What type of feet should semiarboreal humanoids have?
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My semiarboreal humanoids have a build quite similar to humans, apart from some more specialized arboreal adaptations. They live in rainforests quite similar to the Amazon Rainforest. Though trees are important to their foraging and structures during rainy season, they still need to run or at least walk efficiently on the ground, as they travel long distances, gather certain materials, and hunt there.
To go more into depth, humans have arched feet to assist in bearing weight bipedally. My humanoids are bipedal as well, but they spend a tad less time on the ground then humans, yet less time in trees than chimpanzees. Chimpanzees do not have arches. Some studies have results that would suggest human and chimpanzee feet have similar climbing capabilities. The previously linked article mentions:
But my takeaway from these two studies is that if we were not shod and walking on hard floors and streets all the time, our human feet would easily be able to work like Chimpanzee feet.
Comparing the gaits of humans and chimpanzees, chimpanzees 'hobble', likely because of their bowed legs, but their feet may affect their gaits as well. In looking for a foot design that can both climb well and walk well, I have considered a combination between a human-like foot and a chimpamzee-like foot. My questions regarding such an intermediate are:
What will be sacrificed from ground locomotion?
What will be sacrificed from climbing?
Should the species not have an intermediate foot, and instead have one or the other?
My guess is that the species I am working on should be able to walk on the forest floor more efficiently than chimpanzees, but likely not run as fast or for as long as humans.
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My semiarboreal humanoids have a build quite similar to humans, apart from some more specialized arboreal adaptations. They live in rainforests quite similar to the Amazon Rainforest. Though trees are important to their foraging and structures during rainy season, they still need to run or at least walk efficiently on the ground, as they travel long distances, gather certain materials, and hunt there.
To go more into depth, humans have arched feet to assist in bearing weight bipedally. My humanoids are bipedal as well, but they spend a tad less time on the ground then humans, yet less time in trees than chimpanzees. Chimpanzees do not have arches. Some studies have results that would suggest human and chimpanzee feet have similar climbing capabilities. The previously linked article mentions:
But my takeaway from these two studies is that if we were not shod and walking on hard floors and streets all the time, our human feet would easily be able to work like Chimpanzee feet.
Comparing the gaits of humans and chimpanzees, chimpanzees 'hobble', likely because of their bowed legs, but their feet may affect their gaits as well. In looking for a foot design that can both climb well and walk well, I have considered a combination between a human-like foot and a chimpamzee-like foot. My questions regarding such an intermediate are:
What will be sacrificed from ground locomotion?
What will be sacrificed from climbing?
Should the species not have an intermediate foot, and instead have one or the other?
My guess is that the species I am working on should be able to walk on the forest floor more efficiently than chimpanzees, but likely not run as fast or for as long as humans.
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I'm incredibily good at running and climbing too, I don't need specialized feet for that. Actually, climbing using only the arms is quite easy. If you want them to be more specialized for climbing than humans already are, just give them wider backs.
– Deimos
19 hours ago
Do the humans live in the trees, or in buildings in the trees? Because climbing a tree is only part of life in a tree. Staying in a tree (by latching yourself onto a branch) is another part that you're omitting here. The answers so far have correctly established that humans can sufficiently climb trees, but the same is not true about staying in the tree (as our feet can't grasp a branch to stay perched - we'd have to balance on a branch).
– Flater
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My semiarboreal humanoids have a build quite similar to humans, apart from some more specialized arboreal adaptations. They live in rainforests quite similar to the Amazon Rainforest. Though trees are important to their foraging and structures during rainy season, they still need to run or at least walk efficiently on the ground, as they travel long distances, gather certain materials, and hunt there.
To go more into depth, humans have arched feet to assist in bearing weight bipedally. My humanoids are bipedal as well, but they spend a tad less time on the ground then humans, yet less time in trees than chimpanzees. Chimpanzees do not have arches. Some studies have results that would suggest human and chimpanzee feet have similar climbing capabilities. The previously linked article mentions:
But my takeaway from these two studies is that if we were not shod and walking on hard floors and streets all the time, our human feet would easily be able to work like Chimpanzee feet.
Comparing the gaits of humans and chimpanzees, chimpanzees 'hobble', likely because of their bowed legs, but their feet may affect their gaits as well. In looking for a foot design that can both climb well and walk well, I have considered a combination between a human-like foot and a chimpamzee-like foot. My questions regarding such an intermediate are:
What will be sacrificed from ground locomotion?
