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I found that the concatenation in base 10 of $2^{541456}-1$ and $2^{541455}-1$, gives a probable prime.
I also found about number $541456$ that:



$$5cdot(5^2+4^2+1+4^2+5^2+6^2)=(5^3+4^3+1+4^3+5^3+6^3)$$



the equation $acdot(2cdot a^2+2cdot b^2+c^2+d^2)=(2cdot a^3+2cdot b^3+c^3+d^3)$ besides $a=5, b=4, c=6, d=1$ has other non trivial solutions with a,b,c,d positive integers?










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    Do you mean different values? If not, take $a=b=c=d=1$.
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    As a rough estimate based on the prime number theorem there ought to be about three $k$-digit numbers such that the base-ten concatenation of $2^{n+1}-1$ and $2^n-1$ is prime, for each $k$.
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    A suggestion: replace the two $d$'s in the equation you ask about with a $d^2$ on the left and a $d^3$ on the right.
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    Why not make this homogeneous on each side since $1=1^2=1^3$? This is equivalent to @BarryCipra's comment.
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    @Barry Cipra now i replaced as you suggested
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I found that the concatenation in base 10 of $2^{541456}-1$ and $2^{541455}-1$, gives a probable prime.
I also found about number $541456$ that:



$$5cdot(5^2+4^2+1+4^2+5^2+6^2)=(5^3+4^3+1+4^3+5^3+6^3)$$



the equation $acdot(2cdot a^2+2cdot b^2+c^2+d^2)=(2cdot a^3+2cdot b^3+c^3+d^3)$ besides $a=5, b=4, c=6, d=1$ has other non trivial solutions with a,b,c,d positive integers?










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    Do you mean different values? If not, take $a=b=c=d=1$.
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    – AugSB
    Jan 4 at 20:52










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    As a rough estimate based on the prime number theorem there ought to be about three $k$-digit numbers such that the base-ten concatenation of $2^{n+1}-1$ and $2^n-1$ is prime, for each $k$.
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    – Henning Makholm
    Jan 4 at 20:58






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    A suggestion: replace the two $d$'s in the equation you ask about with a $d^2$ on the left and a $d^3$ on the right.
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    Why not make this homogeneous on each side since $1=1^2=1^3$? This is equivalent to @BarryCipra's comment.
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    – Mark Bennet
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    @Barry Cipra now i replaced as you suggested
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    – user631751
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I found that the concatenation in base 10 of $2^{541456}-1$ and $2^{541455}-1$, gives a probable prime.
I also found about number $541456$ that:



$$5cdot(5^2+4^2+1+4^2+5^2+6^2)=(5^3+4^3+1+4^3+5^3+6^3)$$



the equation $acdot(2cdot a^2+2cdot b^2+c^2+d^2)=(2cdot a^3+2cdot b^3+c^3+d^3)$ besides $a=5, b=4, c=6, d=1$ has other non trivial solutions with a,b,c,d positive integers?










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I found that the concatenation in base 10 of $2^{541456}-1$ and $2^{541455}-1$, gives a probable prime.
I also found about number $541456$ that:



$$5cdot(5^2+4^2+1+4^2+5^2+6^2)=(5^3+4^3+1+4^3+5^3+6^3)$$



the equation $acdot(2cdot a^2+2cdot b^2+c^2+d^2)=(2cdot a^3+2cdot b^3+c^3+d^3)$ besides $a=5, b=4, c=6, d=1$ has other non trivial solutions with a,b,c,d positive integers?







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    Do you mean different values? If not, take $a=b=c=d=1$.
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    – AugSB
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    As a rough estimate based on the prime number theorem there ought to be about three $k$-digit numbers such that the base-ten concatenation of $2^{n+1}-1$ and $2^n-1$ is prime, for each $k$.
    $endgroup$
    – Henning Makholm
    Jan 4 at 20:58






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    $begingroup$
    A suggestion: replace the two $d$'s in the equation you ask about with a $d^2$ on the left and a $d^3$ on the right.
    $endgroup$
    – Barry Cipra
    Jan 4 at 21:08












  • $begingroup$
    Why not make this homogeneous on each side since $1=1^2=1^3$? This is equivalent to @BarryCipra's comment.
    $endgroup$
    – Mark Bennet
    Jan 4 at 21:13










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    @Barry Cipra now i replaced as you suggested
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    – user631751
    Jan 4 at 21:33


















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    Do you mean different values? If not, take $a=b=c=d=1$.
    $endgroup$
    – AugSB
    Jan 4 at 20:52










  • $begingroup$
    As a rough estimate based on the prime number theorem there ought to be about three $k$-digit numbers such that the base-ten concatenation of $2^{n+1}-1$ and $2^n-1$ is prime, for each $k$.
    $endgroup$
    – Henning Makholm
    Jan 4 at 20:58






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    A suggestion: replace the two $d$'s in the equation you ask about with a $d^2$ on the left and a $d^3$ on the right.
    $endgroup$
    – Barry Cipra
    Jan 4 at 21:08












  • $begingroup$
    Why not make this homogeneous on each side since $1=1^2=1^3$? This is equivalent to @BarryCipra's comment.
    $endgroup$
    – Mark Bennet
    Jan 4 at 21:13










