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I am the course lecturer of an undergraduate course.
For a recent assignment, I had written the assignment deadline as 23 November 2018 (Saturday). Unfortunately, 23 November is actually a Friday, and not a Saturday.



I received an email from a student asking for me to excuse his/her assignment which was submitted late. The student explained that he/she marked the deadline as Saturday, without checking the assignment date.



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Should I excuse the student's late submission because I made a slight mistake in specifying the assignment deadline?



Note: We use a learning management system to receive assignment submissions, and the assignment deadline was entered correctly in the learning management system.



What I decided to do



For the current incident:
After reading the answers, and thinking it through, I decided that it is better to use the later of the two deadlines (i.e., 24 November Saturday) as the official deadline for the assignment.
I did make a mistake in writing the wrong day of the week for the deadline,
and students could have been misled with my mistake.
It is not fair to punish such students for my mistake.



For future courses:




  • The more places I put the deadline in
    (e.g., the syllabus, the assignment itself, the learning management system),
    it becomes likely that I will make a mistake somewhere.

  • In the future, I will put the deadline in only the learning management system, and refer students to check the deadlines there.










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    What would be the benefits for you or for your students of rejecting this single assignment which was submitted on Saturday? (I can't see a compelling benefit.)
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    @ebosi: There's also a legal doctrine called contra proferentem that seems on point here.
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    In addition to the reasons given by answers, to stick to the shorter deadline you will need to argue that such a small error doesn't matter, and that could backfire in a few days when you grade their assignments and some perceivedly small mistakes will need to matter.
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    BTW how do you accidentally name a weekend day if you don’t want that? (That thinking can also be applied by your students)
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I am the course lecturer of an undergraduate course.
For a recent assignment, I had written the assignment deadline as 23 November 2018 (Saturday). Unfortunately, 23 November is actually a Friday, and not a Saturday.



I received an email from a student asking for me to excuse his/her assignment which was submitted late. The student explained that he/she marked the deadline as Saturday, without checking the assignment date.



Question



Should I excuse the student's late submission because I made a slight mistake in specifying the assignment deadline?



Note: We use a learning management system to receive assignment submissions, and the assignment deadline was entered correctly in the learning management system.



What I decided to do



For the current incident:
After reading the answers, and thinking it through, I decided that it is better to use the later of the two deadlines (i.e., 24 November Saturday) as the official deadline for the assignment.
I did make a mistake in writing the wrong day of the week for the deadline,
and students could have been misled with my mistake.
It is not fair to punish such students for my mistake.



For future courses:




  • The more places I put the deadline in
    (e.g., the syllabus, the assignment itself, the learning management system),
    it becomes likely that I will make a mistake somewhere.

  • In the future, I will put the deadline in only the learning management system, and refer students to check the deadlines there.










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    What would be the benefits for you or for your students of rejecting this single assignment which was submitted on Saturday? (I can't see a compelling benefit.)
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    @ebosi: There's also a legal doctrine called contra proferentem that seems on point here.
    – Michael Seifert
    yesterday








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    In addition to the reasons given by answers, to stick to the shorter deadline you will need to argue that such a small error doesn't matter, and that could backfire in a few days when you grade their assignments and some perceivedly small mistakes will need to matter.
    – Pere
    yesterday






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    BTW how do you accidentally name a weekend day if you don’t want that? (That thinking can also be applied by your students)
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I am the course lecturer of an undergraduate course.
For a recent assignment, I had written the assignment deadline as 23 November 2018 (Saturday). Unfortunately, 23 November is actually a Friday, and not a Saturday.



I received an email from a student asking for me to excuse his/her assignment which was submitted late. The student explained that he/she marked the deadline as Saturday, without checking the assignment date.



Question



Should I excuse the student's late submission because I made a slight mistake in specifying the assignment deadline?



Note: We use a learning management system to receive assignment submissions, and the assignment deadline was entered correctly in the learning management system.



What I decided to do



For the current incident:
After reading the answers, and thinking it through, I decided that it is better to use the later of the two deadlines (i.e., 24 November Saturday) as the official deadline for the assignment.
I did make a mistake in writing the wrong day of the week for the deadline,
and students could have been misled with my mistake.
It is not fair to punish such students for my mistake.



For future courses:




  • The more places I put the deadline in
    (e.g., the syllabus, the assignment itself, the learning management system),
    it becomes likely that I will make a mistake somewhere.

  • In the future, I will put the deadline in only the learning management system, and refer students to check the deadlines there.










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I am the course lecturer of an undergraduate course.
For a recent assignment, I had written the assignment deadline as 23 November 2018 (Saturday). Unfortunately, 23 November is actually a Friday, and not a Saturday.



I received an email from a student asking for me to excuse his/her assignment which was submitted late. The student explained that he/she marked the deadline as Saturday, without checking the assignment date.



Question



Should I excuse the student's late submission because I made a slight mistake in specifying the assignment deadline?



Note: We use a learning management system to receive assignment submissions, and the assignment deadline was entered correctly in the learning management system.



What I decided to do



For the current incident:
After reading the answers, and thinking it through, I decided that it is better to use the later of the two deadlines (i.e., 24 November Saturday) as the official deadline for the assignment.
I did make a mistake in writing the wrong day of the week for the deadline,
and students could have been misled with my mistake.
It is not fair to punish such students for my mistake.



For future courses:




  • The more places I put the deadline in
    (e.g., the syllabus, the assignment itself, the learning management system),
    it becomes likely that I will make a mistake somewhere.

  • In the future, I will put the deadline in only the learning management system, and refer students to check the deadlines there.







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    What would be the benefits for you or for your students of rejecting this single assignment which was submitted on Saturday? (I can't see a compelling benefit.)
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    @ebosi: There's also a legal doctrine called contra proferentem that seems on point here.
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    In addition to the reasons given by answers, to stick to the shorter deadline you will need to argue that such a small error doesn't matter, and that could backfire in a few days when you grade their assignments and some perceivedly small mistakes will need to matter.
    – Pere
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    BTW how do you accidentally name a weekend day if you don’t want that? (That thinking can also be applied by your students)
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    In dubio pro reo
    – ebosi
    yesterday








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    What would be the benefits for you or for your students of rejecting this single assignment which was submitted on Saturday? (I can't see a compelling benefit.)
    – pts
    yesterday






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    @ebosi: There's also a legal doctrine called contra proferentem that seems on point here.
    – Michael Seifert
    yesterday








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    In addition to the reasons given by answers, to stick to the shorter deadline you will need to argue that such a small error doesn't matter, and that could backfire in a few days when you grade their assignments and some perceivedly small mistakes will need to matter.
    – Pere
    yesterday






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    BTW how do you accidentally name a weekend day if you don’t want that? (That thinking can also be applied by your students)
    – eckes
    yesterday








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What would be the benefits for you or for your students of rejecting this single assignment which was submitted on Saturday? (I can't see a compelling benefit.)
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What would be the benefits for you or for your students of rejecting this single assignment which was submitted on Saturday? (I can't see a compelling benefit.)
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@ebosi: There's also a legal doctrine called contra proferentem that seems on point here.
– Michael Seifert
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@ebosi: There's also a legal doctrine called contra proferentem that seems on point here.
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In addition to the reasons given by answers, to stick to the shorter deadline you will need to argue that such a small error doesn't matter, and that could backfire in a few days when you grade their assignments and some perceivedly small mistakes will need to matter.
– Pere
yesterday




In addition to the reasons given by answers, to stick to the shorter deadline you will need to argue that such a small error doesn't matter, and that could backfire in a few days when you grade their assignments and some perceivedly small mistakes will need to matter.
– Pere
yesterday




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BTW how do you accidentally name a weekend day if you don’t want that? (That thinking can also be applied by your students)
– eckes
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BTW how do you accidentally name a weekend day if you don’t want that? (That thinking can also be applied by your students)
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In dubio pro reo (where nothing happened anyway)



Mistakes happen. Like you writing the wrong day for a certain date. Happened once, the "damage" is that students may have a reason to hand in one day later. That's it. And that's basically nothing.



