Function: $f(x,y) = (x^2+4y^2-5)(x-1)$. Find where $f(x,y)=0; f(x,y)>0; f(x,y)<0$ [closed]
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I just begin with the 3- dimension function. I dont really understand how to begin with this problem.
Function $$f(x,y)= (x^2+4y^2-5)(x-1)$$
Find where $$f(x,y)=0; f(x,y)>0; f(x,y)<0.$$
To find where $$f(x,y)=0$$ i already have the ellipse function $$(x^2)/5 +(y^2)/(5/4)=1$$ and the straight line $$x=1$$ but the other two i dont know how to solve.
Thank you very much.
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I just begin with the 3- dimension function. I dont really understand how to begin with this problem.
Function $$f(x,y)= (x^2+4y^2-5)(x-1)$$
Find where $$f(x,y)=0; f(x,y)>0; f(x,y)<0.$$
To find where $$f(x,y)=0$$ i already have the ellipse function $$(x^2)/5 +(y^2)/(5/4)=1$$ and the straight line $$x=1$$ but the other two i dont know how to solve.
Thank you very much.
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closed as off-topic by amWhy, Eevee Trainer, user10354138, Erick Wong, Leucippus Dec 17 '18 at 8:14
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if you are on the ellipse, it's clear that those inequalities occur outside the ellipse or inside of it.
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– valer
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I just begin with the 3- dimension function. I dont really understand how to begin with this problem.
Function $$f(x,y)= (x^2+4y^2-5)(x-1)$$
Find where $$f(x,y)=0; f(x,y)>0; f(x,y)<0.$$
To find where $$f(x,y)=0$$ i already have the ellipse function $$(x^2)/5 +(y^2)/(5/4)=1$$ and the straight line $$x=1$$ but the other two i dont know how to solve.
Thank you very much.
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I just begin with the 3- dimension function. I dont really understand how to begin with this problem.
Function $$f(x,y)= (x^2+4y^2-5)(x-1)$$
Find where $$f(x,y)=0; f(x,y)>0; f(x,y)<0.$$
To find where $$f(x,y)=0$$ i already have the ellipse function $$(x^2)/5 +(y^2)/(5/4)=1$$ and the straight line $$x=1$$ but the other two i dont know how to solve.
Thank you very much.
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edited Dec 16 '18 at 23:18
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if you are on the ellipse, it's clear that those inequalities occur outside the ellipse or inside of it.
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– valer
Dec 16 '18 at 23:23
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if you are on the ellipse, it's clear that those inequalities occur outside the ellipse or inside of it.
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– valer
Dec 16 '18 at 23:23
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if you are on the ellipse, it's clear that those inequalities occur outside the ellipse or inside of it.
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– valer
Dec 16 '18 at 23:23
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if you are on the ellipse, it's clear that those inequalities occur outside the ellipse or inside of it.
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As Brian Tung explained there are 4 regions to check. I will explain why this works.
Since $fcolonmathbb R^2tomathbb R$ is continuous the images of connected subsets connected. In $mathbb R$ an open subset is connected if and only if it is an open interval. So as our regions are connected open subsets of $mathbb R^2$ the images of them under $f$ are open intervals.
Let $R$ be one of the regions. We know that $forall (x,y)in R: f(x,y)ne0$. So as $f(X)$ is an Interval $f(X)subset mathbb R_{>0}$ or $f(X) subsetmathbb R_{<0}$. In words: all Points $(x,y)$ in a region are either positive or negative.
Just calculate one of the values in each region and you know if the whole region is positive or negative.
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+1. Thanks for filling in the gaps. Though I must say, I'm mildly surprised that this particular aspect was the OP's gap.
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– Brian Tung
Dec 17 '18 at 1:42
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HINT:
2.$f(x,y)gt 0 =(x^2+4y^2-5)(x-1)gt 0$is only possible when (x-1) and(x^2+4y^2-5) both are positive or both are negative.
so,this yields,
$$(x-1)gt 0~~~~and~~~~(x^2+4y^2-5)gt 0$$
$$0r,$$
$$(x-1)lt 0~~~~and~~~~(x^2+4y^2-5)lt 0$$
solve these 4 inequality conditions and you will get your second answer.
