Partial derivative of a two variables function, one of which dependent on the other
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I found this exercise on the book of multivariable calculus from which I'm studying:
"Find the partial derivative $frac{partial{z}}{partial{x}}$ and the total derivative $frac{text{d}z}{text{d}x}$ of $z(x,y)=e^{xy}$ where $y=phi(x)$."
Now, this to me looks like a function of a single variable $f:mathbb{R}tomathbb{R}$ and so in this case the partial derivative of $f$ with respect to $x$ and total derivative would be equivalent; in particular, I end up with something like:
$$frac{text{d}z}{text{d}x}=e^{xy}(phi(x)+xphi'(x))$$
In the solution, while the result for the total derivative is the same as mine, the partial derivative of $f$ with respect to $x$ is written as follows:
$$frac{partial{z}}{partial{x}}=ye^{xy}$$
Why is this the case?
Since the partial derivative of $f$ with respect to $x$ shows the incremental behaviour of the function as $x$ changes, shouldn't I account for the presence of $x$ in the functional representation of $y$ while computing the derivative with respect to $x$?
Sorry in advance for the super basic question :)
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I found this exercise on the book of multivariable calculus from which I'm studying:
"Find the partial derivative $frac{partial{z}}{partial{x}}$ and the total derivative $frac{text{d}z}{text{d}x}$ of $z(x,y)=e^{xy}$ where $y=phi(x)$."
Now, this to me looks like a function of a single variable $f:mathbb{R}tomathbb{R}$ and so in this case the partial derivative of $f$ with respect to $x$ and total derivative would be equivalent; in particular, I end up with something like:
$$frac{text{d}z}{text{d}x}=e^{xy}(phi(x)+xphi'(x))$$
In the solution, while the result for the total derivative is the same as mine, the partial derivative of $f$ with respect to $x$ is written as follows:
$$frac{partial{z}}{partial{x}}=ye^{xy}$$
Why is this the case?
Since the partial derivative of $f$ with respect to $x$ shows the incremental behaviour of the function as $x$ changes, shouldn't I account for the presence of $x$ in the functional representation of $y$ while computing the derivative with respect to $x$?
Sorry in advance for the super basic question :)
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I found this exercise on the book of multivariable calculus from which I'm studying:
"Find the partial derivative $frac{partial{z}}{partial{x}}$ and the total derivative $frac{text{d}z}{text{d}x}$ of $z(x,y)=e^{xy}$ where $y=phi(x)$."
Now, this to me looks like a function of a single variable $f:mathbb{R}tomathbb{R}$ and so in this case the partial derivative of $f$ with respect to $x$ and total derivative would be equivalent; in particular, I end up with something like:
$$frac{text{d}z}{text{d}x}=e^{xy}(phi(x)+xphi'(x))$$
In the solution, while the result for the total derivative is the same as mine, the partial derivative of $f$ with respect to $x$ is written as follows:
$$frac{partial{z}}{partial{x}}=ye^{xy}$$
Why is this the case?
Since the partial derivative of $f$ with respect to $x$ shows the incremental behaviour of the function as $x$ changes, shouldn't I account for the presence of $x$ in the functional representation of $y$ while computing the derivative with respect to $x$?
Sorry in advance for the super basic question :)
multivariable-calculus derivatives partial-derivative
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I found this exercise on the book of multivariable calculus from which I'm studying:
"Find the partial derivative $frac{partial{z}}{partial{x}}$ and the total derivative $frac{text{d}z}{text{d}x}$ of $z(x,y)=e^{xy}$ where $y=phi(x)$."
Now, this to me looks like a function of a single variable $f:mathbb{R}tomathbb{R}$ and so in this case the partial derivative of $f$ with respect to $x$ and total derivative would be equivalent; in particular, I end up with something like:
$$frac{text{d}z}{text{d}x}=e^{xy}(phi(x)+xphi'(x))$$
In the solution, while the result for the total derivative is the same as mine, the partial derivative of $f$ with respect to $x$ is written as follows:
$$frac{partial{z}}{partial{x}}=ye^{xy}$$
Why is this the case?