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    @Barry Cipra now i replaced as you suggested
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    – user631751
    Jan 4 at 21:33
















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Do you mean different values? If not, take $a=b=c=d=1$.
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– AugSB
Jan 4 at 20:52




$begingroup$
Do you mean different values? If not, take $a=b=c=d=1$.
$endgroup$
– AugSB
Jan 4 at 20:52












$begingroup$
As a rough estimate based on the prime number theorem there ought to be about three $k$-digit numbers such that the base-ten concatenation of $2^{n+1}-1$ and $2^n-1$ is prime, for each $k$.
$endgroup$
– Henning Makholm
Jan 4 at 20:58




$begingroup$
As a rough estimate based on the prime number theorem there ought to be about three $k$-digit numbers such that the base-ten concatenation of $2^{n+1}-1$ and $2^n-1$ is prime, for each $k$.
$endgroup$
– Henning Makholm
Jan 4 at 20:58




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A suggestion: replace the two $d$'s in the equation you ask about with a $d^2$ on the left and a $d^3$ on the right.
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– Barry Cipra
Jan 4 at 21:08






$begingroup$
A suggestion: replace the two $d$'s in the equation you ask about with a $d^2$ on the left and a $d^3$ on the right.
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– Barry Cipra
Jan 4 at 21:08














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Why not make this homogeneous on each side since $1=1^2=1^3$? This is equivalent to @BarryCipra's comment.
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– Mark Bennet
Jan 4 at 21:13




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Why not make this homogeneous on each side since $1=1^2=1^3$? This is equivalent to @BarryCipra's comment.
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– Mark Bennet
Jan 4 at 21:13












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@Barry Cipra now i replaced as you suggested
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Your equation $a*(2*a^2+2*b^2+c^2+d)=(2*a^3+2*b^3+c^3+d)$ is equivalent to
$$2ab^2+ac^2+ad=2b^3+c^3+d$$
I find the below solutions assuming all of the variables are in the range $1$ to $9$. I just did a search.



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    Mllikan besides a=1, b=1, c=1, d=1, the only solution with d=1 seems to be a=5,b=4, c=6, d=1?
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    That is correct if you want $a,b,c,d$ to be nonzero digits. If you don't restrict the values to $9$ or below Eric Towers has more cases.
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    can you proof that?
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    I did a complete search in the space I described. That is a fine proof (assuming it is done correctly). There are only $9^4=6561$ cases to check
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This section of this Answer is responsive to the version of the Question which asked for positive integral solutions to $a (2 a^2 + 2 b^2 + c^2 + d^2) = (2 a^3 + 2 b^3 + c^3 + d^3)$.



Notice that $c$ and $d$ are interchangeable, so we may impose $c leq d$.



One way to look at this is $b,c,d geq 1$ and $a =frac{2 b^3 + c^3 + d^3}{2 b^2 + c^2 + d^2}$, when that is an integer. This leads to the question, does that ever happen? Yes. Notice if $b = c = d$, this is $a = (4b^3)/(4 b^2) = b$, so $a = b = c = d$ is a solution for any choice of $a$.



begin{align*}
&(a,b,c,d) & text{giving} \
&(4,4,4,4) & 384 \
&(5,5,5,5) & 750 \
end{align*}



Cylindrical algebraic decomposition with variable order $c, d, a, b$, gives five cylindrical components. Exhibiting an integer point in a component or showing that a component has no integer points is not easy.





  • $c geq 1$, $d geq 1$, $a = b = frac{c^3 + d^3}{c^2 + d^2}$, when this is an integer. The fraction is always an integer when $c = d$ and is sometimes an integer otherwise. Examples: $(1,1,1,1)$, $(9,9,5,10)$


  • $d geq c geq 1$, $a > frac{c^3 + d^3}{c^2 + d^2}$, and $b$ is the least real root of $2x^3 -2ax^2 -a(c^2 +d^2) +c^3 + d^3$. Examples: $(9,10,5,5)$, $(17,18,2,14)$, and $(251,255,51,251)$.


  • $d geq c geq 1$, $a$ is the least real root of $8x^3 + 27(c^2+d^2)x - 27(c^3+d^3)$, and $b$ is the middle root of $2 x^3 - 2 a x^2 -a(c^2 +d^2)+c^3+d^3$, when those roots are integers. Having exhausted my tools for determining whether this components has integral points, I am unable to find any or prove that there are none. (Taking intersections with CADs having different variable orders splits this component into pieces, for instance $a geq 2$, $b = 2 a/3$, $c = 2 a/3$, and $d$ is the least real root of $9 x^3 - 9 a x^2 - 4 a^3 = 0$. It's unclear whether that root is ever an integer for an integer $a$ divisible by $3$.


  • $d geq c geq 1$, $r$ is the least real root of $8x^3 + 27(c^2+d^2)x - 27(c^3+d^3)$, $r < a < frac{c^3 + d^3}{c^2 + d^2}$, and $b$ is the middle root of $2 x^3 - 2 a x^2 -a(c^2 +d^2)+c^3+d^3$, when this root is an integer. Examples: $(4,2,3,5)$ and $(5,2,2,6)$.


