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In the official solution of an university exam I see the following question:



Given the base vectors



$$ B = { begin{pmatrix}
-1 \
1
end{pmatrix} , begin{pmatrix}
1 \
1
end{pmatrix} } $$



and a second set of base vectors:
$$ B^* = { begin{pmatrix}
1 \
2
end{pmatrix} , begin{pmatrix}
2 \
3
end{pmatrix} } $$



give the equations of the change from B to B* basis and apply it to vector of components (3,-1) in B basis.



The official solution is:



$$ C(B,B^*) = begin{pmatrix}
-5 & 1 \
-3 & -1
end{pmatrix} $$



and vector in B* basis is (-16,-8)



The method has been to place side by side the two matrices and apply some row multiplication and additions till make diagonal first one.



This result surprises me. If I call T the matrix formed by the base vectors in B and $T^*$ the one for $B^*$, I think the result should be ${(T^*)}^{-1}T$, by the simple logic of first T to pass to cartesian coordinates and back to B^* with the inverse of its matrix. That gives me a result of:



$$ C(B,B^*) = begin{pmatrix}
5 & -1 \
-3 & 1
end{pmatrix} $$



and vector in B* equal to (16,-10).



Please, could you help me to known which one is the correct solution?










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    In the official solution of an university exam I see the following question:



    Given the base vectors



    $$ B = { begin{pmatrix}
    -1 \
    1
    end{pmatrix} , begin{pmatrix}
    1 \
    1
    end{pmatrix} } $$



    and a second set of base vectors:
    $$ B^* = { begin{pmatrix}
    1 \
    2
    end{pmatrix} , begin{pmatrix}
    2 \
    3
    end{pmatrix} } $$



    give the equations of the change from B to B* basis and apply it to vector of components (3,-1) in B basis.



    The official solution is:



    $$ C(B,B^*) = begin{pmatrix}
    -5 & 1 \
    -3 & -1
    end{pmatrix} $$



    and vector in B* basis is (-16,-8)



    The method has been to place side by side the two matrices and apply some row multiplication and additions till make diagonal first one.



    This result surprises me. If I call T the matrix formed by the base vectors in B and $T^*$ the one for $B^*$, I think the result should be ${(T^*)}^{-1}T$, by the simple logic of first T to pass to cartesian coordinates and back to B^* with the inverse of its matrix. That gives me a result of:



    $$ C(B,B^*) = begin{pmatrix}
    5 & -1 \
    -3 & 1
    end{pmatrix} $$



    and vector in B* equal to (16,-10).



    Please, could you help me to known which one is the correct solution?










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      In the official solution of an university exam I see the following question:



      Given the base vectors



      $$ B = { begin{pmatrix}
      -1 \
      1
      end{pmatrix} , begin{pmatrix}
      1 \
      1
      end{pmatrix} } $$



      and a second set of base vectors:
      $$ B^* = { begin{pmatrix}
      1 \
      2
      end{pmatrix} , begin{pmatrix}
      2 \
      3
      end{pmatrix} } $$



      give the equations of the change from B to B* basis and apply it to vector of components (3,-1) in B basis.



      The official solution is:



      $$ C(B,B^*) = begin{pmatrix}
      -5 & 1 \
      -3 & -1
      end{pmatrix} $$



      and vector in B* basis is (-16,-8)



      The method has been to place side by side the two matrices and apply some row multiplication and additions till make diagonal first one.



      This result surprises me. If I call T the matrix formed by the base vectors in B and $T^*$ the one for $B^*$, I think the result should be ${(T^*)}^{-1}T$, by the simple logic of first T to pass to cartesian coordinates and back to B^* with the inverse of its matrix. That gives me a result of:



      $$ C(B,B^*) = begin{pmatrix}
      5 & -1 \
      -3 & 1
      end{pmatrix} $$



      and vector in B* equal to (16,-10).



      Please, could you help me to known which one is the correct solution?










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      In the official solution of an university exam I see the following question:



      Given the base vectors



      $$ B = { begin{pmatrix}
      -1 \
      1
      end{pmatrix} , begin{pmatrix}
      1 \
      1
      end{pmatrix} } $$



      and a second set of base vectors:
      $$ B^* = { begin{pmatrix}
      1 \
      2
      end{pmatrix} , begin{pmatrix}
      2 \
      3
      end{pmatrix} } $$



      give the equations of the change from B to B* basis and apply it to vector of components (3,-1) in B basis.



