Present Subjunctive Passive
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North & Hillard Ex. 213; Q5: the following is to be translated into Latin: "I am willing to send anyone at all to find out what is going on."
The answer: "volo quemvis (quemlibet) mittere cognitum quid agatur."
A few points: firstly, two-words-joined-into one, "quem vis" whom-you-want & "quem libet" whom-it-is-pleasing; but doesn't "libet" require dative + infinitive construction giving "cuilibet mittere"?
Secondly, what does "cognitum" mean here; it cannot be "having-been-learned" when the intention is in the future? Is it an acquaintance--the person being sent; if so, how is the concept of "finding out" to be expressed?
Thirdly, present subjunctive passive "agatur", after "quid", giving (literally) "what-may-be-done" referring to the future; but the Q asks for present tense--"what is going on".
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North & Hillard Ex. 213; Q5: the following is to be translated into Latin: "I am willing to send anyone at all to find out what is going on."
The answer: "volo quemvis (quemlibet) mittere cognitum quid agatur."
A few points: firstly, two-words-joined-into one, "quem vis" whom-you-want & "quem libet" whom-it-is-pleasing; but doesn't "libet" require dative + infinitive construction giving "cuilibet mittere"?
Secondly, what does "cognitum" mean here; it cannot be "having-been-learned" when the intention is in the future? Is it an acquaintance--the person being sent; if so, how is the concept of "finding out" to be expressed?
Thirdly, present subjunctive passive "agatur", after "quid", giving (literally) "what-may-be-done" referring to the future; but the Q asks for present tense--"what is going on".
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North & Hillard Ex. 213; Q5: the following is to be translated into Latin: "I am willing to send anyone at all to find out what is going on."
The answer: "volo quemvis (quemlibet) mittere cognitum quid agatur."
A few points: firstly, two-words-joined-into one, "quem vis" whom-you-want & "quem libet" whom-it-is-pleasing; but doesn't "libet" require dative + infinitive construction giving "cuilibet mittere"?
Secondly, what does "cognitum" mean here; it cannot be "having-been-learned" when the intention is in the future? Is it an acquaintance--the person being sent; if so, how is the concept of "finding out" to be expressed?
Thirdly, present subjunctive passive "agatur", after "quid", giving (literally) "what-may-be-done" referring to the future; but the Q asks for present tense--"what is going on".
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North & Hillard Ex. 213; Q5: the following is to be translated into Latin: "I am willing to send anyone at all to find out what is going on."
The answer: "volo quemvis (quemlibet) mittere cognitum quid agatur."
A few points: firstly, two-words-joined-into one, "quem vis" whom-you-want & "quem libet" whom-it-is-pleasing; but doesn't "libet" require dative + infinitive construction giving "cuilibet mittere"?
Secondly, what does "cognitum" mean here; it cannot be "having-been-learned" when the intention is in the future? Is it an acquaintance--the person being sent; if so, how is the concept of "finding out" to be expressed?
Thirdly, present subjunctive passive "agatur", after "quid", giving (literally) "what-may-be-done" referring to the future; but the Q asks for present tense--"what is going on".
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On quemlibet: it's not the "whoever" that is being pleased, so the quis/quem isn't what goes into the dative. I suppose there's an understood mihi, or tibi; but I suspect that really, libet has become lexicalised as a suffix, separated from its verbal root.
On cognitum: I think it is a supine, not a participle. I don't remember seeing mittere cognitum before - I'm only familiar with this use with ad: "ad cognitum" - but I think that's what it must be.
On agatur: there isn't a future subjunctive anyway, but why do you think this is has future meaning? The meaning is what may be happening (being done).
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On quemlibet: it's not the "whoever" that is being pleased, so the quis/quem isn't what goes into the dative. I suppose there's an understood mihi, or tibi; but I suspect that really, libet has become lexicalised as a suffix, separated from its verbal root.
On cognitum: I think it is a supine, not a participle. I don't remember seeing mittere cognitum before - I'm only familiar with this use with ad: "ad cognitum" - but I think that's what it must be.
On agatur: there isn't a future subjunctive anyway, but why do you think this is has future meaning? The meaning is what may be happening (being done).
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On quemlibet: it's not the "whoever" that is being pleased, so the quis/quem isn't what goes into the dative. I suppose there's an understood mihi, or tibi; but I suspect that really, libet has become lexicalised as a suffix, separated from its verbal root.
On cognitum: I think it is a supine, not a participle. I don't remember seeing mittere cognitum before - I'm only familiar with this use with ad: "ad cognitum" - but I think that's what it must be.
On agatur: there isn't a future subjunctive anyway, but why do you think this is has future meaning? The meaning is what may be happening (being done).
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On cognitum: I think it is a supine, not a participle. I don't remember seeing mittere cognitum before - I'm only familiar with this use with ad: "ad cognitum" - but I think that's what it must be.
On agatur: there isn't a future subjunctive anyway, but why do you think this is has future meaning? The meaning is what may be happening (being done).
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On quemlibet: it's not the "whoever" that is being pleased, so the quis/quem isn't what goes into the dative. I suppose there's an understood mihi, or tibi; but I suspect that really, libet has become lexicalised as a suffix, separated from its verbal root.
On cognitum: I think it is a supine, not a participle. I don't remember seeing mittere cognitum before - I'm only familiar with this use with ad: "ad cognitum" - but I think that's what it must be.
On agatur: there isn't a future subjunctive anyway, but why do you think this is has future meaning? The meaning is what may be happening (being done).
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