  • $d geq c geq 1$, $r$ is the least real root of $8x^3 + 27(c^2+d^2)x - 27(c^3+d^3)$, $r < a < frac{c^3 + d^3}{c^2 + d^2}$, and $b$ is the largest root of $2 x^3 - 2 a x^2 -a(c^2 +d^2)+c^3+d^3$, when this root is an integer. Examples: $(5,4,1,6)$ and $(17,15,5,20)$.




The below is responsive to the first version of the Question, which asked for positive integral solutions to $a (2 a^2 + 2 b^2 + c^2 + d) = (2 a^3 + 2 b^3 + c^3 + d)$.



Well, $a = b = c = d = 1$ is pretty obvious, giving $6$ on both sides.



One infinite family is $a=b=c = 1$, $d$ any positive integer, giving $d+5$. There don't seem to be more with $a = 1$, but I don't know how to prove that.



Here are eight more.
begin{align*}
&(a,b,c,d) & text{giving} \
&(2, 1, 7, 243) & 604 \
&(2, 1, 100, 979998) & 1980016 \
&(2, 2, 8, 384) & 928 \
&(2, 2, 68, 305184) & 619648 \
&(2, 3, 19, 6155) & 13084 \
&(2, 41, 1, 131117) & 268976 \
&(2, 41, 26, 147342) & 302776 \
&(2, 41, 27, 149343) & 306884
end{align*}



Cylindrical algebraic decomposition, using the variable ordering $b,c,a,d$ of your equation gives three solution families:





  • $a = b = c = 1$ and $d geq 1$, e.g., $(1,1,1,1)$ and $(1,1,1,108)$.


  • $b = 1$, $c geq 2$, $1 < a < frac{c^3+2}{c^2+2}$, $d = frac{c^3 - a c^2 - 2a + 2}{a-1}$, when $d$ is an integer, e.g., $(2,1,3,7)$ and $(109,1,126,2497)$.


  • $b geq 2$, $c geq 1$, $1 < a < frac{c^3+2b^3}{c^2+2b^2}$, $d = frac{c^4 - a c^2 + 2 b^3-2ab^2}{a-1}$, when $d$ is an integer, e.g., $(5,2,6,3)$ and $(3,3,100,485,000)$.


(The variable ordering $a,b,c,d$ gives more families, some of which appear to be empty, and most of which require bounds on $b$ and $c$ that are somewhat complicated algebraic functions of the prior variables. The previous version(s) of this answer used that ordering, but the new ordering is used to aid readability.)






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    what if $aneq bneq cneq d$?
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    they should be infinite
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    no no ok thank you!
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    @EnzoCreti : Even stronger: $|{a,b,c,d}| = 4$. $(4,2,3,5)$.
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An obvious solution lies where a,b,c,d all equal 1 as:
$$1cdot(2cdot1^2+2cdot1^2+1^2+1) = (2cdot1^3+2cdot1^3+1^3+1)$$






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    this seems a trivial solution
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Your equation $a*(2*a^2+2*b^2+c^2+d)=(2*a^3+2*b^3+c^3+d)$ is equivalent to
$$2ab^2+ac^2+ad=2b^3+c^3+d$$
I find the below solutions assuming all of the variables are in the range $1$ to $9$. I just did a search.



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    Mllikan besides a=1, b=1, c=1, d=1, the only solution with d=1 seems to be a=5,b=4, c=6, d=1?
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    That is correct if you want $a,b,c,d$ to be nonzero digits. If you don't restrict the values to $9$ or below Eric Towers has more cases.
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    can you proof that?
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    I did a complete search in the space I described. That is a fine proof (assuming it is done correctly). There are only $9^4=6561$ cases to check
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Your equation $a*(2*a^2+2*b^2+c^2+d)=(2*a^3+2*b^3+c^3+d)$ is equivalent to
$$2ab^2+ac^2+ad=2b^3+c^3+d$$
I find the below solutions assuming all of the variables are in the range $1$ to $9$. I just did a search.



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    Mllikan besides a=1, b=1, c=1, d=1, the only solution with d=1 seems to be a=5,b=4, c=6, d=1?
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    That is correct if you want $a,b,c,d$ to be nonzero digits. If you don't restrict the values to $9$ or below Eric Towers has more cases.
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    – Ross Millikan
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    can you proof that?
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    I did a complete search in the space I described. That is a fine proof (assuming it is done correctly). There are only $9^4=6561$ cases to check
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Your equation $a*(2*a^2+2*b^2+c^2+d)=(2*a^3+2*b^3+c^3+d)$ is equivalent to
$$2ab^2+ac^2+ad=2b^3+c^3+d$$
I find the below solutions assuming all of the variables are in the range $1$ to $9$. I just did a search.



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Your equation $a*(2*a^2+2*b^2+c^2+d)=(2*a^3+2*b^3+c^3+d)$ is equivalent to
$$2ab^2+ac^2+ad=2b^3+c^3+d$$
I find the below solutions assuming all of the variables are in the range $1$ to $9$. I just did a search.