What will be sacrificed from climbing?
Should the species not have an intermediate foot, and instead have one or the other?
My guess is that the species I am working on should be able to walk on the forest floor more efficiently than chimpanzees, but likely not run as fast or for as long as humans.
creature-design evolution humanoid
My semiarboreal humanoids have a build quite similar to humans, apart from some more specialized arboreal adaptations. They live in rainforests quite similar to the Amazon Rainforest. Though trees are important to their foraging and structures during rainy season, they still need to run or at least walk efficiently on the ground, as they travel long distances, gather certain materials, and hunt there.
To go more into depth, humans have arched feet to assist in bearing weight bipedally. My humanoids are bipedal as well, but they spend a tad less time on the ground then humans, yet less time in trees than chimpanzees. Chimpanzees do not have arches. Some studies have results that would suggest human and chimpanzee feet have similar climbing capabilities. The previously linked article mentions:
But my takeaway from these two studies is that if we were not shod and walking on hard floors and streets all the time, our human feet would easily be able to work like Chimpanzee feet.
Comparing the gaits of humans and chimpanzees, chimpanzees 'hobble', likely because of their bowed legs, but their feet may affect their gaits as well. In looking for a foot design that can both climb well and walk well, I have considered a combination between a human-like foot and a chimpamzee-like foot. My questions regarding such an intermediate are:
What will be sacrificed from ground locomotion?
What will be sacrificed from climbing?
Should the species not have an intermediate foot, and instead have one or the other?
My guess is that the species I am working on should be able to walk on the forest floor more efficiently than chimpanzees, but likely not run as fast or for as long as humans.
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I'm incredibily good at running and climbing too, I don't need specialized feet for that. Actually, climbing using only the arms is quite easy. If you want them to be more specialized for climbing than humans already are, just give them wider backs.
– Deimos
19 hours ago
Do the humans live in the trees, or in buildings in the trees? Because climbing a tree is only part of life in a tree. Staying in a tree (by latching yourself onto a branch) is another part that you're omitting here. The answers so far have correctly established that humans can sufficiently climb trees, but the same is not true about staying in the tree (as our feet can't grasp a branch to stay perched - we'd have to balance on a branch).
– Flater
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I'm incredibily good at running and climbing too, I don't need specialized feet for that. Actually, climbing using only the arms is quite easy. If you want them to be more specialized for climbing than humans already are, just give them wider backs.
– Deimos
19 hours ago
Do the humans live in the trees, or in buildings in the trees? Because climbing a tree is only part of life in a tree. Staying in a tree (by latching yourself onto a branch) is another part that you're omitting here. The answers so far have correctly established that humans can sufficiently climb trees, but the same is not true about staying in the tree (as our feet can't grasp a branch to stay perched - we'd have to balance on a branch).
– Flater
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I'm incredibily good at running and climbing too, I don't need specialized feet for that. Actually, climbing using only the arms is quite easy. If you want them to be more specialized for climbing than humans already are, just give them wider backs.
– Deimos
19 hours ago
I'm incredibily good at running and climbing too, I don't need specialized feet for that. Actually, climbing using only the arms is quite easy. If you want them to be more specialized for climbing than humans already are, just give them wider backs.
– Deimos
19 hours ago
Do the humans live in the trees, or in buildings in the trees? Because climbing a tree is only part of life in a tree. Staying in a tree (by latching yourself onto a branch) is another part that you're omitting here. The answers so far have correctly established that humans can sufficiently climb trees, but the same is not true about staying in the tree (as our feet can't grasp a branch to stay perched - we'd have to balance on a branch).
– Flater
2 hours ago
Do the humans live in the trees, or in buildings in the trees? Because climbing a tree is only part of life in a tree. Staying in a tree (by latching yourself onto a branch) is another part that you're omitting here. The answers so far have correctly established that humans can sufficiently climb trees, but the same is not true about staying in the tree (as our feet can't grasp a branch to stay perched - we'd have to balance on a branch).
– Flater
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Stick with human feet
- Chimp feet don't actually articulate very much
- Humans have the ability to climb using the same method that chimps do without modifying their feet.
- Human feet are specialized for walking and running long distances.
- Most of the reasons that chimps don't walk very well on two legs have nothing to do with their feet and more to do with their legs and pelvis.
Isn't the chimp's different foot more relevant for staying in the tree (by grasping on to branches) more than climbing the tree? That is a relevant consideration as to whether human feet are sufficient.
