Can I peek at the cards under Bomat Courier whenever I search my library?
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Say I've attacked with Bomat Courier three times, and they're the only cards I have that are exiled face down. Therefore when I search my library, I am in principle able to deduce which cards are under Bomat Courier. This could matter a lot if, e.g., two of those cards are a Force of Will and a blue card to pitch to it (the Force of Will is even immune to targeted discard).
However, to figure out what's under Bomat Courier from searching my library is time-consuming. Therefore, can I just peek at the cards under Bomat Courier whenever I search my library?
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Say I've attacked with Bomat Courier three times, and they're the only cards I have that are exiled face down. Therefore when I search my library, I am in principle able to deduce which cards are under Bomat Courier. This could matter a lot if, e.g., two of those cards are a Force of Will and a blue card to pitch to it (the Force of Will is even immune to targeted discard).
However, to figure out what's under Bomat Courier from searching my library is time-consuming. Therefore, can I just peek at the cards under Bomat Courier whenever I search my library?
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asked 19 hours ago
Allure
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up vote
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Say I've attacked with Bomat Courier three times, and they're the only cards I have that are exiled face down. Therefore when I search my library, I am in principle able to deduce which cards are under Bomat Courier. This could matter a lot if, e.g., two of those cards are a Force of Will and a blue card to pitch to it (the Force of Will is even immune to targeted discard).
However, to figure out what's under Bomat Courier from searching my library is time-consuming. Therefore, can I just peek at the cards under Bomat Courier whenever I search my library?
magic-the-gathering
asked 19 hours ago
Allure
2689
Say I've attacked with Bomat Courier three times, and they're the only cards I have that are exiled face down. Therefore when I search my library, I am in principle able to deduce which cards are under Bomat Courier. This could matter a lot if, e.g., two of those cards are a Force of Will and a blue card to pitch to it (the Force of Will is even immune to targeted discard).
However, to figure out what's under Bomat Courier from searching my library is time-consuming. Therefore, can I just peek at the cards under Bomat Courier whenever I search my library?
magic-the-gathering
magic-the-gathering
asked 19 hours ago
Allure
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asked 19 hours ago
Allure
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asked 19 hours ago
Allure
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asked 19 hours ago
Allure
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asked 19 hours ago
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You can't look at the cards under Bomat Courier. The card's reminder text even says so explicitly. The fact that you could deduce that information doesn't change it.
This is covered by rule 406.3:
Exiled cards are, by default, kept face up and may be examined by any player at any time. Cards “exiled face down” can’t be examined by any player except when instructions allow it. [...]
answered 19 hours ago
murgatroid99♦
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Does that mean I get to do things the time-consuming way and run down the clock?
– Allure
18 hours ago
3
If you are specifically referring to taking a long time to search your library so that you can deduce what hidden cards you have, that is called "slow play", which is a violation of the tournament rules.
– murgatroid99♦
18 hours ago
That would be easily solved by letting me peek at the cards under Bomat Courier, but I'm not allowed to do that ...
– Allure
18 hours ago
10
That's true. But what you're really saying is that if you could violate one rule, you could get this information without violating another rule. But that doesn't give you the right to do either. If you can't get that information without violating a rule, you simply won't have that information.
– murgatroid99♦
18 hours ago
@Allure When searching your library, you can at least expect to be allowed to go through it once at a reasonable pace, but much more than that and it begins to look like slow play. If you're specifically checking for FoW, then you can count those pretty quickly as you go through your library. As for other blue cards in general, that's more difficult to do within reasonable time unless you know exactly how many blue cards are in your deck, and exactly how many you've already seen leave the library (through draws and similar).
– Arthur
16 hours ago
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1 Answer
1
active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
11
down vote
accepted
You can't look at the cards under Bomat Courier. The card's reminder text even says so explicitly. The fact that you could deduce that information doesn't change it.
