Let $kinBbb{N}$. Prove that $0<frac{1}{k}-ln(1+frac{1}{k})<frac{1}{2k^2}$











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Not sure how to approach it, tried with basic algebraic manipulation but got no where. We are learning Mean Value Theorem and Taylor's Theorem so I would believe maybe we use one of those two theorems, or it may be another method. Need a hint starting it.










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      Not sure how to approach it, tried with basic algebraic manipulation but got no where. We are learning Mean Value Theorem and Taylor's Theorem so I would believe maybe we use one of those two theorems, or it may be another method. Need a hint starting it.







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          HINT



          By $frac 1k =x$ we need to show that



          $$0<x-ln(1+x)<frac{1}{2}x^2 iff x-frac12x^2le ln(1+x)le x quad xin(0,1]$$






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            You can use the Taylor series for $log (1+x)$ to get
            $$lnleft(1+frac 1kright)=frac 1k-frac 1{2k^2}+frac 1{3k^3}-frac1{4k^4}+ldots$$
            Now apply the alternating series theorem which says if you truncate the alternating series the error is smaller than and of the same sign as the first neglected term.






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              Further Hint: The inequality suggested by gimusi $$x-frac{1}{2}x^2leq ln(1+x)leq xtext{ for }xgeq 0$$
              can be proven via Taylor's Theorem or via the inequality
              $$1-xleq frac{1}{1+x}leq 1text{ for }xgeq 0,.$$






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              • Thanks for the quote. Yes I would suggest the simpler second way by derivatives.
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              Hint: $lnleft(1+frac1k right)=int_k^{k+1}frac1x dx$



              Also on $[k,k+1]$ we have $frac1{k+1} le frac1x le frac1k $, with strict inequality over most of the interval.



              Then since the interval is of length $1$, we have
              $$ frac1{k+1} <int_k^{k+1}frac1x dx <frac1k $$
              So
              $$ frac1{k+1} <lnleft( 1+frac1kright) <frac1k $$
              Then see if you can manipulate this inequality to what you need.






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                Let
                $$
                x_n=left(1+frac 1nright)^n
                $$

                It's well known that $x_n$ is strictly crescent and converges to $e$. Then
                $$
                left(1+frac 1kright)^k<eRightarrow klnleft(1+frac 1kright) < 1Rightarrow frac 1k - lnleft(1+frac 1kright) > 0
                $$



                Consider now the function
                $$
                f(x)=frac 1{2x^2}-frac 1x + lnleft(1+frac 1xright)
                $$

                then
                $$
                f'(x)=-frac 1{x^3} +frac 1{x^2} -frac 1{x(x+1)}=frac{-x-1+x^2+x-x^2}{x^3(x+1)}<0
                $$

                so $f$ is strictly decreasing then



                $$
                f(n)>lim_{xrightarrow +infty}f(x)=0Leftrightarrow frac 1{2x^2}>frac 1k-lnleft(1+frac 1kright)
                $$






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                  $$ log(1+tfrac{1}{k})=log(k+1)-log(k)=int_{k}^{k+1}frac{dx}{x}=int_{0}^{1}frac{dx}{x+k} tag{1}$$



                  $$ tfrac{1}{k}-logleft(1+tfrac{1}{k}right)=int_{0}^{1}left[frac{1}{k}-frac{1}{x+k}right],dx=frac{1}{k}int_{0}^{1}frac{x}{x+k},dxtag{2} $$



                  $$ frac{1}{k}int_{0}^{1}frac{x}{x+k},dx leq frac{1}{k}int_{0}^{1}frac{x}{k},dx = frac{1}{2k^2}.tag{3} $$



                  Improving the approximation through the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality:



                  $$ tfrac{1}{k}-logleft(1+tfrac{1}{k}right)approx frac{1}{k}sqrt{int_{0}^{1}x,dxint_{0}^{1}frac{x,dx }{(x+k)^2}}=tfrac{1}{ksqrt{2}}sqrt{logleft(1+tfrac{1}{k}right)-tfrac{1}{k+1}} $$
                  we get:
                  $$ logleft(1+frac{1}{k}right)approx frac{1+k(5+4k)-sqrt{(1+k)(1+9k)}}{4k^2(1+k)}.tag{4}$$
                  This is very accurate for large values of $k$ and acceptable for $kapprox 1$. For instance, the error of $log(2)approxfrac{5-sqrt{5}}{4}$ got by setting $k=1$ is not much larger than $2cdot 10^{-3}$.