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Lemur feet
The following video shows a lemur both progressing along the ground and leaping into a tree.
https://youtu.be/f9ARvGS3mhk?t=47
and
https://youtu.be/f9ARvGS3mhk?t=106
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Clawed feet
Cats and other animals climb very efficiently with clawed feet. They do however present their feet to the tree inline with the surface which allows for curved claws to engage the surface and the weight to hang from them, they basically turn from horizontal walking through 90 degrees to vertical walking up the surface. If you want your humanoids to be able to walk efficiently on the ground as well as climbing an ankle that can rotate to both positions may not work.
So :
go for feet with stronger/stiffer toes and straight claws, either fixed or retractable. Think of the use of crampons for climbing ice walls where they are kicked into the surface. Sharper claws on softer material such as wood would require less of the kick needed.
have more flexible but stronger toes and curved claws that can rotate the ninety degrees or so to form the angles for hanging claws.
rearrange to the lower limbs to a digitigrade form to present the foot forward and easier to rotate to have a hanging claw orientation.
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You would actually want squirrel feet if you intend to use the claws for climbing. Squirrels can rotate their feet so that the claws face opposite their normal orientation. This allows them to climb down while facing in the direction of travel, and is why cats are known for getting stuck in trees.
– StarHawk
13 hours ago
@StarHawk "and is why cats are known for getting stuck in trees" ... this has been a proper WOW moment for me :-o :-o
– Whelkaholism
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You'd want an Ardipithecus like creature, possibly similar to an A. Ramidus which I shall hence forth call "Lucy" after the first known specimen and because these names are rough on me to spell correctly. Lucy is closely related to humans and chimps, but occurred well after the two species diverge. Lucy is believed to have spent about equal time in trees and the newly emerging Savannah plains, thus had a more dexterous base to assist in climbing but with the non-thumb digits resembling something closer to a human foot.
Bipedalism is thought to have evolved to allow homonids (of which, Lucy is not one, but close enough) to see over tall grass of the flat lands, which provided early warning against quadrupedial predators and early intelligence on prey animals. Human hands developed to provide carrying of food at a more energy efficient travel capacity to a quadrapedal locomotion like a Chimp.
This could easily have evolved if your species evolved in a edge of Forrest environment bordered by a savanna plane. Although you asked for feet differences, your more immediate noticable difference would be the arms which would be longer than a human's and possibly be equal length to legs or at least closer to that. As noted elsewhere, the legs of humans are sufficient enough for this lifestyle as climbing and general aboreal locomotion were typically upper body strength activities, not lower body activites. Consider such human actions as the hated gym activity of the rope climb or the playground equipment of the monkey bars and compare to a fellow great ape climbing a vine or tree, or swinging though branches. In fact, the latter action gets its name from the movement of primates through trees, as the actions use the same physics. Humans have generally short arms compared to primates because our evolution occured due to a decline in trees, but this is a slight disadvantage to humans at best. In fact human hands are unique in that every muscle group in the hand is found in another extant primate but no extant primate has all the same muscle groups of humans. In fact, when compared, great apes have an average throwing speed of about 20 mph while an average human can achieve speeds over 3 times this, and can get close to 5 times a great ape's throw speed if trained (Professional Baseball pitchers can easily clock speeds in the high 90 mph range)... the advantage of this being that most savannah land animals are not anticipating the devistation of a rock moving at 60-70 mph striking them in the head, even less so when they think predators can't see them in the tall grass. Suffice to say, human climbing skills are more than sufficient to primate climbing skills to allow a trained human to sufficently climb like an ape. The foot changes would only allow for better utility, and even then, not much... mostly it would work to stabilize the body better while reaching for the next thing to pull yourself higher and possibly carry loads upwards. Even then, it's only a slightly better advantage as many humans (including yours truly) still retain surprisingly dexterous toes to sufficiently grip items and manipulate them while standing on the free foot (my use typically extends to picking up items on the floor that I'm too lazy to pick up, but I once attended a concert by a guitarist who, do to some mishap, had lost both arms... but had learned to use his feet to sufficiently play quality music... better than I could my hands... but I'm a terrible musician so... take that into consideration.).
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Suction on the feet
You don't necessarily have to use chimp feet to climb. The hyrax is great example of this. Their feet have thick, rubbery soles that are moist, and lift up in the center to form a suction cup. In this way, you could have feet suited to climbing without damaging ground maneuverability. you would actually increase it, as feet with curves like that would help with handling different terrain, and would not just be limited to climbing trees, meaning that you could create variants of this species or race that are able to handle mountains and rocks as well as trees.