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    Mllikan besides a=1, b=1, c=1, d=1, the only solution with d=1 seems to be a=5,b=4, c=6, d=1?
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    That is correct if you want $a,b,c,d$ to be nonzero digits. If you don't restrict the values to $9$ or below Eric Towers has more cases.
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    can you proof that?
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    I did a complete search in the space I described. That is a fine proof (assuming it is done correctly). There are only $9^4=6561$ cases to check
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    Mllikan besides a=1, b=1, c=1, d=1, the only solution with d=1 seems to be a=5,b=4, c=6, d=1?
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    Jan 4 at 22:05












  • $begingroup$
    That is correct if you want $a,b,c,d$ to be nonzero digits. If you don't restrict the values to $9$ or below Eric Towers has more cases.
    $endgroup$
    – Ross Millikan
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    can you proof that?
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  • $begingroup$
    I did a complete search in the space I described. That is a fine proof (assuming it is done correctly). There are only $9^4=6561$ cases to check
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Mllikan besides a=1, b=1, c=1, d=1, the only solution with d=1 seems to be a=5,b=4, c=6, d=1?
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Jan 4 at 22:05






$begingroup$
Mllikan besides a=1, b=1, c=1, d=1, the only solution with d=1 seems to be a=5,b=4, c=6, d=1?
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$begingroup$
That is correct if you want $a,b,c,d$ to be nonzero digits. If you don't restrict the values to $9$ or below Eric Towers has more cases.
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– Ross Millikan
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$begingroup$
That is correct if you want $a,b,c,d$ to be nonzero digits. If you don't restrict the values to $9$ or below Eric Towers has more cases.
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can you proof that?
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can you proof that?
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I did a complete search in the space I described. That is a fine proof (assuming it is done correctly). There are only $9^4=6561$ cases to check
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– Ross Millikan
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I did a complete search in the space I described. That is a fine proof (assuming it is done correctly). There are only $9^4=6561$ cases to check
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This section of this Answer is responsive to the version of the Question which asked for positive integral solutions to $a (2 a^2 + 2 b^2 + c^2 + d^2) = (2 a^3 + 2 b^3 + c^3 + d^3)$.



Notice that $c$ and $d$ are interchangeable, so we may impose $c leq d$.



One way to look at this is $b,c,d geq 1$ and $a =frac{2 b^3 + c^3 + d^3}{2 b^2 + c^2 + d^2}$, when that is an integer. This leads to the question, does that ever happen? Yes. Notice if $b = c = d$, this is $a = (4b^3)/(4 b^2) = b$, so $a = b = c = d$ is a solution for any choice of $a$.



begin{align*}
&(a,b,c,d) & text{giving} \
&(4,4,4,4) & 384 \
&(5,5,5,5) & 750 \
end{align*}



Cylindrical algebraic decomposition with variable order $c, d, a, b$, gives five cylindrical components. Exhibiting an integer point in a component or showing that a component has no integer points is not easy.





  • $c geq 1$, $d geq 1$, $a = b = frac{c^3 + d^3}{c^2 + d^2}$, when this is an integer. The fraction is always an integer when $c = d$ and is sometimes an integer otherwise. Examples: $(1,1,1,1)$, $(9,9,5,10)$


  • $d geq c geq 1$, $a > frac{c^3 + d^3}{c^2 + d^2}$, and $b$ is the least real root of $2x^3 -2ax^2 -a(c^2 +d^2) +c^3 + d^3$. Examples: $(9,10,5,5)$, $(17,18,2,14)$, and $(251,255,51,251)$.


  • $d geq c geq 1$, $a$ is the least real root of $8x^3 + 27(c^2+d^2)x - 27(c^3+d^3)$, and $b$ is the middle root of $2 x^3 - 2 a x^2 -a(c^2 +d^2)+c^3+d^3$, when those roots are integers. Having exhausted my tools for determining whether this components has integral points, I am unable to find any or prove that there are none. (Taking intersections with CADs having different variable orders splits this component into pieces, for instance $a geq 2$, $b = 2 a/3$, $c = 2 a/3$, and $d$ is the least real root of $9 x^3 - 9 a x^2 - 4 a^3 = 0$. It's unclear whether that root is ever an integer for an integer $a$ divisible by $3$.


  • $d geq c geq 1$, $r$ is the least real root of $8x^3 + 27(c^2+d^2)x - 27(c^3+d^3)$, $r < a < frac{c^3 + d^3}{c^2 + d^2}$, and $b$ is the middle root of $2 x^3 - 2 a x^2 -a(c^2 +d^2)+c^3+d^3$, when this root is an integer. Examples: $(4,2,3,5)$ and $(5,2,2,6)$.


  • $d geq c geq 1$, $r$ is the least real root of $8x^3 + 27(c^2+d^2)x - 27(c^3+d^3)$, $r < a < frac{c^3 + d^3}{c^2 + d^2}$, and $b$ is the largest root of $2 x^3 - 2 a x^2 -a(c^2 +d^2)+c^3+d^3$, when this root is an integer. Examples: $(5,4,1,6)$ and $(17,15,5,20)$.




The below is responsive to the first version of the Question, which asked for positive integral solutions to $a (2 a^2 + 2 b^2 + c^2 + d) = (2 a^3 + 2 b^3 + c^3 + d)$.



Well, $a = b = c = d = 1$ is pretty obvious, giving $6$ on both sides.



One infinite family is $a=b=c = 1$, $d$ any positive integer, giving $d+5$. There don't seem to be more with $a = 1$, but I don't know how to prove that.