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                    By $frac 1k =x$ we need to show that



                    $$0<x-ln(1+x)<frac{1}{2}x^2 iff x-frac12x^2le ln(1+x)le x quad xin(0,1]$$






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                      By $frac 1k =x$ we need to show that



                      $$0<x-ln(1+x)<frac{1}{2}x^2 iff x-frac12x^2le ln(1+x)le x quad xin(0,1]$$






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                        By $frac 1k =x$ we need to show that



                        $$0<x-ln(1+x)<frac{1}{2}x^2 iff x-frac12x^2le ln(1+x)le x quad xin(0,1]$$






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                        $$0<x-ln(1+x)<frac{1}{2}x^2 iff x-frac12x^2le ln(1+x)le x quad xin(0,1]$$







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                            You can use the Taylor series for $log (1+x)$ to get
                            $$lnleft(1+frac 1kright)=frac 1k-frac 1{2k^2}+frac 1{3k^3}-frac1{4k^4}+ldots$$
                            Now apply the alternating series theorem which says if you truncate the alternating series the error is smaller than and of the same sign as the first neglected term.






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                              You can use the Taylor series for $log (1+x)$ to get
                              $$lnleft(1+frac 1kright)=frac 1k-frac 1{2k^2}+frac 1{3k^3}-frac1{4k^4}+ldots$$
                              Now apply the alternating series theorem which says if you truncate the alternating series the error is smaller than and of the same sign as the first neglected term.






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                                You can use the Taylor series for $log (1+x)$ to get
                                $$lnleft(1+frac 1kright)=frac 1k-frac 1{2k^2}+frac 1{3k^3}-frac1{4k^4}+ldots$$
                                Now apply the alternating series theorem which says if you truncate the alternating series the error is smaller than and of the same sign as the first neglected term.






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                                You can use the Taylor series for $log (1+x)$ to get
                                $$lnleft(1+frac 1kright)=frac 1k-frac 1{2k^2}+frac 1{3k^3}-frac1{4k^4}+ldots$$
                                Now apply the alternating series theorem which says if you truncate the alternating series the error is smaller than and of the same sign as the first neglected term.







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                                    Further Hint: The inequality suggested by gimusi $$x-frac{1}{2}x^2leq ln(1+x)leq xtext{ for }xgeq 0$$
                                    can be proven via Taylor's Theorem or via the inequality
                                    $$1-xleq frac{1}{1+x}leq 1text{ for }xgeq 0,.$$






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                                    Further Hint: The inequality suggested by gimusi $$x-frac{1}{2}x^2leq ln(1+x)leq xtext{ for }xgeq 0$$
                                    can be proven via Taylor's Theorem or via the inequality
                                    $$1-xleq frac{1}{1+x}leq 1text{ for }xgeq 0,.$$






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                                    Further Hint: The inequality suggested by gimusi $$x-frac{1}{2}x^2leq ln(1+x)leq xtext{ for }xgeq 0$$
                                    can be proven via Taylor's Theorem or via the inequality
                                    $$1-xleq frac{1}{1+x}leq 1text{ for }xgeq 0,.$$






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                                    Further Hint: The inequality suggested by gimusi $$x-frac{1}{2}x^2leq ln(1+x)leq xtext{ for }xgeq 0$$
                                    can be proven via Taylor's Theorem or via the inequality
                                    $$1-xleq frac{1}{1+x}leq 1text{ for }xgeq 0,.$$







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                                    • Thanks for the quote. Yes I would suggest the simpler second way by derivatives.
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                                    Thanks for the quote. Yes I would suggest the simpler second way by derivatives.
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                                    Thanks for the quote. Yes I would suggest the simpler second way by derivatives.
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                                    Hint: $lnleft(1+frac1k right)=int_k^{k+1}frac1x dx$



                                    Also on $[k,k+1]$ we have $frac1{k+1} le frac1x le frac1k $, with strict inequality over most of the interval.



