Algebraic inequality for positive reals $a,b,c$
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The problem is from a previous maths olympiad and the last step is to prove the inequality
$$4a^4bc + a^4c^2 + 9a^3bc^2 + 4a^3b^3 + 9a^2b^3c + a^2b^4 + 9ab^2c^3 + 4ab^4c + 4b^3c^3 + b^2c^4 +4a^3c^3 +4abc^4 geq 24a^2b^2c^2 + 10a^3b^2c + 10a^2bc^3 + 10ab^3c^2$$ for all $a,b,c > 0$.
I would very much appreciate if you could help me with how I can proceed from this step and finally solving the problem. Thank you
inequality a.m.-g.m.-inequality rearrangement-inequality
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The problem is from a previous maths olympiad and the last step is to prove the inequality
$$4a^4bc + a^4c^2 + 9a^3bc^2 + 4a^3b^3 + 9a^2b^3c + a^2b^4 + 9ab^2c^3 + 4ab^4c + 4b^3c^3 + b^2c^4 +4a^3c^3 +4abc^4 geq 24a^2b^2c^2 + 10a^3b^2c + 10a^2bc^3 + 10ab^3c^2$$ for all $a,b,c > 0$.
I would very much appreciate if you could help me with how I can proceed from this step and finally solving the problem. Thank you
inequality a.m.-g.m.-inequality rearrangement-inequality
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Isn't $a^4c$ a typo? I guess it should be $a^4c^2$.
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– Song
Jan 5 at 12:38
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It would be better to see the original problem.
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Jan 5 at 12:45
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The problem is from a previous maths olympiad and the last step is to prove the inequality
$$4a^4bc + a^4c^2 + 9a^3bc^2 + 4a^3b^3 + 9a^2b^3c + a^2b^4 + 9ab^2c^3 + 4ab^4c + 4b^3c^3 + b^2c^4 +4a^3c^3 +4abc^4 geq 24a^2b^2c^2 + 10a^3b^2c + 10a^2bc^3 + 10ab^3c^2$$ for all $a,b,c > 0$.
I would very much appreciate if you could help me with how I can proceed from this step and finally solving the problem. Thank you
inequality a.m.-g.m.-inequality rearrangement-inequality
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The problem is from a previous maths olympiad and the last step is to prove the inequality
$$4a^4bc + a^4c^2 + 9a^3bc^2 + 4a^3b^3 + 9a^2b^3c + a^2b^4 + 9ab^2c^3 + 4ab^4c + 4b^3c^3 + b^2c^4 +4a^3c^3 +4abc^4 geq 24a^2b^2c^2 + 10a^3b^2c + 10a^2bc^3 + 10ab^3c^2$$ for all $a,b,c > 0$.
I would very much appreciate if you could help me with how I can proceed from this step and finally solving the problem. Thank you
inequality a.m.-g.m.-inequality rearrangement-inequality
inequality a.m.-g.m.-inequality rearrangement-inequality
edited Jan 6 at 2:55
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Isn't $a^4c$ a typo? I guess it should be $a^4c^2$.
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– Song
Jan 5 at 12:38
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It would be better to see the original problem.
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– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Jan 5 at 12:45
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This question is missing context or other details: Please provide additional context, which ideally explains why the question is relevant to you and our community. Some forms of context include: background and motivation, relevant definitions, source, possible strategies, your current progress, why the question is interesting or important, etc.
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Isn't $a^4c$ a typo? I guess it should be $a^4c^2$.
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– Song
Jan 5 at 12:38
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It would be better to see the original problem.
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– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Jan 5 at 12:45
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This question is missing context or other details: Please provide additional context, which ideally explains why the question is relevant to you and our community. Some forms of context include: background and motivation, relevant definitions, source, possible strategies, your current progress, why the question is interesting or important, etc.
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– Carl Mummert
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Isn't $a^4c$ a typo? I guess it should be $a^4c^2$.
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– Song
Jan 5 at 12:38
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Isn't $a^4c$ a typo? I guess it should be $a^4c^2$.
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– Song
Jan 5 at 12:38
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2
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It would be better to see the original problem.
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– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Jan 5 at 12:45
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It would be better to see the original problem.
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– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Jan 5 at 12:45
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This question is missing context or other details: Please provide additional context, which ideally explains why the question is relevant to you and our community. Some forms of context include: background and motivation, relevant definitions, source, possible strategies, your current progress, why the question is interesting or important, etc.
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– Carl Mummert
Jan 11 at 13:54
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The hint:
You can use AM-GM and Rearrangement.
