A Machinist's Imperfect Disk
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Exercise
A machinist is required to manufacture a circular metal disk with area $1000$ cm$^2$.
What radius produces such a disk?
If the machinist is allowed an error tolerance of $pm 5$ cm$^2$ in the area of the disk, how close to the ideal radius in part (1) must the machinist control the radius?
In terms of the $epsilon$, $delta$ definition of $lim limits_{x to a}{f(x)} = L$ what is $x$? What is $f(x)$? What value of $epsilon$ is given? What is the corresponding value of $delta$?
Solution
Note: I've decided to solve part (3) before part (2), as it helps set the stage of the solution of (2).
1. What radius produces such a disk?
$pi r_0^2 = 1000 implies r_0 = sqrt{frac{1000}{pi}} approx 17.8412$
3. In terms of the $epsilon$, $delta$ definition of $lim limits_{x to a}{f(x)} = L$ what is $x$? What is $f(x)$? What value of $epsilon$ is given? What is the corresponding value of $delta$?
$a = r_0 approx 17.8412$
$L = pi r_0^2 = 1000$
$x = r$
$f(x) = pi r^2$
$|r - r_0| < delta$
$|pi r^2 - pi r_0^2| < epsilon$
2. If the machinist is allowed an error tolerance of $pm 5$ cm$^2$ in the area of the disk, how close to the ideal radius in part (1) must the machinist control the radius?
$|pi r^2 - pi r_0^2| < epsilon$
$implies |pi r^2 - 1000| < 5$
$implies -5 < pi r^2 - 1000 < 5$
$implies 995 < pi r^2 < 1005$
$implies frac{995}{pi} < r^2 < frac{1005}{pi}$
$implies sqrt{frac{995}{pi}} < r < sqrt{frac{1005}{pi}}$
$implies 17.7966 < r < 17.8858$
$|r - r_0| < delta implies |r - 17.8412| < delta$
$|17.7966 - 17.8412| < delta implies 0.0446 < delta$
$|17.8858 - 17.8412| < delta implies 0.0446 < delta$
$delta = min(0.0446, 0.0446) = 0.0446$
Answer
1. What radius produces such a disk?
$$r_0 = 17.8412 text{ cm}$$
2. If the machinist is allowed an error tolerance of $pm 5$ cm$^2$ in the area of the disk, how close to the ideal radius in part (1) must the machinist control the radius?
$$delta = 0.0446 text{ cm}$$
3. In terms of the $epsilon$, $delta$ definition of $lim limits_{x to a}{f(x)} = L$ what is $x$? What is $f(x)$? What value of $epsilon$ is given? What is the corresponding value of $delta$?
$$|r - r_0| < delta$$
$$|pi r^2 - pi r_0^2| < epsilon$$
Request
Is my answer correct? If not, in what part of my solution did I make a mistake?
calculus limits proof-verification word-problem
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Exercise
A machinist is required to manufacture a circular metal disk with area $1000$ cm$^2$.
What radius produces such a disk?
If the machinist is allowed an error tolerance of $pm 5$ cm$^2$ in the area of the disk, how close to the ideal radius in part (1) must the machinist control the radius?
In terms of the $epsilon$, $delta$ definition of $lim limits_{x to a}{f(x)} = L$ what is $x$? What is $f(x)$? What value of $epsilon$ is given? What is the corresponding value of $delta$?
Solution
Note: I've decided to solve part (3) before part (2), as it helps set the stage of the solution of (2).
1. What radius produces such a disk?
$pi r_0^2 = 1000 implies r_0 = sqrt{frac{1000}{pi}} approx 17.8412$
3. In terms of the $epsilon$, $delta$ definition of $lim limits_{x to a}{f(x)} = L$ what is $x$? What is $f(x)$? What value of $epsilon$ is given? What is the corresponding value of $delta$?