Here are eight more.
begin{align*}
&(a,b,c,d) & text{giving} \
&(2, 1, 7, 243) & 604 \
&(2, 1, 100, 979998) & 1980016 \
&(2, 2, 8, 384) & 928 \
&(2, 2, 68, 305184) & 619648 \
&(2, 3, 19, 6155) & 13084 \
&(2, 41, 1, 131117) & 268976 \
&(2, 41, 26, 147342) & 302776 \
&(2, 41, 27, 149343) & 306884
end{align*}



Cylindrical algebraic decomposition, using the variable ordering $b,c,a,d$ of your equation gives three solution families:





  • $a = b = c = 1$ and $d geq 1$, e.g., $(1,1,1,1)$ and $(1,1,1,108)$.


  • $b = 1$, $c geq 2$, $1 < a < frac{c^3+2}{c^2+2}$, $d = frac{c^3 - a c^2 - 2a + 2}{a-1}$, when $d$ is an integer, e.g., $(2,1,3,7)$ and $(109,1,126,2497)$.


  • $b geq 2$, $c geq 1$, $1 < a < frac{c^3+2b^3}{c^2+2b^2}$, $d = frac{c^4 - a c^2 + 2 b^3-2ab^2}{a-1}$, when $d$ is an integer, e.g., $(5,2,6,3)$ and $(3,3,100,485,000)$.


(The variable ordering $a,b,c,d$ gives more families, some of which appear to be empty, and most of which require bounds on $b$ and $c$ that are somewhat complicated algebraic functions of the prior variables. The previous version(s) of this answer used that ordering, but the new ordering is used to aid readability.)






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    what if $aneq bneq cneq d$?
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    they should be infinite
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    no no ok thank you!
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    @EnzoCreti : Even stronger: $|{a,b,c,d}| = 4$. $(4,2,3,5)$.
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This section of this Answer is responsive to the version of the Question which asked for positive integral solutions to $a (2 a^2 + 2 b^2 + c^2 + d^2) = (2 a^3 + 2 b^3 + c^3 + d^3)$.



Notice that $c$ and $d$ are interchangeable, so we may impose $c leq d$.



One way to look at this is $b,c,d geq 1$ and $a =frac{2 b^3 + c^3 + d^3}{2 b^2 + c^2 + d^2}$, when that is an integer. This leads to the question, does that ever happen? Yes. Notice if $b = c = d$, this is $a = (4b^3)/(4 b^2) = b$, so $a = b = c = d$ is a solution for any choice of $a$.



begin{align*}
&(a,b,c,d) & text{giving} \
&(4,4,4,4) & 384 \
&(5,5,5,5) & 750 \
end{align*}



Cylindrical algebraic decomposition with variable order $c, d, a, b$, gives five cylindrical components. Exhibiting an integer point in a component or showing that a component has no integer points is not easy.





  • $c geq 1$, $d geq 1$, $a = b = frac{c^3 + d^3}{c^2 + d^2}$, when this is an integer. The fraction is always an integer when $c = d$ and is sometimes an integer otherwise. Examples: $(1,1,1,1)$, $(9,9,5,10)$


  • $d geq c geq 1$, $a > frac{c^3 + d^3}{c^2 + d^2}$, and $b$ is the least real root of $2x^3 -2ax^2 -a(c^2 +d^2) +c^3 + d^3$. Examples: $(9,10,5,5)$, $(17,18,2,14)$, and $(251,255,51,251)$.


  • $d geq c geq 1$, $a$ is the least real root of $8x^3 + 27(c^2+d^2)x - 27(c^3+d^3)$, and $b$ is the middle root of $2 x^3 - 2 a x^2 -a(c^2 +d^2)+c^3+d^3$, when those roots are integers. Having exhausted my tools for determining whether this components has integral points, I am unable to find any or prove that there are none. (Taking intersections with CADs having different variable orders splits this component into pieces, for instance $a geq 2$, $b = 2 a/3$, $c = 2 a/3$, and $d$ is the least real root of $9 x^3 - 9 a x^2 - 4 a^3 = 0$. It's unclear whether that root is ever an integer for an integer $a$ divisible by $3$.


  • $d geq c geq 1$, $r$ is the least real root of $8x^3 + 27(c^2+d^2)x - 27(c^3+d^3)$, $r < a < frac{c^3 + d^3}{c^2 + d^2}$, and $b$ is the middle root of $2 x^3 - 2 a x^2 -a(c^2 +d^2)+c^3+d^3$, when this root is an integer. Examples: $(4,2,3,5)$ and $(5,2,2,6)$.


  • $d geq c geq 1$, $r$ is the least real root of $8x^3 + 27(c^2+d^2)x - 27(c^3+d^3)$, $r < a < frac{c^3 + d^3}{c^2 + d^2}$, and $b$ is the largest root of $2 x^3 - 2 a x^2 -a(c^2 +d^2)+c^3+d^3$, when this root is an integer. Examples: $(5,4,1,6)$ and $(17,15,5,20)$.




The below is responsive to the first version of the Question, which asked for positive integral solutions to $a (2 a^2 + 2 b^2 + c^2 + d) = (2 a^3 + 2 b^3 + c^3 + d)$.