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Stick with human feet
- Chimp feet don't actually articulate very much
- Humans have the ability to climb using the same method that chimps do without modifying their feet.
- Human feet are specialized for walking and running long distances.
- Most of the reasons that chimps don't walk very well on two legs have nothing to do with their feet and more to do with their legs and pelvis.
Isn't the chimp's different foot more relevant for staying in the tree (by grasping on to branches) more than climbing the tree? That is a relevant consideration as to whether human feet are sufficient.
– Flater
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Stick with human feet
- Chimp feet don't actually articulate very much
- Humans have the ability to climb using the same method that chimps do without modifying their feet.
- Human feet are specialized for walking and running long distances.
- Most of the reasons that chimps don't walk very well on two legs have nothing to do with their feet and more to do with their legs and pelvis.
Isn't the chimp's different foot more relevant for staying in the tree (by grasping on to branches) more than climbing the tree? That is a relevant consideration as to whether human feet are sufficient.
– Flater
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Stick with human feet
- Chimp feet don't actually articulate very much
- Humans have the ability to climb using the same method that chimps do without modifying their feet.
- Human feet are specialized for walking and running long distances.
- Most of the reasons that chimps don't walk very well on two legs have nothing to do with their feet and more to do with their legs and pelvis.
Stick with human feet
- Chimp feet don't actually articulate very much
- Humans have the ability to climb using the same method that chimps do without modifying their feet.
- Human feet are specialized for walking and running long distances.
- Most of the reasons that chimps don't walk very well on two legs have nothing to do with their feet and more to do with their legs and pelvis.
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Isn't the chimp's different foot more relevant for staying in the tree (by grasping on to branches) more than climbing the tree? That is a relevant consideration as to whether human feet are sufficient.
– Flater
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Isn't the chimp's different foot more relevant for staying in the tree (by grasping on to branches) more than climbing the tree? That is a relevant consideration as to whether human feet are sufficient.
– Flater
3 hours ago
Isn't the chimp's different foot more relevant for staying in the tree (by grasping on to branches) more than climbing the tree? That is a relevant consideration as to whether human feet are sufficient.
– Flater
3 hours ago
Isn't the chimp's different foot more relevant for staying in the tree (by grasping on to branches) more than climbing the tree? That is a relevant consideration as to whether human feet are sufficient.
– Flater
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Lemur feet
The following video shows a lemur both progressing along the ground and leaping into a tree.
https://youtu.be/f9ARvGS3mhk?t=47
and
https://youtu.be/f9ARvGS3mhk?t=106
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Lemur feet
The following video shows a lemur both progressing along the ground and leaping into a tree.
https://youtu.be/f9ARvGS3mhk?t=47
and
https://youtu.be/f9ARvGS3mhk?t=106
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Lemur feet
The following video shows a lemur both progressing along the ground and leaping into a tree.
https://youtu.be/f9ARvGS3mhk?t=47
and
https://youtu.be/f9ARvGS3mhk?t=106
Lemur feet
The following video shows a lemur both progressing along the ground and leaping into a tree.
https://youtu.be/f9ARvGS3mhk?t=47
and
https://youtu.be/f9ARvGS3mhk?t=106
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Clawed feet
Cats and other animals climb very efficiently with clawed feet. They do however present their feet to the tree inline with the surface which allows for curved claws to engage the surface and the weight to hang from them, they basically turn from horizontal walking through 90 degrees to vertical walking up the surface. If you want your humanoids to be able to walk efficiently on the ground as well as climbing an ankle that can rotate to both positions may not work.
So :
go for feet with stronger/stiffer toes and straight claws, either fixed or retractable. Think of the use of crampons for climbing ice walls where they are kicked into the surface. Sharper claws on softer material such as wood would require less of the kick needed.
have more flexible but stronger toes and curved claws that can rotate the ninety degrees or so to form the angles for hanging claws.
rearrange to the lower limbs to a digitigrade form to present the foot forward and easier to rotate to have a hanging claw orientation.
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You would actually want squirrel feet if you intend to use the claws for climbing. Squirrels can rotate their feet so that the claws face opposite their normal orientation. This allows them to climb down while facing in the direction of travel, and is why cats are known for getting stuck in trees.
