Matrix representation of Mixed derivatives











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Imagine we have the problem



begin{cases}
-frac{d^2u}{dx^2} = f(x), x in [0,L] \
u(0) = 0 \
u(L) = 0
end{cases}



We know that we can approximate the second derivative using this formula:$$ frac{d^2u(x)}{dx^2} approx frac{u(x+h)-2u(x)+u(x-h)}{h^2} $$



if we define $u_{k} := u(x_{k}) $; $ x_{k} = kh $ and $ k = 0,1,2,...,N$. $h$ is known as the mesh size or step size. We get:



$$ frac{d^2u_{k}}{dx^2} approx frac{u_{k+1}-2u_{k}+u_{k-1}}{h^2} = frac{u_{k-1}-2u_{k}+u_{k+1}}{h^2} $$ for $k=1,...,N-1$



Since $u(0) = u_{0} = 0$ and $ u(L) = u(x_{N}) = u_{N} = 0 $ we get the following matrix representation of the second derivative operator



begin{equation}
frac{d^2}{dx^2} approx L_{2} = frac{1}{h^2}left(begin{matrix}
-2 & 1 & & 0\
1 & ddots & ddots & \
& ddots & ddots & 1 \
0 & & 1 & -2 end{matrix} right)
end{equation}



Then to approximate the solution of the differental equation we solve the system:



$$-L_{2}hat{u} = hat{f}$$
where $ hat{f} = [ f(x_{1}) f(x_{2}) ... f(x_{N-1}) ]^T $ and $hat{u} = [ u_{1} ... u_{N-1} ]^T$



The matrix representation of the laplacian operator using the Kronecker product is: $$ Delta =nabla^2 = frac{partial^2}{partial x^2} + frac{partial ^2}{partial y^2} = L_{2}otimes I_{n_{x}} + I_{n_{y}} otimes L_{2} $$



$textbf{Note that I have used $L_{2}$ and kronecker product to get a matrix representation} $ of the laplacian operator.



With this in mind. I want to approximate the first derivative using central difference:



$$ frac{du_{k}}{dx} approx frac{ u_{k+1}-u_{k-1} }{ 2h } = frac{ -u_{k-1} +u_{k+1} }{ 2h } $$



Since $u(0) = u_{0} = 0$ and $ u(L) = u(x_{N}) = u_{N} = 0 $ we get the following matrix representation of the first derivative



begin{equation}
frac{d}{dx} approx L_{1} = frac{1}{2h}left(begin{matrix}
0 & 1 & & 0\
-1 & ddots & ddots & \
& ddots & ddots & 1 \
0 & & -1 & 0 end{matrix} right)
end{equation}



I want to use $L_{1}$ and kronecker product to get the matrix representation of



$$ frac{partial^2 }{partial y partial x } $$
and
$$ frac{partial^2 }{partial x partial y } $$



$textbf{My questions are:} $




  1. Is this possible?


  2. if question 1. is affirmative, what is the matrix representation of the mixed derivatives using $L_{1}$ and kronecker product?


  3. if question 1. is negative, how can we get the matrix representation of the mixed derivatives using a simple matrix and kronecker product?


  4. Do you know a book or document( article or other ) that explain in detail this or something similar?



$textbf{I want to use kronecker product because it is fast and easy to implement in} $ matlab or octave.



By the way I tried to use this formula



$$ frac{partial^2u_{k,j} }{partial x partial y } = frac{ u_{k+1,j+1}+u_{k-1,j-1}-u_{k+1,j-1}-u_{k-1,j+1} }{4h^2} $$



But it was hard to see a pattern. Thank you!










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    Imagine we have the problem



    begin{cases}
    -frac{d^2u}{dx^2} = f(x), x in [0,L] \
    u(0) = 0 \
    u(L) = 0
    end{cases}



    We know that we can approximate the second derivative using this formula:$$ frac{d^2u(x)}{dx^2} approx frac{u(x+h)-2u(x)+u(x-h)}{h^2} $$



    if we define $u_{k} := u(x_{k}) $; $ x_{k} = kh $ and $ k = 0,1,2,...,N$. $h$ is known as the mesh size or step size. We get:



    $$ frac{d^2u_{k}}{dx^2} approx frac{u_{k+1}-2u_{k}+u_{k-1}}{h^2} = frac{u_{k-1}-2u_{k}+u_{k+1}}{h^2} $$ for $k=1,...,N-1$



