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At the King's court, duels are sometimes used as a way of settling disputes. However to avoid too many injuries the king has decreed that combatants must use only one finger as a weapon. Any finger may be chosen.



This is the standard hand position.



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Rules




  1. It's somewhat similar to fencing but with one finger.


  2. Armour is banned. Only light, modesty-preserving clothing may be worn.


  3. Nothing can be worn on or held in the hands. Fingernails must be short.


  4. Once you have chosen which finger to use, you must stick with it until the end of the fight.


  5. The loser is the first to submit or be fatally injured.



Question



Sir Barrard really wants to kill his opponent Sir Forgyle. Can he do it, even in theory? Can he do it with a single blow or would it take several? What are Sir Forgyle's best defence moves to preserve his life?



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These are normal humans in the sense that no magic or superpowers are involved.



You can strike any part of the opponent's body with your chosen finger but you cannot use any other part of your body as a weapon. If you get stuck in a clinch (as in boxing) the referee will separate you.



Note that honour and chivalry are very important in this society. Anyone who was seen to behave in an unsportsmanlike manner would be declared the loser and even ostracised. Referees enforce correct behaviour but the king's decision is final.



NOTES ON DEFENCE



You are allowed to block/parry the opponents finger with your finger as in fencing. You must not strike the opponents finger with any other body-part.



New rule



You must keep your free hand flat on your body at all times. You can form a shield for any part of your body by sliding your hand there without lifting it off your skin. If in doing so, you push aside your opponent's finger as it is about to strike then that is allowed. In the event that your sliding hand damages the opponent's finger that is not counted as a blow and is allowed.










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    No idea why this answer has been closed as it seems not to fit the criteria for the top answer here: worldbuilding.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3300/… and therefore should not have been closed in the first place - except on a whim...?
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    I, too, am completely baffled why this HNQ question would be closed, since by every single definition on the linked "worldbuilding.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3300/…‌​too-story-based-and-how-do-i-get-it-opened", it is in no way story based. It's a clear "can"/"what is possible" question about the mechanics of a fighting in a world of one-finger martial arts. There are clear, unambiguous answers that aren't opinion-based. Voted to reopen.
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    @Duckisaduckisaduck Thanks for your link to that meta thread. I quote from the second most popular answer, "asking whether something is physically possible is on topic." In that case my asking if someone can be killed by a blow from a single finger is clearly on topic.
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    Why was this closed as too story-based? This isn't dependent on the circumstances of the story (at least, not too much) and edits have clarified that. Can a single figure be used in unarmored melee combat to kill someone? That's a physiology question, folks. Vote to reopen.
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At the King's court, duels are sometimes used as a way of settling disputes. However to avoid too many injuries the king has decreed that combatants must use only one finger as a weapon. Any finger may be chosen.



This is the standard hand position.



enter image description here



Rules




  1. It's somewhat similar to fencing but with one finger.


  2. Armour is banned. Only light, modesty-preserving clothing may be worn.


  3. Nothing can be worn on or held in the hands. Fingernails must be short.


  4. Once you have chosen which finger to use, you must stick with it until the end of the fight.


  5. The loser is the first to submit or be fatally injured.



Question



Sir Barrard really wants to kill his opponent Sir Forgyle. Can he do it, even in theory? Can he do it with a single blow or would it take several? What are Sir Forgyle's best defence moves to preserve his life?



NOTE



These are normal humans in the sense that no magic or superpowers are involved.



You can strike any part of the opponent's body with your chosen finger but you cannot use any other part of your body as a weapon. If you get stuck in a clinch (as in boxing) the referee will separate you.



Note that honour and chivalry are very important in this society. Anyone who was seen to behave in an unsportsmanlike manner would be declared the loser and even ostracised. Referees enforce correct behaviour but the king's decision is final.



NOTES ON DEFENCE



You are allowed to block/parry the opponents finger with your finger as in fencing. You must not strike the opponents finger with any other body-part.



New rule



You must keep your free hand flat on your body at all times. You can form a shield for any part of your body by sliding your hand there without lifting it off your skin. If in doing so, you push aside your opponent's finger as it is about to strike then that is allowed. In the event that your sliding hand damages the opponent's finger that is not counted as a blow and is allowed.










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    No idea why this answer has been closed as it seems not to fit the criteria for the top answer here: worldbuilding.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3300/… and therefore should not have been closed in the first place - except on a whim...?
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    I, too, am completely baffled why this HNQ question would be closed, since by every single definition on the linked "worldbuilding.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3300/…‌​too-story-based-and-how-do-i-get-it-opened", it is in no way story based. It's a clear "can"/"what is possible" question about the mechanics of a fighting in a world of one-finger martial arts. There are clear, unambiguous answers that aren't opinion-based. Voted to reopen.
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    @Duckisaduckisaduck Thanks for your link to that meta thread. I quote from the second most popular answer, "asking whether something is physically possible is on topic." In that case my asking if someone can be killed by a blow from a single finger is clearly on topic.
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    Why was this closed as too story-based? This isn't dependent on the circumstances of the story (at least, not too much) and edits have clarified that. Can a single figure be used in unarmored melee combat to kill someone? That's a physiology question, folks. Vote to reopen.
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At the King's court, duels are sometimes used as a way of settling disputes. However to avoid too many injuries the king has decreed that combatants must use only one finger as a weapon. Any finger may be chosen.



This is the standard hand position.



enter image description here



Rules




  1. It's somewhat similar to fencing but with one finger.


  2. Armour is banned. Only light, modesty-preserving clothing may be worn.


  3. Nothing can be worn on or held in the hands. Fingernails must be short.


  4. Once you have chosen which finger to use, you must stick with it until the end of the fight.


  5. The loser is the first to submit or be fatally injured.



Question



Sir Barrard really wants to kill his opponent Sir Forgyle. Can he do it, even in theory? Can he do it with a single blow or would it take several? What are Sir Forgyle's best defence moves to preserve his life?



NOTE



These are normal humans in the sense that no magic or superpowers are involved.



You can strike any part of the opponent's body with your chosen finger but you cannot use any other part of your body as a weapon. If you get stuck in a clinch (as in boxing) the referee will separate you.



Note that honour and chivalry are very important in this society. Anyone who was seen to behave in an unsportsmanlike manner would be declared the loser and even ostracised. Referees enforce correct behaviour but the king's decision is final.



NOTES ON DEFENCE



You are allowed to block/parry the opponents finger with your finger as in fencing. You must not strike the opponents finger with any other body-part.



New rule



You must keep your free hand flat on your body at all times. You can form a shield for any part of your body by sliding your hand there without lifting it off your skin. If in doing so, you push aside your opponent's finger as it is about to strike then that is allowed. In the event that your sliding hand damages the opponent's finger that is not counted as a blow and is allowed.










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At the King's court, duels are sometimes used as a way of settling disputes. However to avoid too many injuries the king has decreed that combatants must use only one finger as a weapon. Any finger may be chosen.



This is the standard hand position.



enter image description here



Rules




  1. It's somewhat similar to fencing but with one finger.


  2. Armour is banned. Only light, modesty-preserving clothing may be worn.


  3. Nothing can be worn on or held in the hands. Fingernails must be short.


  4. Once you have chosen which finger to use, you must stick with it until the end of the fight.


  5. The loser is the first to submit or be fatally injured.



Question



Sir Barrard really wants to kill his opponent Sir Forgyle. Can he do it, even in theory? Can he do it with a single blow or would it take several? What are Sir Forgyle's best defence moves to preserve his life?



NOTE



These are normal humans in the sense that no magic or superpowers are involved.



You can strike any part of the opponent's body with your chosen finger but you cannot use any other part of your body as a weapon. If you get stuck in a clinch (as in boxing) the referee will separate you.



Note that honour and chivalry are very important in this society. Anyone who was seen to behave in an unsportsmanlike manner would be declared the loser and even ostracised. Referees enforce correct behaviour but the king's decision is final.



NOTES ON DEFENCE



You are allowed to block/parry the opponents finger with your finger as in fencing. You must not strike the opponents finger with any other body-part.



New rule



You must keep your free hand flat on your body at all times. You can form a shield for any part of your body by sliding your hand there without lifting it off your skin. If in doing so, you push aside your opponent's finger as it is about to strike then that is allowed. In the event that your sliding hand damages the opponent's finger that is not counted as a blow and is allowed.