                                    Then since the interval is of length $1$, we have
                                    $$ frac1{k+1} <int_k^{k+1}frac1x dx <frac1k $$
                                    So
                                    $$ frac1{k+1} <lnleft( 1+frac1kright) <frac1k $$
                                    Then see if you can manipulate this inequality to what you need.






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                                      Hint: $lnleft(1+frac1k right)=int_k^{k+1}frac1x dx$



                                      Also on $[k,k+1]$ we have $frac1{k+1} le frac1x le frac1k $, with strict inequality over most of the interval.



                                      Then since the interval is of length $1$, we have
                                      $$ frac1{k+1} <int_k^{k+1}frac1x dx <frac1k $$
                                      So
                                      $$ frac1{k+1} <lnleft( 1+frac1kright) <frac1k $$
                                      Then see if you can manipulate this inequality to what you need.






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                                        Hint: $lnleft(1+frac1k right)=int_k^{k+1}frac1x dx$



                                        Also on $[k,k+1]$ we have $frac1{k+1} le frac1x le frac1k $, with strict inequality over most of the interval.



                                        Then since the interval is of length $1$, we have
                                        $$ frac1{k+1} <int_k^{k+1}frac1x dx <frac1k $$
                                        So
                                        $$ frac1{k+1} <lnleft( 1+frac1kright) <frac1k $$
                                        Then see if you can manipulate this inequality to what you need.






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                                        Hint: $lnleft(1+frac1k right)=int_k^{k+1}frac1x dx$



                                        Also on $[k,k+1]$ we have $frac1{k+1} le frac1x le frac1k $, with strict inequality over most of the interval.



                                        Then since the interval is of length $1$, we have
                                        $$ frac1{k+1} <int_k^{k+1}frac1x dx <frac1k $$
                                        So
                                        $$ frac1{k+1} <lnleft( 1+frac1kright) <frac1k $$
                                        Then see if you can manipulate this inequality to what you need.







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                                            Let
                                            $$
                                            x_n=left(1+frac 1nright)^n
                                            $$

                                            It's well known that $x_n$ is strictly crescent and converges to $e$. Then
                                            $$
                                            left(1+frac 1kright)^k<eRightarrow klnleft(1+frac 1kright) < 1Rightarrow frac 1k - lnleft(1+frac 1kright) > 0
                                            $$



                                            Consider now the function
                                            $$
                                            f(x)=frac 1{2x^2}-frac 1x + lnleft(1+frac 1xright)
                                            $$

                                            then
                                            $$
                                            f'(x)=-frac 1{x^3} +frac 1{x^2} -frac 1{x(x+1)}=frac{-x-1+x^2+x-x^2}{x^3(x+1)}<0
                                            $$

                                            so $f$ is strictly decreasing then



                                            $$
                                            f(n)>lim_{xrightarrow +infty}f(x)=0Leftrightarrow frac 1{2x^2}>frac 1k-lnleft(1+frac 1kright)
                                            $$






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                                              Let
                                              $$
                                              x_n=left(1+frac 1nright)^n
                                              $$

                                              It's well known that $x_n$ is strictly crescent and converges to $e$. Then
                                              $$
                                              left(1+frac 1kright)^k<eRightarrow klnleft(1+frac 1kright) < 1Rightarrow frac 1k - lnleft(1+frac 1kright) > 0
                                              $$



                                              Consider now the function
                                              $$
                                              f(x)=frac 1{2x^2}-frac 1x + lnleft(1+frac 1xright)
                                              $$

                                              then
                                              $$
                                              f'(x)=-frac 1{x^3} +frac 1{x^2} -frac 1{x(x+1)}=frac{-x-1+x^2+x-x^2}{x^3(x+1)}<0
                                              $$

                                              so $f$ is strictly decreasing then



                                              $$
                                              f(n)>lim_{xrightarrow +infty}f(x)=0Leftrightarrow frac 1{2x^2}>frac 1k-lnleft(1+frac 1kright)
                                              $$






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                                                Let
                                                $$
                                                x_n=left(1+frac 1nright)^n
                                                $$