– StarHawk
13 hours ago
@StarHawk "and is why cats are known for getting stuck in trees" ... this has been a proper WOW moment for me :-o :-o
– Whelkaholism
2 hours ago
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Clawed feet
Cats and other animals climb very efficiently with clawed feet. They do however present their feet to the tree inline with the surface which allows for curved claws to engage the surface and the weight to hang from them, they basically turn from horizontal walking through 90 degrees to vertical walking up the surface. If you want your humanoids to be able to walk efficiently on the ground as well as climbing an ankle that can rotate to both positions may not work.
So :
go for feet with stronger/stiffer toes and straight claws, either fixed or retractable. Think of the use of crampons for climbing ice walls where they are kicked into the surface. Sharper claws on softer material such as wood would require less of the kick needed.
have more flexible but stronger toes and curved claws that can rotate the ninety degrees or so to form the angles for hanging claws.
rearrange to the lower limbs to a digitigrade form to present the foot forward and easier to rotate to have a hanging claw orientation.
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You would actually want squirrel feet if you intend to use the claws for climbing. Squirrels can rotate their feet so that the claws face opposite their normal orientation. This allows them to climb down while facing in the direction of travel, and is why cats are known for getting stuck in trees.
– StarHawk
13 hours ago
@StarHawk "and is why cats are known for getting stuck in trees" ... this has been a proper WOW moment for me :-o :-o
– Whelkaholism
2 hours ago
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Clawed feet
Cats and other animals climb very efficiently with clawed feet. They do however present their feet to the tree inline with the surface which allows for curved claws to engage the surface and the weight to hang from them, they basically turn from horizontal walking through 90 degrees to vertical walking up the surface. If you want your humanoids to be able to walk efficiently on the ground as well as climbing an ankle that can rotate to both positions may not work.
So :
go for feet with stronger/stiffer toes and straight claws, either fixed or retractable. Think of the use of crampons for climbing ice walls where they are kicked into the surface. Sharper claws on softer material such as wood would require less of the kick needed.
have more flexible but stronger toes and curved claws that can rotate the ninety degrees or so to form the angles for hanging claws.
rearrange to the lower limbs to a digitigrade form to present the foot forward and easier to rotate to have a hanging claw orientation.
Clawed feet
Cats and other animals climb very efficiently with clawed feet. They do however present their feet to the tree inline with the surface which allows for curved claws to engage the surface and the weight to hang from them, they basically turn from horizontal walking through 90 degrees to vertical walking up the surface. If you want your humanoids to be able to walk efficiently on the ground as well as climbing an ankle that can rotate to both positions may not work.
So :
go for feet with stronger/stiffer toes and straight claws, either fixed or retractable. Think of the use of crampons for climbing ice walls where they are kicked into the surface. Sharper claws on softer material such as wood would require less of the kick needed.
have more flexible but stronger toes and curved claws that can rotate the ninety degrees or so to form the angles for hanging claws.
rearrange to the lower limbs to a digitigrade form to present the foot forward and easier to rotate to have a hanging claw orientation.
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You would actually want squirrel feet if you intend to use the claws for climbing. Squirrels can rotate their feet so that the claws face opposite their normal orientation. This allows them to climb down while facing in the direction of travel, and is why cats are known for getting stuck in trees.
– StarHawk
13 hours ago
@StarHawk "and is why cats are known for getting stuck in trees" ... this has been a proper WOW moment for me :-o :-o
– Whelkaholism
2 hours ago
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You would actually want squirrel feet if you intend to use the claws for climbing. Squirrels can rotate their feet so that the claws face opposite their normal orientation. This allows them to climb down while facing in the direction of travel, and is why cats are known for getting stuck in trees.
– StarHawk
13 hours ago
@StarHawk "and is why cats are known for getting stuck in trees" ... this has been a proper WOW moment for me :-o :-o
– Whelkaholism
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You would actually want squirrel feet if you intend to use the claws for climbing. Squirrels can rotate their feet so that the claws face opposite their normal orientation. This allows them to climb down while facing in the direction of travel, and is why cats are known for getting stuck in trees.
– StarHawk
13 hours ago
You would actually want squirrel feet if you intend to use the claws for climbing. Squirrels can rotate their feet so that the claws face opposite their normal orientation. This allows them to climb down while facing in the direction of travel, and is why cats are known for getting stuck in trees.
