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To my humble opinion, please correct me if I'm wrong, RSA-PSS (PKCS#1 ver 2.1) advantage over RSA as described in PKCS#1 ver. 1.5 is in its security proofs. Does this proof and the advantage is still there even if the "salt" in the RSA-PSS scheme is constant over all messages, or it conditioned in generating a random salt each and every signature? That is, does the security proof of RSA-PSS assumes random salt over messages?
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To my humble opinion, please correct me if I'm wrong, RSA-PSS (PKCS#1 ver 2.1) advantage over RSA as described in PKCS#1 ver. 1.5 is in its security proofs. Does this proof and the advantage is still there even if the "salt" in the RSA-PSS scheme is constant over all messages, or it conditioned in generating a random salt each and every signature? That is, does the security proof of RSA-PSS assumes random salt over messages?
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Related to Why use randomness in digital signature algorithms?.
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To my humble opinion, please correct me if I'm wrong, RSA-PSS (PKCS#1 ver 2.1) advantage over RSA as described in PKCS#1 ver. 1.5 is in its security proofs. Does this proof and the advantage is still there even if the "salt" in the RSA-PSS scheme is constant over all messages, or it conditioned in generating a random salt each and every signature? That is, does the security proof of RSA-PSS assumes random salt over messages?
rsa signature salt digital
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Evgeni Vaknin
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To my humble opinion, please correct me if I'm wrong, RSA-PSS (PKCS#1 ver 2.1) advantage over RSA as described in PKCS#1 ver. 1.5 is in its security proofs. Does this proof and the advantage is still there even if the "salt" in the RSA-PSS scheme is constant over all messages, or it conditioned in generating a random salt each and every signature? That is, does the security proof of RSA-PSS assumes random salt over messages?
rsa signature salt digital
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Related to Why use randomness in digital signature algorithms?.
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Even if we make RSASSA-PSS deterministic by fixing its seed, it remains with a security proof in the Random Oracle Model per Full Domain Hashing (Jean-Sébastien Coron, On the Exact Security of Full Domain Hashing, in proceedings of Crypto 2000). We can't say the same for RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5, because a lot of the message representative is fixed.
In practice, a better argument to use deterministic RSASSA-PSS rather than RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 is that vulnerable implementations of verification of RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 abound, when I know no vulnerable implementation of RSASSA-PSS verification (regardless of randomization), and this is less likely to happen accidentally.
However a practical argument against RSASSA-PSS is that it requires careful specification of the hash and the mask generation function: even if the later is almost universally MGF1, that could be with another hash (e.g. stuck to SHA-1) depending on implementations.
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Could you give an example on how RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 is vulnerable and an example? Or should I ask this in a separate question? Maarten.
– Maarten Bodewes
13 hours ago
@Maarten Bodewes: RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 as specified has no known vulnerability. Some incorrect implementations of its signature verification step are vulnerable. Example among dozens: CVE-2014-9934. For something more detailed, a questions seems in order, but I do not know if it is for crypto.se or security.se.
– fgrieu
13 hours ago
Yeah, if you skip validating the padding in its entirety then it may be vulnerable :P The incompetence of some people in the field is just astonishing. Goodness gracious. Thanks anyway. I'll leave it at that.
– Maarten Bodewes
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Even if we make RSASSA-PSS deterministic by fixing its seed, it remains with a security proof in the Random Oracle Model per Full Domain Hashing (Jean-Sébastien Coron, On the Exact Security of Full Domain Hashing, in proceedings of Crypto 2000). We can't say the same for RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5, because a lot of the message representative is fixed.
In practice, a better argument to use deterministic RSASSA-PSS rather than RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 is that vulnerable implementations of verification of RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 abound, when I know no vulnerable implementation of RSASSA-PSS verification (regardless of randomization), and this is less likely to happen accidentally.
However a practical argument against RSASSA-PSS is that it requires careful specification of the hash and the mask generation function: even if the later is almost universally MGF1, that could be with another hash (e.g. stuck to SHA-1) depending on implementations.
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fgrieu
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Could you give an example on how RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 is vulnerable and an example? Or should I ask this in a separate question? Maarten.
– Maarten Bodewes
13 hours ago
@Maarten Bodewes: RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 as specified has no known vulnerability. Some incorrect implementations of its signature verification step are vulnerable. Example among dozens: CVE-2014-9934. For something more detailed, a questions seems in order, but I do not know if it is for crypto.se or security.se.
– fgrieu
13 hours ago
Yeah, if you skip validating the padding in its entirety then it may be vulnerable :P The incompetence of some people in the field is just astonishing. Goodness gracious. Thanks anyway. I'll leave it at that.
– Maarten Bodewes
13 hours ago
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Even if we make RSASSA-PSS deterministic by fixing its seed, it remains with a security proof in the Random Oracle Model per Full Domain Hashing (Jean-Sébastien Coron, On the Exact Security of Full Domain Hashing, in proceedings of Crypto 2000). We can't say the same for RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5, because a lot of the message representative is fixed.
In practice, a better argument to use deterministic RSASSA-PSS rather than RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 is that vulnerable implementations of verification of RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 abound, when I know no vulnerable implementation of RSASSA-PSS verification (regardless of randomization), and this is less likely to happen accidentally.