This is covered by rule 406.3:
Exiled cards are, by default, kept face up and may be examined by any player at any time. Cards “exiled face down” can’t be examined by any player except when instructions allow it. [...]
answered 19 hours ago
murgatroid99♦
44.9k7108186
Does that mean I get to do things the time-consuming way and run down the clock?
– Allure
18 hours ago
3
If you are specifically referring to taking a long time to search your library so that you can deduce what hidden cards you have, that is called "slow play", which is a violation of the tournament rules.
– murgatroid99♦
18 hours ago
That would be easily solved by letting me peek at the cards under Bomat Courier, but I'm not allowed to do that ...
– Allure
18 hours ago
10
That's true. But what you're really saying is that if you could violate one rule, you could get this information without violating another rule. But that doesn't give you the right to do either. If you can't get that information without violating a rule, you simply won't have that information.
– murgatroid99♦
18 hours ago
@Allure When searching your library, you can at least expect to be allowed to go through it once at a reasonable pace, but much more than that and it begins to look like slow play. If you're specifically checking for FoW, then you can count those pretty quickly as you go through your library. As for other blue cards in general, that's more difficult to do within reasonable time unless you know exactly how many blue cards are in your deck, and exactly how many you've already seen leave the library (through draws and similar).
– Arthur
16 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
up vote
11
down vote
accepted
You can't look at the cards under Bomat Courier. The card's reminder text even says so explicitly. The fact that you could deduce that information doesn't change it.
This is covered by rule 406.3:
Exiled cards are, by default, kept face up and may be examined by any player at any time. Cards “exiled face down” can’t be examined by any player except when instructions allow it. [...]
answered 19 hours ago
murgatroid99♦
44.9k7108186
Does that mean I get to do things the time-consuming way and run down the clock?
– Allure
18 hours ago
3
If you are specifically referring to taking a long time to search your library so that you can deduce what hidden cards you have, that is called "slow play", which is a violation of the tournament rules.
– murgatroid99♦
18 hours ago
That would be easily solved by letting me peek at the cards under Bomat Courier, but I'm not allowed to do that ...
– Allure
18 hours ago
10
That's true. But what you're really saying is that if you could violate one rule, you could get this information without violating another rule. But that doesn't give you the right to do either. If you can't get that information without violating a rule, you simply won't have that information.
– murgatroid99♦
18 hours ago
@Allure When searching your library, you can at least expect to be allowed to go through it once at a reasonable pace, but much more than that and it begins to look like slow play. If you're specifically checking for FoW, then you can count those pretty quickly as you go through your library. As for other blue cards in general, that's more difficult to do within reasonable time unless you know exactly how many blue cards are in your deck, and exactly how many you've already seen leave the library (through draws and similar).
– Arthur
16 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
up vote
11
down vote
accepted
up vote
11
down vote
accepted
You can't look at the cards under Bomat Courier. The card's reminder text even says so explicitly. The fact that you could deduce that information doesn't change it.
This is covered by rule 406.3:
Exiled cards are, by default, kept face up and may be examined by any player at any time. Cards “exiled face down” can’t be examined by any player except when instructions allow it. [...]
answered 19 hours ago
murgatroid99♦
44.9k7108186
You can't look at the cards under Bomat Courier. The card's reminder text even says so explicitly. The fact that you could deduce that information doesn't change it.
This is covered by rule 406.3:
Exiled cards are, by default, kept face up and may be examined by any player at any time. Cards “exiled face down” can’t be examined by any player except when instructions allow it. [...]
answered 19 hours ago
murgatroid99♦
44.9k7108186
answered 19 hours ago
murgatroid99♦
44.9k7108186
answered 19 hours ago
murgatroid99♦
44.9k7108186
answered 19 hours ago
murgatroid99♦
44.9k7108186
44.9k7108186
Does that mean I get to do things the time-consuming way and run down the clock?
– Allure
18 hours ago
3
If you are specifically referring to taking a long time to search your library so that you can deduce what hidden cards you have, that is called "slow play", which is a violation of the tournament rules.
