LCM and GCD polynomial relationship
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I need some help with constructing a proof for the following statement,$ frac{P_1 P_2}{hcf(m,n)} = lcm(P_1,P_2)$ where $P_1$ and $P_2$ are polynomials with real coefficients.
I know how to do the same for integers using prime factors and their exponents but not sure where to go with polynomials.
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I need some help with constructing a proof for the following statement,$ frac{P_1 P_2}{hcf(m,n)} = lcm(P_1,P_2)$ where $P_1$ and $P_2$ are polynomials with real coefficients.
I know how to do the same for integers using prime factors and their exponents but not sure where to go with polynomials.
polynomials proof-explanation greatest-common-divisor least-common-multiple
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I need some help with constructing a proof for the following statement,$ frac{P_1 P_2}{hcf(m,n)} = lcm(P_1,P_2)$ where $P_1$ and $P_2$ are polynomials with real coefficients.
I know how to do the same for integers using prime factors and their exponents but not sure where to go with polynomials.
polynomials proof-explanation greatest-common-divisor least-common-multiple
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I need some help with constructing a proof for the following statement,$ frac{P_1 P_2}{hcf(m,n)} = lcm(P_1,P_2)$ where $P_1$ and $P_2$ are polynomials with real coefficients.
I know how to do the same for integers using prime factors and their exponents but not sure where to go with polynomials.
polynomials proof-explanation greatest-common-divisor least-common-multiple
polynomials proof-explanation greatest-common-divisor least-common-multiple
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Do it the exact same way. Suppose that the hcf/gcd of $P_1$ and $P_2$ is $G$. Because $G$ is a factor of $P_1$, there exists an $R_1$ such that $P_1$ is equal to $R_1G$, and likewise $P_2$ equals some $R_2G$.
$P_1P_2 = R_1R_2GG$
${P_1P_2 over G} = R_1R_2G$
$R_1$ and $R_2$ can have no factors in common as any factor $H$ could be multiplied by $G$ to obtain a new GCD.
Because $R_1R_2G$ is a multiple of $R_1G$, it is a multiple of $P_1$, and likewise for $P_2$. It is a multiple of both, and no factor can be removed which would preserve its multiplicity. Therefore, it is the Least Common Multiple.
Q.E.D.
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This proof works in any gcd domain. We use the $,overbrace{{rm involution}, x' :=, ab/x}^{rmlarge cofactor duality } $ on the divisors of $rm:ab,,$ which exposes $ $ cofactor reflection $,rm xmid ycolor{#c00}iff y'mid x', $ by ${, rmdfrac{y}x = dfrac{x'}{y'} }$ by $rm, yy'! = ab = xx'., $ Thus
$$begin{align}rm cmidgcd(a,b)!iff&rm cmid a,b\[3px]
color{#c00}iff& rm b',a'mid c'\[3px]
iff & rm lcm(b',a')mid c'\[3px]
color{#c00}iff & rm cmid lcm(b',a')' \
{rm Thus}rmquad gcd(a,b), cong &rm , lcm(b',a')'= dfrac{ab}{lcm(a,b)}
end{align}quad $$
Above the black arrows are the definition of gcd and lcm, and the red arrows are cofactor reflections, and $,acong b,$ means $,a,b,$ are associates, i.e. $,amid bmid a$.
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It works pretty much the same for integers if you modify the argument a little. Let $L = lcm(P_1, P_2)$ and $G=gcd(P_1, P_2)$. Then
$$P_1 = Gh_1, P_2 = Gh_2,$$
with $gcd(h_1, h_2) = 1$. It's easy to see that $P_1$ and $P_2$ both divides $Gh_1h_2$ so $L$ also divides $Gh_1h_2$. Assume that
$$ Gh_1h_2 = Lh,$$
then $P_1 h_2 = L h$, or $h_2 = frac{L}{P_1} h$. That is, $h$ divides $h_2$. Similarly $h$ divides $h_1$. Since $gcd(h_1,h_2)=1$, $h$ must be as scalar as well. In other words
$$L= Gh_1h_2 = frac{P_1P_2}{G}.$$
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Think of the irreducible factors of P$_1$ and P$_2$ as your prime factors. Suppose P$_1$ = gcd(P$_1$,P$_2$)($q_1q_2ldots q_n$) and P$_2$=gcd(P$_1$,P$_2$)($r_1r_2ldots r_m$).
Thus
$$frac{P_1P_2}{gcd(P_1,P_2)}=gcd(P_1,P_2)(q_1ldots q_n)(r_1 ldots r_m).$$
Note that the numerator has [gcd(P$_1$,P$_2$)]$^2$ as a factor.