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    No idea why this answer has been closed as it seems not to fit the criteria for the top answer here: worldbuilding.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3300/… and therefore should not have been closed in the first place - except on a whim...?
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    I, too, am completely baffled why this HNQ question would be closed, since by every single definition on the linked "worldbuilding.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3300/…‌​too-story-based-and-how-do-i-get-it-opened", it is in no way story based. It's a clear "can"/"what is possible" question about the mechanics of a fighting in a world of one-finger martial arts. There are clear, unambiguous answers that aren't opinion-based. Voted to reopen.
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    @Duckisaduckisaduck Thanks for your link to that meta thread. I quote from the second most popular answer, "asking whether something is physically possible is on topic." In that case my asking if someone can be killed by a blow from a single finger is clearly on topic.
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    Why was this closed as too story-based? This isn't dependent on the circumstances of the story (at least, not too much) and edits have clarified that. Can a single figure be used in unarmored melee combat to kill someone? That's a physiology question, folks. Vote to reopen.
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    I, too, am completely baffled why this HNQ question would be closed, since by every single definition on the linked "worldbuilding.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3300/…‌​too-story-based-and-how-do-i-get-it-opened", it is in no way story based. It's a clear "can"/"what is possible" question about the mechanics of a fighting in a world of one-finger martial arts. There are clear, unambiguous answers that aren't opinion-based. Voted to reopen.
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    @Duckisaduckisaduck Thanks for your link to that meta thread. I quote from the second most popular answer, "asking whether something is physically possible is on topic." In that case my asking if someone can be killed by a blow from a single finger is clearly on topic.
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    Why was this closed as too story-based? This isn't dependent on the circumstances of the story (at least, not too much) and edits have clarified that. Can a single figure be used in unarmored melee combat to kill someone? That's a physiology question, folks. Vote to reopen.
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I, too, am completely baffled why this HNQ question would be closed, since by every single definition on the linked "worldbuilding.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3300/…‌​too-story-based-and-how-do-i-get-it-opened", it is in no way story based. It's a clear "can"/"what is possible" question about the mechanics of a fighting in a world of one-finger martial arts. There are clear, unambiguous answers that aren't opinion-based. Voted to reopen.
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@Duckisaduckisaduck Thanks for your link to that meta thread. I quote from the second most popular answer, "asking whether something is physically possible is on topic." In that case my asking if someone can be killed by a blow from a single finger is clearly on topic.
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Crush their throat. Just jab the finger into the front of the throat as hard as you can.



It's very easy to produce serious injury and death there although you can expect your opponent to try and protect the area.



You may get better results by folding the finger and striking with the 2nd joint rather than using the finger fully extended. You will get a slightly larger striking surface but a much stronger one. I suggest practicing on some disposable peasants before using it on a real target.






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  • Yes, I was wondering about that. However the obvious defence is simply to keep your other hand over your throat.
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    You can also stab at eyes. Can't guard both throat and eyes. While eye injury is not fatal, it is distracting enough to hit the throat
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    @chaslyfromUK put your hand over your throat and start dancing and bobbing and poking with your other hand. It's not so easy to do gracefully.
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  • To add to your point on technque, the rules only require that you touch the opponent with a single finger. They do not stop you from using the other fingers to brace it, whether that's in a similar manner to a "crane beak strike" or an "extended knuckle strike".
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  • @Graham - Bracing is banned because it is difficult to detect whether more than one finger struck. I have added a diagram to the OP.
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To add on Ash's answer, Vagus nerve stimulation can lead to collapse and even to death, as consequence of induced bradycardia.




Parasympathetic innervation of the heart is partially controlled by the vagus nerve and is shared by the thoracic ganglia. Vagal and spinal ganglionic nerves mediate the lowering of the heart rate. The right vagus branch innervates the sinoatrial node. In healthy people, parasympathetic tone from these sources are well-matched to sympathetic tone. Hyperstimulation of parasympathetic influence promotes bradyarrhythmias. When hyperstimulated, the left vagal branch predisposes the heart to conduction block at the atrioventricular node.




Sometimes even a too tight necktie can achieve that result.






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  • how would that be accomplished with a finger - jabbing? sustained pressure?
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  • Interesting. I'm not clear on what part of the body the vagus nerve is vulnerable. Is near the surface in the neck region?
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  • posterior to the carotid. check out the diagrams on the link in the answer.
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Sir Barrard probably could kill him with one blow, in theory at least. In particular the hyoid bone is surprisingly delicate and can be crushed with a sharp blow, a single finger could be sufficient to do the damage. It might also be possible to do enough damage to the carotid or better yet, because it's closer to the surface, the jugular to cause death after rather than during the fight due to internal hemorrhage. The brachial artery is also close enough to the surface that it may be vulnerable to such damage, not immediately but eventually deadly. Fragmentation of the nasal bones could also be lethal, but would almost certainly require multiple strikes as they are much stronger.






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    Interesting, I was hospitalised when I was 7 years old for a broken hyoid. I had an unbearable stabbing pain if I tried to move my head to the left. I was in plaster from the top of my head to my waist for several weeks. (Didn't kill me though! ;-)
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  • Of course combatants would know of danger to the throat area and would presumably protect it with their free hand. However not all might know about the brachial artery or be able to protect it and fight at the same time. I think that might be the answer.
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  • the problem w/ the carotid is, there are two of them. and either defended rather easily by an opposing finger, and/or body roll.
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Poison



I understand that there is a rather fatal exotic poison that can be applied to the fingertip.



The finger then may be either jabbed in the opponent's eye or his mouth, or if you're feeling like making a particular point, up his nose.



Carefull to not get cut during the fight though, the poison may find it's way into your bloodstream.



Maybe the mouth's not such a great idea as a target, there being teeth after all.
The most suspicious and canny of opponents would wear a nasal insert with a downward facing pin - beware. No doubt the referees are wise to this.



The most dishonourable way to die is the old anal-finger-poisoning (familiar from Brazillian Ju-Jitsu), not for civilised opponents.






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    Wasn't this the end of Hamlet? :-) Sir Barrard could indeed try this but it would be considered unsporting of the first order. If he was discovered he would be sent into exile.
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    Up the nose!!!! I laughed more than I should have at that tragically farcical detail.. +1
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    Probably this comment will be excommunicated as off-topic but, once I was walking along the High Street and a woman went to point out something to her friend. Her finger went straight up my nose. Luckily she had short finger-nails and I was uninjured but the woman was very embarrassed.
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  • @chaslyfromUK Lucky she didn't broke your hyoid bone for a second time record! :) By the way, this answer deserves a badge for best lateral thinking. Special mention to anal-finger poisoning. +1
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Hard training of single digits



Take inspiration from this fella from Malaysia. He trained (and often broke) his right index finger to the point where he is able to pierce coconuts. Such a blow to a human torso could result in lethal injuries. I imagine, that upon passing of this law, many nobles start training one of their fingers to this extent. No magic or superpowers required.






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    I do not have the book to hand, but I recall a tale about a martial artist who delivered a kick with his big-toe into the arteries in his opponent's left armpit. The interior damage caused a blood clot, and over the next 3 days the resulting embolism worked its way from the armpit to the heart, leading to cardiac arrest and death. But, really - if Sir Forgyle dies 3 days after the fight, his family are less likely to come after Sir Barrad for revenge
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  • Given that the scientist estimates that this guy could punch into someone's chest cavity, I think it's fairly conclusive he could kill someone. Mind you coconuts don't try to dodge!
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Other answers already suggested attacking the throat area, which indeed has a number of fatal vulnerabilities. However, even inexperienced duelist would know to keep his throat protected, and attacker would more likely just break his finger trying to push through defensive blocks.



Martial arts like Kyusho Jitsu can provide an idea on how finder-fighting duels can unfold. An attacker can strike a number of vulnerable points in the body, which would cause the defender to drop his defense, at least momentarily.



More experienced defenders would try to break attacker's finger with powerful elbow or forehead blocks.






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In my imagining, these are the sorts of disputatious nobles who wear ruffled shirts, powdered hair with little pig tails out the back, short breetches, shoes with buckles, codpieces, all that sort of finery. Think of a men writing with feathers mgm movie from the 30s, such as the scarlet pimpernel - only much, much worse.



In preparation for the finger fight, legs and non-participating arm are tightly bound, only the belligerent finger and arm left unrestrained. They are also blind-folded. A string quartet provides background music, claret is served to the spectators, who view from a raised balcony above the arena.



