Why can't I write ch=ch+1; instead of ch++; though they have same meaning

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package practicejava;



public class Query {



    public static void main(String args) {

        char ch = 66;

        System.out.println("character= " + ch);



        ch++;



        System.out.println("character = " + ch);



    }

}

Technically ch++; and ch=ch+1; are the same but why do I get an error when I write ch=ch+1; instead of ch++;?

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Welcome to Stack Overflow! Please have a look around, and read through the help center, in particular How do I ask a good question? "but why is here occur error" Always quote the exact error, rather than just saying you get an error. In this case, we can probably guess what error you're talking about, but you don't want to make the people trying to help you guess.
– T.J. Crowder
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It’s a confusing behaviour that has been taken over from C++ and its forerunners.
– Ole V.V.
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an int plus a char is an int
– Peter Lawrey
3 hours ago

Note that Java is one of the few languages that actually retains a distinct character type from C, in most languages characters are actually strings and won't compile (or will throw a runtime error) if you try to treat them as integers.
– Jared Smith
2 hours ago

@Tushar Mia : What should I do when someone answers my question?
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package practicejava;



public class Query {



    public static void main(String args) {

        char ch = 66;

        System.out.println("character= " + ch);



        ch++;



        System.out.println("character = " + ch);



    }

}

Technically ch++; and ch=ch+1; are the same but why do I get an error when I write ch=ch+1; instead of ch++;?

edited 2 hours ago

孙兴斌

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asked 4 hours ago

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Welcome to Stack Overflow! Please have a look around, and read through the help center, in particular How do I ask a good question? "but why is here occur error" Always quote the exact error, rather than just saying you get an error. In this case, we can probably guess what error you're talking about, but you don't want to make the people trying to help you guess.
– T.J. Crowder
4 hours ago

It’s a confusing behaviour that has been taken over from C++ and its forerunners.
– Ole V.V.
4 hours ago

2

an int plus a char is an int
– Peter Lawrey
3 hours ago

Note that Java is one of the few languages that actually retains a distinct character type from C, in most languages characters are actually strings and won't compile (or will throw a runtime error) if you try to treat them as integers.
– Jared Smith
2 hours ago

@Tushar Mia : What should I do when someone answers my question?
– Nicholas K
38 mins ago

add a comment |

up vote
5
down vote

favorite

package practicejava;



public class Query {



    public static void main(String args) {

        char ch = 66;

        System.out.println("character= " + ch);



        ch++;



        System.out.println("character = " + ch);



    }

}

Technically ch++; and ch=ch+1; are the same but why do I get an error when I write ch=ch+1; instead of ch++;?

edited 2 hours ago

孙兴斌

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asked 4 hours ago

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package practicejava;



public class Query {



    public static void main(String args) {

        char ch = 66;

        System.out.println("character= " + ch);



        ch++;



        System.out.println("character = " + ch);



    }

}

Technically ch++; and ch=ch+1; are the same but why do I get an error when I write ch=ch+1; instead of ch++;?

java int character increment

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Welcome to Stack Overflow! Please have a look around, and read through the help center, in particular How do I ask a good question? "but why is here occur error" Always quote the exact error, rather than just saying you get an error. In this case, we can probably guess what error you're talking about, but you don't want to make the people trying to help you guess.
– T.J. Crowder
4 hours ago

It’s a confusing behaviour that has been taken over from C++ and its forerunners.
– Ole V.V.
4 hours ago

2

an int plus a char is an int
– Peter Lawrey
3 hours ago

Note that Java is one of the few languages that actually retains a distinct character type from C, in most languages characters are actually strings and won't compile (or will throw a runtime error) if you try to treat them as integers.
– Jared Smith
2 hours ago

@Tushar Mia : What should I do when someone answers my question?
– Nicholas K
38 mins ago

add a comment |

Welcome to Stack Overflow! Please have a look around, and read through the help center, in particular How do I ask a good question? "but why is here occur error" Always quote the exact error, rather than just saying you get an error. In this case, we can probably guess what error you're talking about, but you don't want to make the people trying to help you guess.
– T.J. Crowder
4 hours ago

It’s a confusing behaviour that has been taken over from C++ and its forerunners.
– Ole V.V.
4 hours ago

2

an int plus a char is an int
– Peter Lawrey
3 hours ago

Note that Java is one of the few languages that actually retains a distinct character type from C, in most languages characters are actually strings and won't compile (or will throw a runtime error) if you try to treat them as integers.
– Jared Smith
2 hours ago

@Tushar Mia : What should I do when someone answers my question?
– Nicholas K
38 mins ago

Welcome to Stack Overflow! Please have a look around, and read through the help center, in particular How do I ask a good question? "but why is here occur error" Always quote the exact error, rather than just saying you get an error. In this case, we can probably guess what error you're talking about, but you don't want to make the people trying to help you guess.
– T.J. Crowder
4 hours ago