So the RHS is a common multiple of P$_1$ and P$_2$. You should be able to show that if there is a "smaller" lcm, then we can get a "larger" gcd.
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Do it the exact same way. Suppose that the hcf/gcd of $P_1$ and $P_2$ is $G$. Because $G$ is a factor of $P_1$, there exists an $R_1$ such that $P_1$ is equal to $R_1G$, and likewise $P_2$ equals some $R_2G$.
$P_1P_2 = R_1R_2GG$
${P_1P_2 over G} = R_1R_2G$
$R_1$ and $R_2$ can have no factors in common as any factor $H$ could be multiplied by $G$ to obtain a new GCD.
Because $R_1R_2G$ is a multiple of $R_1G$, it is a multiple of $P_1$, and likewise for $P_2$. It is a multiple of both, and no factor can be removed which would preserve its multiplicity. Therefore, it is the Least Common Multiple.
Q.E.D.
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Do it the exact same way. Suppose that the hcf/gcd of $P_1$ and $P_2$ is $G$. Because $G$ is a factor of $P_1$, there exists an $R_1$ such that $P_1$ is equal to $R_1G$, and likewise $P_2$ equals some $R_2G$.
$P_1P_2 = R_1R_2GG$
${P_1P_2 over G} = R_1R_2G$
$R_1$ and $R_2$ can have no factors in common as any factor $H$ could be multiplied by $G$ to obtain a new GCD.
Because $R_1R_2G$ is a multiple of $R_1G$, it is a multiple of $P_1$, and likewise for $P_2$. It is a multiple of both, and no factor can be removed which would preserve its multiplicity. Therefore, it is the Least Common Multiple.
Q.E.D.
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Do it the exact same way. Suppose that the hcf/gcd of $P_1$ and $P_2$ is $G$. Because $G$ is a factor of $P_1$, there exists an $R_1$ such that $P_1$ is equal to $R_1G$, and likewise $P_2$ equals some $R_2G$.
$P_1P_2 = R_1R_2GG$
${P_1P_2 over G} = R_1R_2G$
$R_1$ and $R_2$ can have no factors in common as any factor $H$ could be multiplied by $G$ to obtain a new GCD.
Because $R_1R_2G$ is a multiple of $R_1G$, it is a multiple of $P_1$, and likewise for $P_2$. It is a multiple of both, and no factor can be removed which would preserve its multiplicity. Therefore, it is the Least Common Multiple.
Q.E.D.
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Do it the exact same way. Suppose that the hcf/gcd of $P_1$ and $P_2$ is $G$. Because $G$ is a factor of $P_1$, there exists an $R_1$ such that $P_1$ is equal to $R_1G$, and likewise $P_2$ equals some $R_2G$.
$P_1P_2 = R_1R_2GG$
${P_1P_2 over G} = R_1R_2G$
$R_1$ and $R_2$ can have no factors in common as any factor $H$ could be multiplied by $G$ to obtain a new GCD.
Because $R_1R_2G$ is a multiple of $R_1G$, it is a multiple of $P_1$, and likewise for $P_2$. It is a multiple of both, and no factor can be removed which would preserve its multiplicity. Therefore, it is the Least Common Multiple.
Q.E.D.
answered Dec 28 '18 at 22:25
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This proof works in any gcd domain. We use the $,overbrace{{rm involution}, x' :=, ab/x}^{rmlarge cofactor duality } $ on the divisors of $rm:ab,,$ which exposes $ $ cofactor reflection $,rm xmid ycolor{#c00}iff y'mid x', $ by ${, rmdfrac{y}x = dfrac{x'}{y'} }$ by $rm, yy'! = ab = xx'., $ Thus
$$begin{align}rm cmidgcd(a,b)!iff&rm cmid a,b\[3px]
color{#c00}iff& rm b',a'mid c'\[3px]
iff & rm lcm(b',a')mid c'\[3px]
color{#c00}iff & rm cmid lcm(b',a')' \
{rm Thus}rmquad gcd(a,b), cong &rm , lcm(b',a')'= dfrac{ab}{lcm(a,b)}
end{align}quad $$
Above the black arrows are the definition of gcd and lcm, and the red arrows are cofactor reflections, and $,acong b,$ means $,a,b,$ are associates, i.e. $,amid bmid a$.