However a practical argument against RSASSA-PSS is that it requires careful specification of the hash and the mask generation function: even if the later is almost universally MGF1, that could be with another hash (e.g. stuck to SHA-1) depending on implementations.
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fgrieu
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Could you give an example on how RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 is vulnerable and an example? Or should I ask this in a separate question? Maarten.
– Maarten Bodewes
13 hours ago
@Maarten Bodewes: RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 as specified has no known vulnerability. Some incorrect implementations of its signature verification step are vulnerable. Example among dozens: CVE-2014-9934. For something more detailed, a questions seems in order, but I do not know if it is for crypto.se or security.se.
– fgrieu
13 hours ago
Yeah, if you skip validating the padding in its entirety then it may be vulnerable :P The incompetence of some people in the field is just astonishing. Goodness gracious. Thanks anyway. I'll leave it at that.
– Maarten Bodewes
13 hours ago
add a comment |
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Even if we make RSASSA-PSS deterministic by fixing its seed, it remains with a security proof in the Random Oracle Model per Full Domain Hashing (Jean-Sébastien Coron, On the Exact Security of Full Domain Hashing, in proceedings of Crypto 2000). We can't say the same for RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5, because a lot of the message representative is fixed.
In practice, a better argument to use deterministic RSASSA-PSS rather than RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 is that vulnerable implementations of verification of RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 abound, when I know no vulnerable implementation of RSASSA-PSS verification (regardless of randomization), and this is less likely to happen accidentally.
However a practical argument against RSASSA-PSS is that it requires careful specification of the hash and the mask generation function: even if the later is almost universally MGF1, that could be with another hash (e.g. stuck to SHA-1) depending on implementations.
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fgrieu
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Even if we make RSASSA-PSS deterministic by fixing its seed, it remains with a security proof in the Random Oracle Model per Full Domain Hashing (Jean-Sébastien Coron, On the Exact Security of Full Domain Hashing, in proceedings of Crypto 2000). We can't say the same for RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5, because a lot of the message representative is fixed.
In practice, a better argument to use deterministic RSASSA-PSS rather than RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 is that vulnerable implementations of verification of RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 abound, when I know no vulnerable implementation of RSASSA-PSS verification (regardless of randomization), and this is less likely to happen accidentally.
However a practical argument against RSASSA-PSS is that it requires careful specification of the hash and the mask generation function: even if the later is almost universally MGF1, that could be with another hash (e.g. stuck to SHA-1) depending on implementations.
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Could you give an example on how RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 is vulnerable and an example? Or should I ask this in a separate question? Maarten.
– Maarten Bodewes
13 hours ago
@Maarten Bodewes: RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 as specified has no known vulnerability. Some incorrect implementations of its signature verification step are vulnerable. Example among dozens: CVE-2014-9934. For something more detailed, a questions seems in order, but I do not know if it is for crypto.se or security.se.
– fgrieu
13 hours ago
Yeah, if you skip validating the padding in its entirety then it may be vulnerable :P The incompetence of some people in the field is just astonishing. Goodness gracious. Thanks anyway. I'll leave it at that.
– Maarten Bodewes
13 hours ago
add a comment |
Could you give an example on how RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 is vulnerable and an example? Or should I ask this in a separate question? Maarten.
– Maarten Bodewes
13 hours ago
@Maarten Bodewes: RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 as specified has no known vulnerability. Some incorrect implementations of its signature verification step are vulnerable. Example among dozens: CVE-2014-9934. For something more detailed, a questions seems in order, but I do not know if it is for crypto.se or security.se.
– fgrieu
13 hours ago
Yeah, if you skip validating the padding in its entirety then it may be vulnerable :P The incompetence of some people in the field is just astonishing. Goodness gracious. Thanks anyway. I'll leave it at that.
– Maarten Bodewes
13 hours ago
Could you give an example on how RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 is vulnerable and an example? Or should I ask this in a separate question? Maarten.
– Maarten Bodewes
13 hours ago
Could you give an example on how RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 is vulnerable and an example? Or should I ask this in a separate question? Maarten.
– Maarten Bodewes
13 hours ago
@Maarten Bodewes: RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 as specified has no known vulnerability. Some incorrect implementations of its signature verification step are vulnerable. Example among dozens: CVE-2014-9934. For something more detailed, a questions seems in order, but I do not know if it is for crypto.se or security.se.
– fgrieu
13 hours ago
@Maarten Bodewes: RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 as specified has no known vulnerability. Some incorrect implementations of its signature verification step are vulnerable. Example among dozens: CVE-2014-9934. For something more detailed, a questions seems in order, but I do not know if it is for crypto.se or security.se.
– fgrieu
13 hours ago
Yeah, if you skip validating the padding in its entirety then it may be vulnerable :P The incompetence of some people in the field is just astonishing. Goodness gracious. Thanks anyway. I'll leave it at that.
– Maarten Bodewes
13 hours ago
Yeah, if you skip validating the padding in its entirety then it may be vulnerable :P The incompetence of some people in the field is just astonishing. Goodness gracious. Thanks anyway. I'll leave it at that.
– Maarten Bodewes
13 hours ago
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