Well, $a = b = c = d = 1$ is pretty obvious, giving $6$ on both sides.



One infinite family is $a=b=c = 1$, $d$ any positive integer, giving $d+5$. There don't seem to be more with $a = 1$, but I don't know how to prove that.



Here are eight more.
begin{align*}
&(a,b,c,d) & text{giving} \
&(2, 1, 7, 243) & 604 \
&(2, 1, 100, 979998) & 1980016 \
&(2, 2, 8, 384) & 928 \
&(2, 2, 68, 305184) & 619648 \
&(2, 3, 19, 6155) & 13084 \
&(2, 41, 1, 131117) & 268976 \
&(2, 41, 26, 147342) & 302776 \
&(2, 41, 27, 149343) & 306884
end{align*}



Cylindrical algebraic decomposition, using the variable ordering $b,c,a,d$ of your equation gives three solution families:





  • $a = b = c = 1$ and $d geq 1$, e.g., $(1,1,1,1)$ and $(1,1,1,108)$.


  • $b = 1$, $c geq 2$, $1 < a < frac{c^3+2}{c^2+2}$, $d = frac{c^3 - a c^2 - 2a + 2}{a-1}$, when $d$ is an integer, e.g., $(2,1,3,7)$ and $(109,1,126,2497)$.


  • $b geq 2$, $c geq 1$, $1 < a < frac{c^3+2b^3}{c^2+2b^2}$, $d = frac{c^4 - a c^2 + 2 b^3-2ab^2}{a-1}$, when $d$ is an integer, e.g., $(5,2,6,3)$ and $(3,3,100,485,000)$.


(The variable ordering $a,b,c,d$ gives more families, some of which appear to be empty, and most of which require bounds on $b$ and $c$ that are somewhat complicated algebraic functions of the prior variables. The previous version(s) of this answer used that ordering, but the new ordering is used to aid readability.)






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    what if $aneq bneq cneq d$?
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    they should be infinite
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    – Enzo Creti
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    no no ok thank you!
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    – Enzo Creti
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    @EnzoCreti : Even stronger: $|{a,b,c,d}| = 4$. $(4,2,3,5)$.
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This section of this Answer is responsive to the version of the Question which asked for positive integral solutions to $a (2 a^2 + 2 b^2 + c^2 + d^2) = (2 a^3 + 2 b^3 + c^3 + d^3)$.



Notice that $c$ and $d$ are interchangeable, so we may impose $c leq d$.



One way to look at this is $b,c,d geq 1$ and $a =frac{2 b^3 + c^3 + d^3}{2 b^2 + c^2 + d^2}$, when that is an integer. This leads to the question, does that ever happen? Yes. Notice if $b = c = d$, this is $a = (4b^3)/(4 b^2) = b$, so $a = b = c = d$ is a solution for any choice of $a$.



begin{align*}
&(a,b,c,d) & text{giving} \
&(4,4,4,4) & 384 \
&(5,5,5,5) & 750 \
end{align*}



Cylindrical algebraic decomposition with variable order $c, d, a, b$, gives five cylindrical components. Exhibiting an integer point in a component or showing that a component has no integer points is not easy.





  • $c geq 1$, $d geq 1$, $a = b = frac{c^3 + d^3}{c^2 + d^2}$, when this is an integer. The fraction is always an integer when $c = d$ and is sometimes an integer otherwise. Examples: $(1,1,1,1)$, $(9,9,5,10)$


  • $d geq c geq 1$, $a > frac{c^3 + d^3}{c^2 + d^2}$, and $b$ is the least real root of $2x^3 -2ax^2 -a(c^2 +d^2) +c^3 + d^3$. Examples: $(9,10,5,5)$, $(17,18,2,14)$, and $(251,255,51,251)$.


  • $d geq c geq 1$, $a$ is the least real root of $8x^3 + 27(c^2+d^2)x - 27(c^3+d^3)$, and $b$ is the middle root of $2 x^3 - 2 a x^2 -a(c^2 +d^2)+c^3+d^3$, when those roots are integers. Having exhausted my tools for determining whether this components has integral points, I am unable to find any or prove that there are none. (Taking intersections with CADs having different variable orders splits this component into pieces, for instance $a geq 2$, $b = 2 a/3$, $c = 2 a/3$, and $d$ is the least real root of $9 x^3 - 9 a x^2 - 4 a^3 = 0$. It's unclear whether that root is ever an integer for an integer $a$ divisible by $3$.


  • $d geq c geq 1$, $r$ is the least real root of $8x^3 + 27(c^2+d^2)x - 27(c^3+d^3)$, $r < a < frac{c^3 + d^3}{c^2 + d^2}$, and $b$ is the middle root of $2 x^3 - 2 a x^2 -a(c^2 +d^2)+c^3+d^3$, when this root is an integer. Examples: $(4,2,3,5)$ and $(5,2,2,6)$.


  • $d geq c geq 1$, $r$ is the least real root of $8x^3 + 27(c^2+d^2)x - 27(c^3+d^3)$, $r < a < frac{c^3 + d^3}{c^2 + d^2}$, and $b$ is the largest root of $2 x^3 - 2 a x^2 -a(c^2 +d^2)+c^3+d^3$, when this root is an integer. Examples: $(5,4,1,6)$ and $(17,15,5,20)$.