                                                It's well known that $x_n$ is strictly crescent and converges to $e$. Then
                                                $$
                                                left(1+frac 1kright)^k<eRightarrow klnleft(1+frac 1kright) < 1Rightarrow frac 1k - lnleft(1+frac 1kright) > 0
                                                $$



                                                Consider now the function
                                                $$
                                                f(x)=frac 1{2x^2}-frac 1x + lnleft(1+frac 1xright)
                                                $$

                                                then
                                                $$
                                                f'(x)=-frac 1{x^3} +frac 1{x^2} -frac 1{x(x+1)}=frac{-x-1+x^2+x-x^2}{x^3(x+1)}<0
                                                $$

                                                so $f$ is strictly decreasing then



                                                $$
                                                f(n)>lim_{xrightarrow +infty}f(x)=0Leftrightarrow frac 1{2x^2}>frac 1k-lnleft(1+frac 1kright)
                                                $$






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                                                Let
                                                $$
                                                x_n=left(1+frac 1nright)^n
                                                $$

                                                It's well known that $x_n$ is strictly crescent and converges to $e$. Then
                                                $$
                                                left(1+frac 1kright)^k<eRightarrow klnleft(1+frac 1kright) < 1Rightarrow frac 1k - lnleft(1+frac 1kright) > 0
                                                $$



                                                Consider now the function
                                                $$
                                                f(x)=frac 1{2x^2}-frac 1x + lnleft(1+frac 1xright)
                                                $$

                                                then
                                                $$
                                                f'(x)=-frac 1{x^3} +frac 1{x^2} -frac 1{x(x+1)}=frac{-x-1+x^2+x-x^2}{x^3(x+1)}<0
                                                $$

                                                so $f$ is strictly decreasing then



                                                $$
                                                f(n)>lim_{xrightarrow +infty}f(x)=0Leftrightarrow frac 1{2x^2}>frac 1k-lnleft(1+frac 1kright)
                                                $$







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                                                    $$ log(1+tfrac{1}{k})=log(k+1)-log(k)=int_{k}^{k+1}frac{dx}{x}=int_{0}^{1}frac{dx}{x+k} tag{1}$$



                                                    $$ tfrac{1}{k}-logleft(1+tfrac{1}{k}right)=int_{0}^{1}left[frac{1}{k}-frac{1}{x+k}right],dx=frac{1}{k}int_{0}^{1}frac{x}{x+k},dxtag{2} $$



                                                    $$ frac{1}{k}int_{0}^{1}frac{x}{x+k},dx leq frac{1}{k}int_{0}^{1}frac{x}{k},dx = frac{1}{2k^2}.tag{3} $$



                                                    Improving the approximation through the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality:



                                                    $$ tfrac{1}{k}-logleft(1+tfrac{1}{k}right)approx frac{1}{k}sqrt{int_{0}^{1}x,dxint_{0}^{1}frac{x,dx }{(x+k)^2}}=tfrac{1}{ksqrt{2}}sqrt{logleft(1+tfrac{1}{k}right)-tfrac{1}{k+1}} $$
                                                    we get:
                                                    $$ logleft(1+frac{1}{k}right)approx frac{1+k(5+4k)-sqrt{(1+k)(1+9k)}}{4k^2(1+k)}.tag{4}$$
                                                    This is very accurate for large values of $k$ and acceptable for $kapprox 1$. For instance, the error of $log(2)approxfrac{5-sqrt{5}}{4}$ got by setting $k=1$ is not much larger than $2cdot 10^{-3}$.