Since the partial derivative of $f$ with respect to $x$ shows the incremental behaviour of the function as $x$ changes, shouldn't I account for the presence of $x$ in the functional representation of $y$ while computing the derivative with respect to $x$?
Sorry in advance for the super basic question :)
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multivariable-calculus derivatives partial-derivative
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It is possible for $phi(x)$ to be stationary with respect to $x$ wiggles while $f(x,phi(x))$ is not stationary due to its remaining explicit dependence on $x$. When we write the partial derivative, we by-definition require that $y$ is constant, or equivalently that $phi(x)$ is constant while we wiggle x, so it doesn't contribute to the variation (hence why it gets called "partial"). The "total" variation of $f$ makes no such restriction, and thus depends on the general wiggle of both x and $phi(x)$.
I assume you have an intuition / understanding of the following equality,
$$
frac{df(x,y)}{dt} = frac{partial f}{partial x} frac{partial x}{partial t} + frac{partial f}{partial y} frac{partial y}{partial t}
$$
Letting $x=t$ we have,
begin{align}
frac{df(x,y)}{dx} &= frac{partial f}{partial x} frac{partial x}{partial x} + frac{partial f}{partial y} frac{partial y}{partial x}\
&= frac{partial f}{partial x} + frac{partial f}{partial y} frac{partial y}{partial x}
end{align}
Letting $y = phi(x)$ we have,
$$
frac{df(x,y)}{dx} = frac{partial f}{partial x} + frac{partial f}{partial y} phi'(x)
$$
Notice that,
$$
phi'(x)=0 implies frac{df}{dx}=frac{partial f}{partial x}
$$
The partial derivative under question is "how $f$ varies while we vary $x$ and hold $y$ constant", $frac{partial f}{partial x}$, which still makes sense even if $y=phi(x)$.
In the case of $f(x,y) = e^{xy}$ we have,
$$
frac{partial f}{partial x} = ye^{xy}
$$
and
begin{align}
frac{df(x,y)}{dx} &= ye^{xy} + xe^{xy}phi'(x)\
&= e^{xy}big{(}y + xphi'(x)big{)}
end{align}
which is, as you have found and we would hope, equivalent to thinking of $f$ as a function of one variable $x$ to find by "product rule",
$$
frac{df(x)}{dx} = e^{xphi(x)}big{(}phi(x) + xphi'(x)big{)}
$$
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I think I got it, thank a lot!
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Dec 6 '18 at 12:37
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It is possible for $phi(x)$ to be stationary with respect to $x$ wiggles while $f(x,phi(x))$ is not stationary due to its remaining explicit dependence on $x$. When we write the partial derivative, we by-definition require that $y$ is constant, or equivalently that $phi(x)$ is constant while we wiggle x, so it doesn't contribute to the variation (hence why it gets called "partial"). The "total" variation of $f$ makes no such restriction, and thus depends on the general wiggle of both x and $phi(x)$.
I assume you have an intuition / understanding of the following equality,
$$
frac{df(x,y)}{dt} = frac{partial f}{partial x} frac{partial x}{partial t} + frac{partial f}{partial y} frac{partial y}{partial t}
$$
Letting $x=t$ we have,
begin{align}
frac{df(x,y)}{dx} &= frac{partial f}{partial x} frac{partial x}{partial x} + frac{partial f}{partial y} frac{partial y}{partial x}\
&= frac{partial f}{partial x} + frac{partial f}{partial y} frac{partial y}{partial x}
end{align}
Letting $y = phi(x)$ we have,
$$
frac{df(x,y)}{dx} = frac{partial f}{partial x} + frac{partial f}{partial y} phi'(x)
$$
Notice that,
$$
phi'(x)=0 implies frac{df}{dx}=frac{partial f}{partial x}
$$
The partial derivative under question is "how $f$ varies while we vary $x$ and hold $y$ constant", $frac{partial f}{partial x}$, which still makes sense even if $y=phi(x)$.