When the magistrate sounds action, the disputants are free to bound around the place, flinging their fingers furiously, un a d'autre (that's french).



Each combatant has a receptor implanted somewhere upon their person which when actuated with a firm jab, will release a dose of immediately fatal poison.



And so, the spectacle becomes a series of furious jabbing exchanges where, as with the gladiators of old, points are awarded for style. The woman play the closest attention.



If, after a suitable interval of say 20 minutes or so, no one is yet dead, the survivors are both lauded as the best of all posible men, all trivial injury forgiven, any serious injury recompensed, and the wine flows freely.



If one is killed, the wine still flows freely, with perhaps a tear for the vanquished, or perhaps not, depending.






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    Nice scene setting, cumulative poisoning upon each jab might work better, that said: +1
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  • that would be "l'un à l'autre" though
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  • historical note - most duels of the 18th-19th century weren't fatal. if they had been, the practice would have died out a lot sooner. it was mainly assuming the hazard of death which answered the question of honor.
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If you are willing to bend the rules a bit, you could take inspiration from Naruto vs Neji fight.



In the Naruto universe, every person has many Chakra/Pressure points throughout their body. The chakra points release chakra/energy that is essential for the body to function. If you close off a chakra point, then the corresponding body part stops functioning (or at least becomes much weaker). In this fight, Neji slowly closes off all of Naruto's chakra points, and as a result, Naruto's body becomes so weak that he can barely even stand.



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  • Maybe the knowledge about pressure points is not common and Sir Barrard incapacitates his baffled opponent one pressure point at a time.


  • Or it is common knowledge in dueling circles, and it comes down to the skill of the fighters -- who can close off more/important pressure points first and incapacitate/weaken the other.



Once the opponent is sufficiently incapacitated, and their defenses are weakened, a single powerful jab to the throat can be enough to finish them off.



Plus, the second method makes the fights a lot more interesting to watch than fighters just trying to poke each other in the eyes/throat/groin.






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    He could possible fatally wound another person but i would suggest that instead of his index finger he use his thumb. By curling his fist and placing his thumb along the top of his index finger like this picture below
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    In Karate I believe this is called a Boshiken or thumb strike. I believe it can be used to dig into various pressure points around the head and the throat and can even be used to gouge out eyes it also has the effect of allowing you the thumb to hit even a hardened part of the body with out touch much damage and does not require some of the more long term ruinous contact conditioning that say training something like the Nukite or spear hand can cause.
    in this instance the contact point will still be a single digit just not a finger.






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      Crush their throat. Just jab the finger into the front of the throat as hard as you can.



      It's very easy to produce serious injury and death there although you can expect your opponent to try and protect the area.



      You may get better results by folding the finger and striking with the 2nd joint rather than using the finger fully extended. You will get a slightly larger striking surface but a much stronger one. I suggest practicing on some disposable peasants before using it on a real target.






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      • Yes, I was wondering about that. However the obvious defence is simply to keep your other hand over your throat.
        – chasly from UK
        yesterday






      • 15




        You can also stab at eyes. Can't guard both throat and eyes. While eye injury is not fatal, it is distracting enough to hit the throat
        – Bald Bear
        yesterday






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        @chaslyfromUK put your hand over your throat and start dancing and bobbing and poking with your other hand. It's not so easy to do gracefully.
        – RonJohn
        yesterday










      • To add to your point on technque, the rules only require that you touch the opponent with a single finger. They do not stop you from using the other fingers to brace it, whether that's in a similar manner to a "crane beak strike" or an "extended knuckle strike".
        – Graham
        6 hours ago










      • @Graham - Bracing is banned because it is difficult to detect whether more than one finger struck. I have added a diagram to the OP.
        – chasly from UK
        33 mins ago















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      Crush their throat. Just jab the finger into the front of the throat as hard as you can.



      It's very easy to produce serious injury and death there although you can expect your opponent to try and protect the area.



      You may get better results by folding the finger and striking with the 2nd joint rather than using the finger fully extended. You will get a slightly larger striking surface but a much stronger one. I suggest practicing on some disposable peasants before using it on a real target.






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      • Yes, I was wondering about that. However the obvious defence is simply to keep your other hand over your throat.
        – chasly from UK
        yesterday






      • 15




        You can also stab at eyes. Can't guard both throat and eyes. While eye injury is not fatal, it is distracting enough to hit the throat
        – Bald Bear
        yesterday






      • 1




        @chaslyfromUK put your hand over your throat and start dancing and bobbing and poking with your other hand. It's not so easy to do gracefully.
        – RonJohn
        yesterday










      • To add to your point on technque, the rules only require that you touch the opponent with a single finger. They do not stop you from using the other fingers to brace it, whether that's in a similar manner to a "crane beak strike" or an "extended knuckle strike".
        – Graham
        6 hours ago










      • @Graham - Bracing is banned because it is difficult to detect whether more than one finger struck. I have added a diagram to the OP.
        – chasly from UK
        33 mins ago













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      Crush their throat. Just jab the finger into the front of the throat as hard as you can.



      It's very easy to produce serious injury and death there although you can expect your opponent to try and protect the area.



      You may get better results by folding the finger and striking with the 2nd joint rather than using the finger fully extended. You will get a slightly larger striking surface but a much stronger one. I suggest practicing on some disposable peasants before using it on a real target.






      share|improve this answer












      Crush their throat. Just jab the finger into the front of the throat as hard as you can.



      It's very easy to produce serious injury and death there although you can expect your opponent to try and protect the area.



      You may get better results by folding the finger and striking with the 2nd joint rather than using the finger fully extended. You will get a slightly larger striking surface but a much stronger one. I suggest practicing on some disposable peasants before using it on a real target.







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      Tim B

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      • Yes, I was wondering about that. However the obvious defence is simply to keep your other hand over your throat.
        – chasly from UK
        yesterday






      • 15




        You can also stab at eyes. Can't guard both throat and eyes. While eye injury is not fatal, it is distracting enough to hit the throat
        – Bald Bear
        yesterday






      • 1




        @chaslyfromUK put your hand over your throat and start dancing and bobbing and poking with your other hand. It's not so easy to do gracefully.
        – RonJohn
        yesterday










      • To add to your point on technque, the rules only require that you touch the opponent with a single finger. They do not stop you from using the other fingers to brace it, whether that's in a similar manner to a "crane beak strike" or an "extended knuckle strike".
        – Graham
        6 hours ago










      • @Graham - Bracing is banned because it is difficult to detect whether more than one finger struck. I have added a diagram to the OP.
        – chasly from UK
        33 mins ago


















      • Yes, I was wondering about that. However the obvious defence is simply to keep your other hand over your throat.
        – chasly from UK
        yesterday






      • 15




        You can also stab at eyes. Can't guard both throat and eyes. While eye injury is not fatal, it is distracting enough to hit the throat
        – Bald Bear
        yesterday






      • 1




        @chaslyfromUK put your hand over your throat and start dancing and bobbing and poking with your other hand. It's not so easy to do gracefully.
        – RonJohn
        yesterday










      • To add to your point on technque, the rules only require that you touch the opponent with a single finger. They do not stop you from using the other fingers to brace it, whether that's in a similar manner to a "crane beak strike" or an "extended knuckle strike".
        – Graham
        6 hours ago










      • @Graham - Bracing is banned because it is difficult to detect whether more than one finger struck. I have added a diagram to the OP.
        – chasly from UK
        33 mins ago
















      Yes, I was wondering about that. However the obvious defence is simply to keep your other hand over your throat.
      – chasly from UK
      yesterday




      Yes, I was wondering about that. However the obvious defence is simply to keep your other hand over your throat.
      – chasly from UK
      yesterday




      15




      15




      You can also stab at eyes. Can't guard both throat and eyes. While eye injury is not fatal, it is distracting enough to hit the throat
      – Bald Bear
      yesterday




      You can also stab at eyes. Can't guard both throat and eyes. While eye injury is not fatal, it is distracting enough to hit the throat
      – Bald Bear
      yesterday




      1




      1




      @chaslyfromUK put your hand over your throat and start dancing and bobbing and poking with your other hand. It's not so easy to do gracefully.
      – RonJohn
      yesterday




      @chaslyfromUK put your hand over your throat and start dancing and bobbing and poking with your other hand. It's not so easy to do gracefully.
      – RonJohn
      yesterday












      To add to your point on technque, the rules only require that you touch the opponent with a single finger. They do not stop you from using the other fingers to brace it, whether that's in a similar manner to a "crane beak strike" or an "extended knuckle strike".
      – Graham
      6 hours ago




      To add to your point on technque, the rules only require that you touch the opponent with a single finger. They do not stop you from using the other fingers to brace it, whether that's in a similar manner to a "crane beak strike" or an "extended knuckle strike".
      – Graham
      6 hours ago












      @Graham - Bracing is banned because it is difficult to detect whether more than one finger struck. I have added a diagram to the OP.
      – chasly from UK
      33 mins ago




      @Graham - Bracing is banned because it is difficult to detect whether more than one finger struck. I have added a diagram to the OP.
      – chasly from UK
      33 mins ago










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      To add on Ash's answer, Vagus nerve stimulation can lead to collapse and even to death, as consequence of induced bradycardia.