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                                                      $$ log(1+tfrac{1}{k})=log(k+1)-log(k)=int_{k}^{k+1}frac{dx}{x}=int_{0}^{1}frac{dx}{x+k} tag{1}$$



                                                      $$ tfrac{1}{k}-logleft(1+tfrac{1}{k}right)=int_{0}^{1}left[frac{1}{k}-frac{1}{x+k}right],dx=frac{1}{k}int_{0}^{1}frac{x}{x+k},dxtag{2} $$



                                                      $$ frac{1}{k}int_{0}^{1}frac{x}{x+k},dx leq frac{1}{k}int_{0}^{1}frac{x}{k},dx = frac{1}{2k^2}.tag{3} $$



                                                      Improving the approximation through the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality:



                                                      $$ tfrac{1}{k}-logleft(1+tfrac{1}{k}right)approx frac{1}{k}sqrt{int_{0}^{1}x,dxint_{0}^{1}frac{x,dx }{(x+k)^2}}=tfrac{1}{ksqrt{2}}sqrt{logleft(1+tfrac{1}{k}right)-tfrac{1}{k+1}} $$
                                                      we get:
                                                      $$ logleft(1+frac{1}{k}right)approx frac{1+k(5+4k)-sqrt{(1+k)(1+9k)}}{4k^2(1+k)}.tag{4}$$
                                                      This is very accurate for large values of $k$ and acceptable for $kapprox 1$. For instance, the error of $log(2)approxfrac{5-sqrt{5}}{4}$ got by setting $k=1$ is not much larger than $2cdot 10^{-3}$.






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                                                        $$ log(1+tfrac{1}{k})=log(k+1)-log(k)=int_{k}^{k+1}frac{dx}{x}=int_{0}^{1}frac{dx}{x+k} tag{1}$$



                                                        $$ tfrac{1}{k}-logleft(1+tfrac{1}{k}right)=int_{0}^{1}left[frac{1}{k}-frac{1}{x+k}right],dx=frac{1}{k}int_{0}^{1}frac{x}{x+k},dxtag{2} $$



                                                        $$ frac{1}{k}int_{0}^{1}frac{x}{x+k},dx leq frac{1}{k}int_{0}^{1}frac{x}{k},dx = frac{1}{2k^2}.tag{3} $$



                                                        Improving the approximation through the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality:



                                                        $$ tfrac{1}{k}-logleft(1+tfrac{1}{k}right)approx frac{1}{k}sqrt{int_{0}^{1}x,dxint_{0}^{1}frac{x,dx }{(x+k)^2}}=tfrac{1}{ksqrt{2}}sqrt{logleft(1+tfrac{1}{k}right)-tfrac{1}{k+1}} $$
                                                        we get:
                                                        $$ logleft(1+frac{1}{k}right)approx frac{1+k(5+4k)-sqrt{(1+k)(1+9k)}}{4k^2(1+k)}.tag{4}$$
                                                        This is very accurate for large values of $k$ and acceptable for $kapprox 1$. For instance, the error of $log(2)approxfrac{5-sqrt{5}}{4}$ got by setting $k=1$ is not much larger than $2cdot 10^{-3}$.






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                                                        $$ log(1+tfrac{1}{k})=log(k+1)-log(k)=int_{k}^{k+1}frac{dx}{x}=int_{0}^{1}frac{dx}{x+k} tag{1}$$



                                                        $$ tfrac{1}{k}-logleft(1+tfrac{1}{k}right)=int_{0}^{1}left[frac{1}{k}-frac{1}{x+k}right],dx=frac{1}{k}int_{0}^{1}frac{x}{x+k},dxtag{2} $$



                                                        $$ frac{1}{k}int_{0}^{1}frac{x}{x+k},dx leq frac{1}{k}int_{0}^{1}frac{x}{k},dx = frac{1}{2k^2}.tag{3} $$



                                                        Improving the approximation through the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality:



                                                        $$ tfrac{1}{k}-logleft(1+tfrac{1}{k}right)approx frac{1}{k}sqrt{int_{0}^{1}x,dxint_{0}^{1}frac{x,dx }{(x+k)^2}}=tfrac{1}{ksqrt{2}}sqrt{logleft(1+tfrac{1}{k}right)-tfrac{1}{k+1}} $$
                                                        we get:
                                                        $$ logleft(1+frac{1}{k}right)approx frac{1+k(5+4k)-sqrt{(1+k)(1+9k)}}{4k^2(1+k)}.tag{4}$$
                                                        This is very accurate for large values of $k$ and acceptable for $kapprox 1$. For instance, the error of $log(2)approxfrac{5-sqrt{5}}{4}$ got by setting $k=1$ is not much larger than $2cdot 10^{-3}$.







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