– murgatroid99♦
18 hours ago
That would be easily solved by letting me peek at the cards under Bomat Courier, but I'm not allowed to do that ...
– Allure
18 hours ago
10
That's true. But what you're really saying is that if you could violate one rule, you could get this information without violating another rule. But that doesn't give you the right to do either. If you can't get that information without violating a rule, you simply won't have that information.
– murgatroid99♦
18 hours ago
@Allure When searching your library, you can at least expect to be allowed to go through it once at a reasonable pace, but much more than that and it begins to look like slow play. If you're specifically checking for FoW, then you can count those pretty quickly as you go through your library. As for other blue cards in general, that's more difficult to do within reasonable time unless you know exactly how many blue cards are in your deck, and exactly how many you've already seen leave the library (through draws and similar).
– Arthur
16 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
Does that mean I get to do things the time-consuming way and run down the clock?
– Allure
18 hours ago
3
If you are specifically referring to taking a long time to search your library so that you can deduce what hidden cards you have, that is called "slow play", which is a violation of the tournament rules.
– murgatroid99♦
18 hours ago
That would be easily solved by letting me peek at the cards under Bomat Courier, but I'm not allowed to do that ...
– Allure
18 hours ago
10
That's true. But what you're really saying is that if you could violate one rule, you could get this information without violating another rule. But that doesn't give you the right to do either. If you can't get that information without violating a rule, you simply won't have that information.
– murgatroid99♦
18 hours ago
@Allure When searching your library, you can at least expect to be allowed to go through it once at a reasonable pace, but much more than that and it begins to look like slow play. If you're specifically checking for FoW, then you can count those pretty quickly as you go through your library. As for other blue cards in general, that's more difficult to do within reasonable time unless you know exactly how many blue cards are in your deck, and exactly how many you've already seen leave the library (through draws and similar).
– Arthur
16 hours ago
Does that mean I get to do things the time-consuming way and run down the clock?
– Allure
18 hours ago
Does that mean I get to do things the time-consuming way and run down the clock?
– Allure
18 hours ago
3
3
If you are specifically referring to taking a long time to search your library so that you can deduce what hidden cards you have, that is called "slow play", which is a violation of the tournament rules.
– murgatroid99♦
18 hours ago
If you are specifically referring to taking a long time to search your library so that you can deduce what hidden cards you have, that is called "slow play", which is a violation of the tournament rules.
– murgatroid99♦
18 hours ago
That would be easily solved by letting me peek at the cards under Bomat Courier, but I'm not allowed to do that ...
– Allure
18 hours ago
That would be easily solved by letting me peek at the cards under Bomat Courier, but I'm not allowed to do that ...
– Allure
18 hours ago
10
10
That's true. But what you're really saying is that if you could violate one rule, you could get this information without violating another rule. But that doesn't give you the right to do either. If you can't get that information without violating a rule, you simply won't have that information.
– murgatroid99♦
18 hours ago
That's true. But what you're really saying is that if you could violate one rule, you could get this information without violating another rule. But that doesn't give you the right to do either. If you can't get that information without violating a rule, you simply won't have that information.
– murgatroid99♦
18 hours ago
@Allure When searching your library, you can at least expect to be allowed to go through it once at a reasonable pace, but much more than that and it begins to look like slow play. If you're specifically checking for FoW, then you can count those pretty quickly as you go through your library. As for other blue cards in general, that's more difficult to do within reasonable time unless you know exactly how many blue cards are in your deck, and exactly how many you've already seen leave the library (through draws and similar).
– Arthur
16 hours ago
@Allure When searching your library, you can at least expect to be allowed to go through it once at a reasonable pace, but much more than that and it begins to look like slow play. If you're specifically checking for FoW, then you can count those pretty quickly as you go through your library. As for other blue cards in general, that's more difficult to do within reasonable time unless you know exactly how many blue cards are in your deck, and exactly how many you've already seen leave the library (through draws and similar).
– Arthur
16 hours ago
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