Students are humans too. Most probably he really did not pay too much attention, did not look it up properly. Like no one of us would have or normally does in his daily business. And that's fine. Because it was not about life and death.



Let it be like that and accept the hand-in saying that you really wrote the wrong day (and may even apologize for the small mistake, as it may caused some confusion and a little anxiety to the student when he realized it). Even thinking about that incident is too much energy wasted for nothing happened. And be happy that you did not write the date of a test wrong or similar. Keep the mouse a mouse, don't make it an elephant.



Also, not accepting it will result in punishing a (most probably) innocent student. That's just unfair and will leave a very bad impression with the student. No reason to risk that.






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    If the assignment deadline was not shown correctly to the students, then it is your error and they cannot be penalized for being late.



    Claiming it is correct in one area while incorrect in another does not absolve you, you caused the confusion so you have to accept late submissions, as long as they arrived on Saturday...



    Any submissions on Sunday will, of course, be late.



    Re-reading this, it sounds a bit blunt... Probably because I have done exactly the same and had to sort it out after... Peace reigns if you stick to being fair, so giving them the extra time does not usually make much of a difference, except for the recognition from the students.






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      @ASimpleAlgorithm the date given was the 23rd as the Saturday, while the 23rd was actually Friday... So, confusion for `students who looked at the DAY and marked it on their calendar... Then when submitting on the Saturday, they find themselves late and contact the OP...
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      @ASimpleAlgorithm if your system sends out reminders, then I agree with you they have less ground to stand on... The system I am "blessed" with does not send out reminders so I have to deal with errors such as this... It is actually easy if you swallow a bit of humble pie and play fair... The students accept the error and apology, as long as it is infrequent... :)
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      @ASimpleAlgorithm as a student I used to hate the automated systems from the University's learning platform and ended up copying the 'filedrop' link into my personal calendar app on the day given, without looking into the learning platform otherwise. I would have been left astray here possibly... Without ill intent, because of a mistake the lecturer) made. The fact it's only one could be someone looking for a loophole, sure. It could also be someone not using the same system as all the others....
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      @ASimpleAlgorithm: It doesn't matter if the system sends out reminders if it sends it out too late. Students need to manage their time between multiple classes and assignments (and often work), which sometimes means they don't finish up an assignment until very close to a due date. So getting a reminder the day before or day of, when they were justifiably under the assumption it was due a day later, might not give them time to actually finish their assignment. For all we know this one student may have been working when this reminder went out, making it impossible for them to submit it.
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      @SolarMike They were working to the deadline, they were just given the wrong deadline, which is exactly my point. To then tell them "Learn to work to a deadline" is nothing short of a huge slap in the face, and I'm sure it's perfect grounds for a student to make a complaint to the dean of the department for their assignment to be accepted a day late.
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    If you occasionally published two different dates as a deadline, you should accept the work until the latest date without penalty. This is what essentially happened: you announced the deadline as 23rd Nov 2018 but also as Saturday, which is not the same day. Go with the latest of two then — this is the best way to be fair in this situation.






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      Yup. Not least because if they appeal it, a) it'll waste your time having to explain that you're an incompetent and b) the university will likely side with the student and you'll look bad.
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      Kinda off-topic, but one of my instructors once mistakenly wrote the deadline as 11/27/2108, and we still got penalties for submitting after 11/27/2018 :(
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      @nalzok: A hundred years is far too much extra time for school work.
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      @user21820 Arguable :)
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      @user21820 some students would still be late after having 100 years :) ...
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    I think the most important question a teacher should ask about their own actions is "What my action will teach?"



    If you accept the late submission you will teach that one must assume their own mistakes and get full responsibility.



    If you don't, you will teach that the people with more power don't need to clean up and take responsibility after mistakes, and the underdogs should not trust them.



    We can say the last will prepare the student to be a good employee in the corporate world, and the first to be a responsible person.






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      Very good point regarding setting a personal example! Teachers educate students as persons, they don't just teach particular subject matter. +1
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    • While I agree with the idea of the teaching, being strict with with the date does not teach that "people with power don't need to clean up...", but that it is the student's responsability to make sure to have all the elements in hand. I'm still in favour of a lenient response, but the second part of your answer is biased.
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      Maybe my answer is biased, but I think I don't need to "make sure" I "have all the elements in hand" if I trust my superior. If the student is penalized because they don't catch the professor mistake, we are not teaching students to be attentive, but that "s*** goes down", and we must not trust our superiors. The result would be improved attention? Sure. but the message was not "Attention is important".
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      @bilbo_pingouin really, it is the student’s responsibility to always be on their guard in case against incompetence or errors on the side of their instructors? That seems unreasonable. If we required such hyper-vigilance from students, they would not have any time left for studying.
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    • Well I disagree, Students aren't Kindergarten kids. They can take care of themselves and do not need to be taken by hand every time. By your logic, the student could deliver any saturday, that would have been ok. I disagree. There were an error in the requirement, the student should be able to spot it. Why assume Saturday was fine and not the date? Again, I don't think that student should be penalised here. But I still disagree with your second part.
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    Purely from a standpoint of error distance, I would probably put more trust in the spelled-out day than in a numeric date, if there's any conflict between the two, because it's much more likely to accidentally hit 3 instead of 4 than to type Satur when you meant to type Fri. Of course that only applies to the mechanical aspect of typing, for most brains it's probably just as easy to mix the two up.



    In any case, unless you noticed your error and communicated an unambiguous correction within a reasonable timeframe, it seems only fair that you should accept submissions up to the latest possible reasonable interpretation of the originally communicated deadline.



    I say “reasonable" interpretation, because I guess the latest possible interpretation would be Saturday, November 23rd of the next year in which November 23rd is a Saturday. (This wouldn’t make sense in an academic context, but it’s a possible result of a typo in some longer-range planning.)






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      You can only hold people to what you said clearly, not to what you meant




      I meant the 23rd. That was a typo, perhaps ironically.




      Says you. As a student, I was given an assignment due on Saturday the 24th. What's that you're saying? That the numeric date has 23 rather than 24? Oh, surely that's just a typo.



      See what I'm saying?



      Actually, even in a more extreme case, where you merely hinted that the later day is appropriate, and did not spell it out, you should still have accepted late submissions.






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        This looks more like a comment to a comment, except for the bolded line that actually adresses the OP.
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        I guess I don't see what you mean, if all you've done here is swap one ambiguous date for another. And my point was the date was given twice, once nonsensically, which cannot be followed as the day didn't exist in the current year, and one clearly, where it was online. Just like you want.
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      • @ASimpleAlgorithm: Which date in your opinion was the sensical one, and which the non-sensical one?
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      • @einpoklumthe nonsensical one is "saturday, Nov. 23". The "sensical" one is the date on the online system which presumably was "nov. 23". Those are not three dates they are two. As a student you are held responsible for everything you are told, not your favorite piece of information.
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      • @ASimpleAlgorithm: That's just, like, your opinion, man.. I saw a perfectly sensical date and a typo, and that's a reasonable - even if not the only interpretation. The fact that it says something else on the online system doesn't change anything, because once I saw that Saturday, I was reading the submission date information anywhere else - I already knew when I needed to submit.
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      I think there is no other choice for you than to excuse your student. As he/ she already mentioned that he/ she follow calendar day deadline instead of calendar date which is also clearly mentioned in your submission deadline . So being a very valid reason and a typo mistake on your part, your student should be given excuse .






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        You probably want to ask yourself what your purpose in teaching is.



