Expected and actual unity gain bandwidth LM324N
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I have an LM324N configured as a unity gain voltage follower. The split rail power supply +/- 4.5V is provided using AA batteries. I am aware that better opamps exist, but this is for study purposes only.
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As a lab exercise, I am testing performance of the circuit at various input frequencies whilst maintaining a constant input voltage (2V sine wave). The test circuit is soldered onto prototyping board with short traces.
At low frequencies (e.g. 10kHz), the output signal closely follows the input signal. However, at 60kHz the output signal is distorted (closely resembling a triangular wave form) and has an amplitude approximately 70% of the input signal. At 1MHz, the output has an amplitude of 0.1V.
Reading the datasheet, I understand the LM324N has a Gain Bandwidth Product (GBP) of 1MHz, which suggests to me that I should not expect significant attenuation of the signal at only 60kHz. A GBP of 1MHz suggests an ideal bandwidth of 1MHz at a gain of unity. Is this really achievable and/or have I done something wrong?
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I have an LM324N configured as a unity gain voltage follower. The split rail power supply +/- 4.5V is provided using AA batteries. I am aware that better opamps exist, but this is for study purposes only.
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
As a lab exercise, I am testing performance of the circuit at various input frequencies whilst maintaining a constant input voltage (2V sine wave). The test circuit is soldered onto prototyping board with short traces.
At low frequencies (e.g. 10kHz), the output signal closely follows the input signal. However, at 60kHz the output signal is distorted (closely resembling a triangular wave form) and has an amplitude approximately 70% of the input signal. At 1MHz, the output has an amplitude of 0.1V.
Reading the datasheet, I understand the LM324N has a Gain Bandwidth Product (GBP) of 1MHz, which suggests to me that I should not expect significant attenuation of the signal at only 60kHz. A GBP of 1MHz suggests an ideal bandwidth of 1MHz at a gain of unity. Is this really achievable and/or have I done something wrong?
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I have an LM324N configured as a unity gain voltage follower. The split rail power supply +/- 4.5V is provided using AA batteries. I am aware that better opamps exist, but this is for study purposes only.
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
As a lab exercise, I am testing performance of the circuit at various input frequencies whilst maintaining a constant input voltage (2V sine wave). The test circuit is soldered onto prototyping board with short traces.
At low frequencies (e.g. 10kHz), the output signal closely follows the input signal. However, at 60kHz the output signal is distorted (closely resembling a triangular wave form) and has an amplitude approximately 70% of the input signal. At 1MHz, the output has an amplitude of 0.1V.
Reading the datasheet, I understand the LM324N has a Gain Bandwidth Product (GBP) of 1MHz, which suggests to me that I should not expect significant attenuation of the signal at only 60kHz. A GBP of 1MHz suggests an ideal bandwidth of 1MHz at a gain of unity. Is this really achievable and/or have I done something wrong?
op-amp unity-gain
I have an LM324N configured as a unity gain voltage follower. The split rail power supply +/- 4.5V is provided using AA batteries. I am aware that better opamps exist, but this is for study purposes only.
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
As a lab exercise, I am testing performance of the circuit at various input frequencies whilst maintaining a constant input voltage (2V sine wave). The test circuit is soldered onto prototyping board with short traces.
At low frequencies (e.g. 10kHz), the output signal closely follows the input signal. However, at 60kHz the output signal is distorted (closely resembling a triangular wave form) and has an amplitude approximately 70% of the input signal. At 1MHz, the output has an amplitude of 0.1V.
Reading the datasheet, I understand the LM324N has a Gain Bandwidth Product (GBP) of 1MHz, which suggests to me that I should not expect significant attenuation of the signal at only 60kHz. A GBP of 1MHz suggests an ideal bandwidth of 1MHz at a gain of unity. Is this really achievable and/or have I done something wrong?
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Gain-bandwidth product is a small signal specification. It only applies to signals under which the op-amp circuitry remains in a linear regime. That is on the order of 100mV or less for a conventional differential input stage.
With the relatively high frequency 2V you are applying you are well into a large signal regime in which non-linear effects take precedence. The specification that applies in that regime is the slew rate of the amplifier.
Slew rate limitations are caused by how fast the internal bias currents are able to charge the internal (compensation) capacitances.
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The LM324 has a maximum output slew rate of 0.5V/$mu$sec, so it not going to be able to accurately reproduce a 2V amplitude sine wave of more than about:
$f_{SR} = frac{0.5cdot10^6}{2cdotpicdot2} approx 40kHz $
To see the unity gain-bandwith directly you can reduce your signal amplitude to perhaps 50mV.