The below is responsive to the first version of the Question, which asked for positive integral solutions to $a (2 a^2 + 2 b^2 + c^2 + d) = (2 a^3 + 2 b^3 + c^3 + d)$.



Well, $a = b = c = d = 1$ is pretty obvious, giving $6$ on both sides.



One infinite family is $a=b=c = 1$, $d$ any positive integer, giving $d+5$. There don't seem to be more with $a = 1$, but I don't know how to prove that.



Here are eight more.
begin{align*}
&(a,b,c,d) & text{giving} \
&(2, 1, 7, 243) & 604 \
&(2, 1, 100, 979998) & 1980016 \
&(2, 2, 8, 384) & 928 \
&(2, 2, 68, 305184) & 619648 \
&(2, 3, 19, 6155) & 13084 \
&(2, 41, 1, 131117) & 268976 \
&(2, 41, 26, 147342) & 302776 \
&(2, 41, 27, 149343) & 306884
end{align*}



Cylindrical algebraic decomposition, using the variable ordering $b,c,a,d$ of your equation gives three solution families:





  • $a = b = c = 1$ and $d geq 1$, e.g., $(1,1,1,1)$ and $(1,1,1,108)$.


  • $b = 1$, $c geq 2$, $1 < a < frac{c^3+2}{c^2+2}$, $d = frac{c^3 - a c^2 - 2a + 2}{a-1}$, when $d$ is an integer, e.g., $(2,1,3,7)$ and $(109,1,126,2497)$.


  • $b geq 2$, $c geq 1$, $1 < a < frac{c^3+2b^3}{c^2+2b^2}$, $d = frac{c^4 - a c^2 + 2 b^3-2ab^2}{a-1}$, when $d$ is an integer, e.g., $(5,2,6,3)$ and $(3,3,100,485,000)$.


(The variable ordering $a,b,c,d$ gives more families, some of which appear to be empty, and most of which require bounds on $b$ and $c$ that are somewhat complicated algebraic functions of the prior variables. The previous version(s) of this answer used that ordering, but the new ordering is used to aid readability.)






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This section of this Answer is responsive to the version of the Question which asked for positive integral solutions to $a (2 a^2 + 2 b^2 + c^2 + d^2) = (2 a^3 + 2 b^3 + c^3 + d^3)$.



Notice that $c$ and $d$ are interchangeable, so we may impose $c leq d$.



One way to look at this is $b,c,d geq 1$ and $a =frac{2 b^3 + c^3 + d^3}{2 b^2 + c^2 + d^2}$, when that is an integer. This leads to the question, does that ever happen? Yes. Notice if $b = c = d$, this is $a = (4b^3)/(4 b^2) = b$, so $a = b = c = d$ is a solution for any choice of $a$.



begin{align*}
&(a,b,c,d) & text{giving} \
&(4,4,4,4) & 384 \
&(5,5,5,5) & 750 \
end{align*}



Cylindrical algebraic decomposition with variable order $c, d, a, b$, gives five cylindrical components. Exhibiting an integer point in a component or showing that a component has no integer points is not easy.





  • $c geq 1$, $d geq 1$, $a = b = frac{c^3 + d^3}{c^2 + d^2}$, when this is an integer. The fraction is always an integer when $c = d$ and is sometimes an integer otherwise. Examples: $(1,1,1,1)$, $(9,9,5,10)$


  • $d geq c geq 1$, $a > frac{c^3 + d^3}{c^2 + d^2}$, and $b$ is the least real root of $2x^3 -2ax^2 -a(c^2 +d^2) +c^3 + d^3$. Examples: $(9,10,5,5)$, $(17,18,2,14)$, and $(251,255,51,251)$.


  • $d geq c geq 1$, $a$ is the least real root of $8x^3 + 27(c^2+d^2)x - 27(c^3+d^3)$, and $b$ is the middle root of $2 x^3 - 2 a x^2 -a(c^2 +d^2)+c^3+d^3$, when those roots are integers. Having exhausted my tools for determining whether this components has integral points, I am unable to find any or prove that there are none. (Taking intersections with CADs having different variable orders splits this component into pieces, for instance $a geq 2$, $b = 2 a/3$, $c = 2 a/3$, and $d$ is the least real root of $9 x^3 - 9 a x^2 - 4 a^3 = 0$. It's unclear whether that root is ever an integer for an integer $a$ divisible by $3$.


  • $d geq c geq 1$, $r$ is the least real root of $8x^3 + 27(c^2+d^2)x - 27(c^3+d^3)$, $r < a < frac{c^3 + d^3}{c^2 + d^2}$, and $b$ is the middle root of $2 x^3 - 2 a x^2 -a(c^2 +d^2)+c^3+d^3$, when this root is an integer. Examples: $(4,2,3,5)$ and $(5,2,2,6)$.


  • $d geq c geq 1$, $r$ is the least real root of $8x^3 + 27(c^2+d^2)x - 27(c^3+d^3)$, $r < a < frac{c^3 + d^3}{c^2 + d^2}$, and $b$ is the largest root of $2 x^3 - 2 a x^2 -a(c^2 +d^2)+c^3+d^3$, when this root is an integer. Examples: $(5,4,1,6)$ and $(17,15,5,20)$.