$a = r_0 approx 17.8412$
$L = pi r_0^2 = 1000$
$x = r$
$f(x) = pi r^2$
$|r - r_0| < delta$
$|pi r^2 - pi r_0^2| < epsilon$
2. If the machinist is allowed an error tolerance of $pm 5$ cm$^2$ in the area of the disk, how close to the ideal radius in part (1) must the machinist control the radius?
$|pi r^2 - pi r_0^2| < epsilon$
$implies |pi r^2 - 1000| < 5$
$implies -5 < pi r^2 - 1000 < 5$
$implies 995 < pi r^2 < 1005$
$implies frac{995}{pi} < r^2 < frac{1005}{pi}$
$implies sqrt{frac{995}{pi}} < r < sqrt{frac{1005}{pi}}$
$implies 17.7966 < r < 17.8858$
$|r - r_0| < delta implies |r - 17.8412| < delta$
$|17.7966 - 17.8412| < delta implies 0.0446 < delta$
$|17.8858 - 17.8412| < delta implies 0.0446 < delta$
$delta = min(0.0446, 0.0446) = 0.0446$
Answer
1. What radius produces such a disk?
$$r_0 = 17.8412 text{ cm}$$
2. If the machinist is allowed an error tolerance of $pm 5$ cm$^2$ in the area of the disk, how close to the ideal radius in part (1) must the machinist control the radius?
$$delta = 0.0446 text{ cm}$$
3. In terms of the $epsilon$, $delta$ definition of $lim limits_{x to a}{f(x)} = L$ what is $x$? What is $f(x)$? What value of $epsilon$ is given? What is the corresponding value of $delta$?
$$|r - r_0| < delta$$
$$|pi r^2 - pi r_0^2| < epsilon$$
Request
Is my answer correct? If not, in what part of my solution did I make a mistake?
calculus limits proof-verification word-problem
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I feel the need to rant here. This problem promotes bad ways of thinking about epsilon-delta proofs. First, it encourages the notion that in order to do such a proof you need to find the maximum possible value of $delta.$ This is not true. Second, it provides an example in which it appears that there is a value of $delta$ such that $|f(x) - f(a)| < epsilon$ if and only if $|x - a| < delta.$ This notion also is not generally true, though you would need to use higher-precision arithmetic to show it is false in this example.
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Exercise
A machinist is required to manufacture a circular metal disk with area $1000$ cm$^2$.
What radius produces such a disk?
If the machinist is allowed an error tolerance of $pm 5$ cm$^2$ in the area of the disk, how close to the ideal radius in part (1) must the machinist control the radius?
In terms of the $epsilon$, $delta$ definition of $lim limits_{x to a}{f(x)} = L$ what is $x$? What is $f(x)$? What value of $epsilon$ is given? What is the corresponding value of $delta$?
Solution
Note: I've decided to solve part (3) before part (2), as it helps set the stage of the solution of (2).
1. What radius produces such a disk?
$pi r_0^2 = 1000 implies r_0 = sqrt{frac{1000}{pi}} approx 17.8412$
3. In terms of the $epsilon$, $delta$ definition of $lim limits_{x to a}{f(x)} = L$ what is $x$? What is $f(x)$? What value of $epsilon$ is given? What is the corresponding value of $delta$?
$a = r_0 approx 17.8412$
$L = pi r_0^2 = 1000$
$x = r$
$f(x) = pi r^2$
$|r - r_0| < delta$
$|pi r^2 - pi r_0^2| < epsilon$
2. If the machinist is allowed an error tolerance of $pm 5$ cm$^2$ in the area of the disk, how close to the ideal radius in part (1) must the machinist control the radius?
