Dihedral group $D_{8}$ as a semidirect product $Vrtimes C_2$?
$begingroup$
How do I show that the dihedral group $D_{8}$ (order $8$) is a semidirect product $Vrtimes leftlangle alpha rightrangle $, where $V$ is Klein group and $%
alpha $ is an automorphism of order two?
abstract-algebra group-theory finite-groups
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
How do I show that the dihedral group $D_{8}$ (order $8$) is a semidirect product $Vrtimes leftlangle alpha rightrangle $, where $V$ is Klein group and $%
alpha $ is an automorphism of order two?
abstract-algebra group-theory finite-groups
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
How do I show that the dihedral group $D_{8}$ (order $8$) is a semidirect product $Vrtimes leftlangle alpha rightrangle $, where $V$ is Klein group and $%
alpha $ is an automorphism of order two?
abstract-algebra group-theory finite-groups
$endgroup$
How do I show that the dihedral group $D_{8}$ (order $8$) is a semidirect product $Vrtimes leftlangle alpha rightrangle $, where $V$ is Klein group and $%
alpha $ is an automorphism of order two?
abstract-algebra group-theory finite-groups
abstract-algebra group-theory finite-groups
edited Nov 22 '12 at 7:55
Alexander Gruber♦
20.1k25102172
20.1k25102172
asked Nov 21 '12 at 19:22
User2040User2040
26018
26018
add a comment |
add a comment |
4 Answers
4
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
If you know a bit more about group theory you could always do the following:
There is a non-trivial semi-direct product of $V$ and $C_2$ since $mathrm{Aut}(V)$ contains an element of order $2$.
The resulting group has order $8$ and is not abelian (we know that there is an element which acts non-trivial by conjugation).
The resulting group has at least as many subgroups of order $2$ as $V$ so there are $3$ or more.
Finally: There is only one non-Abelian group of order $8$ with more than one subgroup of order $2$ and that is $D_8$.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Depends on what you're using as your definition of $D_8$.
One way would be to show that if you take $V=C_2times C_2$, $langle alpha rangle$ injects into the automorphism group of $V$, which is isomorphic to $GL_2(mathbb{F}_2)$, by mapping $alpha$ to $$left(begin{array}{cc}1&1\0&1end{array}right).$$
Then show that the semidirect product defined by this automorphism is isomorphic to $D_8$ by whatever presentation you're using.
You could try the same idea using permutation group notation, taking $V=langle(1,2),(3,4)rangle$ and mapping $alpha$ to the automorphism $$varphi_alpha:left{begin{array}{l}(1,2)mapsto (1,2)(3,4) \ (3,4)mapsto (3,4)end{array}right. .$$
Or yet another variation would be the presentation $$langle r,s,t|r^2=s^2=t^2=[r,s]=[s,t]=1,r^t=rsrangle.$$
It all depends how you want to do it, but this automorphism is the key.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
I see your points now here, Alexander, The Great. :)
$endgroup$
– mrs
Nov 22 '12 at 7:40
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I think the following fact can help us:
Let $H$, $K$ be groups and $$phi: H overset{text{hom}}{longrightarrow}text{Aut}(K)$$ be an automorphism of $K$. We denote for all $x$ in $X$; $phi(x)=phi_xin text{Aut}(K)$ Then the product $$Ktimes H$$ with the following rule can make it a new structure called the semi-product of $K$ by $H$ and denote that by $$Ktimes_{phi}H\(k,h)cdot(k',h')=(kphi_{h}(k'),hh')$$ In fact, the homomorphism $phi$ caused a rule for group operation.
Now put $H=langle xmid x^p=1 rangle$ and $K=langle ymid y^{p^{m-1}}=1 rangle$ wherein $p$ is a prime and $minmathbb N$. We can consider $forall xin H, phi(x)=phi_x$ such that $phi_x(y)=x^{-1}yx, yin K$. Here, we have $$phi_{x}: y mapsto y^{p^{m-2}}$$ and it is really of order $p$. now by appling the above nwe structure we have: $$M_m(p)=langle x,ymid x^p=1,y^{p^{m-1}}=1,x^{-1}yx=y^{p^{m-2}}rangle$$
It is easily be seen that $M_3(2)$ has the same presentation as $D_8$ has.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
ops! The group K the Klein would be??