Now,
3.$f(x,y)lt 0 =(x^2+4y^2-5)(x-1)lt 0$is only possible when between (x-1) and(x^2+4y^2-5) one is positive and the other one is negative.
So,this yields,
$$(x-1)gt 0~~~~and~~~~(x^2+4y^2-5)lt 0$$
$$0r,$$
$$(x-1)lt 0~~~~and~~~~(x^2+4y^2-5)gt 0$$
solve these 4 inequality conditions and you will get your third answer.
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You've already correctly identified the boundaries of the regions you need to identify:
These two curves divide the plane into four regions:
- inside the ellipse and to the left of the line
- inside the ellipse and to the right of the line
- outside the ellipse and to the left of the line
- outside the ellipse and to the right of the line
In each region, simply decide whether the first term $x^2+4y^2-5$ is positive or negative, and whether the second term $x-1$ is positive or negative. Then keep in mind how positive and negative terms multiply, and you should have your answer.
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Hi. Thanks for your answer. Can you explain alittle bit more, base on what we have those divided regions and how can they determine the positive or negative value of f(x,y)?
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– Vu Thanh Phan
Dec 16 '18 at 23:44
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It's no different from seeing that for a function of one variable—say, $x^2+x-2$—the function equals $0$ at $x = -2$ and $x = 1$, and realizing that it must be positive or negative in the regions bounded by those points. (In fact, it is positive for $x < -2$, negative for $-2 < x < 1$, and positive again for $x > 1$.) Here, you have already correctly identified the boundaries of the regions in question; I have plotted them in my answer. Within those regions, are those two terms positive or negative?
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– Brian Tung
Dec 17 '18 at 0:09
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As Brian Tung explained there are 4 regions to check. I will explain why this works.
Since $fcolonmathbb R^2tomathbb R$ is continuous the images of connected subsets connected. In $mathbb R$ an open subset is connected if and only if it is an open interval. So as our regions are connected open subsets of $mathbb R^2$ the images of them under $f$ are open intervals.
Let $R$ be one of the regions. We know that $forall (x,y)in R: f(x,y)ne0$. So as $f(X)$ is an Interval $f(X)subset mathbb R_{>0}$ or $f(X) subsetmathbb R_{<0}$. In words: all Points $(x,y)$ in a region are either positive or negative.
Just calculate one of the values in each region and you know if the whole region is positive or negative.
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+1. Thanks for filling in the gaps. Though I must say, I'm mildly surprised that this particular aspect was the OP's gap.
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– Brian Tung
Dec 17 '18 at 1:42
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As Brian Tung explained there are 4 regions to check. I will explain why this works.
Since $fcolonmathbb R^2tomathbb R$ is continuous the images of connected subsets connected. In $mathbb R$ an open subset is connected if and only if it is an open interval. So as our regions are connected open subsets of $mathbb R^2$ the images of them under $f$ are open intervals.
Let $R$ be one of the regions. We know that $forall (x,y)in R: f(x,y)ne0$. So as $f(X)$ is an Interval $f(X)subset mathbb R_{>0}$ or $f(X) subsetmathbb R_{<0}$. In words: all Points $(x,y)$ in a region are either positive or negative.
Just calculate one of the values in each region and you know if the whole region is positive or negative.
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+1. Thanks for filling in the gaps. Though I must say, I'm mildly surprised that this particular aspect was the OP's gap.
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– Brian Tung
Dec 17 '18 at 1:42
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As Brian Tung explained there are 4 regions to check. I will explain why this works.
Since $fcolonmathbb R^2tomathbb R$ is continuous the images of connected subsets connected. In $mathbb R$ an open subset is connected if and only if it is an open interval. So as our regions are connected open subsets of $mathbb R^2$ the images of them under $f$ are open intervals.
