Gaseous metals?
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Metals form metallic bonds which explain many of their chemical and physical properties.
This is most familiar in the solid state but metallic properties are still quite recognizable in the liquid state e.g. mercury and molten iron.
However, gaseous metals are much less familiar and it is not obvious whether they would still have a distinct metallic behaviour. For example, is there a distinction between gas and plasma for a metal?
This article mentions that the metallic bond persists in the liquid state but says nothing about the gas state: Metallic bonding at Chemguide.
So, do metals retain any distinct metallic behaviour in the gas state?
Note that I am not asking only about the electrical properties. My main question is whether the gas consists of neutral atoms, small molecules, or positive ions in a sea of electrons?
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Metals form metallic bonds which explain many of their chemical and physical properties.
This is most familiar in the solid state but metallic properties are still quite recognizable in the liquid state e.g. mercury and molten iron.
However, gaseous metals are much less familiar and it is not obvious whether they would still have a distinct metallic behaviour. For example, is there a distinction between gas and plasma for a metal?
This article mentions that the metallic bond persists in the liquid state but says nothing about the gas state: Metallic bonding at Chemguide.
So, do metals retain any distinct metallic behaviour in the gas state?
Note that I am not asking only about the electrical properties. My main question is whether the gas consists of neutral atoms, small molecules, or positive ions in a sea of electrons?
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Possible duplicate of Structure of a metal in gas phase
– Mithoron
Nov 16 at 16:01
chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/4801/…
– Mithoron
Nov 16 at 16:01
Similar thing as chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/2511/…
– Mithoron
Nov 16 at 16:04
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Similar but not quite identical. That one seems to concentrate on conductivity whereas my question was more generic and not restricted to their electrical properties. Also, I have received which I will accept tomorrow unless an even better one comes along.
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Nov 16 at 16:09
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Metals form metallic bonds which explain many of their chemical and physical properties.
This is most familiar in the solid state but metallic properties are still quite recognizable in the liquid state e.g. mercury and molten iron.
However, gaseous metals are much less familiar and it is not obvious whether they would still have a distinct metallic behaviour. For example, is there a distinction between gas and plasma for a metal?
This article mentions that the metallic bond persists in the liquid state but says nothing about the gas state: Metallic bonding at Chemguide.
So, do metals retain any distinct metallic behaviour in the gas state?
Note that I am not asking only about the electrical properties. My main question is whether the gas consists of neutral atoms, small molecules, or positive ions in a sea of electrons?
metal gas-phase-chemistry
Metals form metallic bonds which explain many of their chemical and physical properties.
This is most familiar in the solid state but metallic properties are still quite recognizable in the liquid state e.g. mercury and molten iron.
However, gaseous metals are much less familiar and it is not obvious whether they would still have a distinct metallic behaviour. For example, is there a distinction between gas and plasma for a metal?
This article mentions that the metallic bond persists in the liquid state but says nothing about the gas state: Metallic bonding at Chemguide.
So, do metals retain any distinct metallic behaviour in the gas state?
Note that I am not asking only about the electrical properties. My main question is whether the gas consists of neutral atoms, small molecules, or positive ions in a sea of electrons?
metal gas-phase-chemistry
metal gas-phase-chemistry
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Possible duplicate of Structure of a metal in gas phase
– Mithoron
Nov 16 at 16:01
chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/4801/…
– Mithoron
Nov 16 at 16:01
Similar thing as chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/2511/…
– Mithoron
Nov 16 at 16:04
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Similar but not quite identical. That one seems to concentrate on conductivity whereas my question was more generic and not restricted to their electrical properties. Also, I have received which I will accept tomorrow unless an even better one comes along.
– badjohn
Nov 16 at 16:09
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Possible duplicate of Structure of a metal in gas phase
– Mithoron
Nov 16 at 16:01
chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/4801/…
– Mithoron
Nov 16 at 16:01
Similar thing as chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/2511/…
– Mithoron
Nov 16 at 16:04
1
Similar but not quite identical. That one seems to concentrate on conductivity whereas my question was more generic and not restricted to their electrical properties. Also, I have received which I will accept tomorrow unless an even better one comes along.