It’s a confusing behaviour that has been taken over from C++ and its forerunners.
– Ole V.V.
4 hours ago

an int plus a char is an int
– Peter Lawrey
3 hours ago

Note that Java is one of the few languages that actually retains a distinct character type from C, in most languages characters are actually strings and won't compile (or will throw a runtime error) if you try to treat them as integers.
– Jared Smith
2 hours ago

@Tushar Mia : What should I do when someone answers my question?
– Nicholas K
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You need to provide a cast in order to do that :

ch = (char) (ch + 1);

This is because the expression ch + 1 is is promoted (upcast) to an int. In order for you to reassign this expression to a char you need to explicitly downcast it.

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By ch+1, the char ch will be promoted to int first, just like ((int)ch) + 1, so the result will be an int.

When you try assign an int(32 bit) back to a char(16 bit), it might loss accuracy, you need to do it explictly ch = (char)(ch + 1);

This is called Binary Numeric Promotion:

Binary numeric promotion is performed on the operands of certain
operators:

...

The addition and subtraction operators for numeric types + and - (§15.18.2)

and it will perform

Widening primitive conversion (§5.1.2) is applied to convert either or
both operands as specified by the following rules:

If either operand is of type double, the other is converted to double.

Otherwise, if either operand is of type float, the other is converted
to float.

Otherwise, if either operand is of type long, the other is converted
to long.

Otherwise, both operands are converted to type int.

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First of all, note that a char is 2 bytes large (16 bit), and an int is 32bit.

1. When typing ch++:

to apply the ++ operator, there is no type cast but the operator simply causes the bit represent of that char to increase by 1 to itself. Refer to JLS11 chapter 15.14.2,page 575:

The type of the postfix increment expression is the type of the variable.

2. When typing ch=ch+1:

ch is firstly casted to int, then it is added by 1(still an int), and the = is actually tring to cast the int which has 32bits into a char which has only 16 bits, note that this may lose accuracy. So without an explicitly cast, the compiler will complain about that, which is the cause of the error.

edited 28 mins ago

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I did not understand the no. 1 point .if ch is casted into int when printing the value of ch after ch++; operation why it shows character instead of int.. Can You plz explain the first term details
– Tushar Mia
1 hour ago

1

[sorry for my bad English ] I mean : suppose at first I assign 'A' into ch .after I do the ch++; operation. here if ch would cast into int and then add value 1 . here corresponding Unicode value of A which is 65 then add 1 .total 66 so after when I perform the action System.out.print("character "+ch); it should show the output like this : character 66 . that all I understood from your second comment . the I asked you that why the output is character B if ch is casted into int then add int value 1
– Tushar Mia
30 mins ago

Thanks for pointing it out. Updated my post @Tushar Mia
– ZhaoGang
29 mins ago

what does it mean by ''the bit represent of that char"
– Tushar Mia
19 mins ago

By saying that I mean the value of that char, and that value is stored in the memory by a set of bits(16 bits)
– ZhaoGang
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You need to provide a cast in order to do that :

ch = (char) (ch + 1);

This is because the expression ch + 1 is is promoted (upcast) to an int. In order for you to reassign this expression to a char you need to explicitly downcast it.

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up vote
5
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You need to provide a cast in order to do that :

ch = (char) (ch + 1);

This is because the expression ch + 1 is is promoted (upcast) to an int. In order for you to reassign this expression to a char you need to explicitly downcast it.

answered 4 hours ago

Nicholas K

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up vote
5
down vote

You need to provide a cast in order to do that :

ch = (char) (ch + 1);

This is because the expression ch + 1 is is promoted (upcast) to an int. In order for you to reassign this expression to a char you need to explicitly downcast it.

answered 4 hours ago

Nicholas K

4,94141031

You need to provide a cast in order to do that :

ch = (char) (ch + 1);

This is because the expression ch + 1 is is promoted (upcast) to an int. In order for you to reassign this expression to a char you need to explicitly downcast it.

answered 4 hours ago

Nicholas K

4,94141031

answered 4 hours ago

Nicholas K

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answered 4 hours ago

Nicholas K

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answered 4 hours ago

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By ch+1, the char ch will be promoted to int first, just like ((int)ch) + 1, so the result will be an int.

When you try assign an int(32 bit) back to a char(16 bit), it might loss accuracy, you need to do it explictly ch = (char)(ch + 1);

This is called Binary Numeric Promotion:

Binary numeric promotion is performed on the operands of certain
operators:

...

The addition and subtraction operators for numeric types + and - (§15.18.2)

and it will perform

Widening primitive conversion (§5.1.2) is applied to convert either or
both operands as specified by the following rules:

If either operand is of type double, the other is converted to double.

Otherwise, if either operand is of type float, the other is converted
to float.

