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Let $G$ be a group acting ercodically on a probability measure space $(X, mu)$. Let $Gamma$ be a countable dense subgroup of $G$. Is the action of $Gamma$ also ergodic?



The case I am interested in is actually when $G$ is a Lie group acting smoothly on a compact submanifold of $mathbb{R}^n$ with the normalized Lebesgue measure.



Here by ergodic action I mean that if $mu(gA Delta A) = 0$ for all $g in G$, then $mu(A) = 0$ or 1.










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    Let $G$ be a group acting ercodically on a probability measure space $(X, mu)$. Let $Gamma$ be a countable dense subgroup of $G$. Is the action of $Gamma$ also ergodic?



    The case I am interested in is actually when $G$ is a Lie group acting smoothly on a compact submanifold of $mathbb{R}^n$ with the normalized Lebesgue measure.



    Here by ergodic action I mean that if $mu(gA Delta A) = 0$ for all $g in G$, then $mu(A) = 0$ or 1.










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      Let $G$ be a group acting ercodically on a probability measure space $(X, mu)$. Let $Gamma$ be a countable dense subgroup of $G$. Is the action of $Gamma$ also ergodic?



      The case I am interested in is actually when $G$ is a Lie group acting smoothly on a compact submanifold of $mathbb{R}^n$ with the normalized Lebesgue measure.



      Here by ergodic action I mean that if $mu(gA Delta A) = 0$ for all $g in G$, then $mu(A) = 0$ or 1.










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      Let $G$ be a group acting ercodically on a probability measure space $(X, mu)$. Let $Gamma$ be a countable dense subgroup of $G$. Is the action of $Gamma$ also ergodic?



      The case I am interested in is actually when $G$ is a Lie group acting smoothly on a compact submanifold of $mathbb{R}^n$ with the normalized Lebesgue measure.



      Here by ergodic action I mean that if $mu(gA Delta A) = 0$ for all $g in G$, then $mu(A) = 0$ or 1.







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          No in general, yes for the case your are interested in.



          For the "no" part: In the general case, this is lacking a assumption giving a "link" between the topology of $G$ and the action; here is an example of such a discontinuous action:



          Let $G=mathbb{Z}oplusmathbb{Z}sqrt{2}oplus mathbb{Z}sqrt{3}$, $Gamma=mathbb{Z}oplus mathbb{Z}sqrt{2}$. We endow $G$ with the induced topology from $mathbb{R}$. In this case, $Gamma$ is a dense subgroup. Now consider an ergodic action of $G/Gammasimeq mathbb{Z}sqrt{3}$ on a measure space (for example, an irrational rotation on the circle). This gives an action of $G$ itself, which is ergodic, but the action of $Gamma$ is trivial.



          For the "yes" part: the action of $G$ on $X$ induces a unitary representation on $L^2(X,mu)$ (the Koopman representation)
          $$pi:Gto mathcal{U}(L^2(X)),$$
          $$pi(f)(x)=f(g^{-1}x).$$
          A useful property that may (or may not) have this representation is to be strongly continuous, i.e.
          $$g_nto gimplies forall f in L^2(X), ;| pi(g_n)f-pi(g)f|to 0.$$
          The relevance of this property to ergodicity of dense subgroup is that in this case, the stabilizer of a characteristic function $f=1_A$
          $$Stab(f)={ g in G , : , pi(g)f=f },$$
          is then a closed subgroup; so if a set $A$ is $Gamma$-invariant, $f=1_A$ is $Gamma$-invariant, so is also $bar{Gamma}=G$-invariant, so $mu(A)in {0,1}$.



          In the case you are interested in, this property of strong continuity is satisfied; see for example Lemma 1.6 in those notes
          http://u.math.biu.ac.il/~solomyb/TEACH/17/GrAct/Lec7.pdf
          for a statement giving sufficient conditions and a sketch of proof.






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            No in general, yes for the case your are interested in.



            For the "no" part: In the general case, this is lacking a assumption giving a "link" between the topology of $G$ and the action; here is an example of such a discontinuous action:



            Let $G=mathbb{Z}oplusmathbb{Z}sqrt{2}oplus mathbb{Z}sqrt{3}$, $Gamma=mathbb{Z}oplus mathbb{Z}sqrt{2}$. We endow $G$ with the induced topology from $mathbb{R}$. In this case, $Gamma$ is a dense subgroup. Now consider an ergodic action of $G/Gammasimeq mathbb{Z}sqrt{3}$ on a measure space (for example, an irrational rotation on the circle). This gives an action of $G$ itself, which is ergodic, but the action of $Gamma$ is trivial.



            For the "yes" part: the action of $G$ on $X$ induces a unitary representation on $L^2(X,mu)$ (the Koopman representation)
            $$pi:Gto mathcal{U}(L^2(X)),$$
            $$pi(f)(x)=f(g^{-1}x).$$
            A useful property that may (or may not) have this representation is to be strongly continuous, i.e.
            $$g_nto gimplies forall f in L^2(X), ;| pi(g_n)f-pi(g)f|to 0.$$
            The relevance of this property to ergodicity of dense subgroup is that in this case, the stabilizer of a characteristic function $f=1_A$
            $$Stab(f)={ g in G , : , pi(g)f=f },$$
            is then a closed subgroup; so if a set $A$ is $Gamma$-invariant, $f=1_A$ is $Gamma$-invariant, so is also $bar{Gamma}=G$-invariant, so $mu(A)in {0,1}$.



            In the case you are interested in, this property of strong continuity is satisfied; see for example Lemma 1.6 in those notes
            http://u.math.biu.ac.il/~solomyb/TEACH/17/GrAct/Lec7.pdf
            for a statement giving sufficient conditions and a sketch of proof.