Let $R$ be one of the regions. We know that $forall (x,y)in R: f(x,y)ne0$. So as $f(X)$ is an Interval $f(X)subset mathbb R_{>0}$ or $f(X) subsetmathbb R_{<0}$. In words: all Points $(x,y)$ in a region are either positive or negative.
Just calculate one of the values in each region and you know if the whole region is positive or negative.
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As Brian Tung explained there are 4 regions to check. I will explain why this works.
Since $fcolonmathbb R^2tomathbb R$ is continuous the images of connected subsets connected. In $mathbb R$ an open subset is connected if and only if it is an open interval. So as our regions are connected open subsets of $mathbb R^2$ the images of them under $f$ are open intervals.
Let $R$ be one of the regions. We know that $forall (x,y)in R: f(x,y)ne0$. So as $f(X)$ is an Interval $f(X)subset mathbb R_{>0}$ or $f(X) subsetmathbb R_{<0}$. In words: all Points $(x,y)$ in a region are either positive or negative.
Just calculate one of the values in each region and you know if the whole region is positive or negative.
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answered Dec 16 '18 at 23:57
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+1. Thanks for filling in the gaps. Though I must say, I'm mildly surprised that this particular aspect was the OP's gap.
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– Brian Tung
Dec 17 '18 at 1:42
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+1. Thanks for filling in the gaps. Though I must say, I'm mildly surprised that this particular aspect was the OP's gap.
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– Brian Tung
Dec 17 '18 at 1:42
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+1. Thanks for filling in the gaps. Though I must say, I'm mildly surprised that this particular aspect was the OP's gap.
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– Brian Tung
Dec 17 '18 at 1:42
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+1. Thanks for filling in the gaps. Though I must say, I'm mildly surprised that this particular aspect was the OP's gap.
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– Brian Tung
Dec 17 '18 at 1:42
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HINT:
2.$f(x,y)gt 0 =(x^2+4y^2-5)(x-1)gt 0$is only possible when (x-1) and(x^2+4y^2-5) both are positive or both are negative.
so,this yields,
$$(x-1)gt 0~~~~and~~~~(x^2+4y^2-5)gt 0$$
$$0r,$$
$$(x-1)lt 0~~~~and~~~~(x^2+4y^2-5)lt 0$$
solve these 4 inequality conditions and you will get your second answer.
Now,
3.$f(x,y)lt 0 =(x^2+4y^2-5)(x-1)lt 0$is only possible when between (x-1) and(x^2+4y^2-5) one is positive and the other one is negative.
So,this yields,
$$(x-1)gt 0~~~~and~~~~(x^2+4y^2-5)lt 0$$
$$0r,$$
$$(x-1)lt 0~~~~and~~~~(x^2+4y^2-5)gt 0$$
solve these 4 inequality conditions and you will get your third answer.
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add a comment |
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HINT:
2.$f(x,y)gt 0 =(x^2+4y^2-5)(x-1)gt 0$is only possible when (x-1) and(x^2+4y^2-5) both are positive or both are negative.
so,this yields,
$$(x-1)gt 0~~~~and~~~~(x^2+4y^2-5)gt 0$$
$$0r,$$
$$(x-1)lt 0~~~~and~~~~(x^2+4y^2-5)lt 0$$
solve these 4 inequality conditions and you will get your second answer.
Now,
3.$f(x,y)lt 0 =(x^2+4y^2-5)(x-1)lt 0$is only possible when between (x-1) and(x^2+4y^2-5) one is positive and the other one is negative.
So,this yields,
$$(x-1)gt 0~~~~and~~~~(x^2+4y^2-5)lt 0$$
$$0r,$$
$$(x-1)lt 0~~~~and~~~~(x^2+4y^2-5)gt 0$$
solve these 4 inequality conditions and you will get your third answer.
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add a comment |
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HINT:
2.$f(x,y)gt 0 =(x^2+4y^2-5)(x-1)gt 0$is only possible when (x-1) and(x^2+4y^2-5) both are positive or both are negative.
so,this yields,
$$(x-1)gt 0~~~~and~~~~(x^2+4y^2-5)gt 0$$
$$0r,$$
$$(x-1)lt 0~~~~and~~~~(x^2+4y^2-5)lt 0$$
solve these 4 inequality conditions and you will get your second answer.