      The official solution is:



      $$ C(B,B^*) = begin{pmatrix}
      -5 & 1 \
      -3 & -1
      end{pmatrix} $$



      and vector in B* basis is (-16,-8)



      The method has been to place side by side the two matrices and apply some row multiplication and additions till make diagonal first one.



      This result surprises me. If I call T the matrix formed by the base vectors in B and $T^*$ the one for $B^*$, I think the result should be ${(T^*)}^{-1}T$, by the simple logic of first T to pass to cartesian coordinates and back to B^* with the inverse of its matrix. That gives me a result of:



      $$ C(B,B^*) = begin{pmatrix}
      5 & -1 \
      -3 & 1
      end{pmatrix} $$



      and vector in B* equal to (16,-10).



      Please, could you help me to known which one is the correct solution?







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          Your solution is correct. You can tell because the columns of the change of basis matrix should give the coordinates of the basis elements in $B$ in terms of the basis $B^{*}$.



          Indeed, we have
          $$begin{pmatrix}-1\ 1end{pmatrix}=5begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix}-3begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}$$
          and
          $$begin{pmatrix}1\ 1end{pmatrix}=-begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix}+begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}$$






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            You're right and the official solution is wrong.



            The vector with components $3$ and $-1$ with respect to $B$ is
            $$3begin{pmatrix}-1\1end{pmatrix} - 1begin{pmatrix}1\1end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-4\2end{pmatrix}$$
            in standard coordinates.



            The vector with components $-16$ and $-8$ with respect to $B^*$ is
            $$-16begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix} - 8begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-32\-56end{pmatrix}$$
            in standard coordinates - definitely not a match.



            The vector with components $16$ and $-10$ with respect to $B^*$ is
            $$16begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix} - 10begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-4\2end{pmatrix}$$
            in standard coordinates. Confirmed.






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              The method used in the solution is basically sound. As you say, the change-of-basis matrix should be $(T^*)^{-1}T$, which you can obtain by concatenating the two matrices and row-reducing: $$left[begin{array}{c|c} T^* & T end{array}right] to left[begin{array}{c|c} I & (T^*)^{-1}T end{array}right].$$ Comparing the correct and incorrect results, I would guess that a simple sign error was made somewhere along the way in the given solution.






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                Your solution is correct. You can tell because the columns of the change of basis matrix should give the coordinates of the basis elements in $B$ in terms of the basis $B^{*}$.



                Indeed, we have
                $$begin{pmatrix}-1\ 1end{pmatrix}=5begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix}-3begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}$$
                and
                $$begin{pmatrix}1\ 1end{pmatrix}=-begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix}+begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}$$






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                  $begingroup$

                  Your solution is correct. You can tell because the columns of the change of basis matrix should give the coordinates of the basis elements in $B$ in terms of the basis $B^{*}$.



                  Indeed, we have
                  $$begin{pmatrix}-1\ 1end{pmatrix}=5begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix}-3begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}$$
                  and
                  $$begin{pmatrix}1\ 1end{pmatrix}=-begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix}+begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}$$






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                    $begingroup$

                    Your solution is correct. You can tell because the columns of the change of basis matrix should give the coordinates of the basis elements in $B$ in terms of the basis $B^{*}$.



                    Indeed, we have
                    $$begin{pmatrix}-1\ 1end{pmatrix}=5begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix}-3begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}$$
                    and
                    $$begin{pmatrix}1\ 1end{pmatrix}=-begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix}+begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}$$






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                    Your solution is correct. You can tell because the columns of the change of basis matrix should give the coordinates of the basis elements in $B$ in terms of the basis $B^{*}$.



                    Indeed, we have
                    $$begin{pmatrix}-1\ 1end{pmatrix}=5begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix}-3begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}$$
                    and
                    $$begin{pmatrix}1\ 1end{pmatrix}=-begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix}+begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}$$







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                        You're right and the official solution is wrong.



                        The vector with components $3$ and $-1$ with respect to $B$ is
                        $$3begin{pmatrix}-1\1end{pmatrix} - 1begin{pmatrix}1\1end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-4\2end{pmatrix}$$
                        in standard coordinates.



