A lemma of Krull Intersection Theorem.











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This lemma is from Hungerford's Algebra (p.388, Lemma VIII.4.3).



Lemma VIII.4.3
Let $P$ be a prime ideal in a commutative ring $R$ with identity.
If $C$ is a $P$-primary submodule of the Noetherian $R$-module $A$,
then there exists a positive integer $m$ such that $P^m Asubseteq C$.



Proof:
Let $I$ be the annihilator of $A$ in $R$ and consider the ring $overline{R}=R/I$.
Denote the coset $r+Iin overline{R}$ by $overline{r}$.
Clearly $Isubseteq {rin Rmid rAsubseteq C}subseteq P$,
whence $overline{P}=P/I$ is an ideal of $overline{R}$.
$A$ and $C$ are each $overline{R}$-modules with $overline{r}a=ra$ ($rin R, ain A$).
We claim that $C$ is a primary $overline{R}$-submodule of $A$.




If $overline{r}ain C$ with $rin R$ and $ain A-C$,
then $rain C$.
Since $C$ is a primary $R$-submodule,
$r^n Asubseteq C$ for some $n$,
whence $overline{r}^n Asubseteq C$ and $C$ is $overline{R}$-primary.
Since ${overline{r}in overline{R}mid overline{r}^k Asubseteq Ctext{ for some }k>0}={overline{r}in overline{R}mid r^k Asubseteq C}={overline{r}in overline{R}mid rin P}=overline{P}$,
$overline{P}$ is a prime ideal of $overline{R}$ and $C$ is a $overline{P}$-primary $overline{R}$-submodule of $A$. (see Theorems VIII.2.9 and VIII.3.2).




Since $overline{R}$ is Noetherian by Lemma VIII.4.2,
$overline{P}$ is finitely generated by Theorem VIII.1.9.
Let $overline{p}_1, ..., overline{p}_s$ ($p_iin P$) be the generators of $overline{P}$.
For each $i$ there exists $n_i$ such that $overline{p}_i^{n_i}Asubseteq C$.
If $m=n_1+cdots+n_s$,
then it follows from Theorems III.1.2(v) and III.2.5(vi) that $overline{P}^m Asubseteq C$.
The facts that $overline{P}=P/I$ and $IA=0$ now impl that $P^m Asubseteq C$.



My Questions




  1. I guess the assertion "We claim that $C$ is a primary $overline{R}$-submodule of $A$" was used to prove that "For each $i$ there exists $n_i$ such that $overline{p}_i^{n_i}Asubseteq C$".
    But I think $overline{p}_i^{n_i}Asubseteq C$ can be obtained from $p_iin P$ directly.

    My explaination: Since $p_iin P$ and $C$ is a $P$-primary submodule of $A$,
    we have $p_i^{n_i} Asubseteq C$ for some $n_i$.
    It follows that $overline{p}_i^{n_i} A=p_i^{n_i} Asubseteq C$.

    That is, I don't understand why the author spent a bunch of times to prove the unnecessary assertion.


  2. Where is the condition "$IA=0$" used?


  3. There is a typo in the sentence "whence $overline{r}^n Asubseteq C$ and $C$ is $overline{R}$-primary". It should be "$overline{P}$-primary"











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    This lemma is from Hungerford's Algebra (p.388, Lemma VIII.4.3).



    Lemma VIII.4.3
    Let $P$ be a prime ideal in a commutative ring $R$ with identity.
    If $C$ is a $P$-primary submodule of the Noetherian $R$-module $A$,
    then there exists a positive integer $m$ such that $P^m Asubseteq C$.



    Proof:
    Let $I$ be the annihilator of $A$ in $R$ and consider the ring $overline{R}=R/I$.
    Denote the coset $r+Iin overline{R}$ by $overline{r}$.
    Clearly $Isubseteq {rin Rmid rAsubseteq C}subseteq P$,
    whence $overline{P}=P/I$ is an ideal of $overline{R}$.
    $A$ and $C$ are each $overline{R}$-modules with $overline{r}a=ra$ ($rin R, ain A$).
    We claim that $C$ is a primary $overline{R}$-submodule of $A$.