$endgroup$
– User2040
Nov 22 '12 at 0:13
$begingroup$
@Lima: Actually, no. In fact $D_{2n}$ is an extension of $mathbb Z_n$ by $mathbb Z_2$. So $Kcongmathbb Z_4$ here. :)
$endgroup$
– mrs
Nov 22 '12 at 4:00
$begingroup$
@BabakSorouh It's also an extension of $V$ by $mathbb{Z}_2$.
$endgroup$
– Alexander Gruber♦
Nov 22 '12 at 7:15
$begingroup$
@AlexanderGruber: Isn't it because the automorphism groups of $Z_4$ and $V$ are the same group? I, recently, worked on one of Rotman's book and what I thought about $D_8$ above came from there.
$endgroup$
– mrs
Nov 22 '12 at 7:38
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I like to think about $D_8$ as the group of invariants of a square.
So the our group $V$ is given by the identity, the 2 reflections that have no fix points and their product which is 180°-rotation.
Semidirect product can be characterized as split short exact sequences of groups. This is just a fancy way to say the following:
Given a group $G$ and a normal subgroup $Nsubset G$. Denote by $pi:Gto G/N$ the projection map. Then $Gcong Nrtimes G/N$ iff there exists a homomorphism $phi: G/Nto G$, such that $picircphi=mathrm{id}_{G/N}$. This $phi$ is called a splitting homomorphism.
Back to our dihedral group: $D_8/Vcong C_2$. In order to define a splitting homomorphism $C_2to D_8$ we need to find an element of order 2 that is not contained in $V$. Such an element is given by a reflection through one of the diagonals of our square. It is clear that $pi$ doesn't map t his element to $0in C_2$ because it does not lie in $V$. So we constructed a homomorphism $phi: C_2to D_8$ such that $picircphi=mathrm{id}_{C_2}$.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
Your Answer
StackExchange.ifUsing("editor", function () {
return StackExchange.using("mathjaxEditing", function () {
StackExchange.MarkdownEditor.creationCallbacks.add(function (editor, postfix) {
StackExchange.mathjaxEditing.prepareWmdForMathJax(editor, postfix, [["$", "$"], ["\\(","\\)"]]);
});
});
}, "mathjax-editing");
StackExchange.ready(function() {
var channelOptions = {
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "69"
};
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
createEditor();
});
}
else {
createEditor();
}
});
function createEditor() {
StackExchange.prepareEditor({
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: true,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: 10,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader: {
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
},
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
});
}
});
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f242202%2fdihedral-group-d-8-as-a-semidirect-product-v-rtimes-c-2%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
4 Answers
4
active
oldest
votes
4 Answers
4
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
If you know a bit more about group theory you could always do the following:
There is a non-trivial semi-direct product of $V$ and $C_2$ since $mathrm{Aut}(V)$ contains an element of order $2$.
The resulting group has order $8$ and is not abelian (we know that there is an element which acts non-trivial by conjugation).
The resulting group has at least as many subgroups of order $2$ as $V$ so there are $3$ or more.
Finally: There is only one non-Abelian group of order $8$ with more than one subgroup of order $2$ and that is $D_8$.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
If you know a bit more about group theory you could always do the following:
There is a non-trivial semi-direct product of $V$ and $C_2$ since $mathrm{Aut}(V)$ contains an element of order $2$.
The resulting group has order $8$ and is not abelian (we know that there is an element which acts non-trivial by conjugation).
The resulting group has at least as many subgroups of order $2$ as $V$ so there are $3$ or more.
Finally: There is only one non-Abelian group of order $8$ with more than one subgroup of order $2$ and that is $D_8$.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
If you know a bit more about group theory you could always do the following:
There is a non-trivial semi-direct product of $V$ and $C_2$ since $mathrm{Aut}(V)$ contains an element of order $2$.