        Is it to teach students, proliferate knowledge and make sure people learn what you want to course to convey? If so, be lenient.



        If, on the other hand, you think your principal job is to filter students by failing them hard and early, this is a perfect excuse to do so.






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          In dubio pro reo (where nothing happened anyway)



          Mistakes happen. Like you writing the wrong day for a certain date. Happened once, the "damage" is that students may have a reason to hand in one day later. That's it. And that's basically nothing.



          Students are humans too. Most probably he really did not pay too much attention, did not look it up properly. Like no one of us would have or normally does in his daily business. And that's fine. Because it was not about life and death.



          Let it be like that and accept the hand-in saying that you really wrote the wrong day (and may even apologize for the small mistake, as it may caused some confusion and a little anxiety to the student when he realized it). Even thinking about that incident is too much energy wasted for nothing happened. And be happy that you did not write the date of a test wrong or similar. Keep the mouse a mouse, don't make it an elephant.



          Also, not accepting it will result in punishing a (most probably) innocent student. That's just unfair and will leave a very bad impression with the student. No reason to risk that.






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            In dubio pro reo (where nothing happened anyway)



            Mistakes happen. Like you writing the wrong day for a certain date. Happened once, the "damage" is that students may have a reason to hand in one day later. That's it. And that's basically nothing.



            Students are humans too. Most probably he really did not pay too much attention, did not look it up properly. Like no one of us would have or normally does in his daily business. And that's fine. Because it was not about life and death.



            Let it be like that and accept the hand-in saying that you really wrote the wrong day (and may even apologize for the small mistake, as it may caused some confusion and a little anxiety to the student when he realized it). Even thinking about that incident is too much energy wasted for nothing happened. And be happy that you did not write the date of a test wrong or similar. Keep the mouse a mouse, don't make it an elephant.



            Also, not accepting it will result in punishing a (most probably) innocent student. That's just unfair and will leave a very bad impression with the student. No reason to risk that.






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              In dubio pro reo (where nothing happened anyway)



              Mistakes happen. Like you writing the wrong day for a certain date. Happened once, the "damage" is that students may have a reason to hand in one day later. That's it. And that's basically nothing.



              Students are humans too. Most probably he really did not pay too much attention, did not look it up properly. Like no one of us would have or normally does in his daily business. And that's fine. Because it was not about life and death.



              Let it be like that and accept the hand-in saying that you really wrote the wrong day (and may even apologize for the small mistake, as it may caused some confusion and a little anxiety to the student when he realized it). Even thinking about that incident is too much energy wasted for nothing happened. And be happy that you did not write the date of a test wrong or similar. Keep the mouse a mouse, don't make it an elephant.



              Also, not accepting it will result in punishing a (most probably) innocent student. That's just unfair and will leave a very bad impression with the student. No reason to risk that.






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              In dubio pro reo (where nothing happened anyway)



              Mistakes happen. Like you writing the wrong day for a certain date. Happened once, the "damage" is that students may have a reason to hand in one day later. That's it. And that's basically nothing.



              Students are humans too. Most probably he really did not pay too much attention, did not look it up properly. Like no one of us would have or normally does in his daily business. And that's fine. Because it was not about life and death.



              Let it be like that and accept the hand-in saying that you really wrote the wrong day (and may even apologize for the small mistake, as it may caused some confusion and a little anxiety to the student when he realized it). Even thinking about that incident is too much energy wasted for nothing happened. And be happy that you did not write the date of a test wrong or similar. Keep the mouse a mouse, don't make it an elephant.



              Also, not accepting it will result in punishing a (most probably) innocent student. That's just unfair and will leave a very bad impression with the student. No reason to risk that.







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                  If the assignment deadline was not shown correctly to the students, then it is your error and they cannot be penalized for being late.



                  Claiming it is correct in one area while incorrect in another does not absolve you, you caused the confusion so you have to accept late submissions, as long as they arrived on Saturday...



                  Any submissions on Sunday will, of course, be late.



                  Re-reading this, it sounds a bit blunt... Probably because I have done exactly the same and had to sort it out after... Peace reigns if you stick to being fair, so giving them the extra time does not usually make much of a difference, except for the recognition from the students.






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                    @ASimpleAlgorithm the date given was the 23rd as the Saturday, while the 23rd was actually Friday... So, confusion for `students who looked at the DAY and marked it on their calendar... Then when submitting on the Saturday, they find themselves late and contact the OP...
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                    @ASimpleAlgorithm if your system sends out reminders, then I agree with you they have less ground to stand on... The system I am "blessed" with does not send out reminders so I have to deal with errors such as this... It is actually easy if you swallow a bit of humble pie and play fair... The students accept the error and apology, as long as it is infrequent... :)
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                    @ASimpleAlgorithm as a student I used to hate the automated systems from the University's learning platform and ended up copying the 'filedrop' link into my personal calendar app on the day given, without looking into the learning platform otherwise. I would have been left astray here possibly... Without ill intent, because of a mistake the lecturer) made. The fact it's only one could be someone looking for a loophole, sure. It could also be someone not using the same system as all the others....
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                    @ASimpleAlgorithm: It doesn't matter if the system sends out reminders if it sends it out too late. Students need to manage their time between multiple classes and assignments (and often work), which sometimes means they don't finish up an assignment until very close to a due date. So getting a reminder the day before or day of, when they were justifiably under the assumption it was due a day later, might not give them time to actually finish their assignment. For all we know this one student may have been working when this reminder went out, making it impossible for them to submit it.
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                    @SolarMike They were working to the deadline, they were just given the wrong deadline, which is exactly my point. To then tell them "Learn to work to a deadline" is nothing short of a huge slap in the face, and I'm sure it's perfect grounds for a student to make a complaint to the dean of the department for their assignment to be accepted a day late.
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                  If the assignment deadline was not shown correctly to the students, then it is your error and they cannot be penalized for being late.



                  Claiming it is correct in one area while incorrect in another does not absolve you, you caused the confusion so you have to accept late submissions, as long as they arrived on Saturday...



                  Any submissions on Sunday will, of course, be late.



                  Re-reading this, it sounds a bit blunt... Probably because I have done exactly the same and had to sort it out after... Peace reigns if you stick to being fair, so giving them the extra time does not usually make much of a difference, except for the recognition from the students.






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                    @ASimpleAlgorithm the date given was the 23rd as the Saturday, while the 23rd was actually Friday... So, confusion for `students who looked at the DAY and marked it on their calendar... Then when submitting on the Saturday, they find themselves late and contact the OP...
                    – Solar Mike
                    yesterday






                  • 4




                    @ASimpleAlgorithm if your system sends out reminders, then I agree with you they have less ground to stand on... The system I am "blessed" with does not send out reminders so I have to deal with errors such as this... It is actually easy if you swallow a bit of humble pie and play fair... The students accept the error and apology, as long as it is infrequent... :)
                    – Solar Mike
                    yesterday






                  • 8




                    @ASimpleAlgorithm as a student I used to hate the automated systems from the University's learning platform and ended up copying the 'filedrop' link into my personal calendar app on the day given, without looking into the learning platform otherwise. I would have been left astray here possibly... Without ill intent, because of a mistake the lecturer) made. The fact it's only one could be someone looking for a loophole, sure. It could also be someone not using the same system as all the others....
                    – Patrice
                    yesterday








                  • 4




                    @ASimpleAlgorithm: It doesn't matter if the system sends out reminders if it sends it out too late. Students need to manage their time between multiple classes and assignments (and often work), which sometimes means they don't finish up an assignment until very close to a due date. So getting a reminder the day before or day of, when they were justifiably under the assumption it was due a day later, might not give them time to actually finish their assignment. For all we know this one student may have been working when this reminder went out, making it impossible for them to submit it.
                    – Wipqozn
                    23 hours ago






                  • 4




                    @SolarMike They were working to the deadline, they were just given the wrong deadline, which is exactly my point. To then tell them "Learn to work to a deadline" is nothing short of a huge slap in the face, and I'm sure it's perfect grounds for a student to make a complaint to the dean of the department for their assignment to be accepted a day late.
                    – Wipqozn
                    23 hours ago













                  up vote
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                  up vote
                  113
                  down vote









                  If the assignment deadline was not shown correctly to the students, then it is your error and they cannot be penalized for being late.