    If $overline{r}ain C$ with $rin R$ and $ain A-C$,
    then $rain C$.
    Since $C$ is a primary $R$-submodule,
    $r^n Asubseteq C$ for some $n$,
    whence $overline{r}^n Asubseteq C$ and $C$ is $overline{R}$-primary.
    Since ${overline{r}in overline{R}mid overline{r}^k Asubseteq Ctext{ for some }k>0}={overline{r}in overline{R}mid r^k Asubseteq C}={overline{r}in overline{R}mid rin P}=overline{P}$,
    $overline{P}$ is a prime ideal of $overline{R}$ and $C$ is a $overline{P}$-primary $overline{R}$-submodule of $A$. (see Theorems VIII.2.9 and VIII.3.2).




    Since $overline{R}$ is Noetherian by Lemma VIII.4.2,
    $overline{P}$ is finitely generated by Theorem VIII.1.9.
    Let $overline{p}_1, ..., overline{p}_s$ ($p_iin P$) be the generators of $overline{P}$.
    For each $i$ there exists $n_i$ such that $overline{p}_i^{n_i}Asubseteq C$.
    If $m=n_1+cdots+n_s$,
    then it follows from Theorems III.1.2(v) and III.2.5(vi) that $overline{P}^m Asubseteq C$.
    The facts that $overline{P}=P/I$ and $IA=0$ now impl that $P^m Asubseteq C$.



    My Questions




    1. I guess the assertion "We claim that $C$ is a primary $overline{R}$-submodule of $A$" was used to prove that "For each $i$ there exists $n_i$ such that $overline{p}_i^{n_i}Asubseteq C$".
      But I think $overline{p}_i^{n_i}Asubseteq C$ can be obtained from $p_iin P$ directly.

      My explaination: Since $p_iin P$ and $C$ is a $P$-primary submodule of $A$,
      we have $p_i^{n_i} Asubseteq C$ for some $n_i$.
      It follows that $overline{p}_i^{n_i} A=p_i^{n_i} Asubseteq C$.

      That is, I don't understand why the author spent a bunch of times to prove the unnecessary assertion.


    2. Where is the condition "$IA=0$" used?


    3. There is a typo in the sentence "whence $overline{r}^n Asubseteq C$ and $C$ is $overline{R}$-primary". It should be "$overline{P}$-primary"











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      This lemma is from Hungerford's Algebra (p.388, Lemma VIII.4.3).



      Lemma VIII.4.3
      Let $P$ be a prime ideal in a commutative ring $R$ with identity.
      If $C$ is a $P$-primary submodule of the Noetherian $R$-module $A$,
      then there exists a positive integer $m$ such that $P^m Asubseteq C$.



      Proof:
      Let $I$ be the annihilator of $A$ in $R$ and consider the ring $overline{R}=R/I$.
      Denote the coset $r+Iin overline{R}$ by $overline{r}$.
      Clearly $Isubseteq {rin Rmid rAsubseteq C}subseteq P$,
      whence $overline{P}=P/I$ is an ideal of $overline{R}$.
      $A$ and $C$ are each $overline{R}$-modules with $overline{r}a=ra$ ($rin R, ain A$).
      We claim that $C$ is a primary $overline{R}$-submodule of $A$.




      If $overline{r}ain C$ with $rin R$ and $ain A-C$,
      then $rain C$.
      Since $C$ is a primary $R$-submodule,
      $r^n Asubseteq C$ for some $n$,
      whence $overline{r}^n Asubseteq C$ and $C$ is $overline{R}$-primary.
      Since ${overline{r}in overline{R}mid overline{r}^k Asubseteq Ctext{ for some }k>0}={overline{r}in overline{R}mid r^k Asubseteq C}={overline{r}in overline{R}mid rin P}=overline{P}$,
      $overline{P}$ is a prime ideal of $overline{R}$ and $C$ is a $overline{P}$-primary $overline{R}$-submodule of $A$. (see Theorems VIII.2.9 and VIII.3.2).