The resulting group has order $8$ and is not abelian (we know that there is an element which acts non-trivial by conjugation).
The resulting group has at least as many subgroups of order $2$ as $V$ so there are $3$ or more.
Finally: There is only one non-Abelian group of order $8$ with more than one subgroup of order $2$ and that is $D_8$.
$endgroup$
If you know a bit more about group theory you could always do the following:
There is a non-trivial semi-direct product of $V$ and $C_2$ since $mathrm{Aut}(V)$ contains an element of order $2$.
The resulting group has order $8$ and is not abelian (we know that there is an element which acts non-trivial by conjugation).
The resulting group has at least as many subgroups of order $2$ as $V$ so there are $3$ or more.
Finally: There is only one non-Abelian group of order $8$ with more than one subgroup of order $2$ and that is $D_8$.
answered Nov 22 '12 at 8:38
Sebastian SchoennenbeckSebastian Schoennenbeck
2,1421017
2,1421017
add a comment |
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Depends on what you're using as your definition of $D_8$.
One way would be to show that if you take $V=C_2times C_2$, $langle alpha rangle$ injects into the automorphism group of $V$, which is isomorphic to $GL_2(mathbb{F}_2)$, by mapping $alpha$ to $$left(begin{array}{cc}1&1\0&1end{array}right).$$
Then show that the semidirect product defined by this automorphism is isomorphic to $D_8$ by whatever presentation you're using.
You could try the same idea using permutation group notation, taking $V=langle(1,2),(3,4)rangle$ and mapping $alpha$ to the automorphism $$varphi_alpha:left{begin{array}{l}(1,2)mapsto (1,2)(3,4) \ (3,4)mapsto (3,4)end{array}right. .$$
Or yet another variation would be the presentation $$langle r,s,t|r^2=s^2=t^2=[r,s]=[s,t]=1,r^t=rsrangle.$$
It all depends how you want to do it, but this automorphism is the key.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
I see your points now here, Alexander, The Great. :)
$endgroup$
– mrs
Nov 22 '12 at 7:40
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Depends on what you're using as your definition of $D_8$.
One way would be to show that if you take $V=C_2times C_2$, $langle alpha rangle$ injects into the automorphism group of $V$, which is isomorphic to $GL_2(mathbb{F}_2)$, by mapping $alpha$ to $$left(begin{array}{cc}1&1\0&1end{array}right).$$
Then show that the semidirect product defined by this automorphism is isomorphic to $D_8$ by whatever presentation you're using.
You could try the same idea using permutation group notation, taking $V=langle(1,2),(3,4)rangle$ and mapping $alpha$ to the automorphism $$varphi_alpha:left{begin{array}{l}(1,2)mapsto (1,2)(3,4) \ (3,4)mapsto (3,4)end{array}right. .$$
Or yet another variation would be the presentation $$langle r,s,t|r^2=s^2=t^2=[r,s]=[s,t]=1,r^t=rsrangle.$$
It all depends how you want to do it, but this automorphism is the key.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
I see your points now here, Alexander, The Great. :)
$endgroup$
– mrs
Nov 22 '12 at 7:40
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Depends on what you're using as your definition of $D_8$.
One way would be to show that if you take $V=C_2times C_2$, $langle alpha rangle$ injects into the automorphism group of $V$, which is isomorphic to $GL_2(mathbb{F}_2)$, by mapping $alpha$ to $$left(begin{array}{cc}1&1\0&1end{array}right).$$
Then show that the semidirect product defined by this automorphism is isomorphic to $D_8$ by whatever presentation you're using.
You could try the same idea using permutation group notation, taking $V=langle(1,2),(3,4)rangle$ and mapping $alpha$ to the automorphism $$varphi_alpha:left{begin{array}{l}(1,2)mapsto (1,2)(3,4) \ (3,4)mapsto (3,4)end{array}right. .$$
Or yet another variation would be the presentation $$langle r,s,t|r^2=s^2=t^2=[r,s]=[s,t]=1,r^t=rsrangle.$$
It all depends how you want to do it, but this automorphism is the key.
$endgroup$
Depends on what you're using as your definition of $D_8$.