Now,
3.$f(x,y)lt 0 =(x^2+4y^2-5)(x-1)lt 0$is only possible when between (x-1) and(x^2+4y^2-5) one is positive and the other one is negative.
So,this yields,
$$(x-1)gt 0~~~~and~~~~(x^2+4y^2-5)lt 0$$
$$0r,$$
$$(x-1)lt 0~~~~and~~~~(x^2+4y^2-5)gt 0$$
solve these 4 inequality conditions and you will get your third answer.
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HINT:
2.$f(x,y)gt 0 =(x^2+4y^2-5)(x-1)gt 0$is only possible when (x-1) and(x^2+4y^2-5) both are positive or both are negative.
so,this yields,
$$(x-1)gt 0~~~~and~~~~(x^2+4y^2-5)gt 0$$
$$0r,$$
$$(x-1)lt 0~~~~and~~~~(x^2+4y^2-5)lt 0$$
solve these 4 inequality conditions and you will get your second answer.
Now,
3.$f(x,y)lt 0 =(x^2+4y^2-5)(x-1)lt 0$is only possible when between (x-1) and(x^2+4y^2-5) one is positive and the other one is negative.
So,this yields,
$$(x-1)gt 0~~~~and~~~~(x^2+4y^2-5)lt 0$$
$$0r,$$
$$(x-1)lt 0~~~~and~~~~(x^2+4y^2-5)gt 0$$
solve these 4 inequality conditions and you will get your third answer.
answered Dec 16 '18 at 23:29
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You've already correctly identified the boundaries of the regions you need to identify:
These two curves divide the plane into four regions:
- inside the ellipse and to the left of the line
- inside the ellipse and to the right of the line
- outside the ellipse and to the left of the line
- outside the ellipse and to the right of the line
In each region, simply decide whether the first term $x^2+4y^2-5$ is positive or negative, and whether the second term $x-1$ is positive or negative. Then keep in mind how positive and negative terms multiply, and you should have your answer.
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Hi. Thanks for your answer. Can you explain alittle bit more, base on what we have those divided regions and how can they determine the positive or negative value of f(x,y)?
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– Vu Thanh Phan
Dec 16 '18 at 23:44
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It's no different from seeing that for a function of one variable—say, $x^2+x-2$—the function equals $0$ at $x = -2$ and $x = 1$, and realizing that it must be positive or negative in the regions bounded by those points. (In fact, it is positive for $x < -2$, negative for $-2 < x < 1$, and positive again for $x > 1$.) Here, you have already correctly identified the boundaries of the regions in question; I have plotted them in my answer. Within those regions, are those two terms positive or negative?
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– Brian Tung
Dec 17 '18 at 0:09
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$begingroup$
You've already correctly identified the boundaries of the regions you need to identify:
These two curves divide the plane into four regions:
- inside the ellipse and to the left of the line
- inside the ellipse and to the right of the line
- outside the ellipse and to the left of the line
- outside the ellipse and to the right of the line
In each region, simply decide whether the first term $x^2+4y^2-5$ is positive or negative, and whether the second term $x-1$ is positive or negative. Then keep in mind how positive and negative terms multiply, and you should have your answer.
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Hi. Thanks for your answer. Can you explain alittle bit more, base on what we have those divided regions and how can they determine the positive or negative value of f(x,y)?
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– Vu Thanh Phan
Dec 16 '18 at 23:44
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It's no different from seeing that for a function of one variable—say, $x^2+x-2$—the function equals $0$ at $x = -2$ and $x = 1$, and realizing that it must be positive or negative in the regions bounded by those points. (In fact, it is positive for $x < -2$, negative for $-2 < x < 1$, and positive again for $x > 1$.) Here, you have already correctly identified the boundaries of the regions in question; I have plotted them in my answer. Within those regions, are those two terms positive or negative?