      Since $overline{R}$ is Noetherian by Lemma VIII.4.2,
      $overline{P}$ is finitely generated by Theorem VIII.1.9.
      Let $overline{p}_1, ..., overline{p}_s$ ($p_iin P$) be the generators of $overline{P}$.
      For each $i$ there exists $n_i$ such that $overline{p}_i^{n_i}Asubseteq C$.
      If $m=n_1+cdots+n_s$,
      then it follows from Theorems III.1.2(v) and III.2.5(vi) that $overline{P}^m Asubseteq C$.
      The facts that $overline{P}=P/I$ and $IA=0$ now impl that $P^m Asubseteq C$.



      My Questions




      1. I guess the assertion "We claim that $C$ is a primary $overline{R}$-submodule of $A$" was used to prove that "For each $i$ there exists $n_i$ such that $overline{p}_i^{n_i}Asubseteq C$".
        But I think $overline{p}_i^{n_i}Asubseteq C$ can be obtained from $p_iin P$ directly.

        My explaination: Since $p_iin P$ and $C$ is a $P$-primary submodule of $A$,
        we have $p_i^{n_i} Asubseteq C$ for some $n_i$.
        It follows that $overline{p}_i^{n_i} A=p_i^{n_i} Asubseteq C$.

        That is, I don't understand why the author spent a bunch of times to prove the unnecessary assertion.


      2. Where is the condition "$IA=0$" used?


      3. There is a typo in the sentence "whence $overline{r}^n Asubseteq C$ and $C$ is $overline{R}$-primary". It should be "$overline{P}$-primary"











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      This lemma is from Hungerford's Algebra (p.388, Lemma VIII.4.3).



      Lemma VIII.4.3
      Let $P$ be a prime ideal in a commutative ring $R$ with identity.
      If $C$ is a $P$-primary submodule of the Noetherian $R$-module $A$,
      then there exists a positive integer $m$ such that $P^m Asubseteq C$.



      Proof:
      Let $I$ be the annihilator of $A$ in $R$ and consider the ring $overline{R}=R/I$.
      Denote the coset $r+Iin overline{R}$ by $overline{r}$.
      Clearly $Isubseteq {rin Rmid rAsubseteq C}subseteq P$,
      whence $overline{P}=P/I$ is an ideal of $overline{R}$.
      $A$ and $C$ are each $overline{R}$-modules with $overline{r}a=ra$ ($rin R, ain A$).
      We claim that $C$ is a primary $overline{R}$-submodule of $A$.




      If $overline{r}ain C$ with $rin R$ and $ain A-C$,
      then $rain C$.
      Since $C$ is a primary $R$-submodule,
      $r^n Asubseteq C$ for some $n$,
      whence $overline{r}^n Asubseteq C$ and $C$ is $overline{R}$-primary.
      Since ${overline{r}in overline{R}mid overline{r}^k Asubseteq Ctext{ for some }k>0}={overline{r}in overline{R}mid r^k Asubseteq C}={overline{r}in overline{R}mid rin P}=overline{P}$,
      $overline{P}$ is a prime ideal of $overline{R}$ and $C$ is a $overline{P}$-primary $overline{R}$-submodule of $A$. (see Theorems VIII.2.9 and VIII.3.2).




      Since $overline{R}$ is Noetherian by Lemma VIII.4.2,
      $overline{P}$ is finitely generated by Theorem VIII.1.9.
      Let $overline{p}_1, ..., overline{p}_s$ ($p_iin P$) be the generators of $overline{P}$.
      For each $i$ there exists $n_i$ such that $overline{p}_i^{n_i}Asubseteq C$.
      If $m=n_1+cdots+n_s$,
      then it follows from Theorems III.1.2(v) and III.2.5(vi) that $overline{P}^m Asubseteq C$.
      The facts that $overline{P}=P/I$ and $IA=0$ now impl that $P^m Asubseteq C$.



      My Questions




      1. I guess the assertion "We claim that $C$ is a primary $overline{R}$-submodule of $A$" was used to prove that "For each $i$ there exists $n_i$ such that $overline{p}_i^{n_i}Asubseteq C$".
        But I think $overline{p}_i^{n_i}Asubseteq C$ can be obtained from $p_iin P$ directly.