One way would be to show that if you take $V=C_2times C_2$, $langle alpha rangle$ injects into the automorphism group of $V$, which is isomorphic to $GL_2(mathbb{F}_2)$, by mapping $alpha$ to $$left(begin{array}{cc}1&1\0&1end{array}right).$$
Then show that the semidirect product defined by this automorphism is isomorphic to $D_8$ by whatever presentation you're using.
You could try the same idea using permutation group notation, taking $V=langle(1,2),(3,4)rangle$ and mapping $alpha$ to the automorphism $$varphi_alpha:left{begin{array}{l}(1,2)mapsto (1,2)(3,4) \ (3,4)mapsto (3,4)end{array}right. .$$
Or yet another variation would be the presentation $$langle r,s,t|r^2=s^2=t^2=[r,s]=[s,t]=1,r^t=rsrangle.$$
It all depends how you want to do it, but this automorphism is the key.
edited Nov 22 '12 at 2:11
answered Nov 22 '12 at 1:59
Alexander Gruber♦Alexander Gruber
20.1k25102172
20.1k25102172
$begingroup$
I see your points now here, Alexander, The Great. :)
$endgroup$
– mrs
Nov 22 '12 at 7:40
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I see your points now here, Alexander, The Great. :)
$endgroup$
– mrs
Nov 22 '12 at 7:40
$begingroup$
I see your points now here, Alexander, The Great. :)
$endgroup$
– mrs
Nov 22 '12 at 7:40
$begingroup$
I see your points now here, Alexander, The Great. :)
$endgroup$
– mrs
Nov 22 '12 at 7:40
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I think the following fact can help us:
Let $H$, $K$ be groups and $$phi: H overset{text{hom}}{longrightarrow}text{Aut}(K)$$ be an automorphism of $K$. We denote for all $x$ in $X$; $phi(x)=phi_xin text{Aut}(K)$ Then the product $$Ktimes H$$ with the following rule can make it a new structure called the semi-product of $K$ by $H$ and denote that by $$Ktimes_{phi}H\(k,h)cdot(k',h')=(kphi_{h}(k'),hh')$$ In fact, the homomorphism $phi$ caused a rule for group operation.
Now put $H=langle xmid x^p=1 rangle$ and $K=langle ymid y^{p^{m-1}}=1 rangle$ wherein $p$ is a prime and $minmathbb N$. We can consider $forall xin H, phi(x)=phi_x$ such that $phi_x(y)=x^{-1}yx, yin K$. Here, we have $$phi_{x}: y mapsto y^{p^{m-2}}$$ and it is really of order $p$. now by appling the above nwe structure we have: $$M_m(p)=langle x,ymid x^p=1,y^{p^{m-1}}=1,x^{-1}yx=y^{p^{m-2}}rangle$$
It is easily be seen that $M_3(2)$ has the same presentation as $D_8$ has.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
ops! The group K the Klein would be??
$endgroup$
– User2040
Nov 22 '12 at 0:13
$begingroup$
@Lima: Actually, no. In fact $D_{2n}$ is an extension of $mathbb Z_n$ by $mathbb Z_2$. So $Kcongmathbb Z_4$ here. :)
$endgroup$
– mrs
Nov 22 '12 at 4:00
$begingroup$
@BabakSorouh It's also an extension of $V$ by $mathbb{Z}_2$.
$endgroup$
– Alexander Gruber♦
Nov 22 '12 at 7:15
$begingroup$
@AlexanderGruber: Isn't it because the automorphism groups of $Z_4$ and $V$ are the same group? I, recently, worked on one of Rotman's book and what I thought about $D_8$ above came from there.
$endgroup$
– mrs
Nov 22 '12 at 7:38
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I think the following fact can help us:
Let $H$, $K$ be groups and $$phi: H overset{text{hom}}{longrightarrow}text{Aut}(K)$$ be an automorphism of $K$. We denote for all $x$ in $X$; $phi(x)=phi_xin text{Aut}(K)$ Then the product $$Ktimes H$$ with the following rule can make it a new structure called the semi-product of $K$ by $H$ and denote that by $$Ktimes_{phi}H\(k,h)cdot(k',h')=(kphi_{h}(k'),hh')$$ In fact, the homomorphism $phi$ caused a rule for group operation.