    Since $u(0) = u_{0} = 0$ and $ u(L) = u(x_{N}) = u_{N} = 0 $ we get the following matrix representation of the second derivative operator



    begin{equation}
    frac{d^2}{dx^2} approx L_{2} = frac{1}{h^2}left(begin{matrix}
    -2 & 1 & & 0\
    1 & ddots & ddots & \
    & ddots & ddots & 1 \
    0 & & 1 & -2 end{matrix} right)
    end{equation}



    Then to approximate the solution of the differental equation we solve the system:



    $$-L_{2}hat{u} = hat{f}$$
    where $ hat{f} = [ f(x_{1}) f(x_{2}) ... f(x_{N-1}) ]^T $ and $hat{u} = [ u_{1} ... u_{N-1} ]^T$



    The matrix representation of the laplacian operator using the Kronecker product is: $$ Delta =nabla^2 = frac{partial^2}{partial x^2} + frac{partial ^2}{partial y^2} = L_{2}otimes I_{n_{x}} + I_{n_{y}} otimes L_{2} $$



    $textbf{Note that I have used $L_{2}$ and kronecker product to get a matrix representation} $ of the laplacian operator.



    With this in mind. I want to approximate the first derivative using central difference:



    $$ frac{du_{k}}{dx} approx frac{ u_{k+1}-u_{k-1} }{ 2h } = frac{ -u_{k-1} +u_{k+1} }{ 2h } $$



    Since $u(0) = u_{0} = 0$ and $ u(L) = u(x_{N}) = u_{N} = 0 $ we get the following matrix representation of the first derivative



    begin{equation}
    frac{d}{dx} approx L_{1} = frac{1}{2h}left(begin{matrix}
    0 & 1 & & 0\
    -1 & ddots & ddots & \
    & ddots & ddots & 1 \
    0 & & -1 & 0 end{matrix} right)
    end{equation}



    I want to use $L_{1}$ and kronecker product to get the matrix representation of



    $$ frac{partial^2 }{partial y partial x } $$
    and
    $$ frac{partial^2 }{partial x partial y } $$



    $textbf{My questions are:} $




    1. Is this possible?


    2. if question 1. is affirmative, what is the matrix representation of the mixed derivatives using $L_{1}$ and kronecker product?


    3. if question 1. is negative, how can we get the matrix representation of the mixed derivatives using a simple matrix and kronecker product?


    4. Do you know a book or document( article or other ) that explain in detail this or something similar?



    $textbf{I want to use kronecker product because it is fast and easy to implement in} $ matlab or octave.



    By the way I tried to use this formula



    $$ frac{partial^2u_{k,j} }{partial x partial y } = frac{ u_{k+1,j+1}+u_{k-1,j-1}-u_{k+1,j-1}-u_{k-1,j+1} }{4h^2} $$



    But it was hard to see a pattern. Thank you!










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      Imagine we have the problem



      begin{cases}
      -frac{d^2u}{dx^2} = f(x), x in [0,L] \
      u(0) = 0 \
      u(L) = 0
      end{cases}



      We know that we can approximate the second derivative using this formula:$$ frac{d^2u(x)}{dx^2} approx frac{u(x+h)-2u(x)+u(x-h)}{h^2} $$



      if we define $u_{k} := u(x_{k}) $; $ x_{k} = kh $ and $ k = 0,1,2,...,N$. $h$ is known as the mesh size or step size. We get:



      $$ frac{d^2u_{k}}{dx^2} approx frac{u_{k+1}-2u_{k}+u_{k-1}}{h^2} = frac{u_{k-1}-2u_{k}+u_{k+1}}{h^2} $$ for $k=1,...,N-1$



      Since $u(0) = u_{0} = 0$ and $ u(L) = u(x_{N}) = u_{N} = 0 $ we get the following matrix representation of the second derivative operator



      begin{equation}
      frac{d^2}{dx^2} approx L_{2} = frac{1}{h^2}left(begin{matrix}
      -2 & 1 & & 0\
      1 & ddots & ddots & \
      & ddots & ddots & 1 \
      0 & & 1 & -2 end{matrix} right)
      end{equation}



      Then to approximate the solution of the differental equation we solve the system:



      $$-L_{2}hat{u} = hat{f}$$
      where $ hat{f} = [ f(x_{1}) f(x_{2}) ... f(x_{N-1}) ]^T $ and $hat{u} = [ u_{1} ... u_{N-1} ]^T$



      The matrix representation of the laplacian operator using the Kronecker product is: $$ Delta =nabla^2 = frac{partial^2}{partial x^2} + frac{partial ^2}{partial y^2} = L_{2}otimes I_{n_{x}} + I_{n_{y}} otimes L_{2} $$



      $textbf{Note that I have used $L_{2}$ and kronecker product to get a matrix representation} $ of the laplacian operator.