                  Claiming it is correct in one area while incorrect in another does not absolve you, you caused the confusion so you have to accept late submissions, as long as they arrived on Saturday...



                  Any submissions on Sunday will, of course, be late.



                  Re-reading this, it sounds a bit blunt... Probably because I have done exactly the same and had to sort it out after... Peace reigns if you stick to being fair, so giving them the extra time does not usually make much of a difference, except for the recognition from the students.






                  share|improve this answer














                  If the assignment deadline was not shown correctly to the students, then it is your error and they cannot be penalized for being late.



                  Claiming it is correct in one area while incorrect in another does not absolve you, you caused the confusion so you have to accept late submissions, as long as they arrived on Saturday...



                  Any submissions on Sunday will, of course, be late.



                  Re-reading this, it sounds a bit blunt... Probably because I have done exactly the same and had to sort it out after... Peace reigns if you stick to being fair, so giving them the extra time does not usually make much of a difference, except for the recognition from the students.







                  share|improve this answer














                  share|improve this answer



                  share|improve this answer








                  edited 2 days ago

























                  answered 2 days ago









                  Solar Mike

                  11.1k52246




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                  • 32




                    @ASimpleAlgorithm the date given was the 23rd as the Saturday, while the 23rd was actually Friday... So, confusion for `students who looked at the DAY and marked it on their calendar... Then when submitting on the Saturday, they find themselves late and contact the OP...
                    – Solar Mike
                    yesterday






                  • 4




                    @ASimpleAlgorithm if your system sends out reminders, then I agree with you they have less ground to stand on... The system I am "blessed" with does not send out reminders so I have to deal with errors such as this... It is actually easy if you swallow a bit of humble pie and play fair... The students accept the error and apology, as long as it is infrequent... :)
                    – Solar Mike
                    yesterday






                  • 8




                    @ASimpleAlgorithm as a student I used to hate the automated systems from the University's learning platform and ended up copying the 'filedrop' link into my personal calendar app on the day given, without looking into the learning platform otherwise. I would have been left astray here possibly... Without ill intent, because of a mistake the lecturer) made. The fact it's only one could be someone looking for a loophole, sure. It could also be someone not using the same system as all the others....
                    – Patrice
                    yesterday








                  • 4




                    @ASimpleAlgorithm: It doesn't matter if the system sends out reminders if it sends it out too late. Students need to manage their time between multiple classes and assignments (and often work), which sometimes means they don't finish up an assignment until very close to a due date. So getting a reminder the day before or day of, when they were justifiably under the assumption it was due a day later, might not give them time to actually finish their assignment. For all we know this one student may have been working when this reminder went out, making it impossible for them to submit it.
                    – Wipqozn
                    23 hours ago






                  • 4




                    @SolarMike They were working to the deadline, they were just given the wrong deadline, which is exactly my point. To then tell them "Learn to work to a deadline" is nothing short of a huge slap in the face, and I'm sure it's perfect grounds for a student to make a complaint to the dean of the department for their assignment to be accepted a day late.
                    – Wipqozn
                    23 hours ago














                  • 32




                    @ASimpleAlgorithm the date given was the 23rd as the Saturday, while the 23rd was actually Friday... So, confusion for `students who looked at the DAY and marked it on their calendar... Then when submitting on the Saturday, they find themselves late and contact the OP...
                    – Solar Mike
                    yesterday






                  • 4




                    @ASimpleAlgorithm if your system sends out reminders, then I agree with you they have less ground to stand on... The system I am "blessed" with does not send out reminders so I have to deal with errors such as this... It is actually easy if you swallow a bit of humble pie and play fair... The students accept the error and apology, as long as it is infrequent... :)
                    – Solar Mike
                    yesterday






                  • 8




                    @ASimpleAlgorithm as a student I used to hate the automated systems from the University's learning platform and ended up copying the 'filedrop' link into my personal calendar app on the day given, without looking into the learning platform otherwise. I would have been left astray here possibly... Without ill intent, because of a mistake the lecturer) made. The fact it's only one could be someone looking for a loophole, sure. It could also be someone not using the same system as all the others....
                    – Patrice
                    yesterday








                  • 4




                    @ASimpleAlgorithm: It doesn't matter if the system sends out reminders if it sends it out too late. Students need to manage their time between multiple classes and assignments (and often work), which sometimes means they don't finish up an assignment until very close to a due date. So getting a reminder the day before or day of, when they were justifiably under the assumption it was due a day later, might not give them time to actually finish their assignment. For all we know this one student may have been working when this reminder went out, making it impossible for them to submit it.
                    – Wipqozn
                    23 hours ago






                  • 4




                    @SolarMike They were working to the deadline, they were just given the wrong deadline, which is exactly my point. To then tell them "Learn to work to a deadline" is nothing short of a huge slap in the face, and I'm sure it's perfect grounds for a student to make a complaint to the dean of the department for their assignment to be accepted a day late.
                    – Wipqozn
                    23 hours ago








                  32




                  32




                  @ASimpleAlgorithm the date given was the 23rd as the Saturday, while the 23rd was actually Friday... So, confusion for `students who looked at the DAY and marked it on their calendar... Then when submitting on the Saturday, they find themselves late and contact the OP...
                  – Solar Mike
                  yesterday




                  @ASimpleAlgorithm the date given was the 23rd as the Saturday, while the 23rd was actually Friday... So, confusion for `students who looked at the DAY and marked it on their calendar... Then when submitting on the Saturday, they find themselves late and contact the OP...
                  – Solar Mike
                  yesterday




                  4




                  4




                  @ASimpleAlgorithm if your system sends out reminders, then I agree with you they have less ground to stand on... The system I am "blessed" with does not send out reminders so I have to deal with errors such as this... It is actually easy if you swallow a bit of humble pie and play fair... The students accept the error and apology, as long as it is infrequent... :)
                  – Solar Mike
                  yesterday




                  @ASimpleAlgorithm if your system sends out reminders, then I agree with you they have less ground to stand on... The system I am "blessed" with does not send out reminders so I have to deal with errors such as this... It is actually easy if you swallow a bit of humble pie and play fair... The students accept the error and apology, as long as it is infrequent... :)
                  – Solar Mike
                  yesterday




                  8




                  8




                  @ASimpleAlgorithm as a student I used to hate the automated systems from the University's learning platform and ended up copying the 'filedrop' link into my personal calendar app on the day given, without looking into the learning platform otherwise. I would have been left astray here possibly... Without ill intent, because of a mistake the lecturer) made. The fact it's only one could be someone looking for a loophole, sure. It could also be someone not using the same system as all the others....
                  – Patrice
                  yesterday






                  @ASimpleAlgorithm as a student I used to hate the automated systems from the University's learning platform and ended up copying the 'filedrop' link into my personal calendar app on the day given, without looking into the learning platform otherwise. I would have been left astray here possibly... Without ill intent, because of a mistake the lecturer) made. The fact it's only one could be someone looking for a loophole, sure. It could also be someone not using the same system as all the others....
                  – Patrice
                  yesterday