– StarHawk
13 hours ago
@StarHawk "and is why cats are known for getting stuck in trees" ... this has been a proper WOW moment for me :-o :-o
– Whelkaholism
2 hours ago
@StarHawk "and is why cats are known for getting stuck in trees" ... this has been a proper WOW moment for me :-o :-o
– Whelkaholism
2 hours ago
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You'd want an Ardipithecus like creature, possibly similar to an A. Ramidus which I shall hence forth call "Lucy" after the first known specimen and because these names are rough on me to spell correctly. Lucy is closely related to humans and chimps, but occurred well after the two species diverge. Lucy is believed to have spent about equal time in trees and the newly emerging Savannah plains, thus had a more dexterous base to assist in climbing but with the non-thumb digits resembling something closer to a human foot.
Bipedalism is thought to have evolved to allow homonids (of which, Lucy is not one, but close enough) to see over tall grass of the flat lands, which provided early warning against quadrupedial predators and early intelligence on prey animals. Human hands developed to provide carrying of food at a more energy efficient travel capacity to a quadrapedal locomotion like a Chimp.
This could easily have evolved if your species evolved in a edge of Forrest environment bordered by a savanna plane. Although you asked for feet differences, your more immediate noticable difference would be the arms which would be longer than a human's and possibly be equal length to legs or at least closer to that. As noted elsewhere, the legs of humans are sufficient enough for this lifestyle as climbing and general aboreal locomotion were typically upper body strength activities, not lower body activites. Consider such human actions as the hated gym activity of the rope climb or the playground equipment of the monkey bars and compare to a fellow great ape climbing a vine or tree, or swinging though branches. In fact, the latter action gets its name from the movement of primates through trees, as the actions use the same physics. Humans have generally short arms compared to primates because our evolution occured due to a decline in trees, but this is a slight disadvantage to humans at best. In fact human hands are unique in that every muscle group in the hand is found in another extant primate but no extant primate has all the same muscle groups of humans. In fact, when compared, great apes have an average throwing speed of about 20 mph while an average human can achieve speeds over 3 times this, and can get close to 5 times a great ape's throw speed if trained (Professional Baseball pitchers can easily clock speeds in the high 90 mph range)... the advantage of this being that most savannah land animals are not anticipating the devistation of a rock moving at 60-70 mph striking them in the head, even less so when they think predators can't see them in the tall grass. Suffice to say, human climbing skills are more than sufficient to primate climbing skills to allow a trained human to sufficently climb like an ape. The foot changes would only allow for better utility, and even then, not much... mostly it would work to stabilize the body better while reaching for the next thing to pull yourself higher and possibly carry loads upwards. Even then, it's only a slightly better advantage as many humans (including yours truly) still retain surprisingly dexterous toes to sufficiently grip items and manipulate them while standing on the free foot (my use typically extends to picking up items on the floor that I'm too lazy to pick up, but I once attended a concert by a guitarist who, do to some mishap, had lost both arms... but had learned to use his feet to sufficiently play quality music... better than I could my hands... but I'm a terrible musician so... take that into consideration.).
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You'd want an Ardipithecus like creature, possibly similar to an A. Ramidus which I shall hence forth call "Lucy" after the first known specimen and because these names are rough on me to spell correctly. Lucy is closely related to humans and chimps, but occurred well after the two species diverge. Lucy is believed to have spent about equal time in trees and the newly emerging Savannah plains, thus had a more dexterous base to assist in climbing but with the non-thumb digits resembling something closer to a human foot.
Bipedalism is thought to have evolved to allow homonids (of which, Lucy is not one, but close enough) to see over tall grass of the flat lands, which provided early warning against quadrupedial predators and early intelligence on prey animals. Human hands developed to provide carrying of food at a more energy efficient travel capacity to a quadrapedal locomotion like a Chimp.