      Parasympathetic innervation of the heart is partially controlled by the vagus nerve and is shared by the thoracic ganglia. Vagal and spinal ganglionic nerves mediate the lowering of the heart rate. The right vagus branch innervates the sinoatrial node. In healthy people, parasympathetic tone from these sources are well-matched to sympathetic tone. Hyperstimulation of parasympathetic influence promotes bradyarrhythmias. When hyperstimulated, the left vagal branch predisposes the heart to conduction block at the atrioventricular node.




      Sometimes even a too tight necktie can achieve that result.






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      • how would that be accomplished with a finger - jabbing? sustained pressure?
        – theRiley
        yesterday










      • Interesting. I'm not clear on what part of the body the vagus nerve is vulnerable. Is near the surface in the neck region?
        – chasly from UK
        yesterday










      • posterior to the carotid. check out the diagrams on the link in the answer.
        – theRiley
        yesterday















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      To add on Ash's answer, Vagus nerve stimulation can lead to collapse and even to death, as consequence of induced bradycardia.




      Parasympathetic innervation of the heart is partially controlled by the vagus nerve and is shared by the thoracic ganglia. Vagal and spinal ganglionic nerves mediate the lowering of the heart rate. The right vagus branch innervates the sinoatrial node. In healthy people, parasympathetic tone from these sources are well-matched to sympathetic tone. Hyperstimulation of parasympathetic influence promotes bradyarrhythmias. When hyperstimulated, the left vagal branch predisposes the heart to conduction block at the atrioventricular node.




      Sometimes even a too tight necktie can achieve that result.






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      • how would that be accomplished with a finger - jabbing? sustained pressure?
        – theRiley
        yesterday










      • Interesting. I'm not clear on what part of the body the vagus nerve is vulnerable. Is near the surface in the neck region?
        – chasly from UK
        yesterday










      • posterior to the carotid. check out the diagrams on the link in the answer.
        – theRiley
        yesterday













      up vote
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      up vote
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      To add on Ash's answer, Vagus nerve stimulation can lead to collapse and even to death, as consequence of induced bradycardia.




      Parasympathetic innervation of the heart is partially controlled by the vagus nerve and is shared by the thoracic ganglia. Vagal and spinal ganglionic nerves mediate the lowering of the heart rate. The right vagus branch innervates the sinoatrial node. In healthy people, parasympathetic tone from these sources are well-matched to sympathetic tone. Hyperstimulation of parasympathetic influence promotes bradyarrhythmias. When hyperstimulated, the left vagal branch predisposes the heart to conduction block at the atrioventricular node.




      Sometimes even a too tight necktie can achieve that result.






      share|improve this answer












      To add on Ash's answer, Vagus nerve stimulation can lead to collapse and even to death, as consequence of induced bradycardia.




      Parasympathetic innervation of the heart is partially controlled by the vagus nerve and is shared by the thoracic ganglia. Vagal and spinal ganglionic nerves mediate the lowering of the heart rate. The right vagus branch innervates the sinoatrial node. In healthy people, parasympathetic tone from these sources are well-matched to sympathetic tone. Hyperstimulation of parasympathetic influence promotes bradyarrhythmias. When hyperstimulated, the left vagal branch predisposes the heart to conduction block at the atrioventricular node.




      Sometimes even a too tight necktie can achieve that result.







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      L.Dutch

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      • how would that be accomplished with a finger - jabbing? sustained pressure?
        – theRiley
        yesterday










      • Interesting. I'm not clear on what part of the body the vagus nerve is vulnerable. Is near the surface in the neck region?
        – chasly from UK
        yesterday










      • posterior to the carotid. check out the diagrams on the link in the answer.
        – theRiley
        yesterday


















      • how would that be accomplished with a finger - jabbing? sustained pressure?
        – theRiley
        yesterday










      • Interesting. I'm not clear on what part of the body the vagus nerve is vulnerable. Is near the surface in the neck region?
        – chasly from UK
        yesterday










      • posterior to the carotid. check out the diagrams on the link in the answer.
        – theRiley
        yesterday
















      how would that be accomplished with a finger - jabbing? sustained pressure?
      – theRiley
      yesterday




      how would that be accomplished with a finger - jabbing? sustained pressure?
      – theRiley
      yesterday












      Interesting. I'm not clear on what part of the body the vagus nerve is vulnerable. Is near the surface in the neck region?
      – chasly from UK
      yesterday




      Interesting. I'm not clear on what part of the body the vagus nerve is vulnerable. Is near the surface in the neck region?
      – chasly from UK
      yesterday












      posterior to the carotid. check out the diagrams on the link in the answer.
      – theRiley
      yesterday




      posterior to the carotid. check out the diagrams on the link in the answer.
      – theRiley
      yesterday










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      Sir Barrard probably could kill him with one blow, in theory at least. In particular the hyoid bone is surprisingly delicate and can be crushed with a sharp blow, a single finger could be sufficient to do the damage. It might also be possible to do enough damage to the carotid or better yet, because it's closer to the surface, the jugular to cause death after rather than during the fight due to internal hemorrhage. The brachial artery is also close enough to the surface that it may be vulnerable to such damage, not immediately but eventually deadly. Fragmentation of the nasal bones could also be lethal, but would almost certainly require multiple strikes as they are much stronger.






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        Interesting, I was hospitalised when I was 7 years old for a broken hyoid. I had an unbearable stabbing pain if I tried to move my head to the left. I was in plaster from the top of my head to my waist for several weeks. (Didn't kill me though! ;-)
        – chasly from UK
        yesterday










      • Of course combatants would know of danger to the throat area and would presumably protect it with their free hand. However not all might know about the brachial artery or be able to protect it and fight at the same time. I think that might be the answer.
        – chasly from UK
        yesterday










      • Don't forget the vagus nerve stimulation.
        – L.Dutch
        yesterday










      • the problem w/ the carotid is, there are two of them. and either defended rather easily by an opposing finger, and/or body roll.
        – theRiley
        yesterday












      • @L.Dutch Nope I totally did forget about that, you should put that in an answer.
        – Ash
        yesterday















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      Sir Barrard probably could kill him with one blow, in theory at least. In particular the hyoid bone is surprisingly delicate and can be crushed with a sharp blow, a single finger could be sufficient to do the damage. It might also be possible to do enough damage to the carotid or better yet, because it's closer to the surface, the jugular to cause death after rather than during the fight due to internal hemorrhage. The brachial artery is also close enough to the surface that it may be vulnerable to such damage, not immediately but eventually deadly. Fragmentation of the nasal bones could also be lethal, but would almost certainly require multiple strikes as they are much stronger.