                  4




                  4




                  @ASimpleAlgorithm: It doesn't matter if the system sends out reminders if it sends it out too late. Students need to manage their time between multiple classes and assignments (and often work), which sometimes means they don't finish up an assignment until very close to a due date. So getting a reminder the day before or day of, when they were justifiably under the assumption it was due a day later, might not give them time to actually finish their assignment. For all we know this one student may have been working when this reminder went out, making it impossible for them to submit it.
                  – Wipqozn
                  23 hours ago




                  @ASimpleAlgorithm: It doesn't matter if the system sends out reminders if it sends it out too late. Students need to manage their time between multiple classes and assignments (and often work), which sometimes means they don't finish up an assignment until very close to a due date. So getting a reminder the day before or day of, when they were justifiably under the assumption it was due a day later, might not give them time to actually finish their assignment. For all we know this one student may have been working when this reminder went out, making it impossible for them to submit it.
                  – Wipqozn
                  23 hours ago




                  4




                  4




                  @SolarMike They were working to the deadline, they were just given the wrong deadline, which is exactly my point. To then tell them "Learn to work to a deadline" is nothing short of a huge slap in the face, and I'm sure it's perfect grounds for a student to make a complaint to the dean of the department for their assignment to be accepted a day late.
                  – Wipqozn
                  23 hours ago




                  @SolarMike They were working to the deadline, they were just given the wrong deadline, which is exactly my point. To then tell them "Learn to work to a deadline" is nothing short of a huge slap in the face, and I'm sure it's perfect grounds for a student to make a complaint to the dean of the department for their assignment to be accepted a day late.
                  – Wipqozn
                  23 hours ago










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                  If you occasionally published two different dates as a deadline, you should accept the work until the latest date without penalty. This is what essentially happened: you announced the deadline as 23rd Nov 2018 but also as Saturday, which is not the same day. Go with the latest of two then — this is the best way to be fair in this situation.






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                    Yup. Not least because if they appeal it, a) it'll waste your time having to explain that you're an incompetent and b) the university will likely side with the student and you'll look bad.
                    – Valorum
                    yesterday






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                    Kinda off-topic, but one of my instructors once mistakenly wrote the deadline as 11/27/2108, and we still got penalties for submitting after 11/27/2018 :(
                    – nalzok
                    yesterday








                  • 2




                    @nalzok: A hundred years is far too much extra time for school work.
                    – user21820
                    yesterday






                  • 3




                    @user21820 Arguable :)
                    – user45266
                    yesterday








                  • 1




                    @user21820 some students would still be late after having 100 years :) ...
                    – Solar Mike
                    yesterday















                  up vote
                  63
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                  If you occasionally published two different dates as a deadline, you should accept the work until the latest date without penalty. This is what essentially happened: you announced the deadline as 23rd Nov 2018 but also as Saturday, which is not the same day. Go with the latest of two then — this is the best way to be fair in this situation.






                  share|improve this answer

















                  • 7




                    Yup. Not least because if they appeal it, a) it'll waste your time having to explain that you're an incompetent and b) the university will likely side with the student and you'll look bad.
                    – Valorum
                    yesterday






                  • 13




                    Kinda off-topic, but one of my instructors once mistakenly wrote the deadline as 11/27/2108, and we still got penalties for submitting after 11/27/2018 :(
                    – nalzok
                    yesterday








                  • 2




                    @nalzok: A hundred years is far too much extra time for school work.
                    – user21820
                    yesterday






                  • 3




                    @user21820 Arguable :)
                    – user45266
                    yesterday








                  • 1




                    @user21820 some students would still be late after having 100 years :) ...
                    – Solar Mike
                    yesterday













                  up vote
                  63
                  down vote










                  up vote
                  63
                  down vote









                  If you occasionally published two different dates as a deadline, you should accept the work until the latest date without penalty. This is what essentially happened: you announced the deadline as 23rd Nov 2018 but also as Saturday, which is not the same day. Go with the latest of two then — this is the best way to be fair in this situation.






                  share|improve this answer












                  If you occasionally published two different dates as a deadline, you should accept the work until the latest date without penalty. This is what essentially happened: you announced the deadline as 23rd Nov 2018 but also as Saturday, which is not the same day. Go with the latest of two then — this is the best way to be fair in this situation.







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                  answered 2 days ago









                  Dmitry Savostyanov

                  25.1k953107




                  25.1k953107








                  • 7




                    Yup. Not least because if they appeal it, a) it'll waste your time having to explain that you're an incompetent and b) the university will likely side with the student and you'll look bad.
                    – Valorum
                    yesterday






                  • 13




                    Kinda off-topic, but one of my instructors once mistakenly wrote the deadline as 11/27/2108, and we still got penalties for submitting after 11/27/2018 :(
                    – nalzok
                    yesterday








                  • 2




                    @nalzok: A hundred years is far too much extra time for school work.
                    – user21820
                    yesterday






                  • 3




                    @user21820 Arguable :)
                    – user45266
                    yesterday








                  • 1




                    @user21820 some students would still be late after having 100 years :) ...
                    – Solar Mike
                    yesterday














                  • 7




                    Yup. Not least because if they appeal it, a) it'll waste your time having to explain that you're an incompetent and b) the university will likely side with the student and you'll look bad.
                    – Valorum
                    yesterday






                  • 13




                    Kinda off-topic, but one of my instructors once mistakenly wrote the deadline as 11/27/2108, and we still got penalties for submitting after 11/27/2018 :(
                    – nalzok
                    yesterday








                  • 2




                    @nalzok: A hundred years is far too much extra time for school work.
                    – user21820
                    yesterday






                  • 3




                    @user21820 Arguable :)
                    – user45266
                    yesterday








                  • 1




                    @user21820 some students would still be late after having 100 years :) ...
                    – Solar Mike
                    yesterday








                  7




                  7




                  Yup. Not least because if they appeal it, a) it'll waste your time having to explain that you're an incompetent and b) the university will likely side with the student and you'll look bad.
                  – Valorum
                  yesterday




                  Yup. Not least because if they appeal it, a) it'll waste your time having to explain that you're an incompetent and b) the university will likely side with the student and you'll look bad.
                  – Valorum
                  yesterday




                  13




                  13




                  Kinda off-topic, but one of my instructors once mistakenly wrote the deadline as 11/27/2108, and we still got penalties for submitting after 11/27/2018 :(
                  – nalzok
                  yesterday






                  Kinda off-topic, but one of my instructors once mistakenly wrote the deadline as 11/27/2108, and we still got penalties for submitting after 11/27/2018 :(
                  – nalzok
                  yesterday






                  2




                  2




                  @nalzok: A hundred years is far too much extra time for school work.
                  – user21820
                  yesterday




                  @nalzok: A hundred years is far too much extra time for school work.
                  – user21820
                  yesterday




                  3




                  3




                  @user21820 Arguable :)
                  – user45266
                  yesterday






                  @user21820 Arguable :)
                  – user45266
                  yesterday






                  1




                  1




                  @user21820 some students would still be late after having 100 years :) ...
                  – Solar Mike
                  yesterday




                  @user21820 some students would still be late after having 100 years :) ...
                  – Solar Mike
                  yesterday










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                  I think the most important question a teacher should ask about their own actions is "What my action will teach?"



                  If you accept the late submission you will teach that one must assume their own mistakes and get full responsibility.



                  If you don't, you will teach that the people with more power don't need to clean up and take responsibility after mistakes, and the underdogs should not trust them.



                  We can say the last will prepare the student to be a good employee in the corporate world, and the first to be a responsible person.