Otherwise, if either operand is of type long, the other is converted
to long.

Otherwise, both operands are converted to type int.

edited 4 hours ago

answered 4 hours ago

孙兴斌

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up vote
4
down vote

By ch+1, the char ch will be promoted to int first, just like ((int)ch) + 1, so the result will be an int.

When you try assign an int(32 bit) back to a char(16 bit), it might loss accuracy, you need to do it explictly ch = (char)(ch + 1);

This is called Binary Numeric Promotion:

Binary numeric promotion is performed on the operands of certain
operators:

...

The addition and subtraction operators for numeric types + and - (§15.18.2)

and it will perform

Widening primitive conversion (§5.1.2) is applied to convert either or
both operands as specified by the following rules:

If either operand is of type double, the other is converted to double.

Otherwise, if either operand is of type float, the other is converted
to float.

Otherwise, if either operand is of type long, the other is converted
to long.

Otherwise, both operands are converted to type int.

edited 4 hours ago

answered 4 hours ago

孙兴斌

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up vote
4
down vote

By ch+1, the char ch will be promoted to int first, just like ((int)ch) + 1, so the result will be an int.

When you try assign an int(32 bit) back to a char(16 bit), it might loss accuracy, you need to do it explictly ch = (char)(ch + 1);

This is called Binary Numeric Promotion:

Binary numeric promotion is performed on the operands of certain
operators:

...

The addition and subtraction operators for numeric types + and - (§15.18.2)

and it will perform

Widening primitive conversion (§5.1.2) is applied to convert either or
both operands as specified by the following rules:

If either operand is of type double, the other is converted to double.

Otherwise, if either operand is of type float, the other is converted
to float.

Otherwise, if either operand is of type long, the other is converted
to long.

Otherwise, both operands are converted to type int.

edited 4 hours ago

answered 4 hours ago

孙兴斌

15.8k41644

By ch+1, the char ch will be promoted to int first, just like ((int)ch) + 1, so the result will be an int.

When you try assign an int(32 bit) back to a char(16 bit), it might loss accuracy, you need to do it explictly ch = (char)(ch + 1);

This is called Binary Numeric Promotion:

Binary numeric promotion is performed on the operands of certain
operators:

...

The addition and subtraction operators for numeric types + and - (§15.18.2)

and it will perform

Widening primitive conversion (§5.1.2) is applied to convert either or
both operands as specified by the following rules:

If either operand is of type double, the other is converted to double.

Otherwise, if either operand is of type float, the other is converted
to float.

Otherwise, if either operand is of type long, the other is converted
to long.

Otherwise, both operands are converted to type int.

edited 4 hours ago

answered 4 hours ago

孙兴斌

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edited 4 hours ago

answered 4 hours ago

孙兴斌

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answered 4 hours ago

孙兴斌

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answered 4 hours ago

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up vote
2
down vote

First of all, note that a char is 2 bytes large (16 bit), and an int is 32bit.

1. When typing ch++:

to apply the ++ operator, there is no type cast but the operator simply causes the bit represent of that char to increase by 1 to itself. Refer to JLS11 chapter 15.14.2,page 575:

The type of the postfix increment expression is the type of the variable.

2. When typing ch=ch+1:

edited 28 mins ago

answered 4 hours ago

ZhaoGang

958814

I did not understand the no. 1 point .if ch is casted into int when printing the value of ch after ch++; operation why it shows character instead of int.. Can You plz explain the first term details
– Tushar Mia
1 hour ago

1

[sorry for my bad English ] I mean : suppose at first I assign 'A' into ch .after I do the ch++; operation. here if ch would cast into int and then add value 1 . here corresponding Unicode value of A which is 65 then add 1 .total 66 so after when I perform the action System.out.print("character "+ch); it should show the output like this : character 66 . that all I understood from your second comment . the I asked you that why the output is character B if ch is casted into int then add int value 1
– Tushar Mia
30 mins ago

Thanks for pointing it out. Updated my post @Tushar Mia
– ZhaoGang
29 mins ago

what does it mean by ''the bit represent of that char"
– Tushar Mia
19 mins ago

By saying that I mean the value of that char, and that value is stored in the memory by a set of bits(16 bits)
– ZhaoGang
2 mins ago

|
show 1 more comment

up vote
2
down vote

First of all, note that a char is 2 bytes large (16 bit), and an int is 32bit.

1. When typing ch++:

to apply the ++ operator, there is no type cast but the operator simply causes the bit represent of that char to increase by 1 to itself. Refer to JLS11 chapter 15.14.2,page 575:

The type of the postfix increment expression is the type of the variable.