– badjohn
Nov 16 at 16:09
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Possible duplicate of Structure of a metal in gas phase
– Mithoron
Nov 16 at 16:01
Possible duplicate of Structure of a metal in gas phase
– Mithoron
Nov 16 at 16:01
chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/4801/…
– Mithoron
Nov 16 at 16:01
chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/4801/…
– Mithoron
Nov 16 at 16:01
Similar thing as chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/2511/…
– Mithoron
Nov 16 at 16:04
Similar thing as chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/2511/…
– Mithoron
Nov 16 at 16:04
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1
Similar but not quite identical. That one seems to concentrate on conductivity whereas my question was more generic and not restricted to their electrical properties. Also, I have received which I will accept tomorrow unless an even better one comes along.
– badjohn
Nov 16 at 16:09
Similar but not quite identical. That one seems to concentrate on conductivity whereas my question was more generic and not restricted to their electrical properties. Also, I have received which I will accept tomorrow unless an even better one comes along.
– badjohn
Nov 16 at 16:09
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No, gaseous metals do not retain metallic bonds, nor metallic conductivity, nor luster, nor any other metallic properties. They are no different from other gases. True, they typically require pretty high temperatures to form, but then again, they are hardly special in this regard, as many non-metallic substances require the same.
See, all metallic properties are in fact collective effects. They are caused by metallic bonding, and not just of two atoms, but of an entire piece of metal (like a thousand, only much more). You don't have bonding in gases. The particles (lone atoms in this case) are basically free to go. Maybe they bump into each other, two or three at a time, but definitely not a thousand.
Plasma is an entirely different thing, unrelated to your initial question. Yes, plasma is pretty different from a gas; to obtain it, you'll have to heat the gas until it ionizes.
So it goes.
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There could be molecules/small clusters, but that would not be enough for properties we'd recognize as metallic.
– Oscar Lanzi
Nov 16 at 12:12
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Thanks. I suspected something like that but wanted confirmation. So, we can have gaseous iron which is not a plasma? Just neutral iron atoms (or small clusters) rather ions in a sea of electrons.
– badjohn
Nov 16 at 12:19
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Yes we can.$,$
– Ivan Neretin
Nov 16 at 12:25
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No, gaseous metals do not retain metallic bonds, nor metallic conductivity, nor luster, nor any other metallic properties. They are no different from other gases. True, they typically require pretty high temperatures to form, but then again, they are hardly special in this regard, as many non-metallic substances require the same.
See, all metallic properties are in fact collective effects. They are caused by metallic bonding, and not just of two atoms, but of an entire piece of metal (like a thousand, only much more). You don't have bonding in gases. The particles (lone atoms in this case) are basically free to go. Maybe they bump into each other, two or three at a time, but definitely not a thousand.
Plasma is an entirely different thing, unrelated to your initial question. Yes, plasma is pretty different from a gas; to obtain it, you'll have to heat the gas until it ionizes.
So it goes.
2
There could be molecules/small clusters, but that would not be enough for properties we'd recognize as metallic.
– Oscar Lanzi
Nov 16 at 12:12
1
Thanks. I suspected something like that but wanted confirmation. So, we can have gaseous iron which is not a plasma? Just neutral iron atoms (or small clusters) rather ions in a sea of electrons.
– badjohn
Nov 16 at 12:19
1
Yes we can.$,$
– Ivan Neretin
Nov 16 at 12:25
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up vote
18
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No, gaseous metals do not retain metallic bonds, nor metallic conductivity, nor luster, nor any other metallic properties. They are no different from other gases. True, they typically require pretty high temperatures to form, but then again, they are hardly special in this regard, as many non-metallic substances require the same.
See, all metallic properties are in fact collective effects. They are caused by metallic bonding, and not just of two atoms, but of an entire piece of metal (like a thousand, only much more). You don't have bonding in gases. The particles (lone atoms in this case) are basically free to go. Maybe they bump into each other, two or three at a time, but definitely not a thousand.
Plasma is an entirely different thing, unrelated to your initial question. Yes, plasma is pretty different from a gas; to obtain it, you'll have to heat the gas until it ionizes.
So it goes.
2
There could be molecules/small clusters, but that would not be enough for properties we'd recognize as metallic.