The below is responsive to the first version of the Question, which asked for positive integral solutions to $a (2 a^2 + 2 b^2 + c^2 + d) = (2 a^3 + 2 b^3 + c^3 + d)$.



Well, $a = b = c = d = 1$ is pretty obvious, giving $6$ on both sides.



One infinite family is $a=b=c = 1$, $d$ any positive integer, giving $d+5$. There don't seem to be more with $a = 1$, but I don't know how to prove that.



Here are eight more.
begin{align*}
&(a,b,c,d) & text{giving} \
&(2, 1, 7, 243) & 604 \
&(2, 1, 100, 979998) & 1980016 \
&(2, 2, 8, 384) & 928 \
&(2, 2, 68, 305184) & 619648 \
&(2, 3, 19, 6155) & 13084 \
&(2, 41, 1, 131117) & 268976 \
&(2, 41, 26, 147342) & 302776 \
&(2, 41, 27, 149343) & 306884
end{align*}



Cylindrical algebraic decomposition, using the variable ordering $b,c,a,d$ of your equation gives three solution families:





  • $a = b = c = 1$ and $d geq 1$, e.g., $(1,1,1,1)$ and $(1,1,1,108)$.


  • $b = 1$, $c geq 2$, $1 < a < frac{c^3+2}{c^2+2}$, $d = frac{c^3 - a c^2 - 2a + 2}{a-1}$, when $d$ is an integer, e.g., $(2,1,3,7)$ and $(109,1,126,2497)$.


  • $b geq 2$, $c geq 1$, $1 < a < frac{c^3+2b^3}{c^2+2b^2}$, $d = frac{c^4 - a c^2 + 2 b^3-2ab^2}{a-1}$, when $d$ is an integer, e.g., $(5,2,6,3)$ and $(3,3,100,485,000)$.


(The variable ordering $a,b,c,d$ gives more families, some of which appear to be empty, and most of which require bounds on $b$ and $c$ that are somewhat complicated algebraic functions of the prior variables. The previous version(s) of this answer used that ordering, but the new ordering is used to aid readability.)







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    what if $aneq bneq cneq d$?
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    – Enzo Creti
    Jan 5 at 19:12










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    they should be infinite
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    – Enzo Creti
    Jan 5 at 20:37












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    no no ok thank you!
    $endgroup$
    – Enzo Creti
    Jan 5 at 20:40










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    @EnzoCreti : Even stronger: $|{a,b,c,d}| = 4$. $(4,2,3,5)$.
    $endgroup$
    – Eric Towers
    Jan 6 at 7:04


















  • $begingroup$
    what if $aneq bneq cneq d$?
    $endgroup$
    – Enzo Creti
    Jan 5 at 19:12










  • $begingroup$
    they should be infinite
    $endgroup$
    – Enzo Creti
    Jan 5 at 20:37












  • $begingroup$
    no no ok thank you!
    $endgroup$
    – Enzo Creti
    Jan 5 at 20:40










  • $begingroup$
    @EnzoCreti : Even stronger: $|{a,b,c,d}| = 4$. $(4,2,3,5)$.
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    – Eric Towers
    Jan 6 at 7:04
















$begingroup$
what if $aneq bneq cneq d$?
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– Enzo Creti
Jan 5 at 19:12




$begingroup$
what if $aneq bneq cneq d$?
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– Enzo Creti
Jan 5 at 19:12












$begingroup$
they should be infinite
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– Enzo Creti
Jan 5 at 20:37






$begingroup$
they should be infinite
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– Enzo Creti
Jan 5 at 20:37














$begingroup$
no no ok thank you!
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– Enzo Creti
Jan 5 at 20:40




$begingroup$
no no ok thank you!
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– Enzo Creti
Jan 5 at 20:40












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@EnzoCreti : Even stronger: $|{a,b,c,d}| = 4$. $(4,2,3,5)$.
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– Eric Towers
Jan 6 at 7:04




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@EnzoCreti : Even stronger: $|{a,b,c,d}| = 4$. $(4,2,3,5)$.
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An obvious solution lies where a,b,c,d all equal 1 as:
$$1cdot(2cdot1^2+2cdot1^2+1^2+1) = (2cdot1^3+2cdot1^3+1^3+1)$$






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$begingroup$

An obvious solution lies where a,b,c,d all equal 1 as:
$$1cdot(2cdot1^2+2cdot1^2+1^2+1) = (2cdot1^3+2cdot1^3+1^3+1)$$






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$begingroup$

An obvious solution lies where a,b,c,d all equal 1 as:
$$1cdot(2cdot1^2+2cdot1^2+1^2+1) = (2cdot1^3+2cdot1^3+1^3+1)$$






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An obvious solution lies where a,b,c,d all equal 1 as:
$$1cdot(2cdot1^2+2cdot1^2+1^2+1) = (2cdot1^3+2cdot1^3+1^3+1)$$







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answered Jan 4 at 20:56









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$begingroup$
this seems a trivial solution
$endgroup$
– user631751
Jan 4 at 20:58




$begingroup$
this seems a trivial solution
$endgroup$
– user631751
Jan 4 at 20:58


















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