Why the isometry group is not the orthogonal group?











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I found the following result:




If $V$ is a euclidean vector space of finite dimension $n$ and $B$ is an orthonormal basis of $V$, then an endomorphism $f:Vto V$ is an isometry iff its matrix respect to $B$ is orthogonal.




The proof is not hard. If $f$ is an isometry and $A$ is its matrix respect to $B$, then
begin{equation*}
X^top mathbb{I} Y =langle x, y rangle =langle f(x),f(y)rangle =(AX)^top mathbb{I} (AY)=X^top A^top A Y,
end{equation*}

where $X$ and $Y$ are the coordinates of the vectors $x$ and $y$ with respect to $B$, respectively. As the vectors were arbitrarily chosen, it follows that $A^top A=mathbb{I}$, so $A$ is orthonormal. The reciprocal statement is obvious from this.



Then, I thought that the orthogonal group can be equal to the isometry group, but I read that this is not true: the isometry group has order $n(n+1)/2$ (because include the traslations) and the orthogonal group has order $n(n-1)/2$. However, I cannot see why is this way.










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    Do you know what "include the translations" means?
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    Nov 19 at 22:41






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    Not all isometries are endomorphisms; only those that fix the origin are.
    – Travis
    Nov 19 at 22:41










  • What does it mean, @EricWofsey?
    – user326159
    Nov 19 at 22:49










  • I was thinking about it. The orthogonal group is the linear isometry group?
    – user326159
    Nov 19 at 23:19






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    Presumably "order" in the question was supposed to be "dimension".
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I found the following result:




If $V$ is a euclidean vector space of finite dimension $n$ and $B$ is an orthonormal basis of $V$, then an endomorphism $f:Vto V$ is an isometry iff its matrix respect to $B$ is orthogonal.




The proof is not hard. If $f$ is an isometry and $A$ is its matrix respect to $B$, then
begin{equation*}
X^top mathbb{I} Y =langle x, y rangle =langle f(x),f(y)rangle =(AX)^top mathbb{I} (AY)=X^top A^top A Y,
end{equation*}

where $X$ and $Y$ are the coordinates of the vectors $x$ and $y$ with respect to $B$, respectively. As the vectors were arbitrarily chosen, it follows that $A^top A=mathbb{I}$, so $A$ is orthonormal. The reciprocal statement is obvious from this.



Then, I thought that the orthogonal group can be equal to the isometry group, but I read that this is not true: the isometry group has order $n(n+1)/2$ (because include the traslations) and the orthogonal group has order $n(n-1)/2$. However, I cannot see why is this way.










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  • 4




    Do you know what "include the translations" means?
    – Eric Wofsey
    Nov 19 at 22:41






  • 3




    Not all isometries are endomorphisms; only those that fix the origin are.
    – Travis
    Nov 19 at 22:41










  • What does it mean, @EricWofsey?
    – user326159
    Nov 19 at 22:49










  • I was thinking about it. The orthogonal group is the linear isometry group?
    – user326159
    Nov 19 at 23:19






  • 1




    Presumably "order" in the question was supposed to be "dimension".
    – Andreas Blass
    Nov 20 at 2:37













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2
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I found the following result:




If $V$ is a euclidean vector space of finite dimension $n$ and $B$ is an orthonormal basis of $V$, then an endomorphism $f:Vto V$ is an isometry iff its matrix respect to $B$ is orthogonal.




The proof is not hard. If $f$ is an isometry and $A$ is its matrix respect to $B$, then
begin{equation*}
X^top mathbb{I} Y =langle x, y rangle =langle f(x),f(y)rangle =(AX)^top mathbb{I} (AY)=X^top A^top A Y,
end{equation*}

where $X$ and $Y$ are the coordinates of the vectors $x$ and $y$ with respect to $B$, respectively. As the vectors were arbitrarily chosen, it follows that $A^top A=mathbb{I}$, so $A$ is orthonormal. The reciprocal statement is obvious from this.