For example, by Rearrangement
$$sum_{cyc}(a^4bc-a^3b^2c)=abcsum_{cyc}(a^3-a^2b)geq0.$$
Indeed, the triples $(a^2,b^2,c^2)$ and $(a,b,c)$ have the same ordering.
Thus, $$sum_{cyc}a^3=a^2cdot a+b^2cdot b+c^2cdot cgeq a^2cdot b+b^2cdot c+c^2cdot a=sum_{cyc}a^2b.$$
Now, by AM-GM
$$sum_{cyc}(a^3b^3+a^3c^2b)geqsum_{cyc}2sqrt{a^3b^3cdot a^3c^2b}=2sum_{cyc}a^3b^2c.$$
Thus,
$$sum_{cyc}(4a^4bc+3a^3b^3+3a^3c^2b)geq10sum_{cyc}a^3b^2c.$$
Id est, it's enough to prove that
$$sum_{cyc}(a^4c^2+a^3b^3+6a^3c^2b)geq24a^2b^2c^2,$$ which is AM-GM again.
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Could you explain the steps please? And I don't see how you've taken account the coefficients of the original inequality
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– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 13:10
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Which step? Rearrangement?
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– Michael Rozenberg
Jan 5 at 13:11
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Yes that would be helpful
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– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 13:13
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@MathFanatics I added something. See now.
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– Michael Rozenberg
Jan 5 at 13:15
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But will that work with the original inequalitys' coefficients?
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– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 13:17
add a comment |
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Hint: Use AM-GM inequality, like:
$$8a^3bc^2 + 8a^2b^3c + 8ab^2c^3geq 24a^2b^2c^2$$
and then you are left to prove:
$$4a^4bc + 4b^3c^3+a^4c^2 + a^3bc^2 + 4a^3b^3 + a^2b^3c + a^2b^4 + ab^2c^3 + 4ab^4c + b^2c^4 +4abc^4 geq 10a^3b^2c + 10a^2bc^3 + 10ab^3c^2$$
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Should I use rearrangement on the rest of the terms?
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– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 12:47
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I think AM-GMis enought
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– greedoid
Jan 5 at 12:48
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I tried to apply AM-GM on different pairs on the left hand side but it failed
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– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 12:50
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The hint:
You can use AM-GM and Rearrangement.
For example, by Rearrangement
$$sum_{cyc}(a^4bc-a^3b^2c)=abcsum_{cyc}(a^3-a^2b)geq0.$$
Indeed, the triples $(a^2,b^2,c^2)$ and $(a,b,c)$ have the same ordering.
Thus, $$sum_{cyc}a^3=a^2cdot a+b^2cdot b+c^2cdot cgeq a^2cdot b+b^2cdot c+c^2cdot a=sum_{cyc}a^2b.$$
Now, by AM-GM
$$sum_{cyc}(a^3b^3+a^3c^2b)geqsum_{cyc}2sqrt{a^3b^3cdot a^3c^2b}=2sum_{cyc}a^3b^2c.$$
Thus,
$$sum_{cyc}(4a^4bc+3a^3b^3+3a^3c^2b)geq10sum_{cyc}a^3b^2c.$$
Id est, it's enough to prove that
$$sum_{cyc}(a^4c^2+a^3b^3+6a^3c^2b)geq24a^2b^2c^2,$$ which is AM-GM again.
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Could you explain the steps please? And I don't see how you've taken account the coefficients of the original inequality
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– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 13:10
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Which step? Rearrangement?
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– Michael Rozenberg
Jan 5 at 13:11
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Yes that would be helpful
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– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 13:13
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@MathFanatics I added something. See now.
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– Michael Rozenberg
Jan 5 at 13:15
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But will that work with the original inequalitys' coefficients?
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– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 13:17
add a comment |
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The hint:
You can use AM-GM and Rearrangement.
For example, by Rearrangement
$$sum_{cyc}(a^4bc-a^3b^2c)=abcsum_{cyc}(a^3-a^2b)geq0.$$
Indeed, the triples $(a^2,b^2,c^2)$ and $(a,b,c)$ have the same ordering.
Thus, $$sum_{cyc}a^3=a^2cdot a+b^2cdot b+c^2cdot cgeq a^2cdot b+b^2cdot c+c^2cdot a=sum_{cyc}a^2b.$$
Now, by AM-GM
$$sum_{cyc}(a^3b^3+a^3c^2b)geqsum_{cyc}2sqrt{a^3b^3cdot a^3c^2b}=2sum_{cyc}a^3b^2c.$$
Thus,
$$sum_{cyc}(4a^4bc+3a^3b^3+3a^3c^2b)geq10sum_{cyc}a^3b^2c.$$
Id est, it's enough to prove that
$$sum_{cyc}(a^4c^2+a^3b^3+6a^3c^2b)geq24a^2b^2c^2,$$ which is AM-GM again.