In the case of $f(x,y) = e^{xy}$ we have,
$$
frac{partial f}{partial x} = ye^{xy}
$$
and
begin{align}
frac{df(x,y)}{dx} &= ye^{xy} + xe^{xy}phi'(x)\
&= e^{xy}big{(}y + xphi'(x)big{)}
end{align}
which is, as you have found and we would hope, equivalent to thinking of $f$ as a function of one variable $x$ to find by "product rule",
$$
frac{df(x)}{dx} = e^{xphi(x)}big{(}phi(x) + xphi'(x)big{)}
$$
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I think I got it, thank a lot!
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– Stefano Cortinovis
Dec 6 '18 at 12:37
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@Stefano No problem. Generally, you can "accept" an answer to your Stack Exchange question by clicking the checkmark by the voting buttons.
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– jnez71
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It is possible for $phi(x)$ to be stationary with respect to $x$ wiggles while $f(x,phi(x))$ is not stationary due to its remaining explicit dependence on $x$. When we write the partial derivative, we by-definition require that $y$ is constant, or equivalently that $phi(x)$ is constant while we wiggle x, so it doesn't contribute to the variation (hence why it gets called "partial"). The "total" variation of $f$ makes no such restriction, and thus depends on the general wiggle of both x and $phi(x)$.
I assume you have an intuition / understanding of the following equality,
$$
frac{df(x,y)}{dt} = frac{partial f}{partial x} frac{partial x}{partial t} + frac{partial f}{partial y} frac{partial y}{partial t}
$$
Letting $x=t$ we have,
begin{align}
frac{df(x,y)}{dx} &= frac{partial f}{partial x} frac{partial x}{partial x} + frac{partial f}{partial y} frac{partial y}{partial x}\
&= frac{partial f}{partial x} + frac{partial f}{partial y} frac{partial y}{partial x}
end{align}
Letting $y = phi(x)$ we have,
$$
frac{df(x,y)}{dx} = frac{partial f}{partial x} + frac{partial f}{partial y} phi'(x)
$$
Notice that,
$$
phi'(x)=0 implies frac{df}{dx}=frac{partial f}{partial x}
$$
The partial derivative under question is "how $f$ varies while we vary $x$ and hold $y$ constant", $frac{partial f}{partial x}$, which still makes sense even if $y=phi(x)$.
In the case of $f(x,y) = e^{xy}$ we have,
$$
frac{partial f}{partial x} = ye^{xy}
$$
and
begin{align}
frac{df(x,y)}{dx} &= ye^{xy} + xe^{xy}phi'(x)\
&= e^{xy}big{(}y + xphi'(x)big{)}
end{align}
which is, as you have found and we would hope, equivalent to thinking of $f$ as a function of one variable $x$ to find by "product rule",
$$
frac{df(x)}{dx} = e^{xphi(x)}big{(}phi(x) + xphi'(x)big{)}
$$
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I think I got it, thank a lot!
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– Stefano Cortinovis
Dec 6 '18 at 12:37
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@Stefano No problem. Generally, you can "accept" an answer to your Stack Exchange question by clicking the checkmark by the voting buttons.
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– jnez71
Dec 6 '18 at 15:39
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It is possible for $phi(x)$ to be stationary with respect to $x$ wiggles while $f(x,phi(x))$ is not stationary due to its remaining explicit dependence on $x$. When we write the partial derivative, we by-definition require that $y$ is constant, or equivalently that $phi(x)$ is constant while we wiggle x, so it doesn't contribute to the variation (hence why it gets called "partial"). The "total" variation of $f$ makes no such restriction, and thus depends on the general wiggle of both x and $phi(x)$.
I assume you have an intuition / understanding of the following equality,
$$
frac{df(x,y)}{dt} = frac{partial f}{partial x} frac{partial x}{partial t} + frac{partial f}{partial y} frac{partial y}{partial t}
$$
Letting $x=t$ we have,
begin{align}
frac{df(x,y)}{dx} &= frac{partial f}{partial x} frac{partial x}{partial x} + frac{partial f}{partial y} frac{partial y}{partial x}\
&= frac{partial f}{partial x} + frac{partial f}{partial y} frac{partial y}{partial x}
end{align}
Letting $y = phi(x)$ we have,
$$
frac{df(x,y)}{dx} = frac{partial f}{partial x} + frac{partial f}{partial y} phi'(x)
$$
Notice that,
$$
phi'(x)=0 implies frac{df}{dx}=frac{partial f}{partial x}
$$
The partial derivative under question is "how $f$ varies while we vary $x$ and hold $y$ constant", $frac{partial f}{partial x}$, which still makes sense even if $y=phi(x)$.