      With this in mind. I want to approximate the first derivative using central difference:



      $$ frac{du_{k}}{dx} approx frac{ u_{k+1}-u_{k-1} }{ 2h } = frac{ -u_{k-1} +u_{k+1} }{ 2h } $$



      Since $u(0) = u_{0} = 0$ and $ u(L) = u(x_{N}) = u_{N} = 0 $ we get the following matrix representation of the first derivative



      begin{equation}
      frac{d}{dx} approx L_{1} = frac{1}{2h}left(begin{matrix}
      0 & 1 & & 0\
      -1 & ddots & ddots & \
      & ddots & ddots & 1 \
      0 & & -1 & 0 end{matrix} right)
      end{equation}



      I want to use $L_{1}$ and kronecker product to get the matrix representation of



      $$ frac{partial^2 }{partial y partial x } $$
      and
      $$ frac{partial^2 }{partial x partial y } $$



      $textbf{My questions are:} $




      1. Is this possible?


      2. if question 1. is affirmative, what is the matrix representation of the mixed derivatives using $L_{1}$ and kronecker product?


      3. if question 1. is negative, how can we get the matrix representation of the mixed derivatives using a simple matrix and kronecker product?


      4. Do you know a book or document( article or other ) that explain in detail this or something similar?



      $textbf{I want to use kronecker product because it is fast and easy to implement in} $ matlab or octave.



      By the way I tried to use this formula



      $$ frac{partial^2u_{k,j} }{partial x partial y } = frac{ u_{k+1,j+1}+u_{k-1,j-1}-u_{k+1,j-1}-u_{k-1,j+1} }{4h^2} $$



      But it was hard to see a pattern. Thank you!










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      Imagine we have the problem



      begin{cases}
      -frac{d^2u}{dx^2} = f(x), x in [0,L] \
      u(0) = 0 \
      u(L) = 0
      end{cases}



      We know that we can approximate the second derivative using this formula:$$ frac{d^2u(x)}{dx^2} approx frac{u(x+h)-2u(x)+u(x-h)}{h^2} $$



      if we define $u_{k} := u(x_{k}) $; $ x_{k} = kh $ and $ k = 0,1,2,...,N$. $h$ is known as the mesh size or step size. We get:



      $$ frac{d^2u_{k}}{dx^2} approx frac{u_{k+1}-2u_{k}+u_{k-1}}{h^2} = frac{u_{k-1}-2u_{k}+u_{k+1}}{h^2} $$ for $k=1,...,N-1$



      Since $u(0) = u_{0} = 0$ and $ u(L) = u(x_{N}) = u_{N} = 0 $ we get the following matrix representation of the second derivative operator



      begin{equation}
      frac{d^2}{dx^2} approx L_{2} = frac{1}{h^2}left(begin{matrix}
      -2 & 1 & & 0\
      1 & ddots & ddots & \
      & ddots & ddots & 1 \
      0 & & 1 & -2 end{matrix} right)
      end{equation}



      Then to approximate the solution of the differental equation we solve the system:



      $$-L_{2}hat{u} = hat{f}$$
      where $ hat{f} = [ f(x_{1}) f(x_{2}) ... f(x_{N-1}) ]^T $ and $hat{u} = [ u_{1} ... u_{N-1} ]^T$



      The matrix representation of the laplacian operator using the Kronecker product is: $$ Delta =nabla^2 = frac{partial^2}{partial x^2} + frac{partial ^2}{partial y^2} = L_{2}otimes I_{n_{x}} + I_{n_{y}} otimes L_{2} $$



      $textbf{Note that I have used $L_{2}$ and kronecker product to get a matrix representation} $ of the laplacian operator.