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This proof works in any gcd domain. We use the $,overbrace{{rm involution}, x' :=, ab/x}^{rmlarge cofactor duality } $ on the divisors of $rm:ab,,$ which exposes $ $ cofactor reflection $,rm xmid ycolor{#c00}iff y'mid x', $ by ${, rmdfrac{y}x = dfrac{x'}{y'} }$ by $rm, yy'! = ab = xx'., $ Thus
$$begin{align}rm cmidgcd(a,b)!iff&rm cmid a,b\[3px]
color{#c00}iff& rm b',a'mid c'\[3px]
iff & rm lcm(b',a')mid c'\[3px]
color{#c00}iff & rm cmid lcm(b',a')' \
{rm Thus}rmquad gcd(a,b), cong &rm , lcm(b',a')'= dfrac{ab}{lcm(a,b)}
end{align}quad $$
Above the black arrows are the definition of gcd and lcm, and the red arrows are cofactor reflections, and $,acong b,$ means $,a,b,$ are associates, i.e. $,amid bmid a$.
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This proof works in any gcd domain. We use the $,overbrace{{rm involution}, x' :=, ab/x}^{rmlarge cofactor duality } $ on the divisors of $rm:ab,,$ which exposes $ $ cofactor reflection $,rm xmid ycolor{#c00}iff y'mid x', $ by ${, rmdfrac{y}x = dfrac{x'}{y'} }$ by $rm, yy'! = ab = xx'., $ Thus
$$begin{align}rm cmidgcd(a,b)!iff&rm cmid a,b\[3px]
color{#c00}iff& rm b',a'mid c'\[3px]
iff & rm lcm(b',a')mid c'\[3px]
color{#c00}iff & rm cmid lcm(b',a')' \
{rm Thus}rmquad gcd(a,b), cong &rm , lcm(b',a')'= dfrac{ab}{lcm(a,b)}
end{align}quad $$
Above the black arrows are the definition of gcd and lcm, and the red arrows are cofactor reflections, and $,acong b,$ means $,a,b,$ are associates, i.e. $,amid bmid a$.
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This proof works in any gcd domain. We use the $,overbrace{{rm involution}, x' :=, ab/x}^{rmlarge cofactor duality } $ on the divisors of $rm:ab,,$ which exposes $ $ cofactor reflection $,rm xmid ycolor{#c00}iff y'mid x', $ by ${, rmdfrac{y}x = dfrac{x'}{y'} }$ by $rm, yy'! = ab = xx'., $ Thus
$$begin{align}rm cmidgcd(a,b)!iff&rm cmid a,b\[3px]
color{#c00}iff& rm b',a'mid c'\[3px]
iff & rm lcm(b',a')mid c'\[3px]
color{#c00}iff & rm cmid lcm(b',a')' \
{rm Thus}rmquad gcd(a,b), cong &rm , lcm(b',a')'= dfrac{ab}{lcm(a,b)}
end{align}quad $$
Above the black arrows are the definition of gcd and lcm, and the red arrows are cofactor reflections, and $,acong b,$ means $,a,b,$ are associates, i.e. $,amid bmid a$.
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answered Dec 28 '18 at 22:56
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It works pretty much the same for integers if you modify the argument a little. Let $L = lcm(P_1, P_2)$ and $G=gcd(P_1, P_2)$. Then
$$P_1 = Gh_1, P_2 = Gh_2,$$
with $gcd(h_1, h_2) = 1$. It's easy to see that $P_1$ and $P_2$ both divides $Gh_1h_2$ so $L$ also divides $Gh_1h_2$. Assume that
$$ Gh_1h_2 = Lh,$$
then $P_1 h_2 = L h$, or $h_2 = frac{L}{P_1} h$. That is, $h$ divides $h_2$. Similarly $h$ divides $h_1$. Since $gcd(h_1,h_2)=1$, $h$ must be as scalar as well. In other words
$$L= Gh_1h_2 = frac{P_1P_2}{G}.$$
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It works pretty much the same for integers if you modify the argument a little. Let $L = lcm(P_1, P_2)$ and $G=gcd(P_1, P_2)$. Then
$$P_1 = Gh_1, P_2 = Gh_2,$$
with $gcd(h_1, h_2) = 1$. It's easy to see that $P_1$ and $P_2$ both divides $Gh_1h_2$ so $L$ also divides $Gh_1h_2$. Assume that
$$ Gh_1h_2 = Lh,$$
then $P_1 h_2 = L h$, or $h_2 = frac{L}{P_1} h$. That is, $h$ divides $h_2$. Similarly $h$ divides $h_1$. Since $gcd(h_1,h_2)=1$, $h$ must be as scalar as well. In other words