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Could you explain the steps please? And I don't see how you've taken account the coefficients of the original inequality
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– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 13:10
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Which step? Rearrangement?
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– Michael Rozenberg
Jan 5 at 13:11
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Yes that would be helpful
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– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 13:13
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@MathFanatics I added something. See now.
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– Michael Rozenberg
Jan 5 at 13:15
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But will that work with the original inequalitys' coefficients?
$endgroup$
– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 13:17
add a comment |
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The hint:
You can use AM-GM and Rearrangement.
For example, by Rearrangement
$$sum_{cyc}(a^4bc-a^3b^2c)=abcsum_{cyc}(a^3-a^2b)geq0.$$
Indeed, the triples $(a^2,b^2,c^2)$ and $(a,b,c)$ have the same ordering.
Thus, $$sum_{cyc}a^3=a^2cdot a+b^2cdot b+c^2cdot cgeq a^2cdot b+b^2cdot c+c^2cdot a=sum_{cyc}a^2b.$$
Now, by AM-GM
$$sum_{cyc}(a^3b^3+a^3c^2b)geqsum_{cyc}2sqrt{a^3b^3cdot a^3c^2b}=2sum_{cyc}a^3b^2c.$$
Thus,
$$sum_{cyc}(4a^4bc+3a^3b^3+3a^3c^2b)geq10sum_{cyc}a^3b^2c.$$
Id est, it's enough to prove that
$$sum_{cyc}(a^4c^2+a^3b^3+6a^3c^2b)geq24a^2b^2c^2,$$ which is AM-GM again.
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The hint:
You can use AM-GM and Rearrangement.
For example, by Rearrangement
$$sum_{cyc}(a^4bc-a^3b^2c)=abcsum_{cyc}(a^3-a^2b)geq0.$$
Indeed, the triples $(a^2,b^2,c^2)$ and $(a,b,c)$ have the same ordering.
Thus, $$sum_{cyc}a^3=a^2cdot a+b^2cdot b+c^2cdot cgeq a^2cdot b+b^2cdot c+c^2cdot a=sum_{cyc}a^2b.$$
Now, by AM-GM
$$sum_{cyc}(a^3b^3+a^3c^2b)geqsum_{cyc}2sqrt{a^3b^3cdot a^3c^2b}=2sum_{cyc}a^3b^2c.$$
Thus,
$$sum_{cyc}(4a^4bc+3a^3b^3+3a^3c^2b)geq10sum_{cyc}a^3b^2c.$$
Id est, it's enough to prove that
$$sum_{cyc}(a^4c^2+a^3b^3+6a^3c^2b)geq24a^2b^2c^2,$$ which is AM-GM again.
edited Jan 5 at 13:20
answered Jan 5 at 12:44
Michael RozenbergMichael Rozenberg
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Could you explain the steps please? And I don't see how you've taken account the coefficients of the original inequality
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– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 13:10
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Which step? Rearrangement?
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– Michael Rozenberg
Jan 5 at 13:11
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Yes that would be helpful
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– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 13:13
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@MathFanatics I added something. See now.
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– Michael Rozenberg
Jan 5 at 13:15
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But will that work with the original inequalitys' coefficients?
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– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 13:17
add a comment |
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Could you explain the steps please? And I don't see how you've taken account the coefficients of the original inequality
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– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 13:10
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Which step? Rearrangement?
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– Michael Rozenberg
Jan 5 at 13:11
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Yes that would be helpful
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– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 13:13
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@MathFanatics I added something. See now.
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– Michael Rozenberg
Jan 5 at 13:15
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But will that work with the original inequalitys' coefficients?
$endgroup$
– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 13:17
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Could you explain the steps please? And I don't see how you've taken account the coefficients of the original inequality
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– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 13:10
$begingroup$
Could you explain the steps please? And I don't see how you've taken account the coefficients of the original inequality
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– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 13:10
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Which step? Rearrangement?
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– Michael Rozenberg
Jan 5 at 13:11
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Which step? Rearrangement?
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– Michael Rozenberg
Jan 5 at 13:11
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Yes that would be helpful
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– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 13:13
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Yes that would be helpful
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– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 13:13
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@MathFanatics I added something. See now.
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– Michael Rozenberg
Jan 5 at 13:15
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@MathFanatics I added something. See now.
$endgroup$
– Michael Rozenberg
Jan 5 at 13:15
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But will that work with the original inequalitys' coefficients?