Now put $H=langle xmid x^p=1 rangle$ and $K=langle ymid y^{p^{m-1}}=1 rangle$ wherein $p$ is a prime and $minmathbb N$. We can consider $forall xin H, phi(x)=phi_x$ such that $phi_x(y)=x^{-1}yx, yin K$. Here, we have $$phi_{x}: y mapsto y^{p^{m-2}}$$ and it is really of order $p$. now by appling the above nwe structure we have: $$M_m(p)=langle x,ymid x^p=1,y^{p^{m-1}}=1,x^{-1}yx=y^{p^{m-2}}rangle$$
It is easily be seen that $M_3(2)$ has the same presentation as $D_8$ has.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
ops! The group K the Klein would be??
$endgroup$
– User2040
Nov 22 '12 at 0:13
$begingroup$
@Lima: Actually, no. In fact $D_{2n}$ is an extension of $mathbb Z_n$ by $mathbb Z_2$. So $Kcongmathbb Z_4$ here. :)
$endgroup$
– mrs
Nov 22 '12 at 4:00
$begingroup$
@BabakSorouh It's also an extension of $V$ by $mathbb{Z}_2$.
$endgroup$
– Alexander Gruber♦
Nov 22 '12 at 7:15
$begingroup$
@AlexanderGruber: Isn't it because the automorphism groups of $Z_4$ and $V$ are the same group? I, recently, worked on one of Rotman's book and what I thought about $D_8$ above came from there.
$endgroup$
– mrs
Nov 22 '12 at 7:38
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I think the following fact can help us:
Let $H$, $K$ be groups and $$phi: H overset{text{hom}}{longrightarrow}text{Aut}(K)$$ be an automorphism of $K$. We denote for all $x$ in $X$; $phi(x)=phi_xin text{Aut}(K)$ Then the product $$Ktimes H$$ with the following rule can make it a new structure called the semi-product of $K$ by $H$ and denote that by $$Ktimes_{phi}H\(k,h)cdot(k',h')=(kphi_{h}(k'),hh')$$ In fact, the homomorphism $phi$ caused a rule for group operation.
Now put $H=langle xmid x^p=1 rangle$ and $K=langle ymid y^{p^{m-1}}=1 rangle$ wherein $p$ is a prime and $minmathbb N$. We can consider $forall xin H, phi(x)=phi_x$ such that $phi_x(y)=x^{-1}yx, yin K$. Here, we have $$phi_{x}: y mapsto y^{p^{m-2}}$$ and it is really of order $p$. now by appling the above nwe structure we have: $$M_m(p)=langle x,ymid x^p=1,y^{p^{m-1}}=1,x^{-1}yx=y^{p^{m-2}}rangle$$
It is easily be seen that $M_3(2)$ has the same presentation as $D_8$ has.
$endgroup$
I think the following fact can help us:
Let $H$, $K$ be groups and $$phi: H overset{text{hom}}{longrightarrow}text{Aut}(K)$$ be an automorphism of $K$. We denote for all $x$ in $X$; $phi(x)=phi_xin text{Aut}(K)$ Then the product $$Ktimes H$$ with the following rule can make it a new structure called the semi-product of $K$ by $H$ and denote that by $$Ktimes_{phi}H\(k,h)cdot(k',h')=(kphi_{h}(k'),hh')$$ In fact, the homomorphism $phi$ caused a rule for group operation.
Now put $H=langle xmid x^p=1 rangle$ and $K=langle ymid y^{p^{m-1}}=1 rangle$ wherein $p$ is a prime and $minmathbb N$. We can consider $forall xin H, phi(x)=phi_x$ such that $phi_x(y)=x^{-1}yx, yin K$. Here, we have $$phi_{x}: y mapsto y^{p^{m-2}}$$ and it is really of order $p$. now by appling the above nwe structure we have: $$M_m(p)=langle x,ymid x^p=1,y^{p^{m-1}}=1,x^{-1}yx=y^{p^{m-2}}rangle$$
It is easily be seen that $M_3(2)$ has the same presentation as $D_8$ has.
edited Dec 31 '18 at 14:54
Shaun
9,310113684
9,310113684
answered Nov 21 '12 at 20:34
mrsmrs
1
1
$begingroup$
ops! The group K the Klein would be??