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      • 2




        Interesting, I was hospitalised when I was 7 years old for a broken hyoid. I had an unbearable stabbing pain if I tried to move my head to the left. I was in plaster from the top of my head to my waist for several weeks. (Didn't kill me though! ;-)
        – chasly from UK
        yesterday










      • Of course combatants would know of danger to the throat area and would presumably protect it with their free hand. However not all might know about the brachial artery or be able to protect it and fight at the same time. I think that might be the answer.
        – chasly from UK
        yesterday










      • Don't forget the vagus nerve stimulation.
        – L.Dutch
        yesterday










      • the problem w/ the carotid is, there are two of them. and either defended rather easily by an opposing finger, and/or body roll.
        – theRiley
        yesterday












      • @L.Dutch Nope I totally did forget about that, you should put that in an answer.
        – Ash
        yesterday













      up vote
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      up vote
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      Sir Barrard probably could kill him with one blow, in theory at least. In particular the hyoid bone is surprisingly delicate and can be crushed with a sharp blow, a single finger could be sufficient to do the damage. It might also be possible to do enough damage to the carotid or better yet, because it's closer to the surface, the jugular to cause death after rather than during the fight due to internal hemorrhage. The brachial artery is also close enough to the surface that it may be vulnerable to such damage, not immediately but eventually deadly. Fragmentation of the nasal bones could also be lethal, but would almost certainly require multiple strikes as they are much stronger.






      share|improve this answer














      Sir Barrard probably could kill him with one blow, in theory at least. In particular the hyoid bone is surprisingly delicate and can be crushed with a sharp blow, a single finger could be sufficient to do the damage. It might also be possible to do enough damage to the carotid or better yet, because it's closer to the surface, the jugular to cause death after rather than during the fight due to internal hemorrhage. The brachial artery is also close enough to the surface that it may be vulnerable to such damage, not immediately but eventually deadly. Fragmentation of the nasal bones could also be lethal, but would almost certainly require multiple strikes as they are much stronger.







      share|improve this answer














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      edited yesterday

























      answered yesterday









      Ash

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        Interesting, I was hospitalised when I was 7 years old for a broken hyoid. I had an unbearable stabbing pain if I tried to move my head to the left. I was in plaster from the top of my head to my waist for several weeks. (Didn't kill me though! ;-)
        – chasly from UK
        yesterday










      • Of course combatants would know of danger to the throat area and would presumably protect it with their free hand. However not all might know about the brachial artery or be able to protect it and fight at the same time. I think that might be the answer.
        – chasly from UK
        yesterday










      • Don't forget the vagus nerve stimulation.
        – L.Dutch
        yesterday










      • the problem w/ the carotid is, there are two of them. and either defended rather easily by an opposing finger, and/or body roll.
        – theRiley
        yesterday












      • @L.Dutch Nope I totally did forget about that, you should put that in an answer.
        – Ash
        yesterday














      • 2




        Interesting, I was hospitalised when I was 7 years old for a broken hyoid. I had an unbearable stabbing pain if I tried to move my head to the left. I was in plaster from the top of my head to my waist for several weeks. (Didn't kill me though! ;-)
        – chasly from UK
        yesterday










      • Of course combatants would know of danger to the throat area and would presumably protect it with their free hand. However not all might know about the brachial artery or be able to protect it and fight at the same time. I think that might be the answer.
        – chasly from UK
        yesterday










      • Don't forget the vagus nerve stimulation.
        – L.Dutch
        yesterday










      • the problem w/ the carotid is, there are two of them. and either defended rather easily by an opposing finger, and/or body roll.
        – theRiley
        yesterday












      • @L.Dutch Nope I totally did forget about that, you should put that in an answer.
        – Ash
        yesterday








      2




      2




      Interesting, I was hospitalised when I was 7 years old for a broken hyoid. I had an unbearable stabbing pain if I tried to move my head to the left. I was in plaster from the top of my head to my waist for several weeks. (Didn't kill me though! ;-)
      – chasly from UK
      yesterday




      Interesting, I was hospitalised when I was 7 years old for a broken hyoid. I had an unbearable stabbing pain if I tried to move my head to the left. I was in plaster from the top of my head to my waist for several weeks. (Didn't kill me though! ;-)
      – chasly from UK
      yesterday












      Of course combatants would know of danger to the throat area and would presumably protect it with their free hand. However not all might know about the brachial artery or be able to protect it and fight at the same time. I think that might be the answer.
      – chasly from UK
      yesterday




      Of course combatants would know of danger to the throat area and would presumably protect it with their free hand. However not all might know about the brachial artery or be able to protect it and fight at the same time. I think that might be the answer.
      – chasly from UK
      yesterday












      Don't forget the vagus nerve stimulation.
      – L.Dutch
      yesterday




      Don't forget the vagus nerve stimulation.
      – L.Dutch
      yesterday












      the problem w/ the carotid is, there are two of them. and either defended rather easily by an opposing finger, and/or body roll.
      – theRiley
      yesterday






      the problem w/ the carotid is, there are two of them. and either defended rather easily by an opposing finger, and/or body roll.
      – theRiley
      yesterday














      @L.Dutch Nope I totally did forget about that, you should put that in an answer.
      – Ash
      yesterday




      @L.Dutch Nope I totally did forget about that, you should put that in an answer.
      – Ash
      yesterday










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      Poison



      I understand that there is a rather fatal exotic poison that can be applied to the fingertip.



      The finger then may be either jabbed in the opponent's eye or his mouth, or if you're feeling like making a particular point, up his nose.



      Carefull to not get cut during the fight though, the poison may find it's way into your bloodstream.



      Maybe the mouth's not such a great idea as a target, there being teeth after all.
      The most suspicious and canny of opponents would wear a nasal insert with a downward facing pin - beware. No doubt the referees are wise to this.



      The most dishonourable way to die is the old anal-finger-poisoning (familiar from Brazillian Ju-Jitsu), not for civilised opponents.






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        Wasn't this the end of Hamlet? :-) Sir Barrard could indeed try this but it would be considered unsporting of the first order. If he was discovered he would be sent into exile.
        – chasly from UK
        yesterday






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        Up the nose!!!! I laughed more than I should have at that tragically farcical detail.. +1
        – Joe Bloggs
        yesterday








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        Probably this comment will be excommunicated as off-topic but, once I was walking along the High Street and a woman went to point out something to her friend. Her finger went straight up my nose. Luckily she had short finger-nails and I was uninjured but the woman was very embarrassed.
        – chasly from UK
        12 hours ago










      • @chaslyfromUK Lucky she didn't broke your hyoid bone for a second time record! :) By the way, this answer deserves a badge for best lateral thinking. Special mention to anal-finger poisoning. +1
        – Rekesoft
        11 hours ago

















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      Poison



      I understand that there is a rather fatal exotic poison that can be applied to the fingertip.



      The finger then may be either jabbed in the opponent's eye or his mouth, or if you're feeling like making a particular point, up his nose.



      Carefull to not get cut during the fight though, the poison may find it's way into your bloodstream.



      Maybe the mouth's not such a great idea as a target, there being teeth after all.
      The most suspicious and canny of opponents would wear a nasal insert with a downward facing pin - beware. No doubt the referees are wise to this.



      The most dishonourable way to die is the old anal-finger-poisoning (familiar from Brazillian Ju-Jitsu), not for civilised opponents.






      share|improve this answer



















      • 1




        Wasn't this the end of Hamlet? :-) Sir Barrard could indeed try this but it would be considered unsporting of the first order. If he was discovered he would be sent into exile.
        – chasly from UK
        yesterday






      • 1




        Up the nose!!!! I laughed more than I should have at that tragically farcical detail.. +1
        – Joe Bloggs
        yesterday








      • 2




        Probably this comment will be excommunicated as off-topic but, once I was walking along the High Street and a woman went to point out something to her friend. Her finger went straight up my nose. Luckily she had short finger-nails and I was uninjured but the woman was very embarrassed.
        – chasly from UK
        12 hours ago










      • @chaslyfromUK Lucky she didn't broke your hyoid bone for a second time record! :) By the way, this answer deserves a badge for best lateral thinking. Special mention to anal-finger poisoning. +1
        – Rekesoft
        11 hours ago















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      up vote
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      Poison



      I understand that there is a rather fatal exotic poison that can be applied to the fingertip.



      The finger then may be either jabbed in the opponent's eye or his mouth, or if you're feeling like making a particular point, up his nose.



      Carefull to not get cut during the fight though, the poison may find it's way into your bloodstream.



      Maybe the mouth's not such a great idea as a target, there being teeth after all.
      The most suspicious and canny of opponents would wear a nasal insert with a downward facing pin - beware. No doubt the referees are wise to this.



      The most dishonourable way to die is the old anal-finger-poisoning (familiar from Brazillian Ju-Jitsu), not for civilised opponents.






      share|improve this answer














      Poison



      I understand that there is a rather fatal exotic poison that can be applied to the fingertip.



      The finger then may be either jabbed in the opponent's eye or his mouth, or if you're feeling like making a particular point, up his nose.



      Carefull to not get cut during the fight though, the poison may find it's way into your bloodstream.