      With this in mind. I want to approximate the first derivative using central difference:



      $$ frac{du_{k}}{dx} approx frac{ u_{k+1}-u_{k-1} }{ 2h } = frac{ -u_{k-1} +u_{k+1} }{ 2h } $$



      Since $u(0) = u_{0} = 0$ and $ u(L) = u(x_{N}) = u_{N} = 0 $ we get the following matrix representation of the first derivative



      begin{equation}
      frac{d}{dx} approx L_{1} = frac{1}{2h}left(begin{matrix}
      0 & 1 & & 0\
      -1 & ddots & ddots & \
      & ddots & ddots & 1 \
      0 & & -1 & 0 end{matrix} right)
      end{equation}



      I want to use $L_{1}$ and kronecker product to get the matrix representation of



      $$ frac{partial^2 }{partial y partial x } $$
      and
      $$ frac{partial^2 }{partial x partial y } $$



      $textbf{My questions are:} $




      1. Is this possible?


      2. if question 1. is affirmative, what is the matrix representation of the mixed derivatives using $L_{1}$ and kronecker product?


      3. if question 1. is negative, how can we get the matrix representation of the mixed derivatives using a simple matrix and kronecker product?


      4. Do you know a book or document( article or other ) that explain in detail this or something similar?



      $textbf{I want to use kronecker product because it is fast and easy to implement in} $ matlab or octave.



      By the way I tried to use this formula



      $$ frac{partial^2u_{k,j} }{partial x partial y } = frac{ u_{k+1,j+1}+u_{k-1,j-1}-u_{k+1,j-1}-u_{k-1,j+1} }{4h^2} $$



      But it was hard to see a pattern. Thank you!







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          Once you have the matrix $bf L_1$ to represent the divided difference of $f(x)$ given as a vertical vector, then if you transpose the whole you'll get a horizontal vector for the difference.



          So if $f(x,y)$ is represented as a matrix $bf F_{, x,, y}$ , the matrix representing ${partial over {partial xpartial y}}f(x,y)$ will be $bf L_1 bf F_{, x, ,y} bf L_1^T$






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          • @tnt235711: is it ok now for you ?
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          Now using $mathbf{L_{1}}$ and $textbf{kronecker product}$:



          $$frac{partial^2 }{partial x partial y} = Big((L_{1})_{n_{x}} otimes I_{n_{y}} Big)Big( I_{n_{x}} otimes (L_{1})_{n_{y}} Big) = { (L_{1})_{n_{x}} otimes (L_{1})_{n_{y}} } $$



          I have used the mixed-product property for kronecker product.
          $$ (mathbf{A} otimes mathbf{B})(mathbf{C} otimes mathbf{D}) = (mathbf{AC}) otimes (mathbf{BD})$$.



          In a similar way we get:



          $$frac{partial^2 }{partial y partial x} = (L_{1})_{ n_{y} } otimes (L_{1})_{n_{x}} $$






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            Once you have the matrix $bf L_1$ to represent the divided difference of $f(x)$ given as a vertical vector, then if you transpose the whole you'll get a horizontal vector for the difference.



            So if $f(x,y)$ is represented as a matrix $bf F_{, x,, y}$ , the matrix representing ${partial over {partial xpartial y}}f(x,y)$ will be $bf L_1 bf F_{, x, ,y} bf L_1^T$






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            • Honestly I can not imagine the matrix...
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            • @tnt235711: added
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            • @tnt235711: is it ok now for you ?
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            Once you have the matrix $bf L_1$ to represent the divided difference of $f(x)$ given as a vertical vector, then if you transpose the whole you'll get a horizontal vector for the difference.



            So if $f(x,y)$ is represented as a matrix $bf F_{, x,, y}$ , the matrix representing ${partial over {partial xpartial y}}f(x,y)$ will be $bf L_1 bf F_{, x, ,y} bf L_1^T$






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            • Honestly I can not imagine the matrix...
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            • @tnt235711: added
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            • @tnt235711: is it ok now for you ?
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            Once you have the matrix $bf L_1$ to represent the divided difference of $f(x)$ given as a vertical vector, then if you transpose the whole you'll get a horizontal vector for the difference.



            So if $f(x,y)$ is represented as a matrix $bf F_{, x,, y}$ , the matrix representing ${partial over {partial xpartial y}}f(x,y)$ will be $bf L_1 bf F_{, x, ,y} bf L_1^T$






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            Once you have the matrix $bf L_1$ to represent the divided difference of $f(x)$ given as a vertical vector, then if you transpose the whole you'll get a horizontal vector for the difference.