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– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 13:17
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But will that work with the original inequalitys' coefficients?
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– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 13:17
add a comment |
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Hint: Use AM-GM inequality, like:
$$8a^3bc^2 + 8a^2b^3c + 8ab^2c^3geq 24a^2b^2c^2$$
and then you are left to prove:
$$4a^4bc + 4b^3c^3+a^4c^2 + a^3bc^2 + 4a^3b^3 + a^2b^3c + a^2b^4 + ab^2c^3 + 4ab^4c + b^2c^4 +4abc^4 geq 10a^3b^2c + 10a^2bc^3 + 10ab^3c^2$$
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Should I use rearrangement on the rest of the terms?
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– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 12:47
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I think AM-GMis enought
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– greedoid
Jan 5 at 12:48
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I tried to apply AM-GM on different pairs on the left hand side but it failed
$endgroup$
– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 12:50
add a comment |
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Hint: Use AM-GM inequality, like:
$$8a^3bc^2 + 8a^2b^3c + 8ab^2c^3geq 24a^2b^2c^2$$
and then you are left to prove:
$$4a^4bc + 4b^3c^3+a^4c^2 + a^3bc^2 + 4a^3b^3 + a^2b^3c + a^2b^4 + ab^2c^3 + 4ab^4c + b^2c^4 +4abc^4 geq 10a^3b^2c + 10a^2bc^3 + 10ab^3c^2$$
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$begingroup$
Should I use rearrangement on the rest of the terms?
$endgroup$
– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 12:47
$begingroup$
I think AM-GMis enought
$endgroup$
– greedoid
Jan 5 at 12:48
$begingroup$
I tried to apply AM-GM on different pairs on the left hand side but it failed
$endgroup$
– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 12:50
add a comment |
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Hint: Use AM-GM inequality, like:
$$8a^3bc^2 + 8a^2b^3c + 8ab^2c^3geq 24a^2b^2c^2$$
and then you are left to prove:
$$4a^4bc + 4b^3c^3+a^4c^2 + a^3bc^2 + 4a^3b^3 + a^2b^3c + a^2b^4 + ab^2c^3 + 4ab^4c + b^2c^4 +4abc^4 geq 10a^3b^2c + 10a^2bc^3 + 10ab^3c^2$$
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Hint: Use AM-GM inequality, like:
$$8a^3bc^2 + 8a^2b^3c + 8ab^2c^3geq 24a^2b^2c^2$$
and then you are left to prove:
$$4a^4bc + 4b^3c^3+a^4c^2 + a^3bc^2 + 4a^3b^3 + a^2b^3c + a^2b^4 + ab^2c^3 + 4ab^4c + b^2c^4 +4abc^4 geq 10a^3b^2c + 10a^2bc^3 + 10ab^3c^2$$
edited Jan 5 at 12:48
answered Jan 5 at 12:43
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Should I use rearrangement on the rest of the terms?
$endgroup$
– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 12:47
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I think AM-GMis enought
$endgroup$
– greedoid
Jan 5 at 12:48
$begingroup$
I tried to apply AM-GM on different pairs on the left hand side but it failed
$endgroup$
– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 12:50
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Should I use rearrangement on the rest of the terms?
$endgroup$
– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 12:47
$begingroup$
I think AM-GMis enought
$endgroup$
– greedoid
Jan 5 at 12:48
$begingroup$
I tried to apply AM-GM on different pairs on the left hand side but it failed
$endgroup$
– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 12:50
$begingroup$
Should I use rearrangement on the rest of the terms?
$endgroup$
– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 12:47
$begingroup$
Should I use rearrangement on the rest of the terms?
$endgroup$
– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 12:47
$begingroup$
I think AM-GMis enought
$endgroup$
– greedoid
Jan 5 at 12:48
$begingroup$
I think AM-GMis enought
$endgroup$
– greedoid
Jan 5 at 12:48
$begingroup$
I tried to apply AM-GM on different pairs on the left hand side but it failed
$endgroup$
– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 12:50
$begingroup$
I tried to apply AM-GM on different pairs on the left hand side but it failed
$endgroup$
– MathFanatics
Jan 5 at 12:50
add a comment |
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Isn't $a^4c$ a typo? I guess it should be $a^4c^2$.
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– Song
Jan 5 at 12:38
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It would be better to see the original problem.
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– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Jan 5 at 12:45
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This question is missing context or other details: Please provide additional context, which ideally explains why the question is relevant to you and our community. Some forms of context include: background and motivation, relevant definitions, source, possible strategies, your current progress, why the question is interesting or important, etc.
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– Carl Mummert
Jan 11 at 13:54