      Maybe the mouth's not such a great idea as a target, there being teeth after all.
      The most suspicious and canny of opponents would wear a nasal insert with a downward facing pin - beware. No doubt the referees are wise to this.



      The most dishonourable way to die is the old anal-finger-poisoning (familiar from Brazillian Ju-Jitsu), not for civilised opponents.







      share|improve this answer














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      edited yesterday

























      answered yesterday









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        Wasn't this the end of Hamlet? :-) Sir Barrard could indeed try this but it would be considered unsporting of the first order. If he was discovered he would be sent into exile.
        – chasly from UK
        yesterday






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        Up the nose!!!! I laughed more than I should have at that tragically farcical detail.. +1
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        Probably this comment will be excommunicated as off-topic but, once I was walking along the High Street and a woman went to point out something to her friend. Her finger went straight up my nose. Luckily she had short finger-nails and I was uninjured but the woman was very embarrassed.
        – chasly from UK
        12 hours ago










      • @chaslyfromUK Lucky she didn't broke your hyoid bone for a second time record! :) By the way, this answer deserves a badge for best lateral thinking. Special mention to anal-finger poisoning. +1
        – Rekesoft
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        Wasn't this the end of Hamlet? :-) Sir Barrard could indeed try this but it would be considered unsporting of the first order. If he was discovered he would be sent into exile.
        – chasly from UK
        yesterday






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        Up the nose!!!! I laughed more than I should have at that tragically farcical detail.. +1
        – Joe Bloggs
        yesterday








      • 2




        Probably this comment will be excommunicated as off-topic but, once I was walking along the High Street and a woman went to point out something to her friend. Her finger went straight up my nose. Luckily she had short finger-nails and I was uninjured but the woman was very embarrassed.
        – chasly from UK
        12 hours ago










      • @chaslyfromUK Lucky she didn't broke your hyoid bone for a second time record! :) By the way, this answer deserves a badge for best lateral thinking. Special mention to anal-finger poisoning. +1
        – Rekesoft
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      Wasn't this the end of Hamlet? :-) Sir Barrard could indeed try this but it would be considered unsporting of the first order. If he was discovered he would be sent into exile.
      – chasly from UK
      yesterday




      Wasn't this the end of Hamlet? :-) Sir Barrard could indeed try this but it would be considered unsporting of the first order. If he was discovered he would be sent into exile.
      – chasly from UK
      yesterday




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      Up the nose!!!! I laughed more than I should have at that tragically farcical detail.. +1
      – Joe Bloggs
      yesterday






      Up the nose!!!! I laughed more than I should have at that tragically farcical detail.. +1
      – Joe Bloggs
      yesterday






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      2




      Probably this comment will be excommunicated as off-topic but, once I was walking along the High Street and a woman went to point out something to her friend. Her finger went straight up my nose. Luckily she had short finger-nails and I was uninjured but the woman was very embarrassed.
      – chasly from UK
      12 hours ago




      Probably this comment will be excommunicated as off-topic but, once I was walking along the High Street and a woman went to point out something to her friend. Her finger went straight up my nose. Luckily she had short finger-nails and I was uninjured but the woman was very embarrassed.
      – chasly from UK
      12 hours ago












      @chaslyfromUK Lucky she didn't broke your hyoid bone for a second time record! :) By the way, this answer deserves a badge for best lateral thinking. Special mention to anal-finger poisoning. +1
      – Rekesoft
      11 hours ago






      @chaslyfromUK Lucky she didn't broke your hyoid bone for a second time record! :) By the way, this answer deserves a badge for best lateral thinking. Special mention to anal-finger poisoning. +1
      – Rekesoft
      11 hours ago












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      Hard training of single digits



      Take inspiration from this fella from Malaysia. He trained (and often broke) his right index finger to the point where he is able to pierce coconuts. Such a blow to a human torso could result in lethal injuries. I imagine, that upon passing of this law, many nobles start training one of their fingers to this extent. No magic or superpowers required.






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        I do not have the book to hand, but I recall a tale about a martial artist who delivered a kick with his big-toe into the arteries in his opponent's left armpit. The interior damage caused a blood clot, and over the next 3 days the resulting embolism worked its way from the armpit to the heart, leading to cardiac arrest and death. But, really - if Sir Forgyle dies 3 days after the fight, his family are less likely to come after Sir Barrad for revenge
        – Chronocidal
        9 hours ago










      • Given that the scientist estimates that this guy could punch into someone's chest cavity, I think it's fairly conclusive he could kill someone. Mind you coconuts don't try to dodge!
        – chasly from UK
        2 hours ago















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      Hard training of single digits



      Take inspiration from this fella from Malaysia. He trained (and often broke) his right index finger to the point where he is able to pierce coconuts. Such a blow to a human torso could result in lethal injuries. I imagine, that upon passing of this law, many nobles start training one of their fingers to this extent. No magic or superpowers required.






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        I do not have the book to hand, but I recall a tale about a martial artist who delivered a kick with his big-toe into the arteries in his opponent's left armpit. The interior damage caused a blood clot, and over the next 3 days the resulting embolism worked its way from the armpit to the heart, leading to cardiac arrest and death. But, really - if Sir Forgyle dies 3 days after the fight, his family are less likely to come after Sir Barrad for revenge
        – Chronocidal
        9 hours ago










      • Given that the scientist estimates that this guy could punch into someone's chest cavity, I think it's fairly conclusive he could kill someone. Mind you coconuts don't try to dodge!
        – chasly from UK
        2 hours ago













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      Hard training of single digits



      Take inspiration from this fella from Malaysia. He trained (and often broke) his right index finger to the point where he is able to pierce coconuts. Such a blow to a human torso could result in lethal injuries. I imagine, that upon passing of this law, many nobles start training one of their fingers to this extent. No magic or superpowers required.






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      Hard training of single digits



      Take inspiration from this fella from Malaysia. He trained (and often broke) his right index finger to the point where he is able to pierce coconuts. Such a blow to a human torso could result in lethal injuries. I imagine, that upon passing of this law, many nobles start training one of their fingers to this extent. No magic or superpowers required.







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      M.Herzkamp

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        I do not have the book to hand, but I recall a tale about a martial artist who delivered a kick with his big-toe into the arteries in his opponent's left armpit. The interior damage caused a blood clot, and over the next 3 days the resulting embolism worked its way from the armpit to the heart, leading to cardiac arrest and death. But, really - if Sir Forgyle dies 3 days after the fight, his family are less likely to come after Sir Barrad for revenge
        – Chronocidal
        9 hours ago










      • Given that the scientist estimates that this guy could punch into someone's chest cavity, I think it's fairly conclusive he could kill someone. Mind you coconuts don't try to dodge!
        – chasly from UK
        2 hours ago














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        I do not have the book to hand, but I recall a tale about a martial artist who delivered a kick with his big-toe into the arteries in his opponent's left armpit. The interior damage caused a blood clot, and over the next 3 days the resulting embolism worked its way from the armpit to the heart, leading to cardiac arrest and death. But, really - if Sir Forgyle dies 3 days after the fight, his family are less likely to come after Sir Barrad for revenge
        – Chronocidal
        9 hours ago










      • Given that the scientist estimates that this guy could punch into someone's chest cavity, I think it's fairly conclusive he could kill someone. Mind you coconuts don't try to dodge!
        – chasly from UK
        2 hours ago








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      I do not have the book to hand, but I recall a tale about a martial artist who delivered a kick with his big-toe into the arteries in his opponent's left armpit. The interior damage caused a blood clot, and over the next 3 days the resulting embolism worked its way from the armpit to the heart, leading to cardiac arrest and death. But, really - if Sir Forgyle dies 3 days after the fight, his family are less likely to come after Sir Barrad for revenge
      – Chronocidal
      9 hours ago




      I do not have the book to hand, but I recall a tale about a martial artist who delivered a kick with his big-toe into the arteries in his opponent's left armpit. The interior damage caused a blood clot, and over the next 3 days the resulting embolism worked its way from the armpit to the heart, leading to cardiac arrest and death. But, really - if Sir Forgyle dies 3 days after the fight, his family are less likely to come after Sir Barrad for revenge
      – Chronocidal
      9 hours ago












      Given that the scientist estimates that this guy could punch into someone's chest cavity, I think it's fairly conclusive he could kill someone. Mind you coconuts don't try to dodge!
      – chasly from UK
      2 hours ago




      Given that the scientist estimates that this guy could punch into someone's chest cavity, I think it's fairly conclusive he could kill someone. Mind you coconuts don't try to dodge!
      – chasly from UK
      2 hours ago










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      Other answers already suggested attacking the throat area, which indeed has a number of fatal vulnerabilities. However, even inexperienced duelist would know to keep his throat protected, and attacker would more likely just break his finger trying to push through defensive blocks.