This could easily have evolved if your species evolved in a edge of Forrest environment bordered by a savanna plane. Although you asked for feet differences, your more immediate noticable difference would be the arms which would be longer than a human's and possibly be equal length to legs or at least closer to that. As noted elsewhere, the legs of humans are sufficient enough for this lifestyle as climbing and general aboreal locomotion were typically upper body strength activities, not lower body activites. Consider such human actions as the hated gym activity of the rope climb or the playground equipment of the monkey bars and compare to a fellow great ape climbing a vine or tree, or swinging though branches. In fact, the latter action gets its name from the movement of primates through trees, as the actions use the same physics. Humans have generally short arms compared to primates because our evolution occured due to a decline in trees, but this is a slight disadvantage to humans at best. In fact human hands are unique in that every muscle group in the hand is found in another extant primate but no extant primate has all the same muscle groups of humans. In fact, when compared, great apes have an average throwing speed of about 20 mph while an average human can achieve speeds over 3 times this, and can get close to 5 times a great ape's throw speed if trained (Professional Baseball pitchers can easily clock speeds in the high 90 mph range)... the advantage of this being that most savannah land animals are not anticipating the devistation of a rock moving at 60-70 mph striking them in the head, even less so when they think predators can't see them in the tall grass. Suffice to say, human climbing skills are more than sufficient to primate climbing skills to allow a trained human to sufficently climb like an ape. The foot changes would only allow for better utility, and even then, not much... mostly it would work to stabilize the body better while reaching for the next thing to pull yourself higher and possibly carry loads upwards. Even then, it's only a slightly better advantage as many humans (including yours truly) still retain surprisingly dexterous toes to sufficiently grip items and manipulate them while standing on the free foot (my use typically extends to picking up items on the floor that I'm too lazy to pick up, but I once attended a concert by a guitarist who, do to some mishap, had lost both arms... but had learned to use his feet to sufficiently play quality music... better than I could my hands... but I'm a terrible musician so... take that into consideration.).
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You'd want an Ardipithecus like creature, possibly similar to an A. Ramidus which I shall hence forth call "Lucy" after the first known specimen and because these names are rough on me to spell correctly. Lucy is closely related to humans and chimps, but occurred well after the two species diverge. Lucy is believed to have spent about equal time in trees and the newly emerging Savannah plains, thus had a more dexterous base to assist in climbing but with the non-thumb digits resembling something closer to a human foot.
Bipedalism is thought to have evolved to allow homonids (of which, Lucy is not one, but close enough) to see over tall grass of the flat lands, which provided early warning against quadrupedial predators and early intelligence on prey animals. Human hands developed to provide carrying of food at a more energy efficient travel capacity to a quadrapedal locomotion like a Chimp.
This could easily have evolved if your species evolved in a edge of Forrest environment bordered by a savanna plane. Although you asked for feet differences, your more immediate noticable difference would be the arms which would be longer than a human's and possibly be equal length to legs or at least closer to that. As noted elsewhere, the legs of humans are sufficient enough for this lifestyle as climbing and general aboreal locomotion were typically upper body strength activities, not lower body activites. Consider such human actions as the hated gym activity of the rope climb or the playground equipment of the monkey bars and compare to a fellow great ape climbing a vine or tree, or swinging though branches. In fact, the latter action gets its name from the movement of primates through trees, as the actions use the same physics. Humans have generally short arms compared to primates because our evolution occured due to a decline in trees, but this is a slight disadvantage to humans at best. In fact human hands are unique in that every muscle group in the hand is found in another extant primate but no extant primate has all the same muscle groups of humans. In fact, when compared, great apes have an average throwing speed of about 20 mph while an average human can achieve speeds over 3 times this, and can get close to 5 times a great ape's throw speed if trained (Professional Baseball pitchers can easily clock speeds in the high 90 mph range)... the advantage of this being that most savannah land animals are not anticipating the devistation of a rock moving at 60-70 mph striking them in the head, even less so when they think predators can't see them in the tall grass. Suffice to say, human climbing skills are more than sufficient to primate climbing skills to allow a trained human to sufficently climb like an ape. The foot changes would only allow for better utility, and even then, not much... mostly it would work to stabilize the body better while reaching for the next thing to pull yourself higher and possibly carry loads upwards. Even then, it's only a slightly better advantage as many humans (including yours truly) still retain surprisingly dexterous toes to sufficiently grip items and manipulate them while standing on the free foot (my use typically extends to picking up items on the floor that I'm too lazy to pick up, but I once attended a concert by a guitarist who, do to some mishap, had lost both arms... but had learned to use his feet to sufficiently play quality music... better than I could my hands... but I'm a terrible musician so... take that into consideration.).
You'd want an Ardipithecus like creature, possibly similar to an A. Ramidus which I shall hence forth call "Lucy" after the first known specimen and because these names are rough on me to spell correctly. Lucy is closely related to humans and chimps, but occurred well after the two species diverge. Lucy is believed to have spent about equal time in trees and the newly emerging Savannah plains, thus had a more dexterous base to assist in climbing but with the non-thumb digits resembling something closer to a human foot.