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              No in general, yes for the case your are interested in.



              For the "no" part: In the general case, this is lacking a assumption giving a "link" between the topology of $G$ and the action; here is an example of such a discontinuous action:



              Let $G=mathbb{Z}oplusmathbb{Z}sqrt{2}oplus mathbb{Z}sqrt{3}$, $Gamma=mathbb{Z}oplus mathbb{Z}sqrt{2}$. We endow $G$ with the induced topology from $mathbb{R}$. In this case, $Gamma$ is a dense subgroup. Now consider an ergodic action of $G/Gammasimeq mathbb{Z}sqrt{3}$ on a measure space (for example, an irrational rotation on the circle). This gives an action of $G$ itself, which is ergodic, but the action of $Gamma$ is trivial.



              For the "yes" part: the action of $G$ on $X$ induces a unitary representation on $L^2(X,mu)$ (the Koopman representation)
              $$pi:Gto mathcal{U}(L^2(X)),$$
              $$pi(f)(x)=f(g^{-1}x).$$
              A useful property that may (or may not) have this representation is to be strongly continuous, i.e.
              $$g_nto gimplies forall f in L^2(X), ;| pi(g_n)f-pi(g)f|to 0.$$
              The relevance of this property to ergodicity of dense subgroup is that in this case, the stabilizer of a characteristic function $f=1_A$
              $$Stab(f)={ g in G , : , pi(g)f=f },$$
              is then a closed subgroup; so if a set $A$ is $Gamma$-invariant, $f=1_A$ is $Gamma$-invariant, so is also $bar{Gamma}=G$-invariant, so $mu(A)in {0,1}$.



              In the case you are interested in, this property of strong continuity is satisfied; see for example Lemma 1.6 in those notes
              http://u.math.biu.ac.il/~solomyb/TEACH/17/GrAct/Lec7.pdf
              for a statement giving sufficient conditions and a sketch of proof.






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                No in general, yes for the case your are interested in.



                For the "no" part: In the general case, this is lacking a assumption giving a "link" between the topology of $G$ and the action; here is an example of such a discontinuous action:



                Let $G=mathbb{Z}oplusmathbb{Z}sqrt{2}oplus mathbb{Z}sqrt{3}$, $Gamma=mathbb{Z}oplus mathbb{Z}sqrt{2}$. We endow $G$ with the induced topology from $mathbb{R}$. In this case, $Gamma$ is a dense subgroup. Now consider an ergodic action of $G/Gammasimeq mathbb{Z}sqrt{3}$ on a measure space (for example, an irrational rotation on the circle). This gives an action of $G$ itself, which is ergodic, but the action of $Gamma$ is trivial.



                For the "yes" part: the action of $G$ on $X$ induces a unitary representation on $L^2(X,mu)$ (the Koopman representation)
                $$pi:Gto mathcal{U}(L^2(X)),$$
                $$pi(f)(x)=f(g^{-1}x).$$
                A useful property that may (or may not) have this representation is to be strongly continuous, i.e.
                $$g_nto gimplies forall f in L^2(X), ;| pi(g_n)f-pi(g)f|to 0.$$
                The relevance of this property to ergodicity of dense subgroup is that in this case, the stabilizer of a characteristic function $f=1_A$
                $$Stab(f)={ g in G , : , pi(g)f=f },$$
                is then a closed subgroup; so if a set $A$ is $Gamma$-invariant, $f=1_A$ is $Gamma$-invariant, so is also $bar{Gamma}=G$-invariant, so $mu(A)in {0,1}$.



                In the case you are interested in, this property of strong continuity is satisfied; see for example Lemma 1.6 in those notes
                http://u.math.biu.ac.il/~solomyb/TEACH/17/GrAct/Lec7.pdf
                for a statement giving sufficient conditions and a sketch of proof.






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                No in general, yes for the case your are interested in.



                For the "no" part: In the general case, this is lacking a assumption giving a "link" between the topology of $G$ and the action; here is an example of such a discontinuous action:



                Let $G=mathbb{Z}oplusmathbb{Z}sqrt{2}oplus mathbb{Z}sqrt{3}$, $Gamma=mathbb{Z}oplus mathbb{Z}sqrt{2}$. We endow $G$ with the induced topology from $mathbb{R}$. In this case, $Gamma$ is a dense subgroup. Now consider an ergodic action of $G/Gammasimeq mathbb{Z}sqrt{3}$ on a measure space (for example, an irrational rotation on the circle). This gives an action of $G$ itself, which is ergodic, but the action of $Gamma$ is trivial.



                For the "yes" part: the action of $G$ on $X$ induces a unitary representation on $L^2(X,mu)$ (the Koopman representation)
                $$pi:Gto mathcal{U}(L^2(X)),$$
                $$pi(f)(x)=f(g^{-1}x).$$
                A useful property that may (or may not) have this representation is to be strongly continuous, i.e.
                $$g_nto gimplies forall f in L^2(X), ;| pi(g_n)f-pi(g)f|to 0.$$
                The relevance of this property to ergodicity of dense subgroup is that in this case, the stabilizer of a characteristic function $f=1_A$
                $$Stab(f)={ g in G , : , pi(g)f=f },$$
                is then a closed subgroup; so if a set $A$ is $Gamma$-invariant, $f=1_A$ is $Gamma$-invariant, so is also $bar{Gamma}=G$-invariant, so $mu(A)in {0,1}$.



                In the case you are interested in, this property of strong continuity is satisfied; see for example Lemma 1.6 in those notes
                http://u.math.biu.ac.il/~solomyb/TEACH/17/GrAct/Lec7.pdf
                for a statement giving sufficient conditions and a sketch of proof.







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