        My explaination: Since $p_iin P$ and $C$ is a $P$-primary submodule of $A$,
        we have $p_i^{n_i} Asubseteq C$ for some $n_i$.
        It follows that $overline{p}_i^{n_i} A=p_i^{n_i} Asubseteq C$.

        That is, I don't understand why the author spent a bunch of times to prove the unnecessary assertion.


      2. Where is the condition "$IA=0$" used?


      3. There is a typo in the sentence "whence $overline{r}^n Asubseteq C$ and $C$ is $overline{R}$-primary". It should be "$overline{P}$-primary"








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          This lemma was used to proved the Krull Intersection Theorem.



          The proof of Krull Intersection Theorem.




          • Milne's A Primer of Commutative Algebra. Theorem 3.16 on page 13.

          • Hungerford's Algebra. Theorem 4.4 on page 389.


          The proof of Krull Intersection Theorem by using the Artin-Rees Lemma.




          • Atiyah's Introduction to Commutative Algebra. Theorem 10.17 on page 110.

          • Eisenbud's Commutative Algebra. Corollary 5.4 on page 150.

          • Bosch's Algebraic Geometry and Commutative Algebra. Theorem 2 on page 71.

          • Matsumura's Commutative Ring Theory. Theorem 8.9 on page 60.


          • The Stack Project. Lemma 10.50.4. https://stacks.math.columbia.edu/tag/00IP


          The proof of Krull Intersection Theorem by using the Primary Decomposition Theorem.




          • Sharp's Steps in Commutative Algebra. Corollary 8.25 on page 159.

          • Milne's A Primer of Commutative Algebra. Remark 19.14 on page 92.






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          • This is not an answer to your question(s).
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          • I know. But if Hungerford's proof is wrong, these proofs of the lemma are what I need.
            – bfhaha
            Nov 11 at 1:49










          • Hungerford proof is correct. It has some typos, but that's all.
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          This lemma was used to proved the Krull Intersection Theorem.



          The proof of Krull Intersection Theorem.




          • Milne's A Primer of Commutative Algebra. Theorem 3.16 on page 13.

          • Hungerford's Algebra. Theorem 4.4 on page 389.


          The proof of Krull Intersection Theorem by using the Artin-Rees Lemma.




          • Atiyah's Introduction to Commutative Algebra. Theorem 10.17 on page 110.

          • Eisenbud's Commutative Algebra. Corollary 5.4 on page 150.

          • Bosch's Algebraic Geometry and Commutative Algebra. Theorem 2 on page 71.

          • Matsumura's Commutative Ring Theory. Theorem 8.9 on page 60.


          • The Stack Project. Lemma 10.50.4. https://stacks.math.columbia.edu/tag/00IP


          The proof of Krull Intersection Theorem by using the Primary Decomposition Theorem.




          • Sharp's Steps in Commutative Algebra. Corollary 8.25 on page 159.

          • Milne's A Primer of Commutative Algebra. Remark 19.14 on page 92.






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          • This is not an answer to your question(s).
            – user26857
            Nov 10 at 23:13












          • I know. But if Hungerford's proof is wrong, these proofs of the lemma are what I need.
            – bfhaha
            Nov 11 at 1:49










          • Hungerford proof is correct. It has some typos, but that's all.
            – user26857
            Nov 11 at 1:53

















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          This lemma was used to proved the Krull Intersection Theorem.



          The proof of Krull Intersection Theorem.




          • Milne's A Primer of Commutative Algebra. Theorem 3.16 on page 13.

          • Hungerford's Algebra. Theorem 4.4 on page 389.


          The proof of Krull Intersection Theorem by using the Artin-Rees Lemma.




          • Atiyah's Introduction to Commutative Algebra. Theorem 10.17 on page 110.

          • Eisenbud's Commutative Algebra. Corollary 5.4 on page 150.

          • Bosch's Algebraic Geometry and Commutative Algebra. Theorem 2 on page 71.

          • Matsumura's Commutative Ring Theory. Theorem 8.9 on page 60.