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– Brian Tung
Dec 17 '18 at 0:09
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You've already correctly identified the boundaries of the regions you need to identify:
These two curves divide the plane into four regions:
- inside the ellipse and to the left of the line
- inside the ellipse and to the right of the line
- outside the ellipse and to the left of the line
- outside the ellipse and to the right of the line
In each region, simply decide whether the first term $x^2+4y^2-5$ is positive or negative, and whether the second term $x-1$ is positive or negative. Then keep in mind how positive and negative terms multiply, and you should have your answer.
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You've already correctly identified the boundaries of the regions you need to identify:
These two curves divide the plane into four regions:
- inside the ellipse and to the left of the line
- inside the ellipse and to the right of the line
- outside the ellipse and to the left of the line
- outside the ellipse and to the right of the line
In each region, simply decide whether the first term $x^2+4y^2-5$ is positive or negative, and whether the second term $x-1$ is positive or negative. Then keep in mind how positive and negative terms multiply, and you should have your answer.
edited Dec 16 '18 at 23:33
answered Dec 16 '18 at 23:28
Brian TungBrian Tung
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Hi. Thanks for your answer. Can you explain alittle bit more, base on what we have those divided regions and how can they determine the positive or negative value of f(x,y)?
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– Vu Thanh Phan
Dec 16 '18 at 23:44
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It's no different from seeing that for a function of one variable—say, $x^2+x-2$—the function equals $0$ at $x = -2$ and $x = 1$, and realizing that it must be positive or negative in the regions bounded by those points. (In fact, it is positive for $x < -2$, negative for $-2 < x < 1$, and positive again for $x > 1$.) Here, you have already correctly identified the boundaries of the regions in question; I have plotted them in my answer. Within those regions, are those two terms positive or negative?
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– Brian Tung
Dec 17 '18 at 0:09
add a comment |
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Hi. Thanks for your answer. Can you explain alittle bit more, base on what we have those divided regions and how can they determine the positive or negative value of f(x,y)?
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– Vu Thanh Phan
Dec 16 '18 at 23:44
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It's no different from seeing that for a function of one variable—say, $x^2+x-2$—the function equals $0$ at $x = -2$ and $x = 1$, and realizing that it must be positive or negative in the regions bounded by those points. (In fact, it is positive for $x < -2$, negative for $-2 < x < 1$, and positive again for $x > 1$.) Here, you have already correctly identified the boundaries of the regions in question; I have plotted them in my answer. Within those regions, are those two terms positive or negative?
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– Brian Tung
Dec 17 '18 at 0:09
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Hi. Thanks for your answer. Can you explain alittle bit more, base on what we have those divided regions and how can they determine the positive or negative value of f(x,y)?
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– Vu Thanh Phan
Dec 16 '18 at 23:44
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Hi. Thanks for your answer. Can you explain alittle bit more, base on what we have those divided regions and how can they determine the positive or negative value of f(x,y)?
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– Vu Thanh Phan
Dec 16 '18 at 23:44
$begingroup$
It's no different from seeing that for a function of one variable—say, $x^2+x-2$—the function equals $0$ at $x = -2$ and $x = 1$, and realizing that it must be positive or negative in the regions bounded by those points. (In fact, it is positive for $x < -2$, negative for $-2 < x < 1$, and positive again for $x > 1$.) Here, you have already correctly identified the boundaries of the regions in question; I have plotted them in my answer. Within those regions, are those two terms positive or negative?
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– Brian Tung
Dec 17 '18 at 0:09
$begingroup$
It's no different from seeing that for a function of one variable—say, $x^2+x-2$—the function equals $0$ at $x = -2$ and $x = 1$, and realizing that it must be positive or negative in the regions bounded by those points. (In fact, it is positive for $x < -2$, negative for $-2 < x < 1$, and positive again for $x > 1$.) Here, you have already correctly identified the boundaries of the regions in question; I have plotted them in my answer. Within those regions, are those two terms positive or negative?
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– Brian Tung
Dec 17 '18 at 0:09
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if you are on the ellipse, it's clear that those inequalities occur outside the ellipse or inside of it.
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– valer
Dec 16 '18 at 23:23