F Ribeiro
5 hours ago
@RuiFRibeiro Plural palantíri. No need to capitalize.
– Rich
3 hours ago
@RuiFRibeiro Plural palantíri. No need to capitalize.
– Rich
3 hours ago
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It's rather like building your own computer. You may know the theory, but you really need a certain industrial base to support a silicon fab plant. So Gandalf might know how a Ring is made, but he can't just wish it into being. He (or anyone) needs all that supporting infrastructure that really doesn't exist in the Third Age.
The more interesting question, now that I think on it, is why Sauron didn't make more rings. Even if they're not nearly as powerful as the One Ring, they'd still be useful. He seems to have the industrial base in Mordor, and is said to still use the fires of the Sammath Naur on occasion...
1
The only infrastructure needed seems to be a hot forge...? Or in case of the One Ring, Mount Doom, which does exist in the third age. What claim do you have for anything else being needed?
– Amarth
9 hours ago
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It's rather like building your own computer. You may know the theory, but you really need a certain industrial base to support a silicon fab plant. So Gandalf might know how a Ring is made, but he can't just wish it into being. He (or anyone) needs all that supporting infrastructure that really doesn't exist in the Third Age.
The more interesting question, now that I think on it, is why Sauron didn't make more rings. Even if they're not nearly as powerful as the One Ring, they'd still be useful. He seems to have the industrial base in Mordor, and is said to still use the fires of the Sammath Naur on occasion...
1
The only infrastructure needed seems to be a hot forge...? Or in case of the One Ring, Mount Doom, which does exist in the third age. What claim do you have for anything else being needed?
– Amarth
9 hours ago
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up vote
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It's rather like building your own computer. You may know the theory, but you really need a certain industrial base to support a silicon fab plant. So Gandalf might know how a Ring is made, but he can't just wish it into being. He (or anyone) needs all that supporting infrastructure that really doesn't exist in the Third Age.
The more interesting question, now that I think on it, is why Sauron didn't make more rings. Even if they're not nearly as powerful as the One Ring, they'd still be useful. He seems to have the industrial base in Mordor, and is said to still use the fires of the Sammath Naur on occasion...
It's rather like building your own computer. You may know the theory, but you really need a certain industrial base to support a silicon fab plant. So Gandalf might know how a Ring is made, but he can't just wish it into being. He (or anyone) needs all that supporting infrastructure that really doesn't exist in the Third Age.
The more interesting question, now that I think on it, is why Sauron didn't make more rings. Even if they're not nearly as powerful as the One Ring, they'd still be useful. He seems to have the industrial base in Mordor, and is said to still use the fires of the Sammath Naur on occasion...
answered 10 hours ago
jamesqf
1,536710
1,536710
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The only infrastructure needed seems to be a hot forge...? Or in case of the One Ring, Mount Doom, which does exist in the third age. What claim do you have for anything else being needed?
– Amarth
9 hours ago
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The only infrastructure needed seems to be a hot forge...? Or in case of the One Ring, Mount Doom, which does exist in the third age. What claim do you have for anything else being needed?
– Amarth
9 hours ago
1
1
The only infrastructure needed seems to be a hot forge...? Or in case of the One Ring, Mount Doom, which does exist in the third age. What claim do you have for anything else being needed?
– Amarth
9 hours ago
The only infrastructure needed seems to be a hot forge...? Or in case of the One Ring, Mount Doom, which does exist in the third age. What claim do you have for anything else being needed?
– Amarth
9 hours ago
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The rings made by Sauron, and specifically the One Ring did not give Sauron extra raw power, they were a method of applying his existing, innate power over men, dwarves and elves. The rings did not amplify Sauron's power, they attempted to apply it more effectively. (This did not work completely as intended on the dwarves and elves of course, and it enabled Sauron to eventually be destroyed).
Sauron put a lot of himself and his power into the rings. You could almost say the rings were a part of Sauron. The rings are rings 'of power' because they give the wearer some of Sauron's power.
If Saruman could make similar rings he would have used them in the same way - to attempt to control his own men and orcs.
If Gandalf made a ring or rings, he would not be any more powerful in total, as he'd have to put his own power into them. If he did make rings, the effect on a wearer would probably just be to make them like hobbits a bit more.
You deserve more upvotes for the last paragraph alone. Otherwise, you've answered the question completely.