$|pi r^2 - pi r_0^2| < epsilon$
$implies |pi r^2 - 1000| < 5$
$implies -5 < pi r^2 - 1000 < 5$
$implies 995 < pi r^2 < 1005$
$implies frac{995}{pi} < r^2 < frac{1005}{pi}$
$implies sqrt{frac{995}{pi}} < r < sqrt{frac{1005}{pi}}$
$implies 17.7966 < r < 17.8858$
$|r - r_0| < delta implies |r - 17.8412| < delta$
$|17.7966 - 17.8412| < delta implies 0.0446 < delta$
$|17.8858 - 17.8412| < delta implies 0.0446 < delta$
$delta = min(0.0446, 0.0446) = 0.0446$
Answer
1. What radius produces such a disk?
$$r_0 = 17.8412 text{ cm}$$
2. If the machinist is allowed an error tolerance of $pm 5$ cm$^2$ in the area of the disk, how close to the ideal radius in part (1) must the machinist control the radius?
$$delta = 0.0446 text{ cm}$$
3. In terms of the $epsilon$, $delta$ definition of $lim limits_{x to a}{f(x)} = L$ what is $x$? What is $f(x)$? What value of $epsilon$ is given? What is the corresponding value of $delta$?
$$|r - r_0| < delta$$
$$|pi r^2 - pi r_0^2| < epsilon$$
Request
Is my answer correct? If not, in what part of my solution did I make a mistake?
calculus limits proof-verification word-problem
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Exercise
A machinist is required to manufacture a circular metal disk with area $1000$ cm$^2$.
What radius produces such a disk?
If the machinist is allowed an error tolerance of $pm 5$ cm$^2$ in the area of the disk, how close to the ideal radius in part (1) must the machinist control the radius?
In terms of the $epsilon$, $delta$ definition of $lim limits_{x to a}{f(x)} = L$ what is $x$? What is $f(x)$? What value of $epsilon$ is given? What is the corresponding value of $delta$?
Solution
Note: I've decided to solve part (3) before part (2), as it helps set the stage of the solution of (2).
1. What radius produces such a disk?
$pi r_0^2 = 1000 implies r_0 = sqrt{frac{1000}{pi}} approx 17.8412$
3. In terms of the $epsilon$, $delta$ definition of $lim limits_{x to a}{f(x)} = L$ what is $x$? What is $f(x)$? What value of $epsilon$ is given? What is the corresponding value of $delta$?
$a = r_0 approx 17.8412$
$L = pi r_0^2 = 1000$
$x = r$
$f(x) = pi r^2$
$|r - r_0| < delta$
$|pi r^2 - pi r_0^2| < epsilon$
2. If the machinist is allowed an error tolerance of $pm 5$ cm$^2$ in the area of the disk, how close to the ideal radius in part (1) must the machinist control the radius?
$|pi r^2 - pi r_0^2| < epsilon$
$implies |pi r^2 - 1000| < 5$
$implies -5 < pi r^2 - 1000 < 5$
$implies 995 < pi r^2 < 1005$
$implies frac{995}{pi} < r^2 < frac{1005}{pi}$
$implies sqrt{frac{995}{pi}} < r < sqrt{frac{1005}{pi}}$
$implies 17.7966 < r < 17.8858$
$|r - r_0| < delta implies |r - 17.8412| < delta$
$|17.7966 - 17.8412| < delta implies 0.0446 < delta$
$|17.8858 - 17.8412| < delta implies 0.0446 < delta$
$delta = min(0.0446, 0.0446) = 0.0446$
Answer
1. What radius produces such a disk?
$$r_0 = 17.8412 text{ cm}$$
2. If the machinist is allowed an error tolerance of $pm 5$ cm$^2$ in the area of the disk, how close to the ideal radius in part (1) must the machinist control the radius?
$$delta = 0.0446 text{ cm}$$
3. In terms of the $epsilon$, $delta$ definition of $lim limits_{x to a}{f(x)} = L$ what is $x$? What is $f(x)$? What value of $epsilon$ is given? What is the corresponding value of $delta$?
$$|r - r_0| < delta$$
$$|pi r^2 - pi r_0^2| < epsilon$$
Request
Is my answer correct? If not, in what part of my solution did I make a mistake?
calculus limits proof-verification word-problem
calculus limits proof-verification word-problem
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I feel the need to rant here. This problem promotes bad ways of thinking about epsilon-delta proofs. First, it encourages the notion that in order to do such a proof you need to find the maximum possible value of $delta.$ This is not true. Second, it provides an example in which it appears that there is a value of $delta$ such that $|f(x) - f(a)| < epsilon$ if and only if $|x - a| < delta.$ This notion also is not generally true, though you would need to use higher-precision arithmetic to show it is false in this example.