          • The Stack Project. Lemma 10.50.4. https://stacks.math.columbia.edu/tag/00IP


          The proof of Krull Intersection Theorem by using the Primary Decomposition Theorem.




          • Sharp's Steps in Commutative Algebra. Corollary 8.25 on page 159.

          • Milne's A Primer of Commutative Algebra. Remark 19.14 on page 92.






          share|cite|improve this answer





















          • This is not an answer to your question(s).
            – user26857
            Nov 10 at 23:13












          • I know. But if Hungerford's proof is wrong, these proofs of the lemma are what I need.
            – bfhaha
            Nov 11 at 1:49










          • Hungerford proof is correct. It has some typos, but that's all.
            – user26857
            Nov 11 at 1:53















          up vote
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          up vote
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          This lemma was used to proved the Krull Intersection Theorem.



          The proof of Krull Intersection Theorem.




          • Milne's A Primer of Commutative Algebra. Theorem 3.16 on page 13.

          • Hungerford's Algebra. Theorem 4.4 on page 389.


          The proof of Krull Intersection Theorem by using the Artin-Rees Lemma.




          • Atiyah's Introduction to Commutative Algebra. Theorem 10.17 on page 110.

          • Eisenbud's Commutative Algebra. Corollary 5.4 on page 150.

          • Bosch's Algebraic Geometry and Commutative Algebra. Theorem 2 on page 71.

          • Matsumura's Commutative Ring Theory. Theorem 8.9 on page 60.


          • The Stack Project. Lemma 10.50.4. https://stacks.math.columbia.edu/tag/00IP


          The proof of Krull Intersection Theorem by using the Primary Decomposition Theorem.




          • Sharp's Steps in Commutative Algebra. Corollary 8.25 on page 159.

          • Milne's A Primer of Commutative Algebra. Remark 19.14 on page 92.






          share|cite|improve this answer












          This lemma was used to proved the Krull Intersection Theorem.



          The proof of Krull Intersection Theorem.




          • Milne's A Primer of Commutative Algebra. Theorem 3.16 on page 13.

          • Hungerford's Algebra. Theorem 4.4 on page 389.


          The proof of Krull Intersection Theorem by using the Artin-Rees Lemma.




          • Atiyah's Introduction to Commutative Algebra. Theorem 10.17 on page 110.

          • Eisenbud's Commutative Algebra. Corollary 5.4 on page 150.

          • Bosch's Algebraic Geometry and Commutative Algebra. Theorem 2 on page 71.

          • Matsumura's Commutative Ring Theory. Theorem 8.9 on page 60.


          • The Stack Project. Lemma 10.50.4. https://stacks.math.columbia.edu/tag/00IP


          The proof of Krull Intersection Theorem by using the Primary Decomposition Theorem.




          • Sharp's Steps in Commutative Algebra. Corollary 8.25 on page 159.

          • Milne's A Primer of Commutative Algebra. Remark 19.14 on page 92.







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          • This is not an answer to your question(s).
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          • I know. But if Hungerford's proof is wrong, these proofs of the lemma are what I need.
            – bfhaha
            Nov 11 at 1:49










          • Hungerford proof is correct. It has some typos, but that's all.
            – user26857
            Nov 11 at 1:53




















          • This is not an answer to your question(s).
            – user26857
            Nov 10 at 23:13












          • I know. But if Hungerford's proof is wrong, these proofs of the lemma are what I need.
            – bfhaha
            Nov 11 at 1:49










          • Hungerford proof is correct. It has some typos, but that's all.
            – user26857
            Nov 11 at 1:53


















          This is not an answer to your question(s).
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          Nov 10 at 23:13






          This is not an answer to your question(s).
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          I know. But if Hungerford's proof is wrong, these proofs of the lemma are what I need.
          – bfhaha
          Nov 11 at 1:49




          I know. But if Hungerford's proof is wrong, these proofs of the lemma are what I need.
          – bfhaha
          Nov 11 at 1:49












          Hungerford proof is correct. It has some typos, but that's all.
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          Nov 11 at 1:53






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