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                  • 2




                    Very good point regarding setting a personal example! Teachers educate students as persons, they don't just teach particular subject matter. +1
                    – einpoklum
                    yesterday










                  • While I agree with the idea of the teaching, being strict with with the date does not teach that "people with power don't need to clean up...", but that it is the student's responsability to make sure to have all the elements in hand. I'm still in favour of a lenient response, but the second part of your answer is biased.
                    – bilbo_pingouin
                    yesterday






                  • 1




                    Maybe my answer is biased, but I think I don't need to "make sure" I "have all the elements in hand" if I trust my superior. If the student is penalized because they don't catch the professor mistake, we are not teaching students to be attentive, but that "s*** goes down", and we must not trust our superiors. The result would be improved attention? Sure. but the message was not "Attention is important".
                    – Cochise
                    21 hours ago








                  • 1




                    @bilbo_pingouin really, it is the student’s responsibility to always be on their guard in case against incompetence or errors on the side of their instructors? That seems unreasonable. If we required such hyper-vigilance from students, they would not have any time left for studying.
                    – Dan Romik
                    16 hours ago










                  • Well I disagree, Students aren't Kindergarten kids. They can take care of themselves and do not need to be taken by hand every time. By your logic, the student could deliver any saturday, that would have been ok. I disagree. There were an error in the requirement, the student should be able to spot it. Why assume Saturday was fine and not the date? Again, I don't think that student should be penalised here. But I still disagree with your second part.
                    – bilbo_pingouin
                    6 hours ago















                  up vote
                  32
                  down vote













                  I think the most important question a teacher should ask about their own actions is "What my action will teach?"



                  If you accept the late submission you will teach that one must assume their own mistakes and get full responsibility.



                  If you don't, you will teach that the people with more power don't need to clean up and take responsibility after mistakes, and the underdogs should not trust them.



                  We can say the last will prepare the student to be a good employee in the corporate world, and the first to be a responsible person.






                  share|improve this answer

















                  • 2




                    Very good point regarding setting a personal example! Teachers educate students as persons, they don't just teach particular subject matter. +1
                    – einpoklum
                    yesterday










                  • While I agree with the idea of the teaching, being strict with with the date does not teach that "people with power don't need to clean up...", but that it is the student's responsability to make sure to have all the elements in hand. I'm still in favour of a lenient response, but the second part of your answer is biased.
                    – bilbo_pingouin
                    yesterday






                  • 1




                    Maybe my answer is biased, but I think I don't need to "make sure" I "have all the elements in hand" if I trust my superior. If the student is penalized because they don't catch the professor mistake, we are not teaching students to be attentive, but that "s*** goes down", and we must not trust our superiors. The result would be improved attention? Sure. but the message was not "Attention is important".
                    – Cochise
                    21 hours ago








                  • 1




                    @bilbo_pingouin really, it is the student’s responsibility to always be on their guard in case against incompetence or errors on the side of their instructors? That seems unreasonable. If we required such hyper-vigilance from students, they would not have any time left for studying.
                    – Dan Romik
                    16 hours ago










                  • Well I disagree, Students aren't Kindergarten kids. They can take care of themselves and do not need to be taken by hand every time. By your logic, the student could deliver any saturday, that would have been ok. I disagree. There were an error in the requirement, the student should be able to spot it. Why assume Saturday was fine and not the date? Again, I don't think that student should be penalised here. But I still disagree with your second part.
                    – bilbo_pingouin
                    6 hours ago













                  up vote
                  32
                  down vote










                  up vote
                  32
                  down vote









                  I think the most important question a teacher should ask about their own actions is "What my action will teach?"



                  If you accept the late submission you will teach that one must assume their own mistakes and get full responsibility.



                  If you don't, you will teach that the people with more power don't need to clean up and take responsibility after mistakes, and the underdogs should not trust them.



                  We can say the last will prepare the student to be a good employee in the corporate world, and the first to be a responsible person.






                  share|improve this answer












                  I think the most important question a teacher should ask about their own actions is "What my action will teach?"



                  If you accept the late submission you will teach that one must assume their own mistakes and get full responsibility.



                  If you don't, you will teach that the people with more power don't need to clean up and take responsibility after mistakes, and the underdogs should not trust them.



                  We can say the last will prepare the student to be a good employee in the corporate world, and the first to be a responsible person.







                  share|improve this answer












                  share|improve this answer



                  share|improve this answer










                  answered yesterday









                  Cochise

                  1,3351714




                  1,3351714








                  • 2




                    Very good point regarding setting a personal example! Teachers educate students as persons, they don't just teach particular subject matter. +1
                    – einpoklum
                    yesterday










                  • While I agree with the idea of the teaching, being strict with with the date does not teach that "people with power don't need to clean up...", but that it is the student's responsability to make sure to have all the elements in hand. I'm still in favour of a lenient response, but the second part of your answer is biased.
                    – bilbo_pingouin
                    yesterday






                  • 1




                    Maybe my answer is biased, but I think I don't need to "make sure" I "have all the elements in hand" if I trust my superior. If the student is penalized because they don't catch the professor mistake, we are not teaching students to be attentive, but that "s*** goes down", and we must not trust our superiors. The result would be improved attention? Sure. but the message was not "Attention is important".
                    – Cochise
                    21 hours ago








                  • 1




                    @bilbo_pingouin really, it is the student’s responsibility to always be on their guard in case against incompetence or errors on the side of their instructors? That seems unreasonable. If we required such hyper-vigilance from students, they would not have any time left for studying.
                    – Dan Romik
                    16 hours ago










                  • Well I disagree, Students aren't Kindergarten kids. They can take care of themselves and do not need to be taken by hand every time. By your logic, the student could deliver any saturday, that would have been ok. I disagree. There were an error in the requirement, the student should be able to spot it. Why assume Saturday was fine and not the date? Again, I don't think that student should be penalised here. But I still disagree with your second part.
                    – bilbo_pingouin
                    6 hours ago














                  • 2




                    Very good point regarding setting a personal example! Teachers educate students as persons, they don't just teach particular subject matter. +1
                    – einpoklum
                    yesterday










                  • While I agree with the idea of the teaching, being strict with with the date does not teach that "people with power don't need to clean up...", but that it is the student's responsability to make sure to have all the elements in hand. I'm still in favour of a lenient response, but the second part of your answer is biased.
                    – bilbo_pingouin
                    yesterday






                  • 1




                    Maybe my answer is biased, but I think I don't need to "make sure" I "have all the elements in hand" if I trust my superior. If the student is penalized because they don't catch the professor mistake, we are not teaching students to be attentive, but that "s*** goes down", and we must not trust our superiors. The result would be improved attention? Sure. but the message was not "Attention is important".
                    – Cochise
                    21 hours ago








                  • 1




                    @bilbo_pingouin really, it is the student’s responsibility to always be on their guard in case against incompetence or errors on the side of their instructors? That seems unreasonable. If we required such hyper-vigilance from students, they would not have any time left for studying.
                    – Dan Romik
                    16 hours ago










                  • Well I disagree, Students aren't Kindergarten kids. They can take care of themselves and do not need to be taken by hand every time. By your logic, the student could deliver any saturday, that would have been ok. I disagree. There were an error in the requirement, the student should be able to spot it. Why assume Saturday was fine and not the date? Again, I don't think that student should be penalised here. But I still disagree with your second part.
                    – bilbo_pingouin
                    6 hours ago








                  2




                  2




                  Very good point regarding setting a personal example! Teachers educate students as persons, they don't just teach particular subject matter. +1
                  – einpoklum
                  yesterday




                  Very good point regarding setting a personal example! Teachers educate students as persons, they don't just teach particular subject matter. +1
                  – einpoklum
                  yesterday












                  While I agree with the idea of the teaching, being strict with with the date does not teach that "people with power don't need to clean up...", but that it is the student's responsability to make sure to have all the elements in hand. I'm still in favour of a lenient response, but the second part of your answer is biased.
                  – bilbo_pingouin
                  yesterday




                  While I agree with the idea of the teaching, being strict with with the date does not teach that "people with power don't need to clean up...", but that it is the student's responsability to make sure to have all the elements in hand. I'm still in favour of a lenient response, but the second part of your answer is biased.
                  – bilbo_pingouin
                  yesterday