In the case of $f(x,y) = e^{xy}$ we have,
$$
frac{partial f}{partial x} = ye^{xy}
$$
and
begin{align}
frac{df(x,y)}{dx} &= ye^{xy} + xe^{xy}phi'(x)\
&= e^{xy}big{(}y + xphi'(x)big{)}
end{align}
which is, as you have found and we would hope, equivalent to thinking of $f$ as a function of one variable $x$ to find by "product rule",
$$
frac{df(x)}{dx} = e^{xphi(x)}big{(}phi(x) + xphi'(x)big{)}
$$
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It is possible for $phi(x)$ to be stationary with respect to $x$ wiggles while $f(x,phi(x))$ is not stationary due to its remaining explicit dependence on $x$. When we write the partial derivative, we by-definition require that $y$ is constant, or equivalently that $phi(x)$ is constant while we wiggle x, so it doesn't contribute to the variation (hence why it gets called "partial"). The "total" variation of $f$ makes no such restriction, and thus depends on the general wiggle of both x and $phi(x)$.
I assume you have an intuition / understanding of the following equality,
$$
frac{df(x,y)}{dt} = frac{partial f}{partial x} frac{partial x}{partial t} + frac{partial f}{partial y} frac{partial y}{partial t}
$$
Letting $x=t$ we have,
begin{align}
frac{df(x,y)}{dx} &= frac{partial f}{partial x} frac{partial x}{partial x} + frac{partial f}{partial y} frac{partial y}{partial x}\
&= frac{partial f}{partial x} + frac{partial f}{partial y} frac{partial y}{partial x}
end{align}
Letting $y = phi(x)$ we have,
$$
frac{df(x,y)}{dx} = frac{partial f}{partial x} + frac{partial f}{partial y} phi'(x)
$$
Notice that,
$$
phi'(x)=0 implies frac{df}{dx}=frac{partial f}{partial x}
$$
The partial derivative under question is "how $f$ varies while we vary $x$ and hold $y$ constant", $frac{partial f}{partial x}$, which still makes sense even if $y=phi(x)$.
In the case of $f(x,y) = e^{xy}$ we have,
$$
frac{partial f}{partial x} = ye^{xy}
$$
and
begin{align}
frac{df(x,y)}{dx} &= ye^{xy} + xe^{xy}phi'(x)\
&= e^{xy}big{(}y + xphi'(x)big{)}
end{align}
which is, as you have found and we would hope, equivalent to thinking of $f$ as a function of one variable $x$ to find by "product rule",
$$
frac{df(x)}{dx} = e^{xphi(x)}big{(}phi(x) + xphi'(x)big{)}
$$
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answered Dec 6 '18 at 2:11
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I think I got it, thank a lot!
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– Stefano Cortinovis
Dec 6 '18 at 12:37
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@Stefano No problem. Generally, you can "accept" an answer to your Stack Exchange question by clicking the checkmark by the voting buttons.
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– jnez71
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I think I got it, thank a lot!
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– Stefano Cortinovis
Dec 6 '18 at 12:37
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@Stefano No problem. Generally, you can "accept" an answer to your Stack Exchange question by clicking the checkmark by the voting buttons.
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– jnez71
Dec 6 '18 at 15:39
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I think I got it, thank a lot!
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– Stefano Cortinovis
Dec 6 '18 at 12:37
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I think I got it, thank a lot!
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– Stefano Cortinovis
Dec 6 '18 at 12:37
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@Stefano No problem. Generally, you can "accept" an answer to your Stack Exchange question by clicking the checkmark by the voting buttons.
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– jnez71
Dec 6 '18 at 15:39
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@Stefano No problem. Generally, you can "accept" an answer to your Stack Exchange question by clicking the checkmark by the voting buttons.
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– jnez71
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