2. When typing ch=ch+1:

edited 28 mins ago

answered 4 hours ago

ZhaoGang

958814

I did not understand the no. 1 point .if ch is casted into int when printing the value of ch after ch++; operation why it shows character instead of int.. Can You plz explain the first term details
– Tushar Mia
1 hour ago

1

[sorry for my bad English ] I mean : suppose at first I assign 'A' into ch .after I do the ch++; operation. here if ch would cast into int and then add value 1 . here corresponding Unicode value of A which is 65 then add 1 .total 66 so after when I perform the action System.out.print("character "+ch); it should show the output like this : character 66 . that all I understood from your second comment . the I asked you that why the output is character B if ch is casted into int then add int value 1
– Tushar Mia
30 mins ago

Thanks for pointing it out. Updated my post @Tushar Mia
– ZhaoGang
29 mins ago

what does it mean by ''the bit represent of that char"
– Tushar Mia
19 mins ago

By saying that I mean the value of that char, and that value is stored in the memory by a set of bits(16 bits)
– ZhaoGang
2 mins ago

|
show 1 more comment

up vote
2
down vote

First of all, note that a char is 2 bytes large (16 bit), and an int is 32bit.

1. When typing ch++:

to apply the ++ operator, there is no type cast but the operator simply causes the bit represent of that char to increase by 1 to itself. Refer to JLS11 chapter 15.14.2,page 575:

The type of the postfix increment expression is the type of the variable.

2. When typing ch=ch+1:

edited 28 mins ago

answered 4 hours ago

ZhaoGang

958814

First of all, note that a char is 2 bytes large (16 bit), and an int is 32bit.

1. When typing ch++:

to apply the ++ operator, there is no type cast but the operator simply causes the bit represent of that char to increase by 1 to itself. Refer to JLS11 chapter 15.14.2,page 575:

The type of the postfix increment expression is the type of the variable.

2. When typing ch=ch+1:

edited 28 mins ago

answered 4 hours ago

ZhaoGang

958814

edited 28 mins ago

answered 4 hours ago

ZhaoGang

958814

answered 4 hours ago

ZhaoGang

958814

answered 4 hours ago

ZhaoGang

958814

I did not understand the no. 1 point .if ch is casted into int when printing the value of ch after ch++; operation why it shows character instead of int.. Can You plz explain the first term details
– Tushar Mia
1 hour ago

1

[sorry for my bad English ] I mean : suppose at first I assign 'A' into ch .after I do the ch++; operation. here if ch would cast into int and then add value 1 . here corresponding Unicode value of A which is 65 then add 1 .total 66 so after when I perform the action System.out.print("character "+ch); it should show the output like this : character 66 . that all I understood from your second comment . the I asked you that why the output is character B if ch is casted into int then add int value 1
– Tushar Mia
30 mins ago

Thanks for pointing it out. Updated my post @Tushar Mia
– ZhaoGang
29 mins ago

what does it mean by ''the bit represent of that char"
– Tushar Mia
19 mins ago

By saying that I mean the value of that char, and that value is stored in the memory by a set of bits(16 bits)
– ZhaoGang
2 mins ago

|
show 1 more comment

I did not understand the no. 1 point .if ch is casted into int when printing the value of ch after ch++; operation why it shows character instead of int.. Can You plz explain the first term details
– Tushar Mia
1 hour ago

1

[sorry for my bad English ] I mean : suppose at first I assign 'A' into ch .after I do the ch++; operation. here if ch would cast into int and then add value 1 . here corresponding Unicode value of A which is 65 then add 1 .total 66 so after when I perform the action System.out.print("character "+ch); it should show the output like this : character 66 . that all I understood from your second comment . the I asked you that why the output is character B if ch is casted into int then add int value 1
– Tushar Mia
30 mins ago

Thanks for pointing it out. Updated my post @Tushar Mia
– ZhaoGang
29 mins ago

what does it mean by ''the bit represent of that char"
– Tushar Mia
19 mins ago

By saying that I mean the value of that char, and that value is stored in the memory by a set of bits(16 bits)
– ZhaoGang
2 mins ago

I did not understand the no. 1 point .if ch is casted into int when printing the value of ch after ch++; operation why it shows character instead of int.. Can You plz explain the first term details
– Tushar Mia
1 hour ago

[sorry for my bad English ] I mean : suppose at first I assign 'A' into ch .after I do the ch++; operation. here if ch would cast into int and then add value 1 . here corresponding Unicode value of A which is 65 then add 1 .total 66 so after when I perform the action System.out.print("character "+ch); it should show the output like this : character 66 . that all I understood from your second comment . the I asked you that why the output is character B if ch is casted into int then add int value 1
– Tushar Mia
30 mins ago

Thanks for pointing it out. Updated my post @Tushar Mia
– ZhaoGang
29 mins ago

what does it mean by ''the bit represent of that char"
– Tushar Mia
19 mins ago

By saying that I mean the value of that char, and that value is stored in the memory by a set of bits(16 bits)
– ZhaoGang
2 mins ago

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