      Martial arts like Kyusho Jitsu can provide an idea on how finder-fighting duels can unfold. An attacker can strike a number of vulnerable points in the body, which would cause the defender to drop his defense, at least momentarily.



      More experienced defenders would try to break attacker's finger with powerful elbow or forehead blocks.






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      • I've edited to clarify the allowed defence moves.
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        8 hours ago















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      Other answers already suggested attacking the throat area, which indeed has a number of fatal vulnerabilities. However, even inexperienced duelist would know to keep his throat protected, and attacker would more likely just break his finger trying to push through defensive blocks.



      Martial arts like Kyusho Jitsu can provide an idea on how finder-fighting duels can unfold. An attacker can strike a number of vulnerable points in the body, which would cause the defender to drop his defense, at least momentarily.



      More experienced defenders would try to break attacker's finger with powerful elbow or forehead blocks.






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      • I've edited to clarify the allowed defence moves.
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        8 hours ago













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      up vote
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      Other answers already suggested attacking the throat area, which indeed has a number of fatal vulnerabilities. However, even inexperienced duelist would know to keep his throat protected, and attacker would more likely just break his finger trying to push through defensive blocks.



      Martial arts like Kyusho Jitsu can provide an idea on how finder-fighting duels can unfold. An attacker can strike a number of vulnerable points in the body, which would cause the defender to drop his defense, at least momentarily.



      More experienced defenders would try to break attacker's finger with powerful elbow or forehead blocks.






      share|improve this answer














      Other answers already suggested attacking the throat area, which indeed has a number of fatal vulnerabilities. However, even inexperienced duelist would know to keep his throat protected, and attacker would more likely just break his finger trying to push through defensive blocks.



      Martial arts like Kyusho Jitsu can provide an idea on how finder-fighting duels can unfold. An attacker can strike a number of vulnerable points in the body, which would cause the defender to drop his defense, at least momentarily.



      More experienced defenders would try to break attacker's finger with powerful elbow or forehead blocks.







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      • I've edited to clarify the allowed defence moves.
        – chasly from UK
        8 hours ago


















      • I've edited to clarify the allowed defence moves.
        – chasly from UK
        8 hours ago
















      I've edited to clarify the allowed defence moves.
      – chasly from UK
      8 hours ago




      I've edited to clarify the allowed defence moves.
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      8 hours ago










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      In my imagining, these are the sorts of disputatious nobles who wear ruffled shirts, powdered hair with little pig tails out the back, short breetches, shoes with buckles, codpieces, all that sort of finery. Think of a men writing with feathers mgm movie from the 30s, such as the scarlet pimpernel - only much, much worse.



      In preparation for the finger fight, legs and non-participating arm are tightly bound, only the belligerent finger and arm left unrestrained. They are also blind-folded. A string quartet provides background music, claret is served to the spectators, who view from a raised balcony above the arena.



      When the magistrate sounds action, the disputants are free to bound around the place, flinging their fingers furiously, un a d'autre (that's french).



      Each combatant has a receptor implanted somewhere upon their person which when actuated with a firm jab, will release a dose of immediately fatal poison.



      And so, the spectacle becomes a series of furious jabbing exchanges where, as with the gladiators of old, points are awarded for style. The woman play the closest attention.



      If, after a suitable interval of say 20 minutes or so, no one is yet dead, the survivors are both lauded as the best of all posible men, all trivial injury forgiven, any serious injury recompensed, and the wine flows freely.



      If one is killed, the wine still flows freely, with perhaps a tear for the vanquished, or perhaps not, depending.






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        Nice scene setting, cumulative poisoning upon each jab might work better, that said: +1
        – Duckisaduckisaduck
        23 hours ago










      • that would be "l'un à l'autre" though
        – Mathieu Guindon
        3 hours ago










      • bad french is one of my talents.
        – theRiley
        3 hours ago










      • historical note - most duels of the 18th-19th century weren't fatal. if they had been, the practice would have died out a lot sooner. it was mainly assuming the hazard of death which answered the question of honor.
        – theRiley
        3 hours ago















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      In my imagining, these are the sorts of disputatious nobles who wear ruffled shirts, powdered hair with little pig tails out the back, short breetches, shoes with buckles, codpieces, all that sort of finery. Think of a men writing with feathers mgm movie from the 30s, such as the scarlet pimpernel - only much, much worse.



      In preparation for the finger fight, legs and non-participating arm are tightly bound, only the belligerent finger and arm left unrestrained. They are also blind-folded. A string quartet provides background music, claret is served to the spectators, who view from a raised balcony above the arena.



      When the magistrate sounds action, the disputants are free to bound around the place, flinging their fingers furiously, un a d'autre (that's french).



      Each combatant has a receptor implanted somewhere upon their person which when actuated with a firm jab, will release a dose of immediately fatal poison.



      And so, the spectacle becomes a series of furious jabbing exchanges where, as with the gladiators of old, points are awarded for style. The woman play the closest attention.



      If, after a suitable interval of say 20 minutes or so, no one is yet dead, the survivors are both lauded as the best of all posible men, all trivial injury forgiven, any serious injury recompensed, and the wine flows freely.



      If one is killed, the wine still flows freely, with perhaps a tear for the vanquished, or perhaps not, depending.






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        Nice scene setting, cumulative poisoning upon each jab might work better, that said: +1
        – Duckisaduckisaduck
        23 hours ago










      • that would be "l'un à l'autre" though
        – Mathieu Guindon
        3 hours ago










      • bad french is one of my talents.
        – theRiley
        3 hours ago










      • historical note - most duels of the 18th-19th century weren't fatal. if they had been, the practice would have died out a lot sooner. it was mainly assuming the hazard of death which answered the question of honor.
        – theRiley
        3 hours ago













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      up vote
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      In my imagining, these are the sorts of disputatious nobles who wear ruffled shirts, powdered hair with little pig tails out the back, short breetches, shoes with buckles, codpieces, all that sort of finery. Think of a men writing with feathers mgm movie from the 30s, such as the scarlet pimpernel - only much, much worse.



      In preparation for the finger fight, legs and non-participating arm are tightly bound, only the belligerent finger and arm left unrestrained. They are also blind-folded. A string quartet provides background music, claret is served to the spectators, who view from a raised balcony above the arena.



      When the magistrate sounds action, the disputants are free to bound around the place, flinging their fingers furiously, un a d'autre (that's french).



      Each combatant has a receptor implanted somewhere upon their person which when actuated with a firm jab, will release a dose of immediately fatal poison.



      And so, the spectacle becomes a series of furious jabbing exchanges where, as with the gladiators of old, points are awarded for style. The woman play the closest attention.



      If, after a suitable interval of say 20 minutes or so, no one is yet dead, the survivors are both lauded as the best of all posible men, all trivial injury forgiven, any serious injury recompensed, and the wine flows freely.



      If one is killed, the wine still flows freely, with perhaps a tear for the vanquished, or perhaps not, depending.






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      In my imagining, these are the sorts of disputatious nobles who wear ruffled shirts, powdered hair with little pig tails out the back, short breetches, shoes with buckles, codpieces, all that sort of finery. Think of a men writing with feathers mgm movie from the 30s, such as the scarlet pimpernel - only much, much worse.



      In preparation for the finger fight, legs and non-participating arm are tightly bound, only the belligerent finger and arm left unrestrained. They are also blind-folded. A string quartet provides background music, claret is served to the spectators, who view from a raised balcony above the arena.



      When the magistrate sounds action, the disputants are free to bound around the place, flinging their fingers furiously, un a d'autre (that's french).



      Each combatant has a receptor implanted somewhere upon their person which when actuated with a firm jab, will release a dose of immediately fatal poison.



      And so, the spectacle becomes a series of furious jabbing exchanges where, as with the gladiators of old, points are awarded for style. The woman play the closest attention.



      If, after a suitable interval of say 20 minutes or so, no one is yet dead, the survivors are both lauded as the best of all posible men, all trivial injury forgiven, any serious injury recompensed, and the wine flows freely.