$endgroup$
– User2040
Nov 22 '12 at 0:13
$begingroup$
@Lima: Actually, no. In fact $D_{2n}$ is an extension of $mathbb Z_n$ by $mathbb Z_2$. So $Kcongmathbb Z_4$ here. :)
$endgroup$
– mrs
Nov 22 '12 at 4:00
$begingroup$
@BabakSorouh It's also an extension of $V$ by $mathbb{Z}_2$.
$endgroup$
– Alexander Gruber♦
Nov 22 '12 at 7:15
$begingroup$
@AlexanderGruber: Isn't it because the automorphism groups of $Z_4$ and $V$ are the same group? I, recently, worked on one of Rotman's book and what I thought about $D_8$ above came from there.
$endgroup$
– mrs
Nov 22 '12 at 7:38
add a comment |
$begingroup$
ops! The group K the Klein would be??
$endgroup$
– User2040
Nov 22 '12 at 0:13
$begingroup$
@Lima: Actually, no. In fact $D_{2n}$ is an extension of $mathbb Z_n$ by $mathbb Z_2$. So $Kcongmathbb Z_4$ here. :)
$endgroup$
– mrs
Nov 22 '12 at 4:00
$begingroup$
@BabakSorouh It's also an extension of $V$ by $mathbb{Z}_2$.
$endgroup$
– Alexander Gruber♦
Nov 22 '12 at 7:15
$begingroup$
@AlexanderGruber: Isn't it because the automorphism groups of $Z_4$ and $V$ are the same group? I, recently, worked on one of Rotman's book and what I thought about $D_8$ above came from there.
$endgroup$
– mrs
Nov 22 '12 at 7:38
$begingroup$
ops! The group K the Klein would be??
$endgroup$
– User2040
Nov 22 '12 at 0:13
$begingroup$
ops! The group K the Klein would be??
$endgroup$
– User2040
Nov 22 '12 at 0:13
$begingroup$
@Lima: Actually, no. In fact $D_{2n}$ is an extension of $mathbb Z_n$ by $mathbb Z_2$. So $Kcongmathbb Z_4$ here. :)
$endgroup$
– mrs
Nov 22 '12 at 4:00
$begingroup$
@Lima: Actually, no. In fact $D_{2n}$ is an extension of $mathbb Z_n$ by $mathbb Z_2$. So $Kcongmathbb Z_4$ here. :)
$endgroup$
– mrs
Nov 22 '12 at 4:00
$begingroup$
@BabakSorouh It's also an extension of $V$ by $mathbb{Z}_2$.
$endgroup$
– Alexander Gruber♦
Nov 22 '12 at 7:15
$begingroup$
@BabakSorouh It's also an extension of $V$ by $mathbb{Z}_2$.
$endgroup$
– Alexander Gruber♦
Nov 22 '12 at 7:15
$begingroup$
@AlexanderGruber: Isn't it because the automorphism groups of $Z_4$ and $V$ are the same group? I, recently, worked on one of Rotman's book and what I thought about $D_8$ above came from there.
$endgroup$
– mrs
Nov 22 '12 at 7:38
$begingroup$
@AlexanderGruber: Isn't it because the automorphism groups of $Z_4$ and $V$ are the same group? I, recently, worked on one of Rotman's book and what I thought about $D_8$ above came from there.
$endgroup$
– mrs
Nov 22 '12 at 7:38
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I like to think about $D_8$ as the group of invariants of a square.
So the our group $V$ is given by the identity, the 2 reflections that have no fix points and their product which is 180°-rotation.