            So if $f(x,y)$ is represented as a matrix $bf F_{, x,, y}$ , the matrix representing ${partial over {partial xpartial y}}f(x,y)$ will be $bf L_1 bf F_{, x, ,y} bf L_1^T$







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            • @tnt235711: added
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            • @tnt235711: is it ok now for you ?
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              Nov 15 at 16:55


















            • Honestly I can not imagine the matrix...
              – tnt235711
              Nov 14 at 11:45










            • @tnt235711: added
              – G Cab
              Nov 14 at 12:19










            • @tnt235711: is it ok now for you ?
              – G Cab
              Nov 15 at 16:55
















            Honestly I can not imagine the matrix...
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            Honestly I can not imagine the matrix...
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            @tnt235711: added
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            @tnt235711: added
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            @tnt235711: is it ok now for you ?
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            @tnt235711: is it ok now for you ?
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            Now using $mathbf{L_{1}}$ and $textbf{kronecker product}$:



            $$frac{partial^2 }{partial x partial y} = Big((L_{1})_{n_{x}} otimes I_{n_{y}} Big)Big( I_{n_{x}} otimes (L_{1})_{n_{y}} Big) = { (L_{1})_{n_{x}} otimes (L_{1})_{n_{y}} } $$



            I have used the mixed-product property for kronecker product.
            $$ (mathbf{A} otimes mathbf{B})(mathbf{C} otimes mathbf{D}) = (mathbf{AC}) otimes (mathbf{BD})$$.



            In a similar way we get:



            $$frac{partial^2 }{partial y partial x} = (L_{1})_{ n_{y} } otimes (L_{1})_{n_{x}} $$






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              up vote
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              down vote



              accepted










              Now using $mathbf{L_{1}}$ and $textbf{kronecker product}$:



              $$frac{partial^2 }{partial x partial y} = Big((L_{1})_{n_{x}} otimes I_{n_{y}} Big)Big( I_{n_{x}} otimes (L_{1})_{n_{y}} Big) = { (L_{1})_{n_{x}} otimes (L_{1})_{n_{y}} } $$



              I have used the mixed-product property for kronecker product.
              $$ (mathbf{A} otimes mathbf{B})(mathbf{C} otimes mathbf{D}) = (mathbf{AC}) otimes (mathbf{BD})$$.



              In a similar way we get:



              $$frac{partial^2 }{partial y partial x} = (L_{1})_{ n_{y} } otimes (L_{1})_{n_{x}} $$






              share|cite|improve this answer























                up vote
                0
                down vote



                accepted







                up vote
                0
                down vote



                accepted






                Now using $mathbf{L_{1}}$ and $textbf{kronecker product}$:



                $$frac{partial^2 }{partial x partial y} = Big((L_{1})_{n_{x}} otimes I_{n_{y}} Big)Big( I_{n_{x}} otimes (L_{1})_{n_{y}} Big) = { (L_{1})_{n_{x}} otimes (L_{1})_{n_{y}} } $$



                I have used the mixed-product property for kronecker product.
                $$ (mathbf{A} otimes mathbf{B})(mathbf{C} otimes mathbf{D}) = (mathbf{AC}) otimes (mathbf{BD})$$.



                In a similar way we get:



                $$frac{partial^2 }{partial y partial x} = (L_{1})_{ n_{y} } otimes (L_{1})_{n_{x}} $$






                share|cite|improve this answer












                Now using $mathbf{L_{1}}$ and $textbf{kronecker product}$:



                $$frac{partial^2 }{partial x partial y} = Big((L_{1})_{n_{x}} otimes I_{n_{y}} Big)Big( I_{n_{x}} otimes (L_{1})_{n_{y}} Big) = { (L_{1})_{n_{x}} otimes (L_{1})_{n_{y}} } $$



                I have used the mixed-product property for kronecker product.
                $$ (mathbf{A} otimes mathbf{B})(mathbf{C} otimes mathbf{D}) = (mathbf{AC}) otimes (mathbf{BD})$$.



                In a similar way we get:



                $$frac{partial^2 }{partial y partial x} = (L_{1})_{ n_{y} } otimes (L_{1})_{n_{x}} $$







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