Then, I thought that the orthogonal group can be equal to the isometry group, but I read that this is not true: the isometry group has order $n(n+1)/2$ (because include the traslations) and the orthogonal group has order $n(n-1)/2$. However, I cannot see why is this way.










share|cite|improve this question















I found the following result:




If $V$ is a euclidean vector space of finite dimension $n$ and $B$ is an orthonormal basis of $V$, then an endomorphism $f:Vto V$ is an isometry iff its matrix respect to $B$ is orthogonal.




The proof is not hard. If $f$ is an isometry and $A$ is its matrix respect to $B$, then
begin{equation*}
X^top mathbb{I} Y =langle x, y rangle =langle f(x),f(y)rangle =(AX)^top mathbb{I} (AY)=X^top A^top A Y,
end{equation*}

where $X$ and $Y$ are the coordinates of the vectors $x$ and $y$ with respect to $B$, respectively. As the vectors were arbitrarily chosen, it follows that $A^top A=mathbb{I}$, so $A$ is orthonormal. The reciprocal statement is obvious from this.



Then, I thought that the orthogonal group can be equal to the isometry group, but I read that this is not true: the isometry group has order $n(n+1)/2$ (because include the traslations) and the orthogonal group has order $n(n-1)/2$. However, I cannot see why is this way.







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  • 4




    Do you know what "include the translations" means?
    – Eric Wofsey
    Nov 19 at 22:41






  • 3




    Not all isometries are endomorphisms; only those that fix the origin are.
    – Travis
    Nov 19 at 22:41










  • What does it mean, @EricWofsey?
    – user326159
    Nov 19 at 22:49










  • I was thinking about it. The orthogonal group is the linear isometry group?
    – user326159
    Nov 19 at 23:19






  • 1




    Presumably "order" in the question was supposed to be "dimension".
    – Andreas Blass
    Nov 20 at 2:37














  • 4




    Do you know what "include the translations" means?
    – Eric Wofsey
    Nov 19 at 22:41






  • 3




    Not all isometries are endomorphisms; only those that fix the origin are.
    – Travis
    Nov 19 at 22:41










  • What does it mean, @EricWofsey?
    – user326159
    Nov 19 at 22:49










  • I was thinking about it. The orthogonal group is the linear isometry group?
    – user326159
    Nov 19 at 23:19






  • 1




    Presumably "order" in the question was supposed to be "dimension".
    – Andreas Blass
    Nov 20 at 2:37








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4




Do you know what "include the translations" means?
– Eric Wofsey
Nov 19 at 22:41




Do you know what "include the translations" means?
– Eric Wofsey
Nov 19 at 22:41




3




3




Not all isometries are endomorphisms; only those that fix the origin are.
– Travis
Nov 19 at 22:41




Not all isometries are endomorphisms; only those that fix the origin are.
– Travis
Nov 19 at 22:41












What does it mean, @EricWofsey?
– user326159
Nov 19 at 22:49




What does it mean, @EricWofsey?
– user326159
Nov 19 at 22:49












I was thinking about it. The orthogonal group is the linear isometry group?
– user326159
Nov 19 at 23:19




I was thinking about it. The orthogonal group is the linear isometry group?
– user326159
Nov 19 at 23:19




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1




Presumably "order" in the question was supposed to be "dimension".
– Andreas Blass
Nov 20 at 2:37




Presumably "order" in the question was supposed to be "dimension".
– Andreas Blass
Nov 20 at 2:37










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Translations aren't linear (they don't take $0$ to $0$); but are isometries. There are $n$ dimensions of translations in dimension $n$, accounting for the difference.






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    Translations aren't linear (they don't take $0$ to $0$); but are isometries. There are $n$ dimensions of translations in dimension $n$, accounting for the difference.






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      Translations aren't linear (they don't take $0$ to $0$); but are isometries. There are $n$ dimensions of translations in dimension $n$, accounting for the difference.






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        Translations aren't linear (they don't take $0$ to $0$); but are isometries. There are $n$ dimensions of translations in dimension $n$, accounting for the difference.






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        Translations aren't linear (they don't take $0$ to $0$); but are isometries. There are $n$ dimensions of translations in dimension $n$, accounting for the difference.







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