– Rich
3 hours ago
add a comment |
up vote
3
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The rings made by Sauron, and specifically the One Ring did not give Sauron extra raw power, they were a method of applying his existing, innate power over men, dwarves and elves. The rings did not amplify Sauron's power, they attempted to apply it more effectively. (This did not work completely as intended on the dwarves and elves of course, and it enabled Sauron to eventually be destroyed).
Sauron put a lot of himself and his power into the rings. You could almost say the rings were a part of Sauron. The rings are rings 'of power' because they give the wearer some of Sauron's power.
If Saruman could make similar rings he would have used them in the same way - to attempt to control his own men and orcs.
If Gandalf made a ring or rings, he would not be any more powerful in total, as he'd have to put his own power into them. If he did make rings, the effect on a wearer would probably just be to make them like hobbits a bit more.
You deserve more upvotes for the last paragraph alone. Otherwise, you've answered the question completely.
– Rich
3 hours ago
add a comment |
up vote
3
down vote
up vote
3
down vote
The rings made by Sauron, and specifically the One Ring did not give Sauron extra raw power, they were a method of applying his existing, innate power over men, dwarves and elves. The rings did not amplify Sauron's power, they attempted to apply it more effectively. (This did not work completely as intended on the dwarves and elves of course, and it enabled Sauron to eventually be destroyed).
Sauron put a lot of himself and his power into the rings. You could almost say the rings were a part of Sauron. The rings are rings 'of power' because they give the wearer some of Sauron's power.
If Saruman could make similar rings he would have used them in the same way - to attempt to control his own men and orcs.
If Gandalf made a ring or rings, he would not be any more powerful in total, as he'd have to put his own power into them. If he did make rings, the effect on a wearer would probably just be to make them like hobbits a bit more.
The rings made by Sauron, and specifically the One Ring did not give Sauron extra raw power, they were a method of applying his existing, innate power over men, dwarves and elves. The rings did not amplify Sauron's power, they attempted to apply it more effectively. (This did not work completely as intended on the dwarves and elves of course, and it enabled Sauron to eventually be destroyed).
Sauron put a lot of himself and his power into the rings. You could almost say the rings were a part of Sauron. The rings are rings 'of power' because they give the wearer some of Sauron's power.
If Saruman could make similar rings he would have used them in the same way - to attempt to control his own men and orcs.
If Gandalf made a ring or rings, he would not be any more powerful in total, as he'd have to put his own power into them. If he did make rings, the effect on a wearer would probably just be to make them like hobbits a bit more.
answered 6 hours ago
Argenti Apparatus
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You deserve more upvotes for the last paragraph alone. Otherwise, you've answered the question completely.
– Rich
3 hours ago
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You deserve more upvotes for the last paragraph alone. Otherwise, you've answered the question completely.
– Rich
3 hours ago
You deserve more upvotes for the last paragraph alone. Otherwise, you've answered the question completely.
– Rich
3 hours ago
You deserve more upvotes for the last paragraph alone. Otherwise, you've answered the question completely.
– Rich
3 hours ago
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There are two aspects of the One Ring.
- It is a ring of power
- It Rules Them All (the 9, the 7, and the 3)
The other answers address Gandalf making a ring of power in general.
The thing that makes the One special is that it rules them all, and this is because Sauron helped the elves, dwarves, and men make their rings of power and made the One simultaneously in secret to control them. A new ring of power made much later by someone else probably could not be another "One Ring" in this respect.
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The One Ring does not rule the 3 elven rings, the poem is a bit flawed there. Their fate is linked up with the One Ring though.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
@Amarth why did the owners of the 3 remove them when Sauron first put the One on then?
– James Hollis
6 hours ago
1
@JamesHollis Celebrimbor and the other smiths of Eregion sought Sauron's expertise to create the elven rings. Something in that "formula" linked them to Sauron, and when he made the Ruling Ring he put that part of himself into its creation.
– Rich
3 hours ago
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There are two aspects of the One Ring.
- It is a ring of power
- It Rules Them All (the 9, the 7, and the 3)
The other answers address Gandalf making a ring of power in general.
The thing that makes the One special is that it rules them all, and this is because Sauron helped the elves, dwarves, and men make their rings of power and made the One simultaneously in secret to control them. A new ring of power made much later by someone else probably could not be another "One Ring" in this respect.