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– David K
Feb 9 at 18:57
add a comment |
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I feel the need to rant here. This problem promotes bad ways of thinking about epsilon-delta proofs. First, it encourages the notion that in order to do such a proof you need to find the maximum possible value of $delta.$ This is not true. Second, it provides an example in which it appears that there is a value of $delta$ such that $|f(x) - f(a)| < epsilon$ if and only if $|x - a| < delta.$ This notion also is not generally true, though you would need to use higher-precision arithmetic to show it is false in this example.
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– David K
Feb 9 at 18:57
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I feel the need to rant here. This problem promotes bad ways of thinking about epsilon-delta proofs. First, it encourages the notion that in order to do such a proof you need to find the maximum possible value of $delta.$ This is not true. Second, it provides an example in which it appears that there is a value of $delta$ such that $|f(x) - f(a)| < epsilon$ if and only if $|x - a| < delta.$ This notion also is not generally true, though you would need to use higher-precision arithmetic to show it is false in this example.
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– David K
Feb 9 at 18:57
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I feel the need to rant here. This problem promotes bad ways of thinking about epsilon-delta proofs. First, it encourages the notion that in order to do such a proof you need to find the maximum possible value of $delta.$ This is not true. Second, it provides an example in which it appears that there is a value of $delta$ such that $|f(x) - f(a)| < epsilon$ if and only if $|x - a| < delta.$ This notion also is not generally true, though you would need to use higher-precision arithmetic to show it is false in this example.
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In part 3 you are asked about four items: $x$, $f(x)$, $epsilon$, and $delta$. Your answer omits these. To make it clear:
- The independent variable $x$ here is the radius $r$ of the disk
- The function $f$ maps radius to area, i.e., $rmapsto pi r^2$. In other words, $f(x)=pi x^2$.
- The given $epsilon$ is $5,text{cm}^2$
- The corresponding (or rather: a suitable) value of $delta$ is the $approx 0.0446,text{cm}$ you found
On a sidenote, we may observe that picking $delta$ such that $fracepsilondelta=f'(r_0)$ usually gives a good enough approximation. Indeed, for the problem at hand $f'(x)=2pi x$, so we quickly obtain $delta=frac{epsilon}{2pi r_0}approx 0.0446$.
Things become even easier with relative errors: Raising to $n$th power multiplies (small) relative errors by $n$. Hence for a desired relative output error of $frac 5{1000}=frac1{200}$, the relative input error should be bounded by $frac{1}{400}$, and indeed $frac1{400}cdot 17.8412approx 0.0446$.
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In part 3 you are asked about four items: $x$, $f(x)$, $epsilon$, and $delta$. Your answer omits these. To make it clear:
- The independent variable $x$ here is the radius $r$ of the disk
- The function $f$ maps radius to area, i.e., $rmapsto pi r^2$. In other words, $f(x)=pi x^2$.
- The given $epsilon$ is $5,text{cm}^2$
- The corresponding (or rather: a suitable) value of $delta$ is the $approx 0.0446,text{cm}$ you found
On a sidenote, we may observe that picking $delta$ such that $fracepsilondelta=f'(r_0)$ usually gives a good enough approximation. Indeed, for the problem at hand $f'(x)=2pi x$, so we quickly obtain $delta=frac{epsilon}{2pi r_0}approx 0.0446$.