                  1




                  1




                  Maybe my answer is biased, but I think I don't need to "make sure" I "have all the elements in hand" if I trust my superior. If the student is penalized because they don't catch the professor mistake, we are not teaching students to be attentive, but that "s*** goes down", and we must not trust our superiors. The result would be improved attention? Sure. but the message was not "Attention is important".
                  – Cochise
                  21 hours ago






                  Maybe my answer is biased, but I think I don't need to "make sure" I "have all the elements in hand" if I trust my superior. If the student is penalized because they don't catch the professor mistake, we are not teaching students to be attentive, but that "s*** goes down", and we must not trust our superiors. The result would be improved attention? Sure. but the message was not "Attention is important".
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                  @bilbo_pingouin really, it is the student’s responsibility to always be on their guard in case against incompetence or errors on the side of their instructors? That seems unreasonable. If we required such hyper-vigilance from students, they would not have any time left for studying.
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                  @bilbo_pingouin really, it is the student’s responsibility to always be on their guard in case against incompetence or errors on the side of their instructors? That seems unreasonable. If we required such hyper-vigilance from students, they would not have any time left for studying.
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                  Well I disagree, Students aren't Kindergarten kids. They can take care of themselves and do not need to be taken by hand every time. By your logic, the student could deliver any saturday, that would have been ok. I disagree. There were an error in the requirement, the student should be able to spot it. Why assume Saturday was fine and not the date? Again, I don't think that student should be penalised here. But I still disagree with your second part.
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                  6 hours ago




                  Well I disagree, Students aren't Kindergarten kids. They can take care of themselves and do not need to be taken by hand every time. By your logic, the student could deliver any saturday, that would have been ok. I disagree. There were an error in the requirement, the student should be able to spot it. Why assume Saturday was fine and not the date? Again, I don't think that student should be penalised here. But I still disagree with your second part.
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                  Purely from a standpoint of error distance, I would probably put more trust in the spelled-out day than in a numeric date, if there's any conflict between the two, because it's much more likely to accidentally hit 3 instead of 4 than to type Satur when you meant to type Fri. Of course that only applies to the mechanical aspect of typing, for most brains it's probably just as easy to mix the two up.



                  In any case, unless you noticed your error and communicated an unambiguous correction within a reasonable timeframe, it seems only fair that you should accept submissions up to the latest possible reasonable interpretation of the originally communicated deadline.



                  I say “reasonable" interpretation, because I guess the latest possible interpretation would be Saturday, November 23rd of the next year in which November 23rd is a Saturday. (This wouldn’t make sense in an academic context, but it’s a possible result of a typo in some longer-range planning.)






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                    Purely from a standpoint of error distance, I would probably put more trust in the spelled-out day than in a numeric date, if there's any conflict between the two, because it's much more likely to accidentally hit 3 instead of 4 than to type Satur when you meant to type Fri. Of course that only applies to the mechanical aspect of typing, for most brains it's probably just as easy to mix the two up.



                    In any case, unless you noticed your error and communicated an unambiguous correction within a reasonable timeframe, it seems only fair that you should accept submissions up to the latest possible reasonable interpretation of the originally communicated deadline.



                    I say “reasonable" interpretation, because I guess the latest possible interpretation would be Saturday, November 23rd of the next year in which November 23rd is a Saturday. (This wouldn’t make sense in an academic context, but it’s a possible result of a typo in some longer-range planning.)






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                      Purely from a standpoint of error distance, I would probably put more trust in the spelled-out day than in a numeric date, if there's any conflict between the two, because it's much more likely to accidentally hit 3 instead of 4 than to type Satur when you meant to type Fri. Of course that only applies to the mechanical aspect of typing, for most brains it's probably just as easy to mix the two up.



                      In any case, unless you noticed your error and communicated an unambiguous correction within a reasonable timeframe, it seems only fair that you should accept submissions up to the latest possible reasonable interpretation of the originally communicated deadline.



                      I say “reasonable" interpretation, because I guess the latest possible interpretation would be Saturday, November 23rd of the next year in which November 23rd is a Saturday. (This wouldn’t make sense in an academic context, but it’s a possible result of a typo in some longer-range planning.)






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                      Purely from a standpoint of error distance, I would probably put more trust in the spelled-out day than in a numeric date, if there's any conflict between the two, because it's much more likely to accidentally hit 3 instead of 4 than to type Satur when you meant to type Fri. Of course that only applies to the mechanical aspect of typing, for most brains it's probably just as easy to mix the two up.



                      In any case, unless you noticed your error and communicated an unambiguous correction within a reasonable timeframe, it seems only fair that you should accept submissions up to the latest possible reasonable interpretation of the originally communicated deadline.



                      I say “reasonable" interpretation, because I guess the latest possible interpretation would be Saturday, November 23rd of the next year in which November 23rd is a Saturday. (This wouldn’t make sense in an academic context, but it’s a possible result of a typo in some longer-range planning.)







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                          You can only hold people to what you said clearly, not to what you meant




                          I meant the 23rd. That was a typo, perhaps ironically.




                          Says you. As a student, I was given an assignment due on Saturday the 24th. What's that you're saying? That the numeric date has 23 rather than 24? Oh, surely that's just a typo.



                          See what I'm saying?



                          Actually, even in a more extreme case, where you merely hinted that the later day is appropriate, and did not spell it out, you should still have accepted late submissions.






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                            This looks more like a comment to a comment, except for the bolded line that actually adresses the OP.
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                            I guess I don't see what you mean, if all you've done here is swap one ambiguous date for another. And my point was the date was given twice, once nonsensically, which cannot be followed as the day didn't exist in the current year, and one clearly, where it was online. Just like you want.
                            – A Simple Algorithm
                            22 hours ago










                          • @ASimpleAlgorithm: Which date in your opinion was the sensical one, and which the non-sensical one?
                            – einpoklum
                            20 hours ago












                          • @einpoklumthe nonsensical one is "saturday, Nov. 23". The "sensical" one is the date on the online system which presumably was "nov. 23". Those are not three dates they are two. As a student you are held responsible for everything you are told, not your favorite piece of information.
                            – A Simple Algorithm
                            19 hours ago










                          • @ASimpleAlgorithm: That's just, like, your opinion, man.. I saw a perfectly sensical date and a typo, and that's a reasonable - even if not the only interpretation. The fact that it says something else on the online system doesn't change anything, because once I saw that Saturday, I was reading the submission date information anywhere else - I already knew when I needed to submit.
                            – einpoklum
                            16 hours ago















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                          You can only hold people to what you said clearly, not to what you meant




                          I meant the 23rd. That was a typo, perhaps ironically.




                          Says you. As a student, I was given an assignment due on Saturday the 24th. What's that you're saying? That the numeric date has 23 rather than 24? Oh, surely that's just a typo.



                          See what I'm saying?



                          Actually, even in a more extreme case, where you merely hinted that the later day is appropriate, and did not spell it out, you should still have accepted late submissions.






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                            This looks more like a comment to a comment, except for the bolded line that actually adresses the OP.
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                            I guess I don't see what you mean, if all you've done here is swap one ambiguous date for another. And my point was the date was given twice, once nonsensically, which cannot be followed as the day didn't exist in the current year, and one clearly, where it was online. Just like you want.
                            – A Simple Algorithm
                            22 hours ago










                          • @ASimpleAlgorithm: Which date in your opinion was the sensical one, and which the non-sensical one?
                            – einpoklum
                            20 hours ago












                          • @einpoklumthe nonsensical one is "saturday, Nov. 23". The "sensical" one is the date on the online system which presumably was "nov. 23". Those are not three dates they are two. As a student you are held responsible for everything you are told, not your favorite piece of information.
                            – A Simple Algorithm
                            19 hours ago










                          • @ASimpleAlgorithm: That's just, like, your opinion, man.. I saw a perfectly sensical date and a typo, and that's a reasonable - even if not the only interpretation. The fact that it says something else on the online system doesn't change anything, because once I saw that Saturday, I was reading the submission date information anywhere else - I already knew when I needed to submit.
                            – einpoklum
                            16 hours ago













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                          You can only hold people to what you said clearly, not to what you meant




                          I meant the 23rd. That was a typo, perhaps ironically.