New contributor
2
The One Ring does not rule the 3 elven rings, the poem is a bit flawed there. Their fate is linked up with the One Ring though.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
@Amarth why did the owners of the 3 remove them when Sauron first put the One on then?
– James Hollis
6 hours ago
1
@JamesHollis Celebrimbor and the other smiths of Eregion sought Sauron's expertise to create the elven rings. Something in that "formula" linked them to Sauron, and when he made the Ruling Ring he put that part of himself into its creation.
– Rich
3 hours ago
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
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There are two aspects of the One Ring.
- It is a ring of power
- It Rules Them All (the 9, the 7, and the 3)
The other answers address Gandalf making a ring of power in general.
The thing that makes the One special is that it rules them all, and this is because Sauron helped the elves, dwarves, and men make their rings of power and made the One simultaneously in secret to control them. A new ring of power made much later by someone else probably could not be another "One Ring" in this respect.
New contributor
There are two aspects of the One Ring.
- It is a ring of power
- It Rules Them All (the 9, the 7, and the 3)
The other answers address Gandalf making a ring of power in general.
The thing that makes the One special is that it rules them all, and this is because Sauron helped the elves, dwarves, and men make their rings of power and made the One simultaneously in secret to control them. A new ring of power made much later by someone else probably could not be another "One Ring" in this respect.
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answered 9 hours ago
usul
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The One Ring does not rule the 3 elven rings, the poem is a bit flawed there. Their fate is linked up with the One Ring though.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
@Amarth why did the owners of the 3 remove them when Sauron first put the One on then?
– James Hollis
6 hours ago
1
@JamesHollis Celebrimbor and the other smiths of Eregion sought Sauron's expertise to create the elven rings. Something in that "formula" linked them to Sauron, and when he made the Ruling Ring he put that part of himself into its creation.
– Rich
3 hours ago
add a comment |
2
The One Ring does not rule the 3 elven rings, the poem is a bit flawed there. Their fate is linked up with the One Ring though.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
@Amarth why did the owners of the 3 remove them when Sauron first put the One on then?
– James Hollis
6 hours ago
1
@JamesHollis Celebrimbor and the other smiths of Eregion sought Sauron's expertise to create the elven rings. Something in that "formula" linked them to Sauron, and when he made the Ruling Ring he put that part of himself into its creation.
– Rich
3 hours ago
2
2
The One Ring does not rule the 3 elven rings, the poem is a bit flawed there. Their fate is linked up with the One Ring though.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
The One Ring does not rule the 3 elven rings, the poem is a bit flawed there. Their fate is linked up with the One Ring though.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
@Amarth why did the owners of the 3 remove them when Sauron first put the One on then?
– James Hollis
6 hours ago
@Amarth why did the owners of the 3 remove them when Sauron first put the One on then?
– James Hollis
6 hours ago
1
1
@JamesHollis Celebrimbor and the other smiths of Eregion sought Sauron's expertise to create the elven rings. Something in that "formula" linked them to Sauron, and when he made the Ruling Ring he put that part of himself into its creation.
– Rich
3 hours ago
@JamesHollis Celebrimbor and the other smiths of Eregion sought Sauron's expertise to create the elven rings. Something in that "formula" linked them to Sauron, and when he made the Ruling Ring he put that part of himself into its creation.
– Rich
3 hours ago
add a comment |
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I think Gandalf the white would have the power and knowledge required but he wasn't allowed by the valar to challenge sauron directly
– TerranGaming
16 hours ago
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Maybe not the knowledge. Sauron, before joining Morgoth, was one of Aule's Maiar and would have been more specialized in making things like that. Of the Wizards, on Saruman shares a similar background.
– suchiuomizu
15 hours ago
7
I agree - He should just have made
The Other Ring, to rule nearly all
– Stender
15 hours ago
4
Having more of these rings is kinda the opposite of what they were trying to accomplish.
– Misha R
14 hours ago
4
@Parrotmaster Well, the One Ring was made to covertly establish control over others, which is something we see as innately evil. An alternative to a controlling ring would be an inspiring ring, but Gandalf already had one of those. And if it's just a matter of creating an overt powerful weapon, then there's no reason for it to be specifically a ring.
– Misha R
14 hours ago