Things become even easier with relative errors: Raising to $n$th power multiplies (small) relative errors by $n$. Hence for a desired relative output error of $frac 5{1000}=frac1{200}$, the relative input error should be bounded by $frac{1}{400}$, and indeed $frac1{400}cdot 17.8412approx 0.0446$.
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In part 3 you are asked about four items: $x$, $f(x)$, $epsilon$, and $delta$. Your answer omits these. To make it clear:
- The independent variable $x$ here is the radius $r$ of the disk
- The function $f$ maps radius to area, i.e., $rmapsto pi r^2$. In other words, $f(x)=pi x^2$.
- The given $epsilon$ is $5,text{cm}^2$
- The corresponding (or rather: a suitable) value of $delta$ is the $approx 0.0446,text{cm}$ you found
On a sidenote, we may observe that picking $delta$ such that $fracepsilondelta=f'(r_0)$ usually gives a good enough approximation. Indeed, for the problem at hand $f'(x)=2pi x$, so we quickly obtain $delta=frac{epsilon}{2pi r_0}approx 0.0446$.
Things become even easier with relative errors: Raising to $n$th power multiplies (small) relative errors by $n$. Hence for a desired relative output error of $frac 5{1000}=frac1{200}$, the relative input error should be bounded by $frac{1}{400}$, and indeed $frac1{400}cdot 17.8412approx 0.0446$.
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In part 3 you are asked about four items: $x$, $f(x)$, $epsilon$, and $delta$. Your answer omits these. To make it clear:
- The independent variable $x$ here is the radius $r$ of the disk
- The function $f$ maps radius to area, i.e., $rmapsto pi r^2$. In other words, $f(x)=pi x^2$.
- The given $epsilon$ is $5,text{cm}^2$
- The corresponding (or rather: a suitable) value of $delta$ is the $approx 0.0446,text{cm}$ you found
On a sidenote, we may observe that picking $delta$ such that $fracepsilondelta=f'(r_0)$ usually gives a good enough approximation. Indeed, for the problem at hand $f'(x)=2pi x$, so we quickly obtain $delta=frac{epsilon}{2pi r_0}approx 0.0446$.
Things become even easier with relative errors: Raising to $n$th power multiplies (small) relative errors by $n$. Hence for a desired relative output error of $frac 5{1000}=frac1{200}$, the relative input error should be bounded by $frac{1}{400}$, and indeed $frac1{400}cdot 17.8412approx 0.0446$.
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In part 3 you are asked about four items: $x$, $f(x)$, $epsilon$, and $delta$. Your answer omits these. To make it clear:
- The independent variable $x$ here is the radius $r$ of the disk
- The function $f$ maps radius to area, i.e., $rmapsto pi r^2$. In other words, $f(x)=pi x^2$.
- The given $epsilon$ is $5,text{cm}^2$
- The corresponding (or rather: a suitable) value of $delta$ is the $approx 0.0446,text{cm}$ you found
On a sidenote, we may observe that picking $delta$ such that $fracepsilondelta=f'(r_0)$ usually gives a good enough approximation. Indeed, for the problem at hand $f'(x)=2pi x$, so we quickly obtain $delta=frac{epsilon}{2pi r_0}approx 0.0446$.
Things become even easier with relative errors: Raising to $n$th power multiplies (small) relative errors by $n$. Hence for a desired relative output error of $frac 5{1000}=frac1{200}$, the relative input error should be bounded by $frac{1}{400}$, and indeed $frac1{400}cdot 17.8412approx 0.0446$.
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I feel the need to rant here. This problem promotes bad ways of thinking about epsilon-delta proofs. First, it encourages the notion that in order to do such a proof you need to find the maximum possible value of $delta.$ This is not true. Second, it provides an example in which it appears that there is a value of $delta$ such that $|f(x) - f(a)| < epsilon$ if and only if $|x - a| < delta.$ This notion also is not generally true, though you would need to use higher-precision arithmetic to show it is false in this example.
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