                          Says you. As a student, I was given an assignment due on Saturday the 24th. What's that you're saying? That the numeric date has 23 rather than 24? Oh, surely that's just a typo.



                          See what I'm saying?



                          Actually, even in a more extreme case, where you merely hinted that the later day is appropriate, and did not spell it out, you should still have accepted late submissions.






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                          You can only hold people to what you said clearly, not to what you meant




                          I meant the 23rd. That was a typo, perhaps ironically.




                          Says you. As a student, I was given an assignment due on Saturday the 24th. What's that you're saying? That the numeric date has 23 rather than 24? Oh, surely that's just a typo.



                          See what I'm saying?



                          Actually, even in a more extreme case, where you merely hinted that the later day is appropriate, and did not spell it out, you should still have accepted late submissions.







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                            This looks more like a comment to a comment, except for the bolded line that actually adresses the OP.
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                            I guess I don't see what you mean, if all you've done here is swap one ambiguous date for another. And my point was the date was given twice, once nonsensically, which cannot be followed as the day didn't exist in the current year, and one clearly, where it was online. Just like you want.
                            – A Simple Algorithm
                            22 hours ago










                          • @ASimpleAlgorithm: Which date in your opinion was the sensical one, and which the non-sensical one?
                            – einpoklum
                            20 hours ago












                          • @einpoklumthe nonsensical one is "saturday, Nov. 23". The "sensical" one is the date on the online system which presumably was "nov. 23". Those are not three dates they are two. As a student you are held responsible for everything you are told, not your favorite piece of information.
                            – A Simple Algorithm
                            19 hours ago










                          • @ASimpleAlgorithm: That's just, like, your opinion, man.. I saw a perfectly sensical date and a typo, and that's a reasonable - even if not the only interpretation. The fact that it says something else on the online system doesn't change anything, because once I saw that Saturday, I was reading the submission date information anywhere else - I already knew when I needed to submit.
                            – einpoklum
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                            This looks more like a comment to a comment, except for the bolded line that actually adresses the OP.
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                            I guess I don't see what you mean, if all you've done here is swap one ambiguous date for another. And my point was the date was given twice, once nonsensically, which cannot be followed as the day didn't exist in the current year, and one clearly, where it was online. Just like you want.
                            – A Simple Algorithm
                            22 hours ago










                          • @ASimpleAlgorithm: Which date in your opinion was the sensical one, and which the non-sensical one?
                            – einpoklum
                            20 hours ago












                          • @einpoklumthe nonsensical one is "saturday, Nov. 23". The "sensical" one is the date on the online system which presumably was "nov. 23". Those are not three dates they are two. As a student you are held responsible for everything you are told, not your favorite piece of information.
                            – A Simple Algorithm
                            19 hours ago










                          • @ASimpleAlgorithm: That's just, like, your opinion, man.. I saw a perfectly sensical date and a typo, and that's a reasonable - even if not the only interpretation. The fact that it says something else on the online system doesn't change anything, because once I saw that Saturday, I was reading the submission date information anywhere else - I already knew when I needed to submit.
                            – einpoklum
                            16 hours ago








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                          This looks more like a comment to a comment, except for the bolded line that actually adresses the OP.
                          – corey979
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                          This looks more like a comment to a comment, except for the bolded line that actually adresses the OP.
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                          I guess I don't see what you mean, if all you've done here is swap one ambiguous date for another. And my point was the date was given twice, once nonsensically, which cannot be followed as the day didn't exist in the current year, and one clearly, where it was online. Just like you want.
                          – A Simple Algorithm
                          22 hours ago




                          I guess I don't see what you mean, if all you've done here is swap one ambiguous date for another. And my point was the date was given twice, once nonsensically, which cannot be followed as the day didn't exist in the current year, and one clearly, where it was online. Just like you want.
                          – A Simple Algorithm
                          22 hours ago












                          @ASimpleAlgorithm: Which date in your opinion was the sensical one, and which the non-sensical one?
                          – einpoklum
                          20 hours ago






                          @ASimpleAlgorithm: Which date in your opinion was the sensical one, and which the non-sensical one?
                          – einpoklum
                          20 hours ago














                          @einpoklumthe nonsensical one is "saturday, Nov. 23". The "sensical" one is the date on the online system which presumably was "nov. 23". Those are not three dates they are two. As a student you are held responsible for everything you are told, not your favorite piece of information.
                          – A Simple Algorithm
                          19 hours ago




                          @einpoklumthe nonsensical one is "saturday, Nov. 23". The "sensical" one is the date on the online system which presumably was "nov. 23". Those are not three dates they are two. As a student you are held responsible for everything you are told, not your favorite piece of information.
                          – A Simple Algorithm
                          19 hours ago












                          @ASimpleAlgorithm: That's just, like, your opinion, man.. I saw a perfectly sensical date and a typo, and that's a reasonable - even if not the only interpretation. The fact that it says something else on the online system doesn't change anything, because once I saw that Saturday, I was reading the submission date information anywhere else - I already knew when I needed to submit.
                          – einpoklum
                          16 hours ago




                          @ASimpleAlgorithm: That's just, like, your opinion, man.. I saw a perfectly sensical date and a typo, and that's a reasonable - even if not the only interpretation. The fact that it says something else on the online system doesn't change anything, because once I saw that Saturday, I was reading the submission date information anywhere else - I already knew when I needed to submit.
                          – einpoklum
                          16 hours ago










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                          I think there is no other choice for you than to excuse your student. As he/ she already mentioned that he/ she follow calendar day deadline instead of calendar date which is also clearly mentioned in your submission deadline . So being a very valid reason and a typo mistake on your part, your student should be given excuse .






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                            I think there is no other choice for you than to excuse your student. As he/ she already mentioned that he/ she follow calendar day deadline instead of calendar date which is also clearly mentioned in your submission deadline . So being a very valid reason and a typo mistake on your part, your student should be given excuse .






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                              I think there is no other choice for you than to excuse your student. As he/ she already mentioned that he/ she follow calendar day deadline instead of calendar date which is also clearly mentioned in your submission deadline . So being a very valid reason and a typo mistake on your part, your student should be given excuse .







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                                  You probably want to ask yourself what your purpose in teaching is.



                                  Is it to teach students, proliferate knowledge and make sure people learn what you want to course to convey? If so, be lenient.



                                  If, on the other hand, you think your principal job is to filter students by failing them hard and early, this is a perfect excuse to do so.






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                                    You probably want to ask yourself what your purpose in teaching is.



                                    Is it to teach students, proliferate knowledge and make sure people learn what you want to course to convey? If so, be lenient.



                                    If, on the other hand, you think your principal job is to filter students by failing them hard and early, this is a perfect excuse to do so.






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                                      You probably want to ask yourself what your purpose in teaching is.



                                      Is it to teach students, proliferate knowledge and make sure people learn what you want to course to convey? If so, be lenient.



                                      If, on the other hand, you think your principal job is to filter students by failing them hard and early, this is a perfect excuse to do so.






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                                      You probably want to ask yourself what your purpose in teaching is.



                                      Is it to teach students, proliferate knowledge and make sure people learn what you want to course to convey? If so, be lenient.



                                      If, on the other hand, you think your principal job is to filter students by failing them hard and early, this is a perfect excuse to do so.







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