      If one is killed, the wine still flows freely, with perhaps a tear for the vanquished, or perhaps not, depending.







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        Nice scene setting, cumulative poisoning upon each jab might work better, that said: +1
        – Duckisaduckisaduck
        23 hours ago










      • that would be "l'un à l'autre" though
        – Mathieu Guindon
        3 hours ago










      • bad french is one of my talents.
        – theRiley
        3 hours ago










      • historical note - most duels of the 18th-19th century weren't fatal. if they had been, the practice would have died out a lot sooner. it was mainly assuming the hazard of death which answered the question of honor.
        – theRiley
        3 hours ago














      • 3




        Nice scene setting, cumulative poisoning upon each jab might work better, that said: +1
        – Duckisaduckisaduck
        23 hours ago










      • that would be "l'un à l'autre" though
        – Mathieu Guindon
        3 hours ago










      • bad french is one of my talents.
        – theRiley
        3 hours ago










      • historical note - most duels of the 18th-19th century weren't fatal. if they had been, the practice would have died out a lot sooner. it was mainly assuming the hazard of death which answered the question of honor.
        – theRiley
        3 hours ago








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      Nice scene setting, cumulative poisoning upon each jab might work better, that said: +1
      – Duckisaduckisaduck
      23 hours ago




      Nice scene setting, cumulative poisoning upon each jab might work better, that said: +1
      – Duckisaduckisaduck
      23 hours ago












      that would be "l'un à l'autre" though
      – Mathieu Guindon
      3 hours ago




      that would be "l'un à l'autre" though
      – Mathieu Guindon
      3 hours ago












      bad french is one of my talents.
      – theRiley
      3 hours ago




      bad french is one of my talents.
      – theRiley
      3 hours ago












      historical note - most duels of the 18th-19th century weren't fatal. if they had been, the practice would have died out a lot sooner. it was mainly assuming the hazard of death which answered the question of honor.
      – theRiley
      3 hours ago




      historical note - most duels of the 18th-19th century weren't fatal. if they had been, the practice would have died out a lot sooner. it was mainly assuming the hazard of death which answered the question of honor.
      – theRiley
      3 hours ago










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      If you are willing to bend the rules a bit, you could take inspiration from Naruto vs Neji fight.



      In the Naruto universe, every person has many Chakra/Pressure points throughout their body. The chakra points release chakra/energy that is essential for the body to function. If you close off a chakra point, then the corresponding body part stops functioning (or at least becomes much weaker). In this fight, Neji slowly closes off all of Naruto's chakra points, and as a result, Naruto's body becomes so weak that he can barely even stand.



      In your world:




      • Maybe the knowledge about pressure points is not common and Sir Barrard incapacitates his baffled opponent one pressure point at a time.


      • Or it is common knowledge in dueling circles, and it comes down to the skill of the fighters -- who can close off more/important pressure points first and incapacitate/weaken the other.



      Once the opponent is sufficiently incapacitated, and their defenses are weakened, a single powerful jab to the throat can be enough to finish them off.



      Plus, the second method makes the fights a lot more interesting to watch than fighters just trying to poke each other in the eyes/throat/groin.






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        If you are willing to bend the rules a bit, you could take inspiration from Naruto vs Neji fight.



        In the Naruto universe, every person has many Chakra/Pressure points throughout their body. The chakra points release chakra/energy that is essential for the body to function. If you close off a chakra point, then the corresponding body part stops functioning (or at least becomes much weaker). In this fight, Neji slowly closes off all of Naruto's chakra points, and as a result, Naruto's body becomes so weak that he can barely even stand.



        In your world:




        • Maybe the knowledge about pressure points is not common and Sir Barrard incapacitates his baffled opponent one pressure point at a time.


        • Or it is common knowledge in dueling circles, and it comes down to the skill of the fighters -- who can close off more/important pressure points first and incapacitate/weaken the other.



        Once the opponent is sufficiently incapacitated, and their defenses are weakened, a single powerful jab to the throat can be enough to finish them off.



        Plus, the second method makes the fights a lot more interesting to watch than fighters just trying to poke each other in the eyes/throat/groin.






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          up vote
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          If you are willing to bend the rules a bit, you could take inspiration from Naruto vs Neji fight.



          In the Naruto universe, every person has many Chakra/Pressure points throughout their body. The chakra points release chakra/energy that is essential for the body to function. If you close off a chakra point, then the corresponding body part stops functioning (or at least becomes much weaker). In this fight, Neji slowly closes off all of Naruto's chakra points, and as a result, Naruto's body becomes so weak that he can barely even stand.



          In your world:




          • Maybe the knowledge about pressure points is not common and Sir Barrard incapacitates his baffled opponent one pressure point at a time.


          • Or it is common knowledge in dueling circles, and it comes down to the skill of the fighters -- who can close off more/important pressure points first and incapacitate/weaken the other.



          Once the opponent is sufficiently incapacitated, and their defenses are weakened, a single powerful jab to the throat can be enough to finish them off.



          Plus, the second method makes the fights a lot more interesting to watch than fighters just trying to poke each other in the eyes/throat/groin.






          share|improve this answer














          If you are willing to bend the rules a bit, you could take inspiration from Naruto vs Neji fight.



          In the Naruto universe, every person has many Chakra/Pressure points throughout their body. The chakra points release chakra/energy that is essential for the body to function. If you close off a chakra point, then the corresponding body part stops functioning (or at least becomes much weaker). In this fight, Neji slowly closes off all of Naruto's chakra points, and as a result, Naruto's body becomes so weak that he can barely even stand.



          In your world:




          • Maybe the knowledge about pressure points is not common and Sir Barrard incapacitates his baffled opponent one pressure point at a time.


          • Or it is common knowledge in dueling circles, and it comes down to the skill of the fighters -- who can close off more/important pressure points first and incapacitate/weaken the other.



          Once the opponent is sufficiently incapacitated, and their defenses are weakened, a single powerful jab to the throat can be enough to finish them off.



          Plus, the second method makes the fights a lot more interesting to watch than fighters just trying to poke each other in the eyes/throat/groin.







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              He could possible fatally wound another person but i would suggest that instead of his index finger he use his thumb. By curling his fist and placing his thumb along the top of his index finger like this picture below
              enter image description here



              In Karate I believe this is called a Boshiken or thumb strike. I believe it can be used to dig into various pressure points around the head and the throat and can even be used to gouge out eyes it also has the effect of allowing you the thumb to hit even a hardened part of the body with out touch much damage and does not require some of the more long term ruinous contact conditioning that say training something like the Nukite or spear hand can cause.
              in this instance the contact point will still be a single digit just not a finger.






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                He could possible fatally wound another person but i would suggest that instead of his index finger he use his thumb. By curling his fist and placing his thumb along the top of his index finger like this picture below
                enter image description here



                In Karate I believe this is called a Boshiken or thumb strike. I believe it can be used to dig into various pressure points around the head and the throat and can even be used to gouge out eyes it also has the effect of allowing you the thumb to hit even a hardened part of the body with out touch much damage and does not require some of the more long term ruinous contact conditioning that say training something like the Nukite or spear hand can cause.
                in this instance the contact point will still be a single digit just not a finger.






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                  He could possible fatally wound another person but i would suggest that instead of his index finger he use his thumb. By curling his fist and placing his thumb along the top of his index finger like this picture below
                  enter image description here



                  In Karate I believe this is called a Boshiken or thumb strike. I believe it can be used to dig into various pressure points around the head and the throat and can even be used to gouge out eyes it also has the effect of allowing you the thumb to hit even a hardened part of the body with out touch much damage and does not require some of the more long term ruinous contact conditioning that say training something like the Nukite or spear hand can cause.
                  in this instance the contact point will still be a single digit just not a finger.






                  share|improve this answer












                  He could possible fatally wound another person but i would suggest that instead of his index finger he use his thumb. By curling his fist and placing his thumb along the top of his index finger like this picture below
                  enter image description here



                  In Karate I believe this is called a Boshiken or thumb strike. I believe it can be used to dig into various pressure points around the head and the throat and can even be used to gouge out eyes it also has the effect of allowing you the thumb to hit even a hardened part of the body with out touch much damage and does not require some of the more long term ruinous contact conditioning that say training something like the Nukite or spear hand can cause.
                  in this instance the contact point will still be a single digit just not a finger.







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