                        The vector with components $-16$ and $-8$ with respect to $B^*$ is
                        $$-16begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix} - 8begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-32\-56end{pmatrix}$$
                        in standard coordinates - definitely not a match.



                        The vector with components $16$ and $-10$ with respect to $B^*$ is
                        $$16begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix} - 10begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-4\2end{pmatrix}$$
                        in standard coordinates. Confirmed.






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                          You're right and the official solution is wrong.



                          The vector with components $3$ and $-1$ with respect to $B$ is
                          $$3begin{pmatrix}-1\1end{pmatrix} - 1begin{pmatrix}1\1end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-4\2end{pmatrix}$$
                          in standard coordinates.



                          The vector with components $-16$ and $-8$ with respect to $B^*$ is
                          $$-16begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix} - 8begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-32\-56end{pmatrix}$$
                          in standard coordinates - definitely not a match.



                          The vector with components $16$ and $-10$ with respect to $B^*$ is
                          $$16begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix} - 10begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-4\2end{pmatrix}$$
                          in standard coordinates. Confirmed.






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                            You're right and the official solution is wrong.



                            The vector with components $3$ and $-1$ with respect to $B$ is
                            $$3begin{pmatrix}-1\1end{pmatrix} - 1begin{pmatrix}1\1end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-4\2end{pmatrix}$$
                            in standard coordinates.



                            The vector with components $-16$ and $-8$ with respect to $B^*$ is
                            $$-16begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix} - 8begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-32\-56end{pmatrix}$$
                            in standard coordinates - definitely not a match.



                            The vector with components $16$ and $-10$ with respect to $B^*$ is
                            $$16begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix} - 10begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-4\2end{pmatrix}$$
                            in standard coordinates. Confirmed.






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                            You're right and the official solution is wrong.



                            The vector with components $3$ and $-1$ with respect to $B$ is
                            $$3begin{pmatrix}-1\1end{pmatrix} - 1begin{pmatrix}1\1end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-4\2end{pmatrix}$$
                            in standard coordinates.



                            The vector with components $-16$ and $-8$ with respect to $B^*$ is
                            $$-16begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix} - 8begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-32\-56end{pmatrix}$$
                            in standard coordinates - definitely not a match.



                            The vector with components $16$ and $-10$ with respect to $B^*$ is
                            $$16begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix} - 10begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-4\2end{pmatrix}$$
                            in standard coordinates. Confirmed.







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                                The method used in the solution is basically sound. As you say, the change-of-basis matrix should be $(T^*)^{-1}T$, which you can obtain by concatenating the two matrices and row-reducing: $$left[begin{array}{c|c} T^* & T end{array}right] to left[begin{array}{c|c} I & (T^*)^{-1}T end{array}right].$$ Comparing the correct and incorrect results, I would guess that a simple sign error was made somewhere along the way in the given solution.






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                                  The method used in the solution is basically sound. As you say, the change-of-basis matrix should be $(T^*)^{-1}T$, which you can obtain by concatenating the two matrices and row-reducing: $$left[begin{array}{c|c} T^* & T end{array}right] to left[begin{array}{c|c} I & (T^*)^{-1}T end{array}right].$$ Comparing the correct and incorrect results, I would guess that a simple sign error was made somewhere along the way in the given solution.






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                                    The method used in the solution is basically sound. As you say, the change-of-basis matrix should be $(T^*)^{-1}T$, which you can obtain by concatenating the two matrices and row-reducing: $$left[begin{array}{c|c} T^* & T end{array}right] to left[begin{array}{c|c} I & (T^*)^{-1}T end{array}right].$$ Comparing the correct and incorrect results, I would guess that a simple sign error was made somewhere along the way in the given solution.






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                                    The method used in the solution is basically sound. As you say, the change-of-basis matrix should be $(T^*)^{-1}T$, which you can obtain by concatenating the two matrices and row-reducing: $$left[begin{array}{c|c} T^* & T end{array}right] to left[begin{array}{c|c} I & (T^*)^{-1}T end{array}right].$$ Comparing the correct and incorrect results, I would guess that a simple sign error was made somewhere along the way in the given solution.







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