Semidirect product can be characterized as split short exact sequences of groups. This is just a fancy way to say the following:
Given a group $G$ and a normal subgroup $Nsubset G$. Denote by $pi:Gto G/N$ the projection map. Then $Gcong Nrtimes G/N$ iff there exists a homomorphism $phi: G/Nto G$, such that $picircphi=mathrm{id}_{G/N}$. This $phi$ is called a splitting homomorphism.
Back to our dihedral group: $D_8/Vcong C_2$. In order to define a splitting homomorphism $C_2to D_8$ we need to find an element of order 2 that is not contained in $V$. Such an element is given by a reflection through one of the diagonals of our square. It is clear that $pi$ doesn't map t his element to $0in C_2$ because it does not lie in $V$. So we constructed a homomorphism $phi: C_2to D_8$ such that $picircphi=mathrm{id}_{C_2}$.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I like to think about $D_8$ as the group of invariants of a square.
So the our group $V$ is given by the identity, the 2 reflections that have no fix points and their product which is 180°-rotation.
Semidirect product can be characterized as split short exact sequences of groups. This is just a fancy way to say the following:
Given a group $G$ and a normal subgroup $Nsubset G$. Denote by $pi:Gto G/N$ the projection map. Then $Gcong Nrtimes G/N$ iff there exists a homomorphism $phi: G/Nto G$, such that $picircphi=mathrm{id}_{G/N}$. This $phi$ is called a splitting homomorphism.
Back to our dihedral group: $D_8/Vcong C_2$. In order to define a splitting homomorphism $C_2to D_8$ we need to find an element of order 2 that is not contained in $V$. Such an element is given by a reflection through one of the diagonals of our square. It is clear that $pi$ doesn't map t his element to $0in C_2$ because it does not lie in $V$. So we constructed a homomorphism $phi: C_2to D_8$ such that $picircphi=mathrm{id}_{C_2}$.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I like to think about $D_8$ as the group of invariants of a square.
So the our group $V$ is given by the identity, the 2 reflections that have no fix points and their product which is 180°-rotation.
Semidirect product can be characterized as split short exact sequences of groups. This is just a fancy way to say the following:
Given a group $G$ and a normal subgroup $Nsubset G$. Denote by $pi:Gto G/N$ the projection map. Then $Gcong Nrtimes G/N$ iff there exists a homomorphism $phi: G/Nto G$, such that $picircphi=mathrm{id}_{G/N}$. This $phi$ is called a splitting homomorphism.
Back to our dihedral group: $D_8/Vcong C_2$. In order to define a splitting homomorphism $C_2to D_8$ we need to find an element of order 2 that is not contained in $V$. Such an element is given by a reflection through one of the diagonals of our square. It is clear that $pi$ doesn't map t his element to $0in C_2$ because it does not lie in $V$. So we constructed a homomorphism $phi: C_2to D_8$ such that $picircphi=mathrm{id}_{C_2}$.
$endgroup$
I like to think about $D_8$ as the group of invariants of a square.
So the our group $V$ is given by the identity, the 2 reflections that have no fix points and their product which is 180°-rotation.
Semidirect product can be characterized as split short exact sequences of groups. This is just a fancy way to say the following:
Given a group $G$ and a normal subgroup $Nsubset G$. Denote by $pi:Gto G/N$ the projection map. Then $Gcong Nrtimes G/N$ iff there exists a homomorphism $phi: G/Nto G$, such that $picircphi=mathrm{id}_{G/N}$. This $phi$ is called a splitting homomorphism.
Back to our dihedral group: $D_8/Vcong C_2$. In order to define a splitting homomorphism $C_2to D_8$ we need to find an element of order 2 that is not contained in $V$. Such an element is given by a reflection through one of the diagonals of our square. It is clear that $pi$ doesn't map t his element to $0in C_2$ because it does not lie in $V$. So we constructed a homomorphism $phi: C_2to D_8$ such that $picircphi=mathrm{id}_{C_2}$.
answered Nov 22 '12 at 11:23
CurufinCurufin
30716
30716
add a comment |
add a comment |
Thanks for contributing an answer to Mathematics Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f242202%2fdihedral-group-d-8-as-a-semidirect-product-v-rtimes-c-2%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown