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A machinist is required to manufacture a circular metal disk with area $1000$ cm$^2$.




  1. What radius produces such a disk?


  2. If the machinist is allowed an error tolerance of $pm 5$ cm$^2$ in the area of the disk, how close to the ideal radius in part (1) must the machinist control the radius?


  3. In terms of the $epsilon$, $delta$ definition of $lim limits_{x to a}{f(x)} = L$ what is $x$? What is $f(x)$? What value of $epsilon$ is given? What is the corresponding value of $delta$?







Solution



Note: I've decided to solve part (3) before part (2), as it helps set the stage of the solution of (2).




1. What radius produces such a disk?




$pi r_0^2 = 1000 implies r_0 = sqrt{frac{1000}{pi}} approx 17.8412$




3. In terms of the $epsilon$, $delta$ definition of $lim limits_{x to a}{f(x)} = L$ what is $x$? What is $f(x)$? What value of $epsilon$ is given? What is the corresponding value of $delta$?




$a = r_0 approx 17.8412$



$L = pi r_0^2 = 1000$



$x = r$



$f(x) = pi r^2$



$|r - r_0| < delta$



$|pi r^2 - pi r_0^2| < epsilon$




2. If the machinist is allowed an error tolerance of $pm 5$ cm$^2$ in the area of the disk, how close to the ideal radius in part (1) must the machinist control the radius?




$|pi r^2 - pi r_0^2| < epsilon$
$implies |pi r^2 - 1000| < 5$
$implies -5 < pi r^2 - 1000 < 5$
$implies 995 < pi r^2 < 1005$
$implies frac{995}{pi} < r^2 < frac{1005}{pi}$
$implies sqrt{frac{995}{pi}} < r < sqrt{frac{1005}{pi}}$
$implies 17.7966 < r < 17.8858$



$|r - r_0| < delta implies |r - 17.8412| < delta$



$|17.7966 - 17.8412| < delta implies 0.0446 < delta$



$|17.8858 - 17.8412| < delta implies 0.0446 < delta$



$delta = min(0.0446, 0.0446) = 0.0446$





Answer




1. What radius produces such a disk?




$$r_0 = 17.8412 text{ cm}$$




2. If the machinist is allowed an error tolerance of $pm 5$ cm$^2$ in the area of the disk, how close to the ideal radius in part (1) must the machinist control the radius?




$$delta = 0.0446 text{ cm}$$




3. In terms of the $epsilon$, $delta$ definition of $lim limits_{x to a}{f(x)} = L$ what is $x$? What is $f(x)$? What value of $epsilon$ is given? What is the corresponding value of $delta$?




$$|r - r_0| < delta$$



$$|pi r^2 - pi r_0^2| < epsilon$$





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Exercise




A machinist is required to manufacture a circular metal disk with area $1000$ cm$^2$.




  1. What radius produces such a disk?


  2. If the machinist is allowed an error tolerance of $pm 5$ cm$^2$ in the area of the disk, how close to the ideal radius in part (1) must the machinist control the radius?


  3. In terms of the $epsilon$, $delta$ definition of $lim limits_{x to a}{f(x)} = L$ what is $x$? What is $f(x)$? What value of $epsilon$ is given? What is the corresponding value of $delta$?







Solution



Note: I've decided to solve part (3) before part (2), as it helps set the stage of the solution of (2).




1. What radius produces such a disk?




$pi r_0^2 = 1000 implies r_0 = sqrt{frac{1000}{pi}} approx 17.8412$




3. In terms of the $epsilon$, $delta$ definition of $lim limits_{x to a}{f(x)} = L$ what is $x$? What is $f(x)$? What value of $epsilon$ is given? What is the corresponding value of $delta$?




$a = r_0 approx 17.8412$



$L = pi r_0^2 = 1000$



$x = r$



$f(x) = pi r^2$



$|r - r_0| < delta$



$|pi r^2 - pi r_0^2| < epsilon$




2. If the machinist is allowed an error tolerance of $pm 5$ cm$^2$ in the area of the disk, how close to the ideal radius in part (1) must the machinist control the radius?




$|pi r^2 - pi r_0^2| < epsilon$
$implies |pi r^2 - 1000| < 5$
$implies -5 < pi r^2 - 1000 < 5$
$implies 995 < pi r^2 < 1005$
$implies frac{995}{pi} < r^2 < frac{1005}{pi}$
$implies sqrt{frac{995}{pi}} < r < sqrt{frac{1005}{pi}}$
$implies 17.7966 < r < 17.8858$



$|r - r_0| < delta implies |r - 17.8412| < delta$



$|17.7966 - 17.8412| < delta implies 0.0446 < delta$



$|17.8858 - 17.8412| < delta implies 0.0446 < delta$



$delta = min(0.0446, 0.0446) = 0.0446$





Answer




1. What radius produces such a disk?




$$r_0 = 17.8412 text{ cm}$$




2. If the machinist is allowed an error tolerance of $pm 5$ cm$^2$ in the area of the disk, how close to the ideal radius in part (1) must the machinist control the radius?




$$delta = 0.0446 text{ cm}$$




3. In terms of the $epsilon$, $delta$ definition of $lim limits_{x to a}{f(x)} = L$ what is $x$? What is $f(x)$? What value of $epsilon$ is given? What is the corresponding value of $delta$?




$$|r - r_0| < delta$$



$$|pi r^2 - pi r_0^2| < epsilon$$





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    I feel the need to rant here. This problem promotes bad ways of thinking about epsilon-delta proofs. First, it encourages the notion that in order to do such a proof you need to find the maximum possible value of $delta.$ This is not true. Second, it provides an example in which it appears that there is a value of $delta$ such that $|f(x) - f(a)| < epsilon$ if and only if $|x - a| < delta.$ This notion also is not generally true, though you would need to use higher-precision arithmetic to show it is false in this example.
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A machinist is required to manufacture a circular metal disk with area $1000$ cm$^2$.




  1. What radius produces such a disk?


  2. If the machinist is allowed an error tolerance of $pm 5$ cm$^2$ in the area of the disk, how close to the ideal radius in part (1) must the machinist control the radius?


  3. In terms of the $epsilon$, $delta$ definition of $lim limits_{x to a}{f(x)} = L$ what is $x$? What is $f(x)$? What value of $epsilon$ is given? What is the corresponding value of $delta$?







Solution



Note: I've decided to solve part (3) before part (2), as it helps set the stage of the solution of (2).




1. What radius produces such a disk?




$pi r_0^2 = 1000 implies r_0 = sqrt{frac{1000}{pi}} approx 17.8412$




3. In terms of the $epsilon$, $delta$ definition of $lim limits_{x to a}{f(x)} = L$ what is $x$? What is $f(x)$? What value of $epsilon$ is given? What is the corresponding value of $delta$?




$a = r_0 approx 17.8412$



$L = pi r_0^2 = 1000$



$x = r$



$f(x) = pi r^2$



$|r - r_0| < delta$



$|pi r^2 - pi r_0^2| < epsilon$




2. If the machinist is allowed an error tolerance of $pm 5$ cm$^2$ in the area of the disk, how close to the ideal radius in part (1) must the machinist control the radius?




$|pi r^2 - pi r_0^2| < epsilon$
$implies |pi r^2 - 1000| < 5$
$implies -5 < pi r^2 - 1000 < 5$
$implies 995 < pi r^2 < 1005$
$implies frac{995}{pi} < r^2 < frac{1005}{pi}$
$implies sqrt{frac{995}{pi}} < r < sqrt{frac{1005}{pi}}$
$implies 17.7966 < r < 17.8858$



$|r - r_0| < delta implies |r - 17.8412| < delta$



$|17.7966 - 17.8412| < delta implies 0.0446 < delta$



$|17.8858 - 17.8412| < delta implies 0.0446 < delta$



$delta = min(0.0446, 0.0446) = 0.0446$





Answer




1. What radius produces such a disk?




$$r_0 = 17.8412 text{ cm}$$




2. If the machinist is allowed an error tolerance of $pm 5$ cm$^2$ in the area of the disk, how close to the ideal radius in part (1) must the machinist control the radius?




$$delta = 0.0446 text{ cm}$$




3. In terms of the $epsilon$, $delta$ definition of $lim limits_{x to a}{f(x)} = L$ what is $x$? What is $f(x)$? What value of $epsilon$ is given? What is the corresponding value of $delta$?




$$|r - r_0| < delta$$



$$|pi r^2 - pi r_0^2| < epsilon$$





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Exercise




A machinist is required to manufacture a circular metal disk with area $1000$ cm$^2$.




  1. What radius produces such a disk?


  2. If the machinist is allowed an error tolerance of $pm 5$ cm$^2$ in the area of the disk, how close to the ideal radius in part (1) must the machinist control the radius?


  3. In terms of the $epsilon$, $delta$ definition of $lim limits_{x to a}{f(x)} = L$ what is $x$? What is $f(x)$? What value of $epsilon$ is given? What is the corresponding value of $delta$?







Solution



Note: I've decided to solve part (3) before part (2), as it helps set the stage of the solution of (2).




1. What radius produces such a disk?




$pi r_0^2 = 1000 implies r_0 = sqrt{frac{1000}{pi}} approx 17.8412$




3. In terms of the $epsilon$, $delta$ definition of $lim limits_{x to a}{f(x)} = L$ what is $x$? What is $f(x)$? What value of $epsilon$ is given? What is the corresponding value of $delta$?




$a = r_0 approx 17.8412$



$L = pi r_0^2 = 1000$



$x = r$



$f(x) = pi r^2$



$|r - r_0| < delta$



$|pi r^2 - pi r_0^2| < epsilon$




2. If the machinist is allowed an error tolerance of $pm 5$ cm$^2$ in the area of the disk, how close to the ideal radius in part (1) must the machinist control the radius?




$|pi r^2 - pi r_0^2| < epsilon$
$implies |pi r^2 - 1000| < 5$
$implies -5 < pi r^2 - 1000 < 5$
$implies 995 < pi r^2 < 1005$
$implies frac{995}{pi} < r^2 < frac{1005}{pi}$
$implies sqrt{frac{995}{pi}} < r < sqrt{frac{1005}{pi}}$
$implies 17.7966 < r < 17.8858$



$|r - r_0| < delta implies |r - 17.8412| < delta$



$|17.7966 - 17.8412| < delta implies 0.0446 < delta$



$|17.8858 - 17.8412| < delta implies 0.0446 < delta$



$delta = min(0.0446, 0.0446) = 0.0446$





Answer




1. What radius produces such a disk?




$$r_0 = 17.8412 text{ cm}$$




2. If the machinist is allowed an error tolerance of $pm 5$ cm$^2$ in the area of the disk, how close to the ideal radius in part (1) must the machinist control the radius?




$$delta = 0.0446 text{ cm}$$




3. In terms of the $epsilon$, $delta$ definition of $lim limits_{x to a}{f(x)} = L$ what is $x$? What is $f(x)$? What value of $epsilon$ is given? What is the corresponding value of $delta$?




$$|r - r_0| < delta$$



$$|pi r^2 - pi r_0^2| < epsilon$$





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Is my answer correct? If not, in what part of my solution did I make a mistake?







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    I feel the need to rant here. This problem promotes bad ways of thinking about epsilon-delta proofs. First, it encourages the notion that in order to do such a proof you need to find the maximum possible value of $delta.$ This is not true. Second, it provides an example in which it appears that there is a value of $delta$ such that $|f(x) - f(a)| < epsilon$ if and only if $|x - a| < delta.$ This notion also is not generally true, though you would need to use higher-precision arithmetic to show it is false in this example.
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    I feel the need to rant here. This problem promotes bad ways of thinking about epsilon-delta proofs. First, it encourages the notion that in order to do such a proof you need to find the maximum possible value of $delta.$ This is not true. Second, it provides an example in which it appears that there is a value of $delta$ such that $|f(x) - f(a)| < epsilon$ if and only if $|x - a| < delta.$ This notion also is not generally true, though you would need to use higher-precision arithmetic to show it is false in this example.
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I feel the need to rant here. This problem promotes bad ways of thinking about epsilon-delta proofs. First, it encourages the notion that in order to do such a proof you need to find the maximum possible value of $delta.$ This is not true. Second, it provides an example in which it appears that there is a value of $delta$ such that $|f(x) - f(a)| < epsilon$ if and only if $|x - a| < delta.$ This notion also is not generally true, though you would need to use higher-precision arithmetic to show it is false in this example.
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I feel the need to rant here. This problem promotes bad ways of thinking about epsilon-delta proofs. First, it encourages the notion that in order to do such a proof you need to find the maximum possible value of $delta.$ This is not true. Second, it provides an example in which it appears that there is a value of $delta$ such that $|f(x) - f(a)| < epsilon$ if and only if $|x - a| < delta.$ This notion also is not generally true, though you would need to use higher-precision arithmetic to show it is false in this example.
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In part 3 you are asked about four items: $x$, $f(x)$, $epsilon$, and $delta$. Your answer omits these. To make it clear:




  • The independent variable $x$ here is the radius $r$ of the disk

  • The function $f$ maps radius to area, i.e., $rmapsto pi r^2$. In other words, $f(x)=pi x^2$.

  • The given $epsilon$ is $5,text{cm}^2$

  • The corresponding (or rather: a suitable) value of $delta$ is the $approx 0.0446,text{cm}$ you found


On a sidenote, we may observe that picking $delta$ such that $fracepsilondelta=f'(r_0)$ usually gives a good enough approximation. Indeed, for the problem at hand $f'(x)=2pi x$, so we quickly obtain $delta=frac{epsilon}{2pi r_0}approx 0.0446$.
Things become even easier with relative errors: Raising to $n$th power multiplies (small) relative errors by $n$. Hence for a desired relative output error of $frac 5{1000}=frac1{200}$, the relative input error should be bounded by $frac{1}{400}$, and indeed $frac1{400}cdot 17.8412approx 0.0446$.






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    In part 3 you are asked about four items: $x$, $f(x)$, $epsilon$, and $delta$. Your answer omits these. To make it clear:




    • The independent variable $x$ here is the radius $r$ of the disk

    • The function $f$ maps radius to area, i.e., $rmapsto pi r^2$. In other words, $f(x)=pi x^2$.

    • The given $epsilon$ is $5,text{cm}^2$

    • The corresponding (or rather: a suitable) value of $delta$ is the $approx 0.0446,text{cm}$ you found


    On a sidenote, we may observe that picking $delta$ such that $fracepsilondelta=f'(r_0)$ usually gives a good enough approximation. Indeed, for the problem at hand $f'(x)=2pi x$, so we quickly obtain $delta=frac{epsilon}{2pi r_0}approx 0.0446$.
    Things become even easier with relative errors: Raising to $n$th power multiplies (small) relative errors by $n$. Hence for a desired relative output error of $frac 5{1000}=frac1{200}$, the relative input error should be bounded by $frac{1}{400}$, and indeed $frac1{400}cdot 17.8412approx 0.0446$.






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      In part 3 you are asked about four items: $x$, $f(x)$, $epsilon$, and $delta$. Your answer omits these. To make it clear:




      • The independent variable $x$ here is the radius $r$ of the disk

      • The function $f$ maps radius to area, i.e., $rmapsto pi r^2$. In other words, $f(x)=pi x^2$.

      • The given $epsilon$ is $5,text{cm}^2$

      • The corresponding (or rather: a suitable) value of $delta$ is the $approx 0.0446,text{cm}$ you found


      On a sidenote, we may observe that picking $delta$ such that $fracepsilondelta=f'(r_0)$ usually gives a good enough approximation. Indeed, for the problem at hand $f'(x)=2pi x$, so we quickly obtain $delta=frac{epsilon}{2pi r_0}approx 0.0446$.
      Things become even easier with relative errors: Raising to $n$th power multiplies (small) relative errors by $n$. Hence for a desired relative output error of $frac 5{1000}=frac1{200}$, the relative input error should be bounded by $frac{1}{400}$, and indeed $frac1{400}cdot 17.8412approx 0.0446$.






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        In part 3 you are asked about four items: $x$, $f(x)$, $epsilon$, and $delta$. Your answer omits these. To make it clear:




        • The independent variable $x$ here is the radius $r$ of the disk

        • The function $f$ maps radius to area, i.e., $rmapsto pi r^2$. In other words, $f(x)=pi x^2$.

        • The given $epsilon$ is $5,text{cm}^2$

        • The corresponding (or rather: a suitable) value of $delta$ is the $approx 0.0446,text{cm}$ you found


        On a sidenote, we may observe that picking $delta$ such that $fracepsilondelta=f'(r_0)$ usually gives a good enough approximation. Indeed, for the problem at hand $f'(x)=2pi x$, so we quickly obtain $delta=frac{epsilon}{2pi r_0}approx 0.0446$.
        Things become even easier with relative errors: Raising to $n$th power multiplies (small) relative errors by $n$. Hence for a desired relative output error of $frac 5{1000}=frac1{200}$, the relative input error should be bounded by $frac{1}{400}$, and indeed $frac1{400}cdot 17.8412approx 0.0446$.






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        In part 3 you are asked about four items: $x$, $f(x)$, $epsilon$, and $delta$. Your answer omits these. To make it clear:




        • The independent variable $x$ here is the radius $r$ of the disk

        • The function $f$ maps radius to area, i.e., $rmapsto pi r^2$. In other words, $f(x)=pi x^2$.

        • The given $epsilon$ is $5,text{cm}^2$

        • The corresponding (or rather: a suitable) value of $delta$ is the $approx 0.0446,text{cm}$ you found


        On a sidenote, we may observe that picking $delta$ such that $fracepsilondelta=f'(r_0)$ usually gives a good enough approximation. Indeed, for the problem at hand $f'(x)=2pi x$, so we quickly obtain $delta=frac{epsilon}{2pi r_0}approx 0.0446$.
        Things become even easier with relative errors: Raising to $n$th power multiplies (small) relative errors by $n$. Hence for a desired relative output error of $frac 5{1000}=frac1{200}$, the relative input error should be bounded by $frac{1}{400}$, and indeed $frac1{400}cdot 17.8412approx 0.0446$.







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