Bipedalism is thought to have evolved to allow homonids (of which, Lucy is not one, but close enough) to see over tall grass of the flat lands, which provided early warning against quadrupedial predators and early intelligence on prey animals. Human hands developed to provide carrying of food at a more energy efficient travel capacity to a quadrapedal locomotion like a Chimp.
This could easily have evolved if your species evolved in a edge of Forrest environment bordered by a savanna plane. Although you asked for feet differences, your more immediate noticable difference would be the arms which would be longer than a human's and possibly be equal length to legs or at least closer to that. As noted elsewhere, the legs of humans are sufficient enough for this lifestyle as climbing and general aboreal locomotion were typically upper body strength activities, not lower body activites. Consider such human actions as the hated gym activity of the rope climb or the playground equipment of the monkey bars and compare to a fellow great ape climbing a vine or tree, or swinging though branches. In fact, the latter action gets its name from the movement of primates through trees, as the actions use the same physics. Humans have generally short arms compared to primates because our evolution occured due to a decline in trees, but this is a slight disadvantage to humans at best. In fact human hands are unique in that every muscle group in the hand is found in another extant primate but no extant primate has all the same muscle groups of humans. In fact, when compared, great apes have an average throwing speed of about 20 mph while an average human can achieve speeds over 3 times this, and can get close to 5 times a great ape's throw speed if trained (Professional Baseball pitchers can easily clock speeds in the high 90 mph range)... the advantage of this being that most savannah land animals are not anticipating the devistation of a rock moving at 60-70 mph striking them in the head, even less so when they think predators can't see them in the tall grass. Suffice to say, human climbing skills are more than sufficient to primate climbing skills to allow a trained human to sufficently climb like an ape. The foot changes would only allow for better utility, and even then, not much... mostly it would work to stabilize the body better while reaching for the next thing to pull yourself higher and possibly carry loads upwards. Even then, it's only a slightly better advantage as many humans (including yours truly) still retain surprisingly dexterous toes to sufficiently grip items and manipulate them while standing on the free foot (my use typically extends to picking up items on the floor that I'm too lazy to pick up, but I once attended a concert by a guitarist who, do to some mishap, had lost both arms... but had learned to use his feet to sufficiently play quality music... better than I could my hands... but I'm a terrible musician so... take that into consideration.).
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Suction on the feet
You don't necessarily have to use chimp feet to climb. The hyrax is great example of this. Their feet have thick, rubbery soles that are moist, and lift up in the center to form a suction cup. In this way, you could have feet suited to climbing without damaging ground maneuverability. you would actually increase it, as feet with curves like that would help with handling different terrain, and would not just be limited to climbing trees, meaning that you could create variants of this species or race that are able to handle mountains and rocks as well as trees.
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Suction on the feet
You don't necessarily have to use chimp feet to climb. The hyrax is great example of this. Their feet have thick, rubbery soles that are moist, and lift up in the center to form a suction cup. In this way, you could have feet suited to climbing without damaging ground maneuverability. you would actually increase it, as feet with curves like that would help with handling different terrain, and would not just be limited to climbing trees, meaning that you could create variants of this species or race that are able to handle mountains and rocks as well as trees.
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Suction on the feet
You don't necessarily have to use chimp feet to climb. The hyrax is great example of this. Their feet have thick, rubbery soles that are moist, and lift up in the center to form a suction cup. In this way, you could have feet suited to climbing without damaging ground maneuverability. you would actually increase it, as feet with curves like that would help with handling different terrain, and would not just be limited to climbing trees, meaning that you could create variants of this species or race that are able to handle mountains and rocks as well as trees.
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Suction on the feet
You don't necessarily have to use chimp feet to climb. The hyrax is great example of this. Their feet have thick, rubbery soles that are moist, and lift up in the center to form a suction cup. In this way, you could have feet suited to climbing without damaging ground maneuverability. you would actually increase it, as feet with curves like that would help with handling different terrain, and would not just be limited to climbing trees, meaning that you could create variants of this species or race that are able to handle mountains and rocks as well as trees.
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I'm incredibily good at running and climbing too, I don't need specialized feet for that. Actually, climbing using only the arms is quite easy. If you want them to be more specialized for climbing than humans already are, just give them wider backs.
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Do the humans live in the trees, or in buildings in the trees? Because climbing a tree is only part of life in a tree. Staying in a tree (by latching yourself onto a branch) is another part that you're omitting here. The answers so far have correctly established that humans can sufficiently climb trees, but the same is not true about staying in the tree (as our feet can't grasp a branch to stay perched - we'd have to balance on a branch).
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