$$L= Gh_1h_2 = frac{P_1P_2}{G}.$$
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It works pretty much the same for integers if you modify the argument a little. Let $L = lcm(P_1, P_2)$ and $G=gcd(P_1, P_2)$. Then
$$P_1 = Gh_1, P_2 = Gh_2,$$
with $gcd(h_1, h_2) = 1$. It's easy to see that $P_1$ and $P_2$ both divides $Gh_1h_2$ so $L$ also divides $Gh_1h_2$. Assume that
$$ Gh_1h_2 = Lh,$$
then $P_1 h_2 = L h$, or $h_2 = frac{L}{P_1} h$. That is, $h$ divides $h_2$. Similarly $h$ divides $h_1$. Since $gcd(h_1,h_2)=1$, $h$ must be as scalar as well. In other words
$$L= Gh_1h_2 = frac{P_1P_2}{G}.$$
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It works pretty much the same for integers if you modify the argument a little. Let $L = lcm(P_1, P_2)$ and $G=gcd(P_1, P_2)$. Then
$$P_1 = Gh_1, P_2 = Gh_2,$$
with $gcd(h_1, h_2) = 1$. It's easy to see that $P_1$ and $P_2$ both divides $Gh_1h_2$ so $L$ also divides $Gh_1h_2$. Assume that
$$ Gh_1h_2 = Lh,$$
then $P_1 h_2 = L h$, or $h_2 = frac{L}{P_1} h$. That is, $h$ divides $h_2$. Similarly $h$ divides $h_1$. Since $gcd(h_1,h_2)=1$, $h$ must be as scalar as well. In other words
$$L= Gh_1h_2 = frac{P_1P_2}{G}.$$
answered Dec 28 '18 at 22:17
Quang HoangQuang Hoang
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Think of the irreducible factors of P$_1$ and P$_2$ as your prime factors. Suppose P$_1$ = gcd(P$_1$,P$_2$)($q_1q_2ldots q_n$) and P$_2$=gcd(P$_1$,P$_2$)($r_1r_2ldots r_m$).
Thus
$$frac{P_1P_2}{gcd(P_1,P_2)}=gcd(P_1,P_2)(q_1ldots q_n)(r_1 ldots r_m).$$
Note that the numerator has [gcd(P$_1$,P$_2$)]$^2$ as a factor.
So the RHS is a common multiple of P$_1$ and P$_2$. You should be able to show that if there is a "smaller" lcm, then we can get a "larger" gcd.
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Think of the irreducible factors of P$_1$ and P$_2$ as your prime factors. Suppose P$_1$ = gcd(P$_1$,P$_2$)($q_1q_2ldots q_n$) and P$_2$=gcd(P$_1$,P$_2$)($r_1r_2ldots r_m$).
Thus
$$frac{P_1P_2}{gcd(P_1,P_2)}=gcd(P_1,P_2)(q_1ldots q_n)(r_1 ldots r_m).$$
Note that the numerator has [gcd(P$_1$,P$_2$)]$^2$ as a factor.
So the RHS is a common multiple of P$_1$ and P$_2$. You should be able to show that if there is a "smaller" lcm, then we can get a "larger" gcd.
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Think of the irreducible factors of P$_1$ and P$_2$ as your prime factors. Suppose P$_1$ = gcd(P$_1$,P$_2$)($q_1q_2ldots q_n$) and P$_2$=gcd(P$_1$,P$_2$)($r_1r_2ldots r_m$).
Thus
$$frac{P_1P_2}{gcd(P_1,P_2)}=gcd(P_1,P_2)(q_1ldots q_n)(r_1 ldots r_m).$$
Note that the numerator has [gcd(P$_1$,P$_2$)]$^2$ as a factor.
So the RHS is a common multiple of P$_1$ and P$_2$. You should be able to show that if there is a "smaller" lcm, then we can get a "larger" gcd.
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Think of the irreducible factors of P$_1$ and P$_2$ as your prime factors. Suppose P$_1$ = gcd(P$_1$,P$_2$)($q_1q_2ldots q_n$) and P$_2$=gcd(P$_1$,P$_2$)($r_1r_2ldots r_m$).
Thus
$$frac{P_1P_2}{gcd(P_1,P_2)}=gcd(P_1,P_2)(q_1ldots q_n)(r_1 ldots r_m).$$
Note that the numerator has [gcd(P$_1$,P$_2$)]$^2$ as a factor.
So the RHS is a common multiple of P$_1$ and P$_2$. You should be able to show that if there is a "smaller" lcm, then we can get a "larger" gcd.
answered Dec 28 '18 at 22:19
Joel PereiraJoel Pereira
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