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As soon as I started reading your answer I realised my oversight. I tested the circuit at a range of small signals including 50mV and the gain was as you predicted. Thanks.
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Gain-bandwidth product is a small signal specification. It only applies to signals under which the op-amp circuitry remains in a linear regime. That is on the order of 100mV or less for a conventional differential input stage.
With the relatively high frequency 2V you are applying you are well into a large signal regime in which non-linear effects take precedence. The specification that applies in that regime is the slew rate of the amplifier.
Slew rate limitations are caused by how fast the internal bias currents are able to charge the internal (compensation) capacitances.
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Gain-bandwidth product is a small signal specification. It only applies to signals under which the op-amp circuitry remains in a linear regime. That is on the order of 100mV or less for a conventional differential input stage.
With the relatively high frequency 2V you are applying you are well into a large signal regime in which non-linear effects take precedence. The specification that applies in that regime is the slew rate of the amplifier.
Slew rate limitations are caused by how fast the internal bias currents are able to charge the internal (compensation) capacitances.
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Gain-bandwidth product is a small signal specification. It only applies to signals under which the op-amp circuitry remains in a linear regime. That is on the order of 100mV or less for a conventional differential input stage.
With the relatively high frequency 2V you are applying you are well into a large signal regime in which non-linear effects take precedence. The specification that applies in that regime is the slew rate of the amplifier.
Slew rate limitations are caused by how fast the internal bias currents are able to charge the internal (compensation) capacitances.
Gain-bandwidth product is a small signal specification. It only applies to signals under which the op-amp circuitry remains in a linear regime. That is on the order of 100mV or less for a conventional differential input stage.
With the relatively high frequency 2V you are applying you are well into a large signal regime in which non-linear effects take precedence. The specification that applies in that regime is the slew rate of the amplifier.
Slew rate limitations are caused by how fast the internal bias currents are able to charge the internal (compensation) capacitances.
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The LM324 has a maximum output slew rate of 0.5V/$mu$sec, so it not going to be able to accurately reproduce a 2V amplitude sine wave of more than about:
$f_{SR} = frac{0.5cdot10^6}{2cdotpicdot2} approx 40kHz $
To see the unity gain-bandwith directly you can reduce your signal amplitude to perhaps 50mV.
2
As soon as I started reading your answer I realised my oversight. I tested the circuit at a range of small signals including 50mV and the gain was as you predicted. Thanks.
– Pzy
yesterday
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up vote
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The LM324 has a maximum output slew rate of 0.5V/$mu$sec, so it not going to be able to accurately reproduce a 2V amplitude sine wave of more than about:
$f_{SR} = frac{0.5cdot10^6}{2cdotpicdot2} approx 40kHz $
To see the unity gain-bandwith directly you can reduce your signal amplitude to perhaps 50mV.
2
As soon as I started reading your answer I realised my oversight. I tested the circuit at a range of small signals including 50mV and the gain was as you predicted. Thanks.
– Pzy
yesterday
add a comment |
up vote
21
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up vote
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The LM324 has a maximum output slew rate of 0.5V/$mu$sec, so it not going to be able to accurately reproduce a 2V amplitude sine wave of more than about:
$f_{SR} = frac{0.5cdot10^6}{2cdotpicdot2} approx 40kHz $
To see the unity gain-bandwith directly you can reduce your signal amplitude to perhaps 50mV.
The LM324 has a maximum output slew rate of 0.5V/$mu$sec, so it not going to be able to accurately reproduce a 2V amplitude sine wave of more than about:
$f_{SR} = frac{0.5cdot10^6}{2cdotpicdot2} approx 40kHz $
To see the unity gain-bandwith directly you can reduce your signal amplitude to perhaps 50mV.
answered yesterday
Spehro Pefhany
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As soon as I started reading your answer I realised my oversight. I tested the circuit at a range of small signals including 50mV and the gain was as you predicted. Thanks.
– Pzy
yesterday
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2
As soon as I started reading your answer I realised my oversight. I tested the circuit at a range of small signals including 50mV and the gain was as you predicted. Thanks.
– Pzy
yesterday
2
2
As soon as I started reading your answer I realised my oversight. I tested the circuit at a range of small signals including 50mV and the gain was as you predicted. Thanks.
– Pzy
yesterday
As soon as I started reading your answer I realised my oversight. I tested the circuit at a range of small signals including 50mV and the gain was as you predicted. Thanks.
– Pzy
yesterday
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