– Oscar Lanzi
Nov 16 at 12:12
1
Thanks. I suspected something like that but wanted confirmation. So, we can have gaseous iron which is not a plasma? Just neutral iron atoms (or small clusters) rather ions in a sea of electrons.
– badjohn
Nov 16 at 12:19
1
Yes we can.$,$
– Ivan Neretin
Nov 16 at 12:25
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up vote
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up vote
18
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No, gaseous metals do not retain metallic bonds, nor metallic conductivity, nor luster, nor any other metallic properties. They are no different from other gases. True, they typically require pretty high temperatures to form, but then again, they are hardly special in this regard, as many non-metallic substances require the same.
See, all metallic properties are in fact collective effects. They are caused by metallic bonding, and not just of two atoms, but of an entire piece of metal (like a thousand, only much more). You don't have bonding in gases. The particles (lone atoms in this case) are basically free to go. Maybe they bump into each other, two or three at a time, but definitely not a thousand.
Plasma is an entirely different thing, unrelated to your initial question. Yes, plasma is pretty different from a gas; to obtain it, you'll have to heat the gas until it ionizes.
So it goes.
No, gaseous metals do not retain metallic bonds, nor metallic conductivity, nor luster, nor any other metallic properties. They are no different from other gases. True, they typically require pretty high temperatures to form, but then again, they are hardly special in this regard, as many non-metallic substances require the same.
See, all metallic properties are in fact collective effects. They are caused by metallic bonding, and not just of two atoms, but of an entire piece of metal (like a thousand, only much more). You don't have bonding in gases. The particles (lone atoms in this case) are basically free to go. Maybe they bump into each other, two or three at a time, but definitely not a thousand.
Plasma is an entirely different thing, unrelated to your initial question. Yes, plasma is pretty different from a gas; to obtain it, you'll have to heat the gas until it ionizes.
So it goes.
edited Nov 16 at 12:13
answered Nov 16 at 12:03
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There could be molecules/small clusters, but that would not be enough for properties we'd recognize as metallic.
– Oscar Lanzi
Nov 16 at 12:12
1
Thanks. I suspected something like that but wanted confirmation. So, we can have gaseous iron which is not a plasma? Just neutral iron atoms (or small clusters) rather ions in a sea of electrons.
– badjohn
Nov 16 at 12:19
1
Yes we can.$,$
– Ivan Neretin
Nov 16 at 12:25
add a comment |
2
There could be molecules/small clusters, but that would not be enough for properties we'd recognize as metallic.
– Oscar Lanzi
Nov 16 at 12:12
1
Thanks. I suspected something like that but wanted confirmation. So, we can have gaseous iron which is not a plasma? Just neutral iron atoms (or small clusters) rather ions in a sea of electrons.
– badjohn
Nov 16 at 12:19
1
Yes we can.$,$
– Ivan Neretin
Nov 16 at 12:25
2
2
There could be molecules/small clusters, but that would not be enough for properties we'd recognize as metallic.
– Oscar Lanzi
Nov 16 at 12:12
There could be molecules/small clusters, but that would not be enough for properties we'd recognize as metallic.
– Oscar Lanzi
Nov 16 at 12:12
1
1
Thanks. I suspected something like that but wanted confirmation. So, we can have gaseous iron which is not a plasma? Just neutral iron atoms (or small clusters) rather ions in a sea of electrons.
– badjohn
Nov 16 at 12:19
Thanks. I suspected something like that but wanted confirmation. So, we can have gaseous iron which is not a plasma? Just neutral iron atoms (or small clusters) rather ions in a sea of electrons.
– badjohn
Nov 16 at 12:19
1
1
Yes we can.$,$
– Ivan Neretin
Nov 16 at 12:25
Yes we can.$,$
– Ivan Neretin
Nov 16 at 12:25
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Possible duplicate of Structure of a metal in gas phase
– Mithoron
Nov 16 at 16:01
chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/4801/…
– Mithoron
Nov 16 at 16:01
Similar thing as chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/2511/…
– Mithoron
Nov 16 at 16:04
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Similar but not quite identical. That one seems to concentrate on conductivity whereas my question was more generic and not restricted to their electrical properties. Also, I have received which I will accept tomorrow unless an even better one comes